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sprintscr7:
I would like to meet u in person u just like my brother we could argue all day talking about football that even my septuagenarian dad is attimes furious about if we are around together...back to the point so losing to sides manage by Claude puel with bags of experience and dropping points against an attacking Marco Silva side is know a crime..Leicester ex champions are a club u are rubbishing here..maybe westham did not beat Chelsea Crystal palace got their first points from Chelsea..it seems u don't fully understand EPL..EPL is for no lazy players oo..that's why city are winning they are ready to die on the pitch...Chelsea were like that last season..imagine michy batshayi romancing water bottle because of cold...modern football is becoming shit.. so Liverpool that rested players were they able to beat Everton talk oo..when Almighty barca won LA liga and the champions league they did not rest Guardiola doesn't rest his key players I have known him for that...ask simeone he doesn't rest his players...Why are they being paid to come and play today and not play 2mao bullshiit... because they are tired..any reasonable coach will not put £180,000 a week player on the bench who is very key to the team against a team like Everton because of fatigue...we injected Rooney so that he could play against Bayern and it worked only for stupid Rafael to be sent off...Liverpool injected Torres and beat us..Ronaldinho played with one leg and made sure barca overcame chelsea..I know the spirit behind that thing called ball...my last comment am done arguing with u...

bro watch Tottenham after they dismantled Madrid....
They were in form esp away from home....The likes of leceister city and Watford were no match for them!
But like I said,when U keep playing the same team week in,week out...Ur players will burn out easily esp the pact players....

Its different in other leagues in Europe esp Spain....There is no match midweek hence messi and Suarez can have a rest while their own counterparts in English will be preparing for a match on Tuesday or Wednesday...Do u see the difference?

Secondly,while messi and Suarez will be spending the Christmas and new year with family,the likes of lukaku,pogba,harry Kane and countinho or hazard will still be sweating it out on the pitch....

No wonder its been difficult for English club sides to even reach the semis....Check the leagues that have been in d finals...U will know wat am talking about!

Yes Torres was good but was overused same as Gerard and other key players!

sprintscr7:
I started watching football from a very young age that is quite remarkable for at age 13 I have been analyzing football talking tactics with older people so as for ranieri u are right about that Chelsea wanted more energy from their and they went for mourinho but had he been he didn't rotate and won the league.. he would av still remained at Chelsea..though I like ranieri and knew he would strive at Leicester but he brought out the best in Vardy, Mahrez, Hasseblaink, But he doesn't sign overwhelming players he loves blacks...his tactics his old fashioned Italian way counter attacks which players didn't like that much they got fed up...am a united fan who bitterly advocate for mourinho' sack I don't like his mannerism and approach he is lazy manager in my opinion always waiting for opposition to make mistakes so that u can score..manage big teams like Huddersfield and burnley.. although he is the best coach in the world when it comes to defending then u can talk of simeone..even with 7 men he would defend...he craves for clean sheets and serial wins 1-0 2-0...now that football has really changed different systems and approach being laid by this young managers is giving headache that's why mourinho can never be special one again...sorry oo am a bonafide united fan but don't like mourinho one bit

I understand ur anger bro....

@sprintscr7

Spare a thought for Tottenham who kept using the same players for the premiership and champions league!

The coach refused to rest some of his burn out and tired players!

What was the result?
They lost to an average Leicester city and drew against a lowly Watford....
That's when the coach decided to rest the likes of harry Kane!
but the damage has been done...
Tottenham lost the 3rd spot and are now dragging with arsenal for the 5th spot!

When U have a pool of players to choose from esp in a tight and congested league like d English premiership,u need more Dan one player in a position and rotation is a must to get the best out of ur top players!

sprintscr7:
Oga where u dey watch ur ball from dey dere dey talk rubbish Yorke and Andy Cole were our strikers teddy shringham and ole gunner (baby face assassin) were subs just like saha sub even the guy sef dey get injury ole gunner was injured we even brought herinkh larsson to come and strike for man utd for short period for van nistelrooy there was a time ruud van nistelrooy was the only striker alongside Rooney we had to play 4-3-3 for most of the season even before Rooney came sef... no dey talk nonsense for here..

Why am I even having dis discussion with U wen u can't comprehend simple grammar....

Yes u had Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke....I have asked u....if they played all the fa premier matches and all the champions league matches too....?

dere were matches Andy Cole didn't start either due to loss of form or injury or rotation!

I do know Dwight Yorke and Cole are the main strikers,but they didn't play all the matches in all the competitions!
There were matches teddy started and there are matches ole started!

U have an internet,go check what am saying and stop embarrassing urself here!

sprintscr7:
.Oga next time u talk apply ur sense well..do ur research and asked Chelsea why ranieri was sacked he was even nicknamed "tinkerman" becos of his stupid rotation..same reason he got sacked at Leicester.. how can I have a team and I cannot boast of our starting eleven over 65 changes to the starting eleven of Liverpool after just 16 games..is that one a coach or roachtator..if ur team continue like this u will not win "PAN"..no wonder coutinho wants to leave good players don't need rubbish rest..if u are good u are good...Sanchez whether u play him everyday he will deliver if u sabi ball u sabi ball forget all those nonsense rotation why are they training then

lol
Now I know why ur likes are called emotional fans....
When U watch matches with ur emotions,U lose sight of sum little details
Raneiri was not sacked due to his rotation...He was fired because he never had d mindset of a winner,a tactical edge,and a man management skill to control his top and over paid players!

Raneri lacked the ability to play to a players strength!
That's why he lost against the last Monaco during d champions league!

Today things have changed....Every good team now has at least two players for a position!
like I explained initially,these changes are needed in case a player loses form or get a lengthy injury!

Take a look at manutd....if Bailly and Jones were fit,those defenders like linderlof or smalling won't even be on d pitch!
Now take away pogba either through injury or suspension and u have no team!

As for countinho,u no dey him head and he can go when he wants to....We still have super players dat can fit into that position without sweat.... Kloop is making a team and not an individual!

Like I said,stop taking panadol for another person's headache....go and bother ur self with ur cowardly,bus-packing,negative manager....I guess he is doing so well for manutd fans? Hahahahaha

#YNWA

sprintscr7:
with all this long epistle u wrote i cant spot any sense there....same way mourinho rested his players when Chelsea won in 2005 frank lampard didn't even miss a match nonsense and guardiola this season Oga go and sleep I have been supporting united for long under fergie and we didn't rotate our key players sir giggs and Ronaldo were always playing same with Beckham who Ronaldo replaced..

Then U are not a manutd fan or U started watching their matches from 2005...lol

Like i said,U are a very poor historian of the English prem....During the time of manutd glory days,manutd has two solid set of teams that can win the title back to back and even win d champions league....

in midfield,he had the likes of Roy Keane,Nicky Butt,Paul scholes,and other stellar midfielders to rotate their squad.

What about the attack? U had Dwight Yorke,Andy Cole,teddy sheringham,super sub Ole Gunnar Solskjær competing for the attack....should I talk about the defence?

If u check the glory days of manutd,U will discover that fergie can easily use any of his players either first or fringe players cos they were that Good and it was so easy to rotate d squad!

If u think am lying go and find out from the net if during the glory days of Roy Keane,teddy sheringham team if they started all the premier league matches from start to finish including champions league and Fa cup!

U mentioned Chelsea and I ask....when did they finally win the league? was it before or after their exit from the champions league dat year?

Since U have exposed ur club identity,Let me ask why U are taking panadol for another club's head ache....?

No wonder U talk like this because no loyal #Lfc fan will talk trash about kloop!

Please go transfer ur apparent anger towards ur bus-packing,cowardly coach aka mourinho who keeps making a mockery of the manutd club badge every day!

I even heard he shamefully wen to Manchester city's dressing room to tell dem to reduce deir celebration ....Hahahahaha

Our master tactician coach kloop is excellent and great and we like him like that!

Go lick ur wounds manutd fans....and mind ur own business!
#YNWA

tracyfemmmm:
men are
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Most times people say things that will ultimately affect their future!

Be careful what you wish for cos You just might get it!

If U say ALL MEN are dustbin,are u implying that ur dad,Ur future husband,ur future son,ur brother,Ur friends who are men are all garbages?

What a misconstrued mindset! Smh

twilliamx:
Just like your daddy....

lol

One thing most ignorant fans are yet to get a firm grip on is that the English premiership match schedules are totally different from that of other leagues....

While other leagues are making preparations for the Christmas holidays,The English premiership is still on.....

The worse part is that U have at least 3-4 matches in a week during the month of December which can take a toll on the players....

This is one of the reasons why the German,Italian,French and Spanish league club sides are always in the finals of the champions league!

By the time these players from the English premiership go through the overloaded December fixtures,at least 60% of them will either be exhausted or injured no thanks to the brilliant idea of the English FA to keep overloading fixtures to the detriment of players who are no machines!

The worse part is that instead of fans to complain about the fixture overload by the FA,they start blaming coaches for improvising...and trying to manage their players esp their star players.....

in conclusion, I think in the foreseeable future,clubs should start demanding that the FA review their heavy match schedules...Cos its seriously hampering their chances of having a successful champions league campaign compared to other top leagues in Europe!

sprintscr7:
no wonder u people can never win pan not to talk of league or cup keep rotating your key players...good and fit players don't need rest after all they are still 25 years and below the best age for a football player experience wise and fitness wise..Liverpool never rested gerrad Torres even Cristiano ronaldo don't need rest u dare not rest in games like this... is 3 - 4 days not even too much for players below 25 years to rest... later some coaches will be calling their players world class players and yet the so called world class players like coutinho de bruyne need to rest...nonsense..why are they being paid foolish klopp...keep changing team
.klopp is a big fool season never reach midway u dey rotate becos December period dey mumu

My problem with ur likes is that u have very poor memory or not a student of history....

Let's even go back to d days of Torres and Gerard.... Due to the demands of league games and champions league,Torres and Gerard kept visiting the treatment table either to treat one injury or the other....and not just them,the likes of zabi Alonso,benayoune were featured almost every match without a replacement and injury set in....dat season we lost d league to united who were criticized for rotating their squad... and Liverpool lost d champions league at d semi.....

The following season,benitez still didn't did learn from his past....He still fielded the same players week in week out and what happened..Gerard and Torres got sidelined by a long injury dat season.....We didn't even qualify from the group stages and we ended up finishing below 4th position....

Now let me tell u wat happened last season around this period,if U are not aware or U just want to be choosy...due to exhaustion and over labouring of star players like countinho, de Byrne and others in the league,most of them got exhausted or lost form or got lengthy injury spell esp de Byrne who had to play both champions league and league...and wat happened to man city last season? From "championship clear favorites" to "top 4 challengers"!

And who won the league last season? Chelsea! Did they play a champions league football last season? No....
So what has happened to them this season? Why are they losing matches that they could have easily won? loss of form,exhaustion, injury etc

....Mark my words,if guardiola keeps playing de Byrne week in week out including midweek,de bryne's body will collapse and a long injury will set in....and man city may just start free falling like last season....

Looking at the game yesterday, had Mane not become selfish or carried away,we would have been coasting home with 3 goals and Everton would have been out of sight by 1st half....Wen U don't score and the game remains just a single goal,the longer it goes the more Everton would think dat they had a chance...and Everton played absolutely nothing to even deserve a draw!

I know every one is angry because we drew against Everton,but what if klopp had followed ur advise and fielded the so called fab 4 and one of them got injured during the match and its discovered that it will be lenghty,Would U have the guts to blame kloop again for not resting his players?

I don't know if U are a fan or U just want to claim U are one....But if U are,let me ask U where U were wen we were brushing teams aside wit 3+ goals without d "fab 4" starting,Did U make this complain or called Kloop a fool?


Get by ur club side and support....If U can't do that,then find another club that fits Ur description....As for me and myself,I will keep supporting #Lfc and Kloop With or without a "pan" like U early said!

#YNWA

Mourinho right now

lukaku has killed manutd ohh

This is one of the reasons why I admire messi!
So humble and focussed!

Am actually an Ororo fan but U cant be saying such in public...What will his team mates be thinking?

Why say U are better than every one knowing fully well he is nothing without the team!

He can't defend,operate in the midfield while attacking...That's highly impossible!

He should tender an unreserved apology to every one esp his team mates!
Such statement was disrespectful and likely to cause a rancour in the dressing room!
pride goes before a fall!

Guys chill the season is still long....

Why blame klopp.....?

Did U blame klopp when we were blowing teams apart with 3+ goals?


Salah was tired having played full 90 minutes against spartak...
Aside that,salah was a marked man and would have gotten an injury.... pacey players like mane and salah can be injury prone!

Klopp is trying to manage his creative players and ensure there is no exhaustion or burn out!

Dese players ain't machines....they need rest!

I won't be surprised if mane doesn't start the next game!

Yes we sud have started d "fab 4 " but I have to admit that Everton came wit a soild game plan..close mark salah and mane while they pack d bus....and sadly it worked out!

hopefully,we can wrap up 3 points in the next match against westbrom!

No blames pls

#YNWA

I acknowledge the fact that members of an assembly would like to celebrate their minister of the gospel and if possible give honour to him....but In my opinion I think its way too much and might become a premise for idolatry unknowingly!

If I may ask....

1.What about 14 reasons why U love your father God?
2.What about letting people know about what God did for us?
3.What about telling the world how awesome God is....How beautiful he is....His unfailing love....His faithfulness towards us?



Remember we must Always lift God HIGH at all times above every other person or personality!

.....no man or woman no matter how influential or powerful can take the place or honour that is due to God!!

Let no one take away that one in a life time glory from God because he more than deserves it and not any one even a minister or preacher....

like I said earlier...its my opinion!

WackyJ1:
Since Daddy Freeze started his FreeTheSheeple Movement and many people have joined him in claiming that tithe is not necessary, that it is just a tool of manipulation my modern day pastors to enrich themselves.

Does anyone here actually know anyone who has stopped giving their tithes? Anyone who actually used to take 10% of their earnings and give to God through the church that has stopped since the Large outcry against tithe on social media started?

I ask this because contrary to many people's opinions when looking at the affluence of pastors nationwide. A lot of people do not give their tithe! And I believe that it is this same people that are coming out to cry against giving tithe.
Is the movement really working when it is people that do not give tithe that claim to be part of it?
It takes a lot to take 10% of income and give to the house of God. I once made a sale of 70k+ and 10% of that is #7,000. That is a lot of money relatively. The bigger your income is, the bigger your tithe. It takes a lot of faith for someone to give their tithe especially since they know that it is a man just like themselves that is collecting it. No one is a fool unlike that Daddy freeze and the rest claim. People know just where their tithe is going physically. It is going to take a lot more than arguments to make them stop something that they believe in deeply enough to make them part with their hard earned cash, especially if they have personally seen the benefits of giving it.

So is the anti-tithe movement not a waste of time. When all the members are those who never used to give tithe in the first place? What use is a movement that seeks to enlighten but has not actually enlightened anyone enough to make them change their behavior?

Do you know anyone that has stopped giving their tithe since the FreetheSheeple movement began?

Even before the establishment of the freethesheeple movement,many believers have stopped tithing and have channelled such monies into helping the needy and bringing relieve to those who have nothing!

Unfortunately some believers,after finding out the truth about tithe and some falsehood teachings they were fed with every day in church,they decided to become atheists or converted to Islam because they could not imagine the preacher they loved so much would deceive them and tell them lies just because of money!

Many preachers and ministers know the truth about tithe....They know about Deuteronomy 14:22-29...They know about Matthew 25:31-46....but the fear of many realizing the truth and channelling that their monies to the needy and the poverty stricken worries them....

That's why when U want to help some one in need,they fill ur head with fear through manipulative cliches like..."Do U want to have ur pockets to keep leaking when U give money to that poor old wretched woman?" or "Do u want God to rain curses on to U?" or "Do U want that person U are giving money to take ur money to native doctors?"

That's why they are fighting freeze with every weapon available....I won't be surprised if there is an attempt to the life of freeze!
Let tithe and other illegal payments stop for one year and U will see only a handful of churches in Nigeria!

Gkay1:
nothing can stop me from paying my tithes. i give to God not to pastor.
By the special grace of God, i will continue to give.



life is per head.

There is a clear distinction between Giving and Tithing!
Most believers confuse Giving for tithe payment!
Tithe payment is not a type of Giving!
U can't Give what is required or instructed!
A Tithe is mandatory.....Giving is voluntary and from the heart!

When a man is hungry,thirsty and down to his last hope,the last thing he needs is a bible....

Some churches abroad,lure people to their church and offer them food and water before preaching to them...because U dont know where that person is coming from or what he has been through....

There is really no need for this....Gideon international is doing a very good job producing bible!

Let that money be channeled into charity homes and poverty stricken families who desperately believe the church will be their last hope!

Achorise:
Yes the foolish things of God is vice versa, please teach me more, why did God commanded tithing so many times in the bible. .

Aside the mosaic tithe which took place during the old covenant dispensation, there was no place where God instructed his people to tithe....

Achorise:
Why did Jesus tell the Pharisees that they ignored the most important part of the law which is mercy, faith and judgement. .
Hes said they paid more attention in paying tithe, Jesus admonished them to keep the both commandments, that non should suffer.

Am guessing U still don't know that christ was born under the law....in other to redeem dose who are still under d law (Galatians 4:1-5)
He was still under the law of moses...he attended the temple...carried out burnt offerings...hence it would have been wrong if christ condemned tithe without also condemning d oda laws of moses!
But when the time was right,he died in other to bring the law of moses to its completion in other words,the law has served it purpose....
Please read Galatians 3:17-29;Ephesians 2:11-19;Hebrews 7:11-19
The purpose of the coming of Jesus was to bring the law and its ordinances to completion there by serving its purpose....christ death and resurrection ushered in a new covenant which contained a change of the former law and where Christ is the new priesthood!
Hebrews 7:11-19
Romans 13:8-12
Hebrews 8,9 and 10

Achorise:
Also, the apostles of old encouraged people to sale their properties and bring...why? They sold land and houses and submitted to the apostles feet.Why? why do God always want our money.

Am glad U didn't say they paid a tithe from the lands and houses that they sold....

If u read Acts 4 from where this description emanated from U,You would observe that no one actually encouraged them but rather,they decide on their own to sell off their lands and house to put on the apostles feet in order for the same apostles to cater for those who are needy!
It was never given to the apostles as deir own rather they shared it to dose who had nothing....
This same gesture was encouraged by Paul to the people of Corinthians... 2 Corinthians 8....2 Corinthians 9:7

They were at no point forced or obligated to give any thing!
Even Ananias was not forced to give all of his money but the reason why he died was because he lied!

Achorise:
where you read about the foolish things of this world, to conform the wise, how do you know who is the wise here? Freeze or pastors?

I used that instance of God using foolish or insignificant things to people as instruments to show the truth simple because some believers have a false mindset about who they choose to listen to or believe!
It not like freeze is holding a different bible from urs...
He is saying wat is in the same bible U and I see or carry every day to church.... I think most Christians and pastors sud drop their pride and arrogance and listen to him cos its obvious most Christians only open where pastors order them to open!

Achorise:
Is tithing not foolish thing in Daddy Freeze eyes? or is Daddy Freeze campaign not foolish in religious leaders eyes?

Funny enough daddy freeze asked a simple question using Deuteronomy 14:22-29 as a reference....which most ignorant believers and to my greatest amazement pastors are trying so hard to give a valid reply using scriptures!

Freeze acknowledged that there was tithe but issue is that no pastor or minister qualifies to take tithes...And he is absolutely right!

Ur pastor is not and can never be a levite becos being a levite is not by anointing or by ordination but by a family lineage!

It is outright falsehood for pastors or ministers to claim they are the Levites of our time and no Christian is bold enough to ask how did such happen or where such instructions were given by God to the apostles of old?
Not a single scripture proves such assertions!

Achorise:
You see why one needs to be very careful in religious affairs. .
One guy told me God asked him to start paying tithe.
Alot of persons have such experiences,
How do we reconcile it ?

Bro am sure U are conversant with logos and Rhema...When both are not in agreement,such person's assertion that God spoke to him is questionable!

Yeah people have deir experience simply because they think its their tithe that makes them rich....but what happens wen they tithe but there is nothing forth coming?

U blessings or wealth is not tied to ur tithe my bro cos christ has given U all that is needed to prosper Ephesians 1:3

Achorise:
If we say it's a lie, their dreams are lies, are we not being wise in our own eyes?

Some thing becomes a lie when there is no scripture to back up such claim....remember that the bible is our guide and path!

Achorise:
Please is circumcision not of the law? why do Christian still circumcise?..pls, Is the circumcision of grace not enough.?
The holy spirit will teach us all things.
If Daddy Freeze is Of God, No one will stop him, but if he's out to spite pastors and churches, lets leave him to God..
Please Nairalanders be careful of spiritual issues and pastors, cos you don't know the fake and the real once.
Let God be the Judge.

Achorise:
Please is circumcision not of the law?

I don't dispute that fact but same can not be said about the law of tithing before the law .....
Tithing never started with Abraham.....If it did,a commandment by God would have been given expressively....

How can a so-called spiritual principle or law(like tithers will make us believe) be too silent in the scriptures without a single law or commandment from the scripture backing it or fronting Abraham?

Circumcision and burnt offerings were strictly commanded by God to Abraham...why are Christians no observing them...
Why observe what has no instruction from God?

Isaac was never instructed or commanded to tithe simply becos there was no existing law of tithe...rather he was commanded to make a burnt offering for God!

Jacob made a VOW to God wanting to offer him a tenth of all he has if God can help him....
What is a vow?
a solemn promise, pledge, or personal commitment
Before the law was given,many entities in the bible made VOWS from burnt offerings,heave offerings etc
Must a personal pledge or a voluntary commitment by some one in the bible to God apply to Christians?
I don't think so!

Achorise:
The holy spirit will teach us all things.
If Daddy Freeze is Of God, No one will stop him, but if he's out to spite pastors and churches, lets leave him to God..

Just going through what U said reminds me of this scripture in Acts 5:34-39 when the apostles were about to be killed....

34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a little while. 35 Then he addressed the Sanhedrin: “Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men. 36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing. 37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”

See my bro Freeze may not be the usual powerful pastor or a charismatic evangelist or a renowned Prophet but one thing U can never take away from Freeze is his knowledge of the scriptures!
One thing i have admired about God is that he uses personalities that seem insignificant to people to warn Christians and ministers of the gospel about their ignorance!
Remember this scripture 1 Corinthians 1:27 - 31

27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

Odinz:
You have missed the whole reason why the tithe was ever instituted.

- Ministers in the house of God were not supposed to do any secular jobs apart from the ministerial work

- The tithe and offering was their source of livelihood. Consider Nehemiah 13:10-13.

- Yes the tithe which literally means 'a tenth' is one-tenth of your produce or by extension income. Refer again the first scriptures I cited.

- Pastors cannot make me believe what is outside the scriptures.

- No, I'm not the most faithful in that regards but I'm trying to be.

- About eating of tithe, kindly refer to the scriptures I cited first again, you will find your answers there.

My brother U quoted scriptures which i asked if U obey to the letter.....
U quoted Deuteronomy 14:22-29 and from Ur response,its obvious U are not doing what was instructed by God...Thats called disobedience!

You have missed the whole reason why the tithe was ever instituted.

No sir on the contrary,tithe was instituted or mandated by God to the levites who come from a family lineage...They were the ones mandated to take tithes according to numbers 18:20!
No one outside the family of the levites are mandated to receive tithes according to the bible!
If U believe ministers of the Gospel are now the levites of our time,U can do well to back up such theory with the scriptures!

- Ministers in the house of God were not supposed to do any secular jobs apart from the ministerial work

This statement is not totally True!
The first ministers of the early church had jobs just the same way they preached the gospel...
Paul was a minster yet he was a tentmaker...he even advised other ministers not to be a burden to others by doing some thing with their hands( 2 Thess. 3:7–8 )

- The tithe and offering was their source of livelihood. Consider Nehemiah 13:10-13.

I think U are confusing levites and ministers of the gospel
These two entities are from different dispensations and operating from different covenants!
levites were instituted during the law and ministers of the Gospel was established after the law !
1 Corinthians 9:13 - 14 Made a clearer explanation

13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

The lord has ordained that those who preach the Gospel should get their living from the Gospel......There is no where a minster is paid a tithe because such person does not operate from a temple,but instead operates from a new and higher covenant from that of the old which operated with the mosaic law!

To qualify to receive a tithe,U must first be a jew and obey all the 613 law of moses,must be from the levi lineage and must operate from a temple to receive what comes from the temple which includes heave offering,tithes etc

- Yes the tithe which literally means 'a tenth' is one-tenth of your produce or by extension income. Refer again the first scriptures I cited.

There is no part in that scripture where an income was sighted....it was purely farm produce and cattles!
U are just the one that added "income".....which for me is called "adding what is not there in the scriptures"
Deuteronomy 14:22 was every explicit about farm produce and cattles

22 “You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.

Remember that before this scripture was written,there was already money in circulation

- Pastors cannot make me believe what is outside the scriptures.

Hmmmm...but ur responses or replies say otherwise

- About eating of tithe, kindly refer to the scriptures I cited first again, you will find your answers there.

In other words,do U eat Ur tithe?
Do U tithe every year?
Do U give ur tithe to the homeless,strangers and fatherless after the 3rd year?
Cos thats exactly what the Deuteronomy says....

Odinz:
Paying of tithe a mosaic law? I disagree.

Abraham, the patriarch, was the first according to scriptures to pay tithe. Now if the tithe was instituted before the law came then it stands that the principle of tithing remains even after the law is abolished.

And I don't see where I separated those two scriptures, as a matter of fact they strongly corroborate each other.

Its not about whether u disagree or not...its what the bible says
Paying of tithe was a commandment coined from the mosaic law which ur scriptures alluded to....
If U are of the belief that abraham paid "tithes",then there must be a laid down law that he was obeying
Remember there was a "commandment" by God to abraham to carry out burnt offerings
There was a "commandment" by God to abraham and his family to be circumcised.....
But there was no commandment from God to Abraham to tithe when he met king melchizedek after rescuing his cousin lot from the hands of the kings!
Remember that there are so many things Abraham did which were good and bad!
But they were not used as principles or law except the one commanded or instructed by God!

oglalasioux:
If that Dangote story ever happened then electric power supply in Nigeria is the best in the world.

Odinz:
For those asking where in the Bible did God said we should pay tithe 'one-tenth' it clearly means you don't know the Bible at all.

Kindly refer to Numbers 18:21-32, Deuteronomy 14:22-29

Further emphasis was laid on tithe in the book of Malachi.

Paying of tithe is a divine ordinance.

No wonder Jesus said "For the sake if your tradition, you have made void the word (law) of God." - Matt. 15:6

I have a question for U....as a tither,do U obey Deuteronomy 14:22-29 to the letter?
is ur tithe a tenth of farm produce and cattles or on incomes like most pastors will make U believe?
Do U eat ur tithe as instructed by 14:22 every year?

Please i need ur honest responses......

Paying of tithe is a divine ordinance.

paying of tithe according to the scriptures U quoted are based on the mosaic law!


Furthermore,Its an outright error and unjust to separate Malachi 3:10 from Deuteronomy 14:22-29...They are related because it talks about a mosaic law based tithe and nothing more!

biggie10:
Rochas Okorocha is busy building statues with hungry tax payers money and creating ministry of happiness. Yet this Frozen Mumu called Freeze is here tackling pastors... A clear case of misplaced priorities. #freethepeople

Freeze has decided to tackle the fraud perpetuated by some pastors and open the eyes of the ignorant who hero worship these minsters more than God!
Since pastors are his main focus why not take up the responsibility of beaming ur searchlight on Governors since U have raised the issue of Governor rochas wasteful and reckless spending of tax payers monies.....
The problem we have in nigeria is that we want others to take responsibility or be at the forefront of an issue while we take a backseat and watch....
Nigeria will never get beta with such mindset!

The end of the woman of steel

What a dreadful mistake by the woman of steel

Loveaflame:
MY HUMBLE REPLY TO MR FREEZE’S BELIEFS ON TITHES AND OTHER ISSUES HE RAISED PART 3


MY HUMBLE REPLY TO MR FREEZE’S BELIEFS ON TITHES AND OTHER ISSUES HE RAISED PART 3


POINT 3: IF YOU PAY TITHE YOU ARE A GOAT


This was a very strong one from him. We need to first and foremost understand the origin of tithe. Tithe did not start with the law. It started before the law. There is this strong belief tithing started when Abraham gave Melchizedek tithe of the spoils from war.


“18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 and blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. AND HE GAVE HIM TITHES OF ALL.” Genesis 14:18-20


The Bible is silent on many issues. Just like the issue of where Cain got his wife from. To the many who look at these verses, they would believe this was the first time Abraham paid tithes. This is not true. He had been paying before even though it was not mentioned here. Abraham must have been familiar with the priest before he could pay such to him.

How did U come to this conclusion.....why would Abraham be commanded to do some thing instructive without a law or even a single ordinance backing it?

He offered sacrifices following the instruction of God!
Abraham and his family were circumcised for them to receive blessings that was promised to them!
Where was it stated that he was under a commandment to give a tenth of war spoils to the king Melchizedek?
Why seek to intentionally add what has never written all because U want to insist On tithe payment from believers?
This obvious errors from some believers and ministers of the gospel are the reasons why its easy for faint hearted believers to become atheists or convert into islam!

Explicitly....Abraham was commanded to offer burnt offerings ....he was also to observe circumcision with his entire family....
These two laws were commanded by God to Abraham and his entire family to observe BEFORE THE LAW(Genesis 17:1-14;15)
Please where in Genesis was Abraham and his family commanded to tithe....Whats the law and format of tithes before the law of moses?
Can it be proven with scriptures before the mosaic law?


Some one said...we are to FOLLOW THE DEEDS of Abraham....in clear terms,Do what Abraham did according to tithers....both the Good and the bad!
Why pick out just that particular encounter in Genesis 14 but leave out the part where he committed adultery or lied or offered burnt offerings..?
Does that then mean Christians are now mandated to commit adultery,lie and offer burnt offering simple because it was the deed of Abraham?

And if indeed tithers believe tithing predated the law and its a spiritual principle,where is the platform or pattern? Not even a single law that directs or mandates Abraham and his family to "tithe"!

How do U defend a principle without a laid down law....not even a single instruction from God
All i keep hearing from most tithers is that it is a spiritual principle.....In other words,according to them,IT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DEFENDED USING THE SCRIPTURE!!

It will also be totally erroneous to equate malachi 3:10-12 with Genesis 14 after tithers had declared their tithe practices predated the law...in other words...the law and covenants of the mosaic law can not be applied!

Osezua:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8ycSJyh9U&t=1261s Daddy Freeze Selfish Hidden Agenda On Tithing

really?
So is he saying Mr freeze knows the scriptures far more than him?