₦airaland Forum

Okay. I think the best way out of this is for the FG not to have any special oil schools at all - aside from the PTI. Period.

Yes, Edinburgh. Thank you. Yet Edinburgh is in SCOTLAND not ENGLAND - like you wanted everyone to believe.

The RGU - Robert Gordon University, another big oil people producer is in Aberdeen.

debosky:
3. It is not a given that 'maximal' gain will be obtained from siting 'high level' manpower training where oil and has is found in abundance - The best schools for studying oil and gas in the UK for example are Imperial College and Heriot-Watt - none is in Aberdeen the centre of the oil industry in the UK.

For your information, Heriot Watt is in Scotland, Aberdeen, and is recognised as one of the best Petroleum Engineering Schools in the world. As a matter of fact, Scotland has the largest concentration of petroleum engineering schools in the UK. And the reasons are not far fetched. Scotland is most proximal to the North Sea - the hub of oil activities in the UK. Please get your facts right.

In the US, the biggest of them all in terms of Petroleum Engineering is in Texas and Louisiana - University of Texas at Austin and Louisiana State University. Texas A&M is another big producer of oil men. They are all located in areas where oil activities are concentrated in the US.

I wonder why the Niger Delta case should be different.

debosky:
WHY do they want a degree awarding institute? Is a lack of graduates the problem of the delta vis a vis manpower in the industry? That is clearly not the case!

This clearly is the case - and I will not join issues with you on this one, Debo. No need to elaborate.

debosky:
There is no proof of this being clear - I believe the FUPRE was 'created' in name only to keep 'agitators' quiet and had no real vision or purpose.

Well, if that is the case, I suggest/posit that Yaradua should tow OBJs line of action - cos it's working dammit!

When I used the word ''mainly'' up there, I already have some things at the back of my mind not mentioned along with the upgrades. I also said ''and some stuff''. That's because, in deed and in truth, those other things you mentioned do not really add up to the desires of the people of Delta State (and Niger Delta in general) for the PTI. They wanted a degree awarding institution. Not a ''middle level manpower'' institution.

When it became ''clear'' to the OBJ administration that Nigeria needs both middle and high level manpower producer - sited in thesame location where the resources to do this are present, he set up the FUPRE in Effurun alongside the PTI.

If Rilwanu did not move anything anywhere, he should have simply proposed a scrapping of the CPS in Kaduna - with some wonderful justifications that should read thus:

1. CPS Kaduna is not located in the right environment for research and studies in Petroleum Engineering. Kaduna is good for NDA - there's plenty of land for keeping munitions and training war veterans. The place already have enough of federal presence.
2. Making FUPRE work at this time will endear the FG to the heart of the Niger Delta People.
3. The FG will maximally benefit from locating both the middle and high level manpower training schools in the areas where oil and gas is found in abundance.
4. Delta State will now have a federal university they can call their own.

LOL. That's right!

The PTI upgrade was mainly about facilities refurbishment, construction of new halls, office blocks and stuff. The issue of making the school a degree awarding institution has been on for years. Forces from within and without kicked against it.

The establishment of FUPRE in Effurun is the main issue. FUPRE is the Federal University that will be involved in everything oil and gas training and studies. That's what Rilwanu wants moved to Kaduna.

I'm in full support of anything/body that will blow up into smithereens all of the structures and interests of non niger delta oil moguls.

The facts:

1. A Federal University of Petroleum Resources, FUPRE was established by the FG during the Obasanjo administration some 2 or 3 years ago near the PTI in Effurun, Delta State. Of course, the Delta State Government supported the moves with some 250 million naira - food for thought for some misguided elements who believe the ND States government spend their monies turning themselves from pot bellied men to women in London!

2. The upgrade of the Petroleum Training Institute, Effurun has been on for more than 2 years now. In fact, the upgrade runs alongside the establishment of the FUPRE nearby the PTI. The upgrade is mainly around facilities refurbishments, construction of new office blocks or complex, hostles and stuff like that. As per the PTI awarding degree for their graduates, that's a different matter entirely, even though that was in the offing too.

3. The school in Kaduna -  The College of Petroleum Studies(?) has never been in the limelight, non existent or just another cash cow of some sorts.

4. Lukman Rilwanu only woke up lately to realise that the Kaduna school will fade into oblivion with the take off of FUPRE in Warri. All the elements to support the fledging FUPRE were there in the Niger Delta - right environment, access to research materials, industries, people, etc etc. So, the herdsmen in the north, who are BOKOs (lately) felt their grip on ''oil'' is fast waning and so resorted to cheap ethnic propaganda to make the Kaduna schools a ''High level manpower generator for the oil industry''

5. Before now, the issue of FUPRE (the Federal University of Petroleum Resources) did not generate any controversy, and was not brought into the limelight.

6. Truth is that this matter is about the FUPRE against Rilwanu Lukman's Kaduna Oil school and not PTI.

That's how all the deceit and foul play starts.

NDA is an ''academy''. I gathered that ''academy'' didn't start awarding degrees from the start. But a time came and the FG felt it was good enough to start awarding degrees in all the courses run by the institution - 1985 or thereabout. How do you plan to convince anyone that thesame scenario that played out with NDA is not what these cattle herdsmen are planning to foist on us at this time?

PTI has been in existence since the early 70s - it's probably the oldest federal institution still awarding diplomas and certificates in this country. Well, this is not about PTI like you rightly stated. But there is a Federal University of Petroleum Resources fledging and growing nearby the PTI. Just when this was taking off, that's when Lukman and his crop of ethnic biased northerners felt they need to clip the wings of the new University - and move it to their own dry, perched and arid ground.

I urge all MEND boys to blow to shreds any presence of any new ''upgrades'' anywhere.

And don't come up with that bull crap excuse of ''federal character'' and stuff. . . .  , I will not buy into it.

debosky:
That is a wrong statement - have you actually READ FOR YOURSELF what the minister said? Instead you are making comments on sensationalist reporting without looking at the FACTS as they stand for themselves.

The urge for misinformation on this matter is amazing - people talk about something being moved and other things being downgraded when this is not the case.

Warri PTI upgrade has not been canceled - a 'proposed' University sited adjacent has been canceled. Nothing has been 'moved' to Kaduna, an existing institute is being upgraded, just like PTI has been upgraded. Nothing more.

And why cancel that ''proposed'' university?

Delta State has no Federal University anywhere in that state. So, if this Petroleum University in Delta is a way of making the people of that state feel and have a sense of belonging, why on earth did the FG relocate it to Kaduna?

Kaduna have the NDA - A degree awarding military institution. They also have the Aviation school and a host of other Federal Government controlled agencies. So, why relocate this strategic petroleum university to Kaduna? Why not Bayelsa or Akwa-Ibom - if they MUST relocate it?

At the right time, I will post something. I'm currently busy.

Great ride. Do we have Rav4s Navigation Systems inbuilt?

Alrite guys, enuf said.

@Debo,
I gbadun you very much this time around. I see reason has prevailed over sentiments.

Interesting times are upon us!

[quote author=OYB_MEND link=topic=293284.msg4145881#msg4145881 date=1246918714]those who need this thread most can't post on it

I mean if u are suspended can u post on this thread to complain to the moderator?[/quote]LOL

KB1:
Did you Tiv folks know that your people were the original holders and rulers of the northern lands of Nigeria in which are most commonly refered to as the lands of the Hausa today? It was about 1200 years ago that the Hausa came pouring into the the rich fertile lands from the Northern Sahel in what is today Chad, Niger and Darfur Sudan, with their Herds of cattle and goats in that their traditional herding lands had become over crowded and exhausted. Upon arriving in your lands, the migrants, were at first very friendly and the Tiv allowed them to settle in the lands and feed their animals, then after about 80 years in the lands the Hausa numbers had skyrocketed to become more than that of the Tiv in the land, and it was then that a infamous Hausa ruler out of Niger who was of Islamic faith invaded the lands with his massive army, in a Jihad aimed to convert the Hausa people living in the lands into Muslims. He succeeded and in time via via various military conflicts with the Tiv, he managed to take nearly the entire North eastern corner of what is today Nigeria away from the tiv.

But he wasn't happy with just that, soon after he pushed on and took most of the rest of the North, forcing the Tiv people to convert and or move out of the lands. Many converted and many simply moved out of the conquered lands further south along the Niger River banks and mountainous terrain of the Plateau. Over the years various other Hausa and Hausa-Fulani rulers invaded these remaining Tiv lands in an effort to convert them and turn their lands into the extending Hausa-Fulani lands, though the Tiv over time fought courageously to keep that from happening. Not only did they deafened against the Hausa from the North but in time they were also forced to defend against the rapidly expanding Edo Empire of Benin in which sought to acquire lands on the northern banks of the Niger.

They succeeded for about a span of 8 years before the Tiv accepted the assistence of the Hausa and together they managed to push the Edo back across the Niger River. In accepting the help of the Hausa, the Tiv community were opened up to greater levels of persuasion from the Hausa to convert to Islam and many more did in little time after the victory.

Another interesting piece.

[quote author=boladonas link=topic=276654.msg4017193#msg4017193 date=1244799328][/quote]I've met quite a lot of the Greatest JOGS products on this board. I am one too. Enjoy.

@ Osisi's story:

Interesting. Now, I'll begin to ''look'' at you. . . . .lets say, I'll continue to look.

I have been reading entries on this board for a while. Chidichris stands out as one of the best contributors on the political board.

I think Chidichris and some other intelligent contributors have said all there is to answer the questions raised by the OP. Simple truth remains that OBJ forced this guy Yaradua on us. The possible reasons for his choice has been enumerated somewhere up there in some of the entries. Nothing much to add.

However, what's baffling is the inability of Yaradua himself to make an impact. At least he's an eductaed person. He should know when to call it quit and take charge. Maybe he's doing that, but I can't see it. Or is it me? I mean, one can at the least make ''something happen'' even when he/she  had been ''imposed'' on people. Our President's case is really a sorry one. Sometimes I wonder who really takes decisions at the top and the caliber of people who advice our president.

A recent case in point (to buttress the fact that our Presido lacks what it takes to rule this country, or is dancing to the tune played by some vested interests) is the siting of the School of Petroleum Studies in Kaduna. Touted as the biggest Petroleum School in Subsaharan Africa when completed, it's amazing that with the barrage of attacks in the Niger Delta, such a schoool will be sited in the North - far away from the area where the funds for building the school is ''mined''.

I think OBJ has really done us in this time.

This is testament to what inspired_men only can do. A 16k mile 2007 Honda Accord is top notch clean ride. Congrats to Obeledu, he's got one fine dealer to get a car from.

Last night we received some good news from Terri McFaddin-Solomon who is good friends with Sandra Crouch. Three weeks ago Sandra and Andre’ spent some time with their close friend, Michael Jackson. Michael asked Andre` to play, “It Won’t Be Long And We’ll Be Leaving Here.” Michael then prayed with Sandra and Andre and accepted Christ into his heart. Now he’s singing in the heavenly choir.! Our hearts rejoice!


http://randythomas.org/2009/06/27/michael-jackson-became-a-christian-before-dying/

Dang!!!

E be like say I go change my mind o o o ooo, o boy! Nice one Jenju! This car is simpy in a class of its own.

Nice ride.

Point made already. Why overflog with unnecessary, repeated entries? Please move on to something else.

deor3,
Please read lastpage's entry very well - especially the first and second paragraphs. That's what my entry on this implies.

Nice replies - especially the one who wants the OP to marry his homo-lover and stop wasting our time.

Now, this is scary. But why on earth did the FG go public with this? I expect they should have nipped this quietly. They have only succeeded in letting the depraved importers smuggle in the goods in via other means.

Damn! I'm getting sick and tired of this country every day!

Can't see any movie. Did someone yank it off or what?

Ibime:
What the writer fails to reveal is that her father was listed as a prosecution witness in the bungled-up court case against Saro-Wiwa that led to his death.

Her father was?? Now, that's news. Pardon me, but do you have any link to backup your statement up there?

Ms Kogbara did put up a strong defence up there.

You know, sometimes I like reading becomerich's entries . . . . . . . . has a funny way of adding some flavours to the discussions at hand. Keep it up bro.

I think. . . . . . I think this story is not true. But then again, most times, stories are meant for entertainment.

Post the link to the news, if it's true.

@blacksta,
That prodeco aerial view captured Warri a little bit more than the rest. Just look beyond the tastefully designed buildings - and you'd agree with me that there isn't any artillery or army formations anywhere in sight.

This is not to underplay the current crisis brewing in the area - but those are limited to the creeks and some villages.


In all, papabrowne has done a good job of posting these pics. Well done.