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If these are the end-time signs, then the end times should have occurred thousands of years ago, because people have always been like this.

I'm liking Satan more and more each day! Lefthanders unite!

Lol. You expect to convince an atheist with that story?

In any case if his god is that powerful why even bother with a car. Believers can just pray and this god will just move them through the air to wherever they want to go. It would save paying for airplane tickets and bus fares.

Wouldn't that get boring after some time? Imagine doing that for all eternity. I'd like some challenges, something different, etc.

Hell would be better because at least there are a wide variety of tortures instead of just one thing.

fifa456n:
Do any of us really lift?

I suppose I could say I lift, in a symbolic sense. But as a Resident Official Atheist, I just want to make sure you are atheisting properly.

fifa456n:
I don't browse the religion section, so i don't know about the atheists. Why are you asking?

You said I could ask you anything. Bro, do you even lift?

As far as I know there are churches in Kuwait and Christians may practice.

Have you seen all the atheists that are now active on the religion section?

Mutabaruka--Jamaican social commentator and musician.

JMAN05:
Shut shut shut up, go and burn the shrine of known traditional deity. If u survive, then i will believe it when u say nothing supernatural is there. Keep lying to ur head. Atheist for mouth.

I am not telling you about my cousin for u to believe, I know who I am and what i ve seen. I know of a pastor who burned the village deity to liberate his Dad who served the god. No one told him to immediately come and rebuild it. He never slept until he did it. So show ur belief by ur action. Stop deceiving people of what u dont really believe is true.

Do not accept that story if u wish, after all u never saw any. However, I that saw and heard, wont foolishly believe those lies of u guys.

I will not destroy someone else's property to prove a point unless they ask me to. However I can assure you that I have tried all kinds of blasphemy and nothing happened. You are free to believe or not.

Tjayjosh:
The most difficult thing abou the christian concept of
the Trinity is that there is no way
to perfectly and completely
understand it. The Trinity is a
concept that is impossible for
any human being to fully
understand, let alone explain.
God is infinitely greater than we
are; therefore, we should not
expect to be able to fully
understand Him. The Bible
teaches that the Father is God,
that Jesus is God, and that the
Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also
teaches that there is only one
God. Though we can understand
some facts about the relationship
of the different Persons of the
Trinity to one another, ultimately,
it is incomprehensible to the
human mind. However, this does
not mean the Trinity is not true
or that it is not based on the
teachings of the Bible.
The Trinity is one God existing in
three Persons. Understand that
this is not in any way suggesting
three Gods. Keep in mind when
studying this subject that the
word “Trinity” is not found in
Scripture. This is a term that is
used to attempt to describe the
triune God—three coexistent, co-
eternal Persons who make up
God. Of real importance is that
the concept represented by the
word “Trinity” does exist in
Scripture. The following is what
God’s Word says about the
Trinity:
1) There is one God
( Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians
8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy
2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three
Persons ( Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22;
11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1;
Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2
Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis
1:1, the Hebrew plural noun
"Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26,
3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the
plural pronoun for “us” is used.
The word "Elohim" and the
pronoun “us” are plural forms,
definitely referring in the Hebrew
language to more than two.
While this is not an explicit
argument for the Trinity, it does
denote the aspect of plurality in
God. The Hebrew word for "God,"
"Elohim," definitely allows for the
Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son
is speaking while making
reference to the Father and the
Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1
to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is
the Son speaking. Matthew
3:16-17 describes the event of
Jesus' baptism. Seen in this
passage is God the Holy Spirit
descending on God the Son while
God the Father proclaims His
pleasure in the Son. Matthew
28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14
are examples of three distinct
Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are
distinguished one from another
in various passages. In the Old
Testament, “LORD” is
distinguished from
“Lord” ( Genesis 19:24; Hosea
1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm
2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The
Spirit is distinguished from the
“LORD” ( Numbers 27:18) and
from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12).
God the Son is distinguished
from God the Father ( Psalm
45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the
New Testament, Jesus speaks to
the Father about sending a
Helper, the Holy Spirit ( John
14:16-17). This shows that Jesus
did not consider Himself to be
the Father or the Holy Spirit.
Consider also all the other times
in the Gospels where Jesus
speaks to the Father. Was He
speaking to Himself? No. He
spoke to another Person in the
Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is
God. The Father is God ( John
6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2).
The Son is God (John 1:1, 14;
Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9;
Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The
Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1
Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within
the Trinity. Scripture shows that
the Holy Spirit is subordinate to
the Father and the Son, and the
Son is subordinate to the Father.
This is an internal relationship
and does not deny the deity of
any Person of the Trinity. This is
simply an area which our finite
minds cannot understand
concerning the infinite God.
Concerning the Son see Luke
22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21,
and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the
Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26,
15:26, 16:7, and especially John
16:13-14.

Starting a thread about atheists and then quoting the Bible at us is a big waste of time. Why would you try and prove the Trinity to people who don't believe in god in the first place?

We know the Bible is man-made and nothing more than a collection of tales and myths. If you want to have a philosophical discussion, fine, but leave the Bible out of it, otherwise I'll start putting up atheist memes.

Atlantian:
I am a Pantheist. I was atheist for a decade, but after researches and mystical experiences, I continued my quest for Godism, Pantheism is the ultimate absolutism.

I am atheist, but pantheism is probably the only theological belief in god that I don't have any philosophical problem with (along with panentheism, essentially Spinoza's god).

I don't think that she actually believes that this god exists; she is just showing that this god, if it existed, could not be considered 'good' by any moral standard.

I agree and she has my total support.

It has not been difficult for me telling people I am atheist because people who know me already know that I think in ways that are not typical. It's almost like they expect me not to be religious. And in addition I tend to attract people who are ok with unusual thought processes; people with very conventional thinking would be put off by what I say long before they know I'm atheist. At my job this is also not a problem because I work in an academic setting with some other free-thinkers.

And sometimes you meet people by chance who are kind of like you. This past week I was talking with some people at the beach (in West Africa but not Nigeria) and one of them asked me my religion. I said none and that I don't believe in god. One of them asked me what I believe in. I said 'myself'. One of them gave me the thumbs-up and said, 'that's a good response.'

The OP gives good advice. Don't belittle people or put them on the defensive. Sometimes this is difficult because by declaring yourself an atheist, you are indirectly saying that the time they spend in church or praying or fasting is all useless and that they have wasted a lot of time, which can be difficult to accept given how much religion can be a part of someone's identity.

Tjayjosh:
an official atheism website,

no such thing exists. Atheism is not an organization with recognized officials.

but they also show an alarming increase among those who once held to some form of faith. When we hear of a prominent figure in Christianity renouncing the faith he or she used to claim, we are left
wondering, “Why?” Why would so many people stop believing in God when His handiwork is everywhere ( Psalm 19:1; 97:6;
Romans 1:20)? Every culture on earth recognizes some form of deity, so why are so many people claiming they do not believe in
any god at all?

Many of us are now simply declaring outwardly what we have believed for a long time. The internet has helped.

There are several reasons people may define themselves as
atheists. The first is ignorance. Due to lack of correct information, a person may conclude that nothing exists beyond this universe and man’s experience of it. Since there remains a great deal we do not
know, ignorance often invents ideas to fill in the blanks. This
often results in either false religions or atheism. Sketchy information about
God is often tainted by mythology or religious superstition to the extent that
anything supernatural sounds like a fairy tale. Exposed to a mishmash of confusing claims, some people decide there is no truth to any of it and throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Disillusionment is another reason some
people become atheists. Due to negative experiences,
such as having a prayer go unanswerd or seeing hypocritical behaviour in others, a
person may conclude that God does not exist. This response is often fueled by anger or hurt. These people reason that, if God
existed, He would behave in ways they could comprehend or
agree with. Since He did not respond the way they wanted
Him to, they conclude that He must not exist at all. They may stumble over complicated concepts such as hell, Old
Testament genocide, or eternity and conclude the God of the Bible is too confusing to be real.
Disillusionment propels people to find
comfort in what is seen and known, rather than an invisible diety. To avoid the possibility of more disappointment, they
abandon any attempt at faith and find a measure of comfort in
deciding that God simply does not exist.

The writer is correct but in the wrong way. The reasons he gives are actually very valid reasons to be atheist (lack of evidence, the mishmash of vague and contradictory religious texts, and failure of gods to respond to peoples' needs).

True atheists
would not include this group [those angry with god] in their numbers, as they recognize that to be angry with God is to
acknowledge His existence. Still typing...

You are correct. They are not atheists. However we can be angry at the people who use this god to control, manipulate, and poison the minds of other people.

JMAN05:
My cousin is. He behaves like a beast. He can kill at the slightest provocation. But he still fears the village deity.

Just tell him u will go to the chief priest to cast a spell on him, he will go begging. That's why I said that not all are atheists. In short MOST nigerian 'atheists' are hypocrites. They shud not be taken serious.

Are u guys not fooling ueselves then? Rubbish! i don't get deceived that way. U guys are hypocrites. Subverting other people's faith when u are not even serious

Most of what you wrote is just unsubstantiated claims, misguided accusations, and empty rhetoric.

If your cousin is an atheist, he would not hesitate to challenge the village deity. I have deliberately blasphemed the major deities, including Yahweh, Allah, and traditional gods without any problems.

And, yes, I enjoy subverting people's faith because I think that faith is a harmful quality to have. I don't like seeing people manipulated by various religions and religious figures on the basis of zero evidence. I will continue to do it.

JMAN05:
Well my God doesn't support that. His standards is not uttered by humans, even if someone twist a scripture to support his behavior, that hasn't changed Gods standards. In short, that one makes his condition worse. It is not all request for forgiveness that God admits. Those who embark on a deliberate sin, thinking that they can always ask for forgiveness is deceiving their minds. 2pet. 2:20-21

Irrelevant to Christians because all you need is faith in Jesus to be forgiven, regardless of what you do or how many times you do it. At least that is standard Protestant belief.

So, if I am an atheist, I can freely kill u and ur family without any need for forgiveness. I ll do what I view as right. However, true xtianity doesn't allow for such.

No true xtian engages in immorality and views his actions as good. But many embrace atheism to satisfy there fleshly desires, in short, they become slaves to there desires. That's anything but freedom.

You forget that atheists experience empathy and compassion and guilt to the same extent that believers do. But, no, we aren't slaves to some cosmic guilt by some inscrutable god. And I guarantee you that my personal life is far more disciplined than that of most Christians, not because I fear punishment but because there are a lot of things I don't really enjoy doing that many Christians consider sinful.

In any case, a 'true' Christian is whatever you decide him to be. I can say that no 'true' atheist would steal.

It is not that all atheists truly believe that God does not exist, no, but they want to be authority to themselves, and end up being slaves. Commit immorality non-stop, view porn, rape, etc.

Lol if only you actually knew any atheists.

In fact, When u guys grow up, u come to terms with reality.

I am more than 40 years old. What now?

frosbel2:
1. Mass Murder
- When a Muslim commits mass murder it is equated to terrorism
- When a non-Muslim commits mass murder is it is called a chance act or one off

Depends on what happened. If it were a Christian or Jewish or atheist group who organized and carried out attacks based on a belief in some ideology, that would be terrorism. An individual who does it could be a terrorist depending on his or her motivations. Someone who just goes into a theater and starts shooting for no ideological reason, that is not terrorism. If they are motivated by an ideology, that would be terrorism. In some cases they are already disturbed and ideology pushes them over the edge. No doubt that in the past 30 years, Islam has been associated with terrorism to a greater extent than other religions or ideologies, and that association is justified based on the sheer number of organized attacks in the name of said religion compared with others. The attack made by Jewish extremists in Israel on Palestinians last week was characterized as terrorist even by Israel.

2. Doing Good
- When a Muslim does good it is called a rare occurrence
- When a non-Muslim does good it is considered to be the norm.

Atheists have the same problem. Religious people (even Muslims) think that we are atheists only because we want to to bad things.

3. Abuse and insults.
- When a Muslim reacts angrily to provocative comments he is called aggressive and violent
- But when non-Muslims insult , mock , curse and abuse Muslims it is generally ignored and considered fair game.

Can you demonstrate a clear pattern of this? I don't see it. Where is this taking place?

4. Jerusalem
- When the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, they made everyone live together in some form of peace even though they had their fair share of killing.
- But when the Crusaders invaded Jerusalem they killed almost everyone who disagreed with them inclining Jews, Muslims, women and and children.

The Crusaders were evil people who were motivated by religious fervor. No argument from me there.

It's a decent article in some respects but predictably stupid in other aspects. In fact I just talked to someone today who I thought was Muslim because I know his parents are. He told me he does not believe in god.

http://www.islam21c.com/theology/apostasy-a-ticking-time-bomb/

sonmvayina:
they mastabate in the bathroom...where nobody willl find out.

I assume Jesus did the same, or else he had a lover.

mrnigeria:
Not everyone is a jobless atheist seeking revenge on God.

Am an atheist but I have to admit you made me laugh with that.

JMAN05:
That's my point, u can indulge in immorality since ur standard dont view it as wrong. Humans having great stress in combating there desires, will quickly delve into those desires without feeling they ve wrong a Supreme Being.

Many embrace atheism to have moral independence. That is Satan's aim.

You can indulge in immorality too and just pray for forgiveness, or even worse, find a religious justification for this behavior. Many people have happily killed other people because they believed that it is what their god wanted.

tombravo:
I didnt give a straight reply hanh's question cos ion wanna be taken as a discriminator.

But isn't the Great Commission part of your obligation to spread True Christianity? Why would you choose to hide this information?

mranswer:
The Quran explicitly forbids killing. Whosoever kills a human being for Murder or Creating Mischief in the Land, it is as if he had killed the whole of Human Kind and whoso saved the life of one as if he has saved the life of all Mankind The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 5, Verse 12

It's actually Quran 5:32, and it's a bit different than what you wrote.

"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely."

The problem with this is that the phrase 'corruption done in the land' is so broad and vague that Boko Haram can use this verse to attack even other Muslims by simply claiming that these other Muslims are spreading corruption in the land and may be killed. So this verse actually serves the terrorists' interests.

tombravo:
It's not mine to say

lol so your god is playing games with you. Is he a child?

Prayer is useless. Training and equipment are what matter.

Nice write-up johnydon22. I think that this (showing the absurdity of such a god) is one of the best ways to reach people who may be wondering about their own beliefs. Hard-core religionists are not going to change their minds with this post and I don't think that this is for them.

Another avenue of attack is continuing to show the errors in the so-called holy scriptures. This is actually where it is easier to attack Islam than Christianity because the Christians recognize that human hands were involved in writing the Bible, and so they can dismiss such errors while concentrating on the message. Muslims have to deal with the fact that the Quran is the direct literal word of Allah, and so any error brings down the whole structure--and there are a lot of them. Not that they don't have their own propaganda machine to counter such criticism.

Ultimately, by referring to the idea that this life is a test which is why bad things happen to good people and why god doesn't reveal himself, religionists fall into their own trap. Maybe this life is a test and god wants us to figure out that religions are man-made, and only those who figure it out get the ultimate reward (though the idea of sending religionists to hell would be a repulsive idea which any self-respecting atheist or agnostic or deist would not wish upon them).

And of course continued use of clever memes are good because there are many people who won't read more than two or three sentences and would skip right over much of what you wrote.

Abraham: "Yahweh told me to kill my son, then he was like 'lol just a joke, now go cut off part of your penis, lol no joke'".
@yahweh are you mad?

Moses: Talked to a burning bush yesterday. The bush answered back. I need to cut back on the weed.

Yahweh: This is a reminder to all my followers to tell me how great I am EVERY SINGLE DAY. #justgodthings

I think it's a pretty cool statue. You do realize that the people who created it are atheists who don't actually believe in Satan but just want to demonstrate that all religious beliefs must be tolerated in the US.

JMAN05:
Do u believe u ever sin? Do u live by Gods standard? Keep being a slave to ur desires.

The idea of sin is a man-made concept. I do not believe in sin. I do not believe in god so there is no divine standard.

I set my own standards for behavior based upon what I believe to be good and bad.

One of my friends is a former muslim (his family does not know this and are still muslims) and he smokes weed with the guy who gives the call to prayer in his neighborhood mosque. In addition, the imam of the same mosque comes to have sex with my friend's 70 year old auntie who stays in his house.

Hypocrisy rules the religious world.

Muslims believe that the language of heaven is Arabic. No joke.