₦airaland Forum

FreeStuffsNG:
Same thing NDLEA is doing well here too. It's just a shame that Chika Ozuma learnt the hard way as she's not going to see her family, friends and acquitances again at least for about the next 10 years after which she will be deported to Nigeria.
She's done for and I hope many others will learn that crime does not pay.

This is touching!

Chika, why? Why? Why?

techwaya:
Yoruba's still believe Nigeria can work.I don't really blame them because they have never being persecuted for their ethnicity unlike igbos who have have being killed in millions just because they are Igbo..

What of Tiv, Idoma, Igala, Nupe, Urhobo, Gbagyi, Jukun, Chamba or Kanuri? Do they believe in One Nigeria or what should they do?

The most important questions that you need to ask;

1) Which territory with clear, unambiguous and universally acceptable boundaries is the Referendum for?
a) The Former Old Eastern Region which didn't include Delta and Edo States

b) The Five States of the S/East

c) Anywhere Igbos live

2) if (c) above, then who is an Igbo and who is not?

3) Who is going to conduct the referendum?

4) From where is the money for the conduct of the referendum coming from?

* Budgetary allocations from Nigeria's budget

* Donations from those asking for the referendum.

5) Who is eligible to vote in the referendum?

*Anybody regardless of tribes living in the S/East?
* All citizens in the SE/SS
* Igbos irrespective of where they live

6) What are the questions on the ballot?

a) Biafrans
b) Nigeria
c) Your own country which is neither Nigeria or Biafra

7) Who has the authority to demand for the referendum?

a) Unelected groups or any pressure group e.g IPOB, MASSOB

b) Elected Governors of the States

c) Elected Legislators from the areas.

Who has the authority to order for the referendum?

a) President
b) National Assembly
c) Both a) and b) above.

FakeUnity:
So you want me as a progressive Biafran to wait for 10,000 years till your crude and unprogressive pro-talibanic abokeys up north start thinking like progressive humans before my people can take hold of their destiny 100%?
Your argument holds no water.

My statement has nothing to do with whether Nigeria should disintegrate or not but just stating the obvious facts.


* No country is good or bad on its own. Humanbeings living in the country make it what it is.

* The state of development of Nigeria is a summary of the actions and in-actions of ALL Nigerians.
Most black people have difficulties in accepting responsibilities for their actions and love to look for who to blame.
Most times, they blame the Devil but sometimes they blame their village people, step-mothers, Government or the other tribes.


*If the people that will be in these new Utopian countries still have the same mindsets and attitudes, the countries won't still be first world countries.

Ballmer:
Imagine the clown stating Abuja will be the second highest earner on the list but no able to state where any is against Abuja keep it VAT to itself. I just do not understand, why should Abuja be sharing it VAT to Zamfara ?

Zamfara n Bornu should start taxing bandits n boko haram to shore up their on VAT generation now. Na where person de work him de chop.

In reality, with little money to share, Boko Haramism and Banditry will reduce drastically.


In the First Republic, when every Region was feeding itself, there was no agitations from groups like these demanding to be paid for killing people and destroying properties.

If we are practicing true Federalism, all these groups will fizzle out.


The Billions of dollars that have been spent fighting Boko Haram since 2009 is enough to build a brand new country from the scratch.

Ibkhaleel01:
Unjust hatred for people will consume you. We see the obvious in the very hilarious VAT battle that is happening. I just dey observe.
Many supported Governor Wike's decision to be collecting VAT because they say "the North contributes nothing and they want to be collecting". But if they know their facts they will understand that they are digging a hole for themselves. They will realize it is all of us that will suffer when States collect VAT.
First of all, after Lagos, the next place that contributes the highest VAT (20%) is the FCT which is in the North. Yes this is followed by Rivers at 6% but Kano is next with 5% and this is followed by Kaduna. So no, it is not as you have been misinformed. The only special case is Lagos. So your State will suffer. Even Lagos will suffer with much more people migrating there. When resources are shared among Federating Units, it is shallow to always think it is injustice. Give Lagos 100% of it's VAT, Mukaila from Sokoto, Chinedu from Aba and even Lasisi from Osun will all migrate there. So what is the point again?
Secondly, in the federal system, companies with less than 25 million were not VATable. You think you are doing Northerners but your company will become VATable once Wike's law is replicated in your State. Why do you think commercially massive States like Abia and Anambra do not top the list of VAT contributors? Because those boys in the market were not exactly VATable, wait until what you are blindly supporting takes effect. VAT will be collected like motor park tickets. Then you will see where hate has led you.
Third, people will most likely pay VAT twice across different states with different laws because Wike does not know what is input and output VAT and did not listen to Nojeem Olasubomi Yusuf and others who politely asked him about it.
Some have even termed Wike the leader of restructuring in Nigeria. A gullible people in search of heroes. Being used and misled by every opportunist. Stop allowing yourself to be used by politicians to settle their personal scores while they tell you they are fighting for your interest.
You need to first know what your interest is to know who is actually fighting for or against it

Change is inevitable in any human society. It's very wrong to assume that every proposed change in Nigeria is inspired by hatred for the North and the Northerners must resist it in order to maintain the status quo.


As we decentralize the collection of VAT, certain problems will crop up and we will learn how to over come them.

The assumption that more people will flock to Lagos because of more revenues is actually wrong. On the contrary, the new arrangements will force POSITIVE economic reforms in other presently docile States. For instance, Zamfara and Katsina States with dwindling resources look inwards and start massive investments in their agricultural potentials with the aims of generating revenues through Taxes collected on Cattles, Tomatoes, Rice, Onions, Beans etc

Instead of agitating for regular payments for Bandits (codedly put out as ammnesty for Bandits), these young men destroying lives and properties will be economically engaged as revenues collectors, modern farmers, Agricultural extension workers , produce exporters etc.


In Osun and Ondo States, there will be more investment in Cocoa,Timber , Kolanuts, cassava and Poultry businesses.

Ekiti, Kogi and Ondo have massive rocks that can serve as raw materials for ceramics, glass and cement industries.

There's no State that can't survive on it's own if they are force to put on their thinking caps.

Ibkhaleel01:
When you see the Southern governors, politicians, elders, elites, traditional rulers, cashivists, freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets & their hate doped retards on social media especially those from the Niger Delta talk about restructuring & resource control, you will think they genuinely love Nigeria & their region.
Sure No!
What they want is more money, more power & more control over the money without no one querying them.
Those governors, politicians, elders, elites, traditional rulers, cashivists & freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets that swallowed the 6 trillion naira in NDDC over the past 18 years meant to develop the Niger Delta in addition to squandering trillions of naira & billions of dollars that accrued to Niger Delta from federal statutory allocations, 13% derivation funds, ecological funds, Ministry of Niger Delta funds, taxes, royalties rents etc with only poverty, deprivation & backwardness to show for it every 4 years are the same governors, politicians, elders, elites, cashivists & freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets that will manage a restructured Niger Delta controlling all the resources there.
If they truly want restructuring, they would have welcomed & implemented by now Buhari's executive orders granting financial autonomy to local governments, state houses of assembly & state judiciaries instead of rejecting it & going to court to challenge the orders.
Those that are fighting for restructuring don't want independent local governments, state houses of assemby & state judiciaries because these are arms & organs of government, that if truly independent, will effectively check the excesses of the state governors & those embezzling the resources of the states in the region.
Those governors, politicians, elders, elites, traditional rulers, cashivists & freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets that want resource control are not ready to invest the billions of naira & dollars they stole from Nigeria & Niger Delta in prospecting for oil & building the massive oil infrastructures required to explore, manage, store & transport crude oil & gas.
That's why at the expiration of the oil leases held by some Nigerians & foreign companies, Buhari refused to renew them but rather passed the opportunity to own them to states so that they can control the resources & use the huge profits to better the lot of citizens of their states.
Many states in the Niger Delta & their governors, politicians, elites, elders, cashivists, freedom fighters fighting for their private pockets rejected the opportunity because it involves huge investments & rather opted to sell this opportunity of thier states owning these oil blocks to private individuals & firms for immediate cash from 10% commisions, kickbacks & convenient taxes.
They don't want the restructuring & resources control that will give the states more responsibilities, that will benefit their people or promote transparency, growth & development in their region. What they want is the restructuring that will give them more powers, more control & more money to squander.
That's why they talk about devolution of powers to states that will allow the governors absolute powers to make decisions on a lot more wide range of portfolios presently under the purview of the federal government.
That's why they are appropriating to themselves through their zombified state assemblies the powers to collect all taxes in their states including VAT.
That's why they are rejecting financial autonomy to local governments, state assemblies & state judiciary so that they can have the additional local government billions of naira to squander, pass any selfish law they want & obtain any court order they want against their opponents while eliminating scrutiny from the same institutions constitutionally empowered to query & sanction them.
That's why they are bent on having state police to intimidate, brutalize & put away any opponent or dissenting voice.
Sadly, the citizens of these states have their brains & minds so wickedly twisted by the ethno-religious hate opium they are doped daily & can no more comprehend who their enemies are.
A pathetic shame indeed!!

This lengthly epistle is very irrelevant to the subject matter under discussion.


Let each State collect VAT in their State.

This will be a win-win for all.


There's no State that has nothing to tax.

FakeUnity:
nigeria can never progress, the earlier wr dissociate from the power hungry foolanis and north, the better for everyone.

Even after the separation, the new country will still be having developmental challenges.


The real reason why Nigeria, just like the rest of Africa isn't a first world country is because of the ways we think.

If we have Oduduwa or Biafra countries that are still peopled by the same people presently in Nigeria, there will still be problems.

proeast:
You're absolutely ignorant!

Lagos has been the capital of Nigeria since amalgamation in the 1800's and most investments by both federal government, foreigners and all Nigerians have been channeled there.

Who is talking about ibadan? The world's largest slum settlement and a dead zone?! Building a television station before France is just fantasy, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Where is France today and where is ibadan today? Where was Dubai yesterday and where is Dubai today??

Dey there make pant dey wear you!!

Where did you read about 'almagamation of Nigeria in the 1800s?'

ibechris:
There are three oil producing states in the east currently,one is the richest when it comes to business and entrepreneurship in Nigeria.
The picture does not explain the reality on ground.

What now explain the reality on ground sir?


What is the total budget, IGR and GDP of Anambra State?

Grupo:
Lol. You are naive.

Without one Nigeria, most of the companies that are in Lagos boosting Lagos IGR will not be there.

IOCs will not have their headquarters in Lagos. Their headquarters will be in Biafra.

Most multinationals will not have their headquarters in Lagos.

Most importantly, Lagos seaport wouldn't have been the only one in the country.

You are very naive.


1) Most International Oil Companies (IOCs) pay their taxes to the FG, not States.

2) Personal Income Tax which every working adult is expected to pay are paid to the States where they LIVE.

3) What is Biafra? Which territories constitute Biafra?
If there's no Nigeria, companies operating in each countrty will have their HQs in the country.
Any company operating in Lagos by then will still have it's HQs there and any company operating in Port Harcourt, Calabar or Awka will have their HQs there.

Princedapace:
one thing u will know is that South easteners will survive.. lol

They will. Forget the IGR stuff. They will survive.

They are socially enterpricing unlike the north. The north will suffer more.

Also, if there is more decentralization and seaports are working in other regions, it will cause more decentralized economy.

This is the right way to go. The current system centalized the economy to south west a lot.

Other Seaports are working well sir.

Just recently, Onne Port, Rivers State received the largest ocean liner that ever berthed in Nigeria

joyandfaith:
I never come across that he wanted yoruba nation.
Thanks for the correction.

Actually what Awo and the Action Group demanded was the inclusion of secession clause in the Independence constitution such that after 25years of nationhood, any part that's not satisfied can can secceed peacefully after meeting certain laid down criteria.

Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe (possibly because of his American background) and most of the NCNC/Igbo leaders felt Nigeria will be a great country if we have a large land mass with huge population.

The British wanted Nigeria to remain one, not out of love or hope for the greatness of Nigeria but because they prefer a weak and amorphous country led by the North.

OfoIgbo:
And the funny thing is that about half of the Lagos IGR is being provided by SEners, and about 70% of Rivers state IGR is being provided by SEners also.

Proper economic planning and the installation of seaports at Oseakwa in Anambra and Obuaku in Abia, will quadruple the IGR of the SE states.

Adding Igbo areas in the SS stretching from Obigbo, to Opobo and Ubani, to Ogwashiuku to the SE will further help the Igbo economy.

Igbos will automatically be bestowed with the title of states with the largest IGRs

I know that infantile wailing will soon start

iamtardey:
Na this man davido resemble

So person no fit resemble his uncle in peace again?

Tobianojoel:
Are you really okay? I live in Ede and people here have never for once seen him as half Igbo. This is a patriarch society. Wake up ode!

Don't mind him, even their Igbo mum has been 'Yorubanized' and she is now an Iya-adura , a prophetess in a white garment church.

peeps4u:
I'm not an APC fan, but hasn't Oyetola been doing fairly well in osun?
I think he is paying full salary and doing some road constructions in many towns. Went to Ipetu sometimes this year, saw the roads he did, he is doing some in Modakeke and few other towns like that.

Considering the meagre resources at the state's disposal, I wouldn't score him bad, to be honest.

I prefer PDP govt to APC, but I really will want to know where Oyeyola is doing it wrong that I dont know please.

Thanks

We must change incompetent Leadership.

Oyetola is not performing well and lacks economic blue prints to increase the revenues of the State. Payment of salaries is not an achievement sir

Biodun556:


Zamfara is full of gold and iron ore nothing or little is done about it

Bandits are controlling the mining sites of Zamfara.

vedaxcool:
Wike is obviously lying and mobilising tribalism/ sectionalism. FIRS does not share the money, it is the Ministry of Finance that does so. There is a clear sharing arrangement on how much the government has to share to the States, there is also a clear sharing formula on how much each state will get. The ministry cannot arbitrarily decide to give money to one State when there's over 30 useless hungry states waiting to eat from the collection of suffering of states who make tangible efforts to generate VAT.

Whoever is doing the sharing is immaterial.

Let us allow each State to collect their own VAT and spend for their people.

ALL States have land with people living there that can be taxed to increase their VAT coverage. The fear that some states will go bankrupt is unfounded.

kufre2010:
Shehu of Bornu is Kanuri title and not Islamic or FULANI

Kanem/ Bornu empire was there before Fulanis invasion or Jihad led by Usman Dan Fodio

Sheu is the local rendition of the Arabic word for a religious scribe, Sheik.

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian from the south, I think we southerners are been insensitive with our decision to collect VAT directly to our respective states. The north on record once financed the economy of Nigeria with agriculture and other resources before the discovery of oil in the south. Is this the best way to pay back the north for all their sacrifices for our dear nation? How can we expect a northern region ravaged by banditry and terrorism to generate huge VAT like our peaceful South? Why can't we be our brothers keeper for the sake of the survival of our dear country? It amazes me that a southern region dominated by we Christians fails to follow the bible comandment of loving our neighbors as ourselves. Its unfortunate that we are letting greed becloud our sense of jugdement on this matter. I would advice the federal government to use Veto power to over rule any court judgment on state collection of VAT. Any state that insist on collecting VAT should have their governor removed through state of emergency. Nonsense

The Southern States need theur VAT to reconstruct their States following the havocs wrecked in their States by the killer Herdsmen.

airminem:
I agree with the governor but i don't agree with Sahara reporters.

This Status quo is limiting the realization of the potentials of this country, including the North.

Gombe should look inwards and starts collecting tax from her citizens instead of relying on the taxes collected from Lagos, FCT, Rivers and Kano.

blamingthedevil:
More than half of Nigeria’s VAT comes from Lagos



Speaking at the parley between the federal government and progressive governors forum (PGF) in Abuja on Tuesday, Adeosun said the 87 percent of Nigeria’s VAT is derived from four states and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT).

In other words, only 13 percent of Nigeria’s VAT comes from 32 other states in the federation.

According to her no country in the world with high tax compliance rate is poor, and no rich country has a low tax compliance rate.

Quoting current VAT collection data across Nigeria, the minister said “55% of Nigeria’s VAT is collected in Lagos State. 20% in FCT, 6% in Rivers, 5% in Kano, 1% in Kaduna”.

“I’m hoping that one day Finance Commissioners will stop needing to come to Abuja monthly to share FAAC, because IGR (internally generated revenue) will be sufficient.”

Lagos-55%
FCT-20%
Rivers-6%
Kano-5%
Kaduna-1%

https://www.thecable.ng/adeosun-half-nigerias-vat-comes-lagos

Where are the values for the five S/Eastern States for you to make such unsubstantiated claim?

What if the VAT collected from the S/East is equal to 3%?

Soulsymbol99:
If igbos who r known for business decides 2 leave kano and Lagos the vat of both states will drop rapidly.

This is a fallacy sir.


There are more Igbos in Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi and Imo than both Lagos and Kano States, yet the VATs in Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi and Imo States are very small

Yves4real:
Na wah o.
With these names used by different ethnic groups, it will be hard to lay claim of certain regions just because their names are spelt same as those answered by your tribe.
I just had to use Google to find out the history of Isoko and I got many conflicting reports.
Some said they are from Niger-Congo, others had something else written.
Below is the link of the one I may agree with because the writer is of Isoko extraction due to his name.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nigeriagalleria.com/Nigeria/States_Nigeria/Delta/History-of-Isoko-Kingdom-in-Delta-State.html%23:~:text%3DNIGERIA%2520%253E%253E%2520Delta%2520%253E%2520Isoko%2520Kingdom%26text%3DThe%2520oral%2520history%2520has%2520it,senior)%2520Uzere%252C%2520and%2520Okpe.&ved=2ahUKEwia3f7BlfDyAhXk0eAKHdHkDTEQFnoECAUQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2Ycx2NmYwfJuxTE-C4dwW1

IPOB members/sympathizers wrongly assume that their future country can lay claim to any region wherever they see people speaking or bearing names similar to their languages and names.

In reality, it doesn't work like that, it's far more easily to claim territories where you are presently exercising POLITICAL AUTHORITY over or where you once held political authority over (as a Kingdom/Empire ,Units of administration like States/Regions or as a Sovereign Country).

The 1978-1988 Iran Vs Iraq war was caused by claims and counter claims over a disputed border territory that was once part of the Persian Empire and sometime and
Part of the Ottoman Pronvince.

Gulf War-1 was caused by the 1990 Iraq's renewal of her claim over Kuwait and annexation of Kuwait

Ariani:
This is nonsense!

Mother is not Iye or Aye in Igbo. It's Nne!

It's also stupid to separate Igbo from IKa, as IKa as a language is part of the Igbo cluster.
What you call Igbo has cluster of dialects with minor differences.
Ika don't say Olise! And Olisa in Igbo has many dialectical variation depending on part of Igbo land, ranging from Olise, Orise to Orisa, and it has nothing to do with Yoruba Orisha.

And please no body in Bini bears Osadebe! That name is exclusively Igbo.

There are words Igbo share in common with Yoruba, but the ones you listed are not part of it.

Read widely without sentiments.

First statement implied that what the Yoruba/Bini called 'mother' is equivalent to what igbo called wife, after all both are referring to a female of reproductive age.

Efewestern:
You just like the Bkay guy aren't open to proper cultural discussion. I ended his conversation because I knew where it was driving to. I don't want to be caught in the web of your ethno-centric iisshh.

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

Most of these guys are sympathizers/members of IPOB which promote ethnocentrism devoid of sound educational critiques and intellectual contributions.


* All humans are related.

* In all human societies, communities that have lived in close proximities for thousands of years become related in languages, culture, religions and of course, territories!

* It very difficult for humans to live in isolation, so they must mix with other humans and depending on the degrees of the mixing, some cultural assimilations take place.

Collyweed:
Correct. Interestingly groups like Igala (which is technically Yoruba), Nupe, Idoma and probably others belong to the same group. That is like well over 60% of the country.

Because African names are actually combinations of words, our names only appear different when the similar root words we share are combined with non- similar words.

For instance,

Okunrin (Yoruba) = Okoro (Bini)= Okoro (Igbo).

Akin (Yoruba)= Aken (Bini) = Iken (Itsekiri)= Ike (Igbo).


Akingbola = Akin + gbola = '
'Warrior/Power has taken wealth'

Ikechukwu= Ike+ Chukwu = 'Power of God'

Okafor= Okoro + Afor= 'Man born on Afor market day'

Ofodirinwa:
AYE/Iye/Ayi is still igbo for woman but an old term. Hence Nwa-ayi = woman, Nwa-iye = Wife, Ndi-Iye = Elder women.

Omu/Umu same word. Omu is even on the arochukwu flag

Iye (Yoruba)= Iye (Bini) = Mother= Aye/Iye (Igbo)= Woman

Orisha/Oosha (Yoruba)= Oritse(Itsekiri)= Osaa (Bini) = olise (Ika)= Olisa (Igbo).

Osadebe (Edo)= Osadebe (Igbo)= Olisadebe.

Orishajenfo (Yoruba) = Oritsejafor (Itsekiri)= 'The gods allowed me to talk' or more contextually, the 'gods have given me voice'

Omo (Yoruba) = Omo (Bini) = Oma (Itsekiri) = Rumu (Ikwerre)= Umu (Igbo).

Akin (Yoruba) = Aken( Bini)= Iken (Itsekiri) = Ike (Igbo) = Warrior/ Power depending on the context.

Akinbuwa/Akenzua/ Ikengbuwa ?

BluntCrazeMan:
River Sand, Laterite, Granite, rocks, and Limestone..
They are all forms of Naturally Occurring mineral resources.
And they are under the control of the State Government.

Theoretically, ALL Mineral Resources belong to the FG but in reality, it's impossible for the FG to control all these resources so it seems they just focus on the one that is giving them alots of money and easy to control- CRUDE OIL.



There are many rocks in Ekiti, Ondo and Kogi States from which the States can be mining Limestone for cement, ceramics and glass production.

Artisan miners are in every State, digging the ground to extract solid minerals in crude forms which are then sold for peanuts to Chinese mining companies to refine them and sell them at the international markets.

Bandits have taken over many mining sites in Zamfara State to mine gold and they have chased away the original inhabitants of these villages.

There are so many Northerners being employed to dig the ground for gold in Iperindo-Ilesha axis of Osun State.

OfoIgbo:
That is exactly the way fifth columnists will join.

There are a lot of Fulani terrorists and Ijaw land-grabbers that now speak Igbo. DSS or any anti-Igbo group can hire any of them, and ask them to pose as authentic Igbos and speak with the admins, and be allowed in.

All it takes to destroy this group is for just one fifth columnist to be admitted into it.

Out of every twelve, there's always a Judas.
Even a random guy from Ihiala, Mbaise, Obi-Ngwa, Ekwulobia or Aboh can betray the group

We should be moving towards weaker FG.


Each State should collect VAT within it's territory. There is no need for FG to be collecting VAT ,pool it into a central pool and redistribute to States to create unnecessary uniformity. This bring about cheating and unnecessary tension in jostling for the Central Government.