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papindinho: Subhana lah amon yusrikhun....... Glory be to God (Allah) who forbids the worship of god(s) and other related objects.

La illaha!

Emusan: I didn't proclaim any god but God Almighty the maker of Heaven and Earth.
Nobody can do without FAITH.
Before you accept those scientific method you must put your faith on them.

That's why God said "without FAITH noone can please Him"

Then you're not ready to see God/expirence God's existence.
Beside it depends how you put your FAITH into work because "FAITH without WORK(works of thy hand) is dead"
Like scientist will never change their method for any reason so God can't change His way of Holiness because of Atheist/skeptics. Or as anybody will never change all the universal laws (except God) rather than to obey them.

God has revealed Himself to us through creations: Rom 1:19-21 "19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of Him(God) from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Though what you need is the physical manifestation of God which I've explained to you.

Then stop asking for the evidence of God's existence because He has shown you they way you can access Him.

I didn't blame you to reason like that but it's because of what MAN (especially christians) has turn the world to.

Shalom!

You are doing what is called 'begging the question', that is, you are starting with an assumption (that god said this or that) which has not been proven. Before we can go any further you should bring proof that a god said what you claim it did. You are merely quoting from a book which has no evidence of divine origin.

Also, the scientific process does not require faith, only evidence. I have no 'faith' in science and scientists must always be challenged to prove what they claim.

Emusan: Steps to Find God Almighty:
1 Have Faith in God
2 Believe His will (that He has sent His only Son-Jesus Christ) John 3:16.
3 Believe His only Son and Jesus(God) will manifest Himself to you. John 14:21-23

NOTE: God can manifest Himself to whosoever ready to receive Him.

Atheist don't want to follow God's way(method) yet they want Him(God) to manifest Himself to them. Everything have its own protocol and method so also God.

He said without FAITH nobody can please Him and Jesus said whosoever love Him and keep His words He(God) will come unto him, and make their abode with him.

If you ask some ex-christians Atheist did you ever receive baptism of the Holyspirit during your christianity Llife---their answer will be NO! Though I can't blame them because even most pastors today there're not helping matter than to preach PROSPERITY rather than teaching the way of the Lord.
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Shalom!

I fully acknowledge that I have no faith in any god. What then? I don't believe in mystical stuff, because once you accept that mysticism exists, where does it end? Witchcraft? Astrology? Faith healing? So it looks like god has no alternative but to reveal itself to skeptics/atheists. If it does not then that is its own problem.

And the more I've studied religion the more convinced I am that it is all just man-made.

papindinho: Being human being is a wonder, how we breath is a wonder and things happen are wonders and none of the unbelievers can be convinced about the existence of God for 'He guides those he is willing to guide and neglect those he wills'.

And I could see the reason behind Stuart Chase's thought that "for those who believe, no proof is necessary and for those who don't believe, NO PROOF IS POSSIBLE".

Indeed the world has many wonderous things, but also in equal parts chaos, cruelty, injustice, and deformity. In any case these wonders are easily explainable in terms of science. I've also seen some pretty amazing things created by humans as well.

As to your second point, ".....NO PROOF IS POSSIBLE." Proof is possible; just have your god(s) reveal itself to all people in earth, including the atheists, scientists, and skeptics. Your god should do something which by any standard should be considered a miracle, and subject to rigorous scientific testing.

A god whispering in the ears of long-dead people who called themselves 'prophets' is not sufficient, and the alleged 'miracles' which were performed in front of uneducated, superstitious people do not meet any standard for truth by any measure I could accept.

While it is unquestionably arrogant and not completely true, I like Ernest Hemingway's quote: "All thinking men are atheists." It is not enough to say that a god creates people and then chooses who he guides, which then separates the believers from the unbelievers. Such a god is not worthy of worship.

There is no god, or at least there is no god who intervenes or cares.

I'm an atheist. Should I expect special treatment within the confines of this thread? Or shall I chop elsewhere?

Well the battery on my 'radio' died a long time ago and I've been basking in the silence ever since.

Yes, it's true that atheism can be triggered by hypocrisy of religious leaders, but there is also the matter of the mass of silly, non-historical, unrealistic religious literature like the Bible and Quran, along with a god who by any measure must be regarded as a bi-polar psychopath.

Where you see the beauty and marvel of the universe, we atheists also see the violence, chaos, and evil which are equally omnipresent.

FrostyZonn: Religion is not opposed to logic, rather it transcends it.

What you see is not what you get. 2+2=5(Grey areas)

Sorry, but this is why religion lacks logic. The first statement is babble, and the second is flat wrong. If you can use those statements to explain why religion is logical, then I can also use those statements to explain why any fairy tale is logical and why all errors are not real errors but only metaphors. If that is the case then I can assert that we are all, in fact, perfect.

As an atheist, I wouldn't necessarily say that people are born atheist as much as agnostic. However, human beings are born curious and as such they seek to explain how the world works. When they lack the means to explain things in a logical way, they come up with an illogical way....religion.

He has to be the first person ever to stow away on a flight going TO Lagos!!

And best of all, heaven has a BEER VOLCANO!!

F00028: Richard Dawkins speaks like a colonial relic

Stopped reading right there.

Ibrahim Mav: I never said that i don't understand Islam, instead it was that I wasn't a very dedicated one due to many of it's contradictions and hypocrisy. And I'm not running away from it, rather I'm contemplating the possibility of joining another religion. Christianity seems to be a welcome option since they worship the same God(Allah) as Muslims.

If you are as skeptical as you seem to be, you'll find contradictions, errors, and hypocrisy in all religions, and I don't think you'll be really satisfied with any of them. I don't see why you can't create your own personal religion based on what you believe, or just be a deist if you absolutely believe that a god exists in some form that actually cares about us.

Pastor Olu T: Remove Jesus from xtianity n it becomes as every other religion. Jesus is the defining factor which is the reason they are trying all they could to remove Him from the picture, once that is done then there is no stopping ONE WORLD RELIGION.

Don't forget about the atheists so quickly....we are there to oppose any such one world religion.

FrostyZonn: https://i.imgur.com/zgw7I.jpg

Dear atheists in the house, your situations can be likened to that of those babes in the womb.

And when they are born and finally see their mother does she then set them on fire for eternity for not believing that she existed??

RoyPCain: there is nothing about killing all black dog, because of a black dog is pregnant, the messenger [sa] would do what he did with his companions [ra], making a shed so that the delivery is undisturbed.

people can stand drinking water because he [sa] did it at least once to show that it is not permissible. and people can stand to urinate as long as no spill splash does not reach you. so you can do it from higher level to lower level.


by the way an underage is sinless. no sin is recorded for anyone who has not reached puberty. no sin is recorded for someone with mental situation. no sin is recorded for a person who is unconscious based on sleep, coma, etc.

there is freedom in these cases and if you are not one of the above, when you commit sin and seek sincere forgiveness, God wipes it off. so muslim collects mercy throughout the journey of life.

>From the Hadith of Abu Dawud -

#2839 - Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were
dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but
kill every pure black one.


From Sahih Muslim

#5248 - Maimuna reported that one morning Allah's Messenger was silent with
grief. Maimuna said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood
today. Allah's Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet
me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises,
and Allah's Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to
him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was
turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that
place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You
promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but
we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that
very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that
the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but h spared the dog
meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.


Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) warned against drinking while standing.

SAHIH MUSLIM (Book 23, Hadith 5020)

And, yes, it is not forbidden to urinate while standing but it is disliked.


Obviously, as an atheist, I reject the concept of sin and divine forgiveness but I'm just relating what I've read and been told.

Some of those are true, some are not. For example, Muhammad said to kill only black dogs. Also kill all lizards.

There is no prohibition on wearing yellow, however men cannot wear gold jewelry.

Men are supposed to squat when they urinate.

You must not drink water while standing.

To conclude: there are a fair amount of crazy rules, but not all the ones you mentioned are true.

1 Christian and 1 atheist/agnostic

There's an online quran....here's the 9th sura (chapter) which is a key chapter for radical Islamists like Boko Haram.

http://quran.com/9

Lanrefahm: u r an illeterate,u lack d knowledge of d situation. 4 ur info so many idiots ve tried to harm d kaaba since b4 d arrival of isa (jesus) dey always fail. So if america try it dat will b d end of america. Y not u urself try it urself

I have to correct you on this: the Kaaba has already been destroyed twice in history: once in 680 AD by two rival groups of Muslims fighting in Mecca, and once in a flood in the 1600s. In addition the black stone was actually stolen and held by some people outside Mecca for a number of years. So the Kaaba has already shown itself to be vulnerable.

RoyPCain: @OP; we say revert to Islam, not convert because Islam is natural way to man, creation in general. Allah says that He did not create Jinn and Man except to worship Him. . .

The Holy Prophet [the another comforter of Jesus [as]; pay attention to the "holy" qualifier word] [sa] says people are born with the natural disposition to submit to God [in Islam], but it is their parent [as in family, upbringing, environment impact, etc [something external]] that take them out of it into other ways; Judaism, Christianity, Atheism, Paganism.

I remember watching Abdullah Kundee or Kunle, a white australian daayee saying that what benefit is it if a person never chose islam, independently of just being born into it? You have to make the conscious realization to enter it, at a particular age by realizing that Gos is not a man, or son of man or idol and yes, He does exist and never was not existing at no time, even before time.

So any scripture and way that God is son or man, that nullifies the way as a divine way. There is nothing Godly of God to be a man, son or partner or racist or non existing.


What is Godly is that God be Unique, Alone in All that is Godly and not part of Humanly or quality of creation because he is the Sole Creator.

The god of the Bible and Quran is not very godly in any regard. If he actually existed, it is he that should be asking us for forgiveness for creating this chaotic, violent world.

How can you deny the truth Look at the evidence:

bolaino: So musky, u've now become a member of the new atheist movement? So richard dawkins representative on nairaland (logicboy) has converted u, smh, you lot are gon burn in hell fire, then u guys will be moved from hell fire to the lake of fire,

Your god is quite the spoiled little child, isn't he? And a psychopath, no less.

Joagbaje: The bible gave the reason.

Psalms 14:1
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works,
there is none that doeth good.]

Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Humans wrote those statements. They are wrong, as humans can be.

I am a prophet. Here is the proof:

1) I can walk under water
2) I can make a lame man blind
3) I cured a ham

Are you ready to follow me?

Should he be proud to have that written on his tombstone??

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2008/83/18542083_120637680577.jpg

It's strange how supernatural events never happen in front of, say, western scientists. They always have some stupid scientific explanation for everything.

Here's a great illustrated online comic book which goes through some of the unusual beliefs of Islam (Satan sleeping in your nose or pissing in your ear for example). The whole book is excellent reading though it really gets good after about page 10. It references both Sahih Hadith such as Bukhari and Muslim, as well as the Quran itself.

Nairaland Religion section does a great job of pointing out some of the more unusual beliefs of Christianity and rightly so (I am an atheist after all and I can appreciate the Christianity has its issues). But have a look at this document--it's extremely well done, I'm sure even some Muslims will get a kick out of it (those who can laugh at bit at themselves that is).

http://comics.alisina.org/

Christian: So you don't believe in God?

Atheist: No

Christian: Don't you realize that you can go to hell for believing that?

ibrutex: That was the saying of stonehearted unbeliver in acient times,go and see their end

Threats are useless. The Hindus have been around since ancient times and they are unbelievers yet they are still here.

I refuse to believe that some god revealed himself by whispering to certain people who left no evidence of their prophethood.

In addition, the 'holy' books such as the Bible and Quran are poorly written, incoherent at times, contain errors, and are full of threats and violence. Those gods (Yahweh, Allah) did a very poor job of revealing their religions and besides they are more evil than good. How could I possibly believe such sad jokes?