₦airaland Forum

OfoIgbo:
But the emir of Ilorin is the constitutionally recognised traditional ruler of Ilorin

How does this change the ethnic identities of Ilorin sir?


If you go to Ilorin and stay for a week, you will see that the city share more in similarities with Ibadan, Ogbomosho ,Iseyin than Gwandu, Sokoto or Funtua.

The Emir of Ilorin is sustained by politics. An average person on the street in Ilorin will be surprised if you ask him who is the Emir of Ilorin (I am surprised that some illiterate ones don't even know the title exist!) because everybody call him, Oba Ilorin.

Like in other Yoruba cities, the traditional market beside the palace in Ilorin is called 'Oja Oba'


In any case, the people of Ilorin (except may be the Families of Afonja and Alimi) seems happy with the ways they are and everybody see each other as fellow Ilorin guys.

The place is a peaceful and lovely city with good road networks and low cost of living.

Zeinymira:
The Muslim women who did where not allowed to. I know many. If you're Yoruba, you would too, that's if you're honest.
Sure, it's forbidden in Islam for a non-Muslim
to marry a Muslim woman and for a good reason too. But like all forbidden things, people still do it. A Muslim man who marries a non-Muslim woman is commanded to respect her faith, he can not force her to convert. There is no such verse in Christianity or other religions that commanded a Christian man to marry non-Christian ladies nor respect her faith. She won't even enjoy such mercy. She would go from Ruqayyah to Rebecca.

1) You need to know that Christianity is about the teaching of Christ.

2) Christ didn't mention who a Christian should marry or not marry.

3) Christianity started before Islam, so there's no where Christ or any of the apostles mentioned whether Christians should marry Muslims or not.

4) Individual Christians and their families answer the questions themselves.

5) In Yorubaland, most people are actually only nominal Christians or Muslims. Their ways of life is more shaped by the Yoruba culture than religion.

6) The direction of convertion of imported Abrahamic religions is more of Islam-> Christianity for both genders.

One religious and elderly man in Ila-Oragun whose wealthy Newphews despite their convertion from Islam to Christianity were taking good care of, explained it to me that; it's difficult to faithfully follow the tenets of Islam and that youths tend to find it cumbersome.

Vado:
Mention one Yoruba Muslim woman married to a Christian man among all these public servants Mr Yoruba are tolerant. I’ll wait...

You may not know the religious backgrounds of many people in the SW.

OfoIgbo:
So haven't you noticed that for more than 200 years now, there has not been an OBA in Ilorin.
And every emir of Ilorin had or has Fulani blood
And that Ilorin is a vassal of the Fulani Sokoto caliphate

Oba and Emir are posts occupied by individuals,they don't define ethnic identities or compositions of the whole town.

Sokoto Caliphate ended in 1903 when Caliph Attahiru and his soldiers were killed and the British conquered their country to incorporate it into Nigeria.

You also need to understand that there's no State in Nigeria where the Fulanis are the majority ethnic group, not even in Sokoto, not in Kano , Katsina and definitely not in Kwara.

Buckeyemedia1:
The RMFAC should also review their distribution process, Local Governments should keep 60% of their revenue, whilst the states get 30%, FG 10%, not the present wayo States 50%, Local Governments 35%, FG 15%.

In true Federalism, there's nothing concerning RMFAC with Local Gov'ts.


Local Gov'ts are agaents of the States to bring development to the grass roots and should NOT be used as a vehicle for sharing revenues.

Before the 1976 military imposed reform of Local Gov't administration, each Region/State created the number of Local Gov'ts they wanted and financed them.

OfoIgbo:
You could have fooled me

Alimi was also a Yoruba man and Afonja was Fulani.

Every emirate that is subjected to the Sokoto caliphate is ruled by a Fulani emir

Alimi and Afonja story was over 200 years old. It's naive to assume that things remain the ways they were in 1810.



The guy is correct because it's very difficult to see true Fulanis in Ilorin. What you are going to see are Yorubas with PARTIAL FULANI ANCESTRIES due to centuries of inter-tribal marriages and cultural assimilation.

Liebermantic:
Are Sarakis And Alimi's Yoruba?
Bearing Yoruba names doesn't change their ethnicity.... FULANI

In present day Ilorin, ethnicity is more or less an ill-defined political classification because most Indigenes of Ilorin are now mixtures of Yoruba, Fulanis, Nupe and even Kanuris to varying degrees.

Mrexcell:
Self determination is a fundamental human rights of every ethnic group in the world nigeria is a signatory to the UN charter on self determination so the UN is obligated to help indigenous people anywhere when they demands for it.

This is why you get scammed easily by the IPOB.


The United Nations doesn't organize referenda for ethnic groups that want to break-away from their current countries.

Mrexcell:
Freedom fighting is a marathon race it might take some time to achieve but surely it will definitely come to pass some day. It took the Netherlands over 80yrs of conflicts to finally break out from Spain ipob may not be doing the right things now to achieve biafra but they are definitely speaking the minds of over 90% of igbos world wide if the fulani nigerian state don't agree to this fact they should be reasonable and descent enough to agree to a UN organized referudum vote in igboland to put this age long agitation to a final rest.

Can you please point out the sections in the UN charter that give it the authority to stroll into a sovereign country and start conducting a referendum for anyparts that wants to break-away.

Emergingnation:
Ab0ki, Biafra has come to stay, your online wailing , ranting change nothing...

But it's limited to it's existence as an online countrty

paramakina202:
Asari great grandfather was an Igboman from Abam in Abia state and the reason he goes with Igbo warrior title of Ediabali. Asari himself has said it several times.
The Yoruba migrants were accomodated by indigenous Igbo community they met on the ground the reason they speak both Igbo and a Yoruba dialect.

So Asari Dokubu, a past president of Ijaw Youth Congress (IYC) who once declared that Igbos were
slaves of the Ijaws is an Igboman?

BKayy:
Even people that claims they have the highest population by state.
Now the VAT on telecoms will prove them right or wrong if this works. They will have to explain how they contribute high VAT when the FG was in charge but fail to sustain themselves when it was desolved to state level.
You now see why the North is worried. Most especially Kano

Kano will do fine, ever far better than the amount of VAT they are presently getting because they will start imposing Tax on Cattles, onions, beans, rice, corn, millets leaving the State for other parts of the country.
Zamfara will do very well if they can solve the problems of armed Banditry by turning the Bandits into REGISTERED artisinal miners with known addresses, sureties and bank details who will be paid a percentage of the the solid minerals they are able to dig from the ground using modern equipments.

Zamfara and Osun Stated can incorporate Mining Companies which will apply for mining licenses from the FG and pay royalties to the FG.

BKayy:
Then the states shouldn't have existed in the first place.
One thing for sure if this VAT work will be reassessment of the Vat statistics. Then you will realise that most states are empty because the statistics will now come from the state directly.

Every State has peoples consuming goods and services that can be taxed e.g for every trailer load of wooden planks, Cocoa, Kolanuts, granites or crates of eggs leaving Osun State, a specified amount of money will be paid as tax to Gov't.

IgiveLadiesBj:

Why are you still in Naija with me?

BettyKeys is still in Nigeria because she doesn't want to leave her husband and family who are living in Nigeria.

DubaiLandLord:
Lol

By the time most states in the North and South can't pay salaries, I hope you won't
be one of the people screaming to the FG, for them(FG) to bail them(Unviable states) out.

I'm also in support of States keeping 100% of there VATs. But, it shouldn't be done in such a hasty way.

If these States can't pay salaries then they should reduce their workforce to around 2000 civil servants that they can pay for. The rest can be transferred to other businesses like Agriculture, mining and other ventures.


With time, each State will start demanding the right to mine their resources, develop them and sell to raise money.



***Welcome to the era of restructuring.

BKayy:
Then why is it only the North that is complaining despite the statistics that put them as the population and economic hub of Nigeria?
Incase you have forgotten, Nigerian statistics put North at 75m people

It's more of a stereotypic mindset.

Many Northerners wrongly assume that any proposed change to the structural, political and/or economic situations in this country is inspired by hatred for the North and they always try to resist such changes.

Thermodynamics:
States de collect VAT Lagos sef wan still de collect VAT, Lagos when the whole Nigeria de feed. Lagos is a metropolitan city that was built by the entire Country. There is nothing special about the place, if not for sea port, Lagos for be like Ogun or Abia, there are sea ports in Calabar, Warri and Port Harcourt, but in a bid to make Lagos the center of attraction, the federal government refuse to grant license to the sea ports in Niger Delta.

I support that each start should collect their VAT but Lagos nor join, Lagos is for the entire Country. The state nor even get any resources, unlike Rivers State which has an intrinsic value.

The Lagos House of Assembly have passed the VAT law. You can challenge this law in court

Ekakamba:

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This is what happens when you get married to an intellect (both gender). I think Gov. Wike's wife with the help of her colleagues notifies her husband about these VAT loopholes and how to turn them around for the State's benefit.

I might be wrong though.

They have been legal fireworks since 2011 about VAT in this country when LASG took the matter to court.

SecretReporter:
your children will be definitely ashamed of you

Mr Tega, why did you say this?

FreeStuffsNG:
Same thing NDLEA is doing well here too. It's just a shame that Chika Ozuma learnt the hard way as she's not going to see her family, friends and acquitances again at least for about the next 10 years after which she will be deported to Nigeria.
She's done for and I hope many others will learn that crime does not pay.

This is touching!

Chika, why? Why? Why?

techwaya:
Yoruba's still believe Nigeria can work.I don't really blame them because they have never being persecuted for their ethnicity unlike igbos who have have being killed in millions just because they are Igbo..

What of Tiv, Idoma, Igala, Nupe, Urhobo, Gbagyi, Jukun, Chamba or Kanuri? Do they believe in One Nigeria or what should they do?

The most important questions that you need to ask;

1) Which territory with clear, unambiguous and universally acceptable boundaries is the Referendum for?
a) The Former Old Eastern Region which didn't include Delta and Edo States

b) The Five States of the S/East

c) Anywhere Igbos live

2) if (c) above, then who is an Igbo and who is not?

3) Who is going to conduct the referendum?

4) From where is the money for the conduct of the referendum coming from?

* Budgetary allocations from Nigeria's budget

* Donations from those asking for the referendum.

5) Who is eligible to vote in the referendum?

*Anybody regardless of tribes living in the S/East?
* All citizens in the SE/SS
* Igbos irrespective of where they live

6) What are the questions on the ballot?

a) Biafrans
b) Nigeria
c) Your own country which is neither Nigeria or Biafra

7) Who has the authority to demand for the referendum?

a) Unelected groups or any pressure group e.g IPOB, MASSOB

b) Elected Governors of the States

c) Elected Legislators from the areas.

Who has the authority to order for the referendum?

a) President
b) National Assembly
c) Both a) and b) above.

FakeUnity:
So you want me as a progressive Biafran to wait for 10,000 years till your crude and unprogressive pro-talibanic abokeys up north start thinking like progressive humans before my people can take hold of their destiny 100%?
Your argument holds no water.

My statement has nothing to do with whether Nigeria should disintegrate or not but just stating the obvious facts.


* No country is good or bad on its own. Humanbeings living in the country make it what it is.

* The state of development of Nigeria is a summary of the actions and in-actions of ALL Nigerians.
Most black people have difficulties in accepting responsibilities for their actions and love to look for who to blame.
Most times, they blame the Devil but sometimes they blame their village people, step-mothers, Government or the other tribes.


*If the people that will be in these new Utopian countries still have the same mindsets and attitudes, the countries won't still be first world countries.

Ballmer:
Imagine the clown stating Abuja will be the second highest earner on the list but no able to state where any is against Abuja keep it VAT to itself. I just do not understand, why should Abuja be sharing it VAT to Zamfara ?

Zamfara n Bornu should start taxing bandits n boko haram to shore up their on VAT generation now. Na where person de work him de chop.

In reality, with little money to share, Boko Haramism and Banditry will reduce drastically.


In the First Republic, when every Region was feeding itself, there was no agitations from groups like these demanding to be paid for killing people and destroying properties.

If we are practicing true Federalism, all these groups will fizzle out.


The Billions of dollars that have been spent fighting Boko Haram since 2009 is enough to build a brand new country from the scratch.

Ibkhaleel01:
Unjust hatred for people will consume you. We see the obvious in the very hilarious VAT battle that is happening. I just dey observe.
Many supported Governor Wike's decision to be collecting VAT because they say "the North contributes nothing and they want to be collecting". But if they know their facts they will understand that they are digging a hole for themselves. They will realize it is all of us that will suffer when States collect VAT.
First of all, after Lagos, the next place that contributes the highest VAT (20%) is the FCT which is in the North. Yes this is followed by Rivers at 6% but Kano is next with 5% and this is followed by Kaduna. So no, it is not as you have been misinformed. The only special case is Lagos. So your State will suffer. Even Lagos will suffer with much more people migrating there. When resources are shared among Federating Units, it is shallow to always think it is injustice. Give Lagos 100% of it's VAT, Mukaila from Sokoto, Chinedu from Aba and even Lasisi from Osun will all migrate there. So what is the point again?
Secondly, in the federal system, companies with less than 25 million were not VATable. You think you are doing Northerners but your company will become VATable once Wike's law is replicated in your State. Why do you think commercially massive States like Abia and Anambra do not top the list of VAT contributors? Because those boys in the market were not exactly VATable, wait until what you are blindly supporting takes effect. VAT will be collected like motor park tickets. Then you will see where hate has led you.
Third, people will most likely pay VAT twice across different states with different laws because Wike does not know what is input and output VAT and did not listen to Nojeem Olasubomi Yusuf and others who politely asked him about it.
Some have even termed Wike the leader of restructuring in Nigeria. A gullible people in search of heroes. Being used and misled by every opportunist. Stop allowing yourself to be used by politicians to settle their personal scores while they tell you they are fighting for your interest.
You need to first know what your interest is to know who is actually fighting for or against it

Change is inevitable in any human society. It's very wrong to assume that every proposed change in Nigeria is inspired by hatred for the North and the Northerners must resist it in order to maintain the status quo.


As we decentralize the collection of VAT, certain problems will crop up and we will learn how to over come them.

The assumption that more people will flock to Lagos because of more revenues is actually wrong. On the contrary, the new arrangements will force POSITIVE economic reforms in other presently docile States. For instance, Zamfara and Katsina States with dwindling resources look inwards and start massive investments in their agricultural potentials with the aims of generating revenues through Taxes collected on Cattles, Tomatoes, Rice, Onions, Beans etc

Instead of agitating for regular payments for Bandits (codedly put out as ammnesty for Bandits), these young men destroying lives and properties will be economically engaged as revenues collectors, modern farmers, Agricultural extension workers , produce exporters etc.


In Osun and Ondo States, there will be more investment in Cocoa,Timber , Kolanuts, cassava and Poultry businesses.

Ekiti, Kogi and Ondo have massive rocks that can serve as raw materials for ceramics, glass and cement industries.

There's no State that can't survive on it's own if they are force to put on their thinking caps.

Ibkhaleel01:
When you see the Southern governors, politicians, elders, elites, traditional rulers, cashivists, freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets & their hate doped retards on social media especially those from the Niger Delta talk about restructuring & resource control, you will think they genuinely love Nigeria & their region.
Sure No!
What they want is more money, more power & more control over the money without no one querying them.
Those governors, politicians, elders, elites, traditional rulers, cashivists & freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets that swallowed the 6 trillion naira in NDDC over the past 18 years meant to develop the Niger Delta in addition to squandering trillions of naira & billions of dollars that accrued to Niger Delta from federal statutory allocations, 13% derivation funds, ecological funds, Ministry of Niger Delta funds, taxes, royalties rents etc with only poverty, deprivation & backwardness to show for it every 4 years are the same governors, politicians, elders, elites, cashivists & freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets that will manage a restructured Niger Delta controlling all the resources there.
If they truly want restructuring, they would have welcomed & implemented by now Buhari's executive orders granting financial autonomy to local governments, state houses of assembly & state judiciaries instead of rejecting it & going to court to challenge the orders.
Those that are fighting for restructuring don't want independent local governments, state houses of assemby & state judiciaries because these are arms & organs of government, that if truly independent, will effectively check the excesses of the state governors & those embezzling the resources of the states in the region.
Those governors, politicians, elders, elites, traditional rulers, cashivists & freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets that want resource control are not ready to invest the billions of naira & dollars they stole from Nigeria & Niger Delta in prospecting for oil & building the massive oil infrastructures required to explore, manage, store & transport crude oil & gas.
That's why at the expiration of the oil leases held by some Nigerians & foreign companies, Buhari refused to renew them but rather passed the opportunity to own them to states so that they can control the resources & use the huge profits to better the lot of citizens of their states.
Many states in the Niger Delta & their governors, politicians, elites, elders, cashivists, freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets rejected the opportunity because it involves huge investments & rather opted to sell this opportunity of thier states owning these oil blocks to private individuals & firms for immediate cash from 10% commisions, kickbacks & convenient taxes.
They don't want the restructuring & resources control that will give the states more responsibilities, that will benefit their people or promote transparency, growth & development in their region. What they want is the restructuring that will give them more powers, more control & more money to squander.
That's why they talk about devolution of powers to states that will allow the governors absolute powers to make decisions on a lot more wide range of portfolios presently under the purview of the federal government.
That's why they are appropriating to themselves through their zombified state assemblies the powers to collect all taxes in their states including VAT.
That's why they are rejecting financial autonomy to local governments, state assemblies & state judiciary so that they can have the additional local government billions of naira to squander, pass any selfish law they want & obtain any court order they want against their opponents while eliminating scrutiny from the same institutions constitutionally empowered to query & sanction them.
That's why they are bent on having state police to intimidate, brutalize & put away any opponent or dissenting voice.
Sadly, the citizens of these states have their brains & minds so wickedly twisted by the ethno-religious hate opium they are doped daily & can no more comprehend who their enemies are.
A pathetic shame indeed!!

This lengthly epistle is very irrelevant to the subject matter under discussion.


Let each State collect VAT in their State.

This will be a win-win for all.


There's no State that has nothing to tax.

FakeUnity:
nigeria can never progress, the earlier wr dissociate from the power hungry foolanis and north, the better for everyone.

Even after the separation, the new country will still be having developmental challenges.


The real reason why Nigeria, just like the rest of Africa isn't a first world country is because of the ways we think.

If we have Oduduwa or Biafra countries that are still peopled by the same people presently in Nigeria, there will still be problems.

proeast:
You're absolutely ignorant!

Lagos has been the capital of Nigeria since amalgamation in the 1800's and most investments by both federal government, foreigners and all Nigerians have been channeled there.

Who is talking about ibadan? The world's largest slum settlement and a dead zone?! Building a television station before France is just fantasy, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Where is France today and where is ibadan today? Where was Dubai yesterday and where is Dubai today??

Dey there make pant dey wear you!!

Where did you read about 'almagamation of Nigeria in the 1800s?'

ibechris:
There are three oil producing states in the east currently,one is the richest when it comes to business and entrepreneurship in Nigeria.
The picture does not explain the reality on ground.

What now explain the reality on ground sir?


What is the total budget, IGR and GDP of Anambra State?

Grupo:
Lol. You are naive.

Without one Nigeria, most of the companies that are in Lagos boosting Lagos IGR will not be there.

IOCs will not have their headquarters in Lagos. Their headquarters will be in Biafra.

Most multinationals will not have their headquarters in Lagos.

Most importantly, Lagos seaport wouldn't have been the only one in the country.

You are very naive.


1) Most International Oil Companies (IOCs) pay their taxes to the FG, not States.

2) Personal Income Tax which every working adult is expected to pay are paid to the States where they LIVE.

3) What is Biafra? Which territories constitute Biafra?
If there's no Nigeria, companies operating in each countrty will have their HQs in the country.
Any company operating in Lagos by then will still have it's HQs there and any company operating in Port Harcourt, Calabar or Awka will have their HQs there.

Princedapace:
one thing u will know is that South easteners will survive.. lol

They will. Forget the IGR stuff. They will survive.

They are socially enterpricing unlike the north. The north will suffer more.

Also, if there is more decentralization and seaports are working in other regions, it will cause more decentralized economy.

This is the right way to go. The current system centalized the economy to south west a lot.

Other Seaports are working well sir.

Just recently, Onne Port, Rivers State received the largest ocean liner that ever berthed in Nigeria

joyandfaith:
I never come across that he wanted yoruba nation.
Thanks for the correction.

Actually what Awo and the Action Group demanded was the inclusion of secession clause in the Independence constitution such that after 25years of nationhood, any part that's not satisfied can can secceed peacefully after meeting certain laid down criteria.

Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe (possibly because of his American background) and most of the NCNC/Igbo leaders felt Nigeria will be a great country if we have a large land mass with huge population.

The British wanted Nigeria to remain one, not out of love or hope for the greatness of Nigeria but because they prefer a weak and amorphous country led by the North.