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 Christianity Etc › Re: I Need advice. Please Hear This Story... FOR BELIEVERS AND NON BELIEVERS by onetrack(m): 1:14pm On Sep 27, 2013 |
Atheist here, a former Christian but never really believed in it. Brainwashing is a powerful thing to get rid of, especially when the brainwashers claim that their path is the only way to prevent an All-Merciful, All-loving God from throwing you into a giant fire for eternity along with most of the rest of humanity. Religion poisons everything, as Christopher Hitchens said. All because they make claims about your soul's destiny, and they are unable to prove those claims. The god of the Bible and Quran is much too human, to emotional, too jealous, too self-centered, too capricious, and frankly too much of a psychopath to be respected, let alone be worshiped. My conclusion was that religion was man-made, mainly for the benefit of the rich and powerful. Christian and Muslim slave owners always made sure to tell their slaves that god wanted the slaves to obey their masters and to never revolt against them (otherwise they would go to hell), that way the slaves would generally behave. Religion: I say no thanks Whether a god exists or not I don't know, but certainly he can't resemble anything like the way he is describes in 'holy' books. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Atheist Can Never Be Morally Perfect by onetrack(m): 1:02pm On Sep 27, 2013 |
Rhymeyjohn: Moral perfectness is define by God's rule in the bible..Stopped reading right there. What follows can only be rubbish. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims Are Not Terrorist! by onetrack(m): 12:58pm On Sep 27, 2013 |
I agree that most Muslims are peaceful people. However, there are ample verses in the Quran and hadiths which are not taken out of context and clearly indicate that using violence in some form is an acceptable means of achieving goals in Islam. Muhammad and all of his companions were warriors who participated in a number of battles. If one is a Muslim, one must follow the teachings and actions of Muhammad. That is why these jihadi groups exist. If you want to know about the TRUE religion of peace, then look at Jainism. See if you can name the number of battles that Jains have participated in over the last 2500 years. Ironically, Jains do not have any particular belief in a particular god nor any recognized religious leaders. Coincidence? I think not. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims Are Not Terrorist! by onetrack(m): 9:52pm On Sep 26, 2013 |
Owo Lee: Muslims are not terrorist, this is challenge facing everybody including the muslims...islam is peace!"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." --Quran 2:216 "It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite. " --Sahih Muslim 2:4696 |
| Islam › Re: Does The Quran Realy States That Muslims Should Not Hav Pity On Non Muslims? by onetrack(m): 1:31pm On Sep 26, 2013 |
Judge for yourself: "Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." --Sahih Bukhari 4:52:256 "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. " --Quran 9:5 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would There Be Peace In The World If Everyone Became A Muslim? by onetrack(m): 12:59pm On Sep 24, 2013 |
There is no way to end violence completely. However, among religions, only the Jainism can really claim to have had a virtual unbroken string of non-violence as a religious doctrine. Plus a few Christian sects like the Quakers and Mennonites though they are much newer than Jainism. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 9:40pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
donroxy: Moses made Abraham Up, Jesus made Moses Up and Mohammed made Jesus Up !!!Don't forget I'm an atheist! I don't believe any of it. They are all charlatans: Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Baha'ullah. What you theists want to argue about does not really affect me. I find it ridiculous that some god whispered into the ears of certain people called 'prophets' who then tried to convince people that they weren't hallucinating! Besides, read the Quran sometime. It's boring, poorly organized, and portrays a vicious, temperamental god who certainly has serious mental issues and needs to get help!!  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 11:06pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
Zarian5: “There are errors, contradictions, and indecency in the Quran as well.”Oh but there were different versions in each city, though the differences may have been minor, nonetheless they were different enough that Uthman made sure that all versions other than the official version were destroyed. Some Quranic scholars even suggest that edits can be found in the fact that in certain areas the rhyme scheme is very uneven as if a 'cut and paste' was made (I of course cannot read Arabic so who knows). Remember that sura al-kafiroun was abrogated by sura 9 (al-tawbah) which was the second to last to be given by Muhammad: Quran 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." You will see that the surahs given while Muhammad was powerless in Mecca are much nicer and accommodating towards others, while as soon as he comes to power in Medina the surahs become much more aggressive and arrogant towards non-believers. While he might have started out as well-meaning, he clearly became corrupted by the power that he achieved, as evidenced by his assassinations of his critics. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 10:22pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
donroxy: That is why I use to call U puffpuff brain On the ''Prove the existence of God's'' thread simply because among all the atheists there U are the most dull and quickly jumped into conclusions without confirming the veracity of your claims!!!Maybe that "Comforter" in the Bible referred to someone else and not Muhammad. In any case it's all made up anyway, you can read into it whatever you want. Insult me all you like, you bring zero proof for your religion apart from your own Quran, which is just an example of circular logic. Muhammad just borrowed some things from Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Arab paganism to construct his own religion. Nothing divine about that. Nowhere did you 'negate' Baha'ullah. The Baha'i accept Muhammad as the 'seal of the prophets' but not the last messenger, which to them is Baha'ullah. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 9:47pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
donroxy: U are not an Atheist but a confused fellow cuz U shouldn't even think in affirmative towards what U considered its focal point which is God not exististing !!!I am not a Baha'i, and I am not qualified to give an answer to your questions. However, you can be sure that Muhammad's coming is not predicted in the Bible either, in spite of some extremely vague verses that some like to say refer to Muhammad. Maybe those verses refer to Baha'ullah instead and Muhammad is a false prophet! All religion is man-made and arguing over which prophet is real is like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. And I assure you that, yes, I am indeed an atheist. Though I do like the fact that Baha'ullah forbid all slavery, declared women to be religiously and legally equal to men, and called on all people to be environmentalists. He also allowed his followers to eat pork and to make music, and said that women no longer have to cover their hair. Not bad for someone in the mid-1800s... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 9:20pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
Zarian5: Assuming you choose Baha'i Faith or Mormon now because you feel they ‘suit’ the 21st more than the others. What if tomorrow another guy claims inspiration and started another ‘nice’ religion, will you then drop Baha'i and follow him?Why not? That's how all religions start. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 9:00pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
Zarian5: . Why are there so many contradictions, inconsistencies and even indecency in the Bible if it is the ‘word of God’? Do we attribute all these errors to God? We all know God is perfect, so why can't His perfection reflect in a Book that supposedly came from Him?There are errors, contradictions, and indecency in the Quran as well. In addition, there were, at one time, 7 different versions of the Quran before Uthman ordered one version to be made and the others destroyed. Even today there is some difference in modern Qurans over the placement of the diacritical marks over the words. In any case I have read most of the Quran, and frankly I find it to be, above all, boring and repetitive. In addition, in terms of organization, there is almost none. There is nothing about the Bible or Quran which would lead me to conclude that they are of divine origin. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: MEME ZONE: Atheists Let's Unwind by onetrack(m): 8:21pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
donroxy: Wrong , this is all wrong !!!Admit it, you laughed at some of them!  1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Right, Christians or Muslims? A Discussion. by onetrack(m): 8:16pm On Sep 22, 2013 |
donroxy: Yes,And the very same could apply to Muslims with regard to the Baha'i or Mormon scriptures, which also see themselves as updates on the monotheistic tradition after the Quran. In fact, though I'm atheist, I think that the Baha'i beliefs are far more appropriate to the modern era than the Islamic ones. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Hangout- UPDATE (Atheist Sermon- THE STORY OF GALLORAN) by onetrack(m): 9:13am On Sep 22, 2013 |
Thanks for the sermon. Here I am at St. Mattress as I am every Sunday. I will give a tithe, it is made out of the same substance as god.  3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Renounce Atheism And Agnosticism!!! by onetrack(m): 8:42am On Sep 21, 2013 |
I don't have anything against (most) believers in god, after all I'm in an an environment where 99% of the people are believers. I'm just not one of them. I just hope your new-found god isn't a bipolar psychopath like some others that come very quickly to mind. Good luck. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: To The Atheists Here...God Is More Than Real(my Story) by onetrack(m): 8:38am On Sep 21, 2013 |
You have fallen victim to the fallacy known as illusory correlation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_correlation Unfortunately it is the cause of much of the world's superstition. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are There Professions That Will Make You More Likely To Be An Atheist? by onetrack(m): 5:45pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Historians also can be prone to be non-believers; they see that patterns of history show no clear link with any people to god. Also they know that historical claims can be greatly exaggerated or falsified, and that the ruling classes have always used religion to control others. Psychologists as well. They can identify techniques used by people to control other people, and can spot these techniques being used by religions and religious people. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Rots The Brain? Nigerian Physicist Proves Hom.osexuality Abnormal...... by onetrack(m): 10:20am On Sep 18, 2013 |
wiegraf: So, does religion ultimately poison everything? Can anyone show an activity or objective, deemed positive, can anyone show a positive objective which cannot be obtained without religion? Can anyone show an activity that only religion can enhance?Depends on what you mean by positive and who perceives it as such. Religion enhances a king/dictator's ability to keep himself in power by convincing people that he is there by the grace of god. Religion enhances a soldier's ability to charge off into battle knowing that death means a trip to 'heaven' Religion enhances a terrorist's ability to set off a bomb strapped to himself and thereby be with many virgins. Religion enhances a person's ability to convince people to give them free money by promising them a path to heaven that they cannot even prove exists. So as you see religion enhances many activities deemed positive.  1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 10:08am On Sep 18, 2013 |
Ray McBlue: What do coconut and homosexualism have in common?Irrelevant. I find it disgusting. That's all that matters. But it doesn't bother me that others eat it. Ray McBlue: Are you now equating Airplanes with Homo? Another bad comparison, let me tell you why.Much of morality is subjective, the same as my dislike of coconut. Whether airplanes are useful or not is not the argument I'm making. I'm saying that flying is unnatural, otherwise we would have wings. In any case every single human being has one 'anomaly' or another. If we look at your genes we will certainly find some mutations which the vast majority of people do not have. And the same is true for everyone. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 8:50pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Ray McBlue: That's all I needed to hear. By that statement, you just admitted that it's morally wrong to be gay. That is your initial sentiment. You may make peace with it as time goes on, but sub consciously, you detest it.Years of indoctrination have taken its toll on me. However I believe that there is a biochemical and/or genetic basis for se.xual orientation and so I accept and support that homosexuals should have equal rights (as well as transvestites and transgendered people even though I find it really weird). But make no mistake: I do not hate homosexuals. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 8:35pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Ray McBlue: Let's be honest now, assuming that your kid's gay, what will be your initial reaction?Initially, disappointment of course. Also concern for their future. However, I would accept it and love them unconditionally. Unlike some heads of household, I would not kick them out of the house or family. I find that frankly the sign of bad parenting more than a kid turning out gay, which does have some biological bases. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 7:58pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Ray McBlue: So, what's your point. Are you for or against homosexualism?It's none of my business. Let them live their lives. It's not the government's business either. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 7:47pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
I look at it this way: Even if I find the homosexual act personally disgusting, why should I want it outlawed and persecuted? I also think that coconut is disgusting and I don't understand how anyone can eat the stuff. But I don't want eating coconut to be outlawed, since someone eating coconut does not break my arm or pick my pocket. To those who say it is unnatural: flying in a pressurized metal tube traveling at 900 km/h at 10 km in the sky is also not a natural circumstance for human beings. Why not go to the airports in Lagos and Abuja and arrest all the arriving passengers for committing an unnatural act? I know that some will say that humans flying is not unnatural since it does not break the laws of physics. Well, neither does gay activity. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 7:42pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Ray McBlue: It's debatable. Some agreed with you while some don't, I stick with the later.Are you against all anomalies then? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Manfrommars Chronicles 1 by onetrack(m): 9:19pm On Sep 16, 2013 |
aManFromMars: I've been researching pantheism, and it seems that it's at the very core of Hinduism, buddhism and most pagan religions..Pantheism or panentheism are the only types of divine existence that I don't argue against. I have no particular belief in them (hence atheist) but I accept the possibility of a creator. The 'problem' with Hinduism is its complete flexibility. It's basically a do-it-yourself religion with a few suggested tools like the Vedas and Upanishads. So there are literally thousands of completely different Hinduisms, not all of which are benign. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Case For Homosexuality? by onetrack(m): 9:09pm On Sep 16, 2013 |
bolaino: Amanfrommars, I want u to know that u're a very intelligent man, and I respect your posts, nicely written, it's high time we address this homophobia all around us, what is it about gay men that scares most guys. I'm not gay, I'm straight, I too like women to be gay, lol.Non-gay atheist male here. Not homophobic either. You know what I think? Many straight men don't like homosexuals because the straight men don't want to be looked at in the same way that they themselves look at women. They don't want unwelcome lustful looks from people they aren't interested in (which is exactly what we tend do to women). Hypocrisy. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Did We Have Different Human Races According To Christianity, Islam, Science? by onetrack(m): 9:03pm On Sep 16, 2013 |
Atheist here. Skin color is an adaptation to the intensity of sunlight (NOT hot or cold temperatures). Unlike some mythology that is being spread in this thread, skin color is not a matter of white skin being 'recessive' and black being 'dominant' in terms of genes. Skin color is due to a combination of genes (and most likely epigenetics as well). Everyone who has been around mixed-race children knows that the child virtually always comes out with a skin color somewhere in between that of their parents. If skin color were as simple as a dominant and recessive gene then there would only be two skin colors (black as coal and white as snow) and nothing in between. Put a group of white people in the equator region of Africa living a hunter gatherer lifestyle for a few thousand years and their descendants will be noticeably darker, as lighter skinned people would be eliminated over time by skin cancer, sun poisoning, and the like, leaving only the darker skinned people in the group (there is variation in skin tone even among the Swedes). Repeat this multiple generations and the people will slowly get darker. Put a group of Africans in northern Europe living a hunter gatherer lifestyle and their descendants will get slowly lighter with each passing generation as people with the darkest skin would have the highest chance of severe vitamin D deficiency which is produced by direct exposure to sunlight, and dark skin in an area with lots of cloudy days and long winter nights increases the chance of developing rickets in children. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Err When Asking For Material Evidence To Prove God's Existence by onetrack(m): 4:00pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
tobechi20: Atheists often ask for evidence to prove that Godexists. They say they want tangible, testable evidence that can be verified via the scientific method.Therefore, god can be Zeus, Odin, Olodumare, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists When Are Yall Going To Step Your Game Up by onetrack(m): 2:13pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
obadiah777: yeah believing you emerged from primordial soup and you are related to the spaghetti monster is much more grown up smdhOf course you know that the flying spaghetti monster is a parody. No one actually believes in it. As far as life emerging from primordial oceans, well there is a clear scientific basis for this. Most atheists will say that they cannot disprove some higher force was behind it (we are actually just a form of agnostics); however we reject the idea that this force acts on earth in any provable form and we reject religion as being of divine origin. Like I've said elsewhere, if you want to say that Spinosa's god exists, well, I have no argument against it, and frankly there does not presently exist a way to disprove Spinosa's god; but I do not accept the existence of a god like Yahweh or Allah. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists When Are Yall Going To Step Your Game Up by onetrack(m): 1:59pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
I think St. Paul is appropriate here: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." Could there be any clearer reason why I left religion? Imaginary friends (even if cruel, capricious, and deceitful ones like Yahweh and Allah) should have no place in the life of adults. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists When Are Yall Going To Step Your Game Up by onetrack(m): 12:19pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
obadiah777: yeah when pigs fly. what a majestic day that will be 1 Like
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