₦airaland Forum

Nowenuse:
Fulanis have heavily intermarried and Intermixed with the Hausas (especially the elite and middle-class)... The Hausa elite and middle-class are the only ones who can save Hausa land, but will they be saving Hausa land from their wives and inlaws (fulanis)?

Abeg forget Hausa people or northern minorities muslims. The only ones you can pity for are the 2-4 million Hausa christians who are indingenes of Kano, Zaria & Katsina. ...These ones need to emigrate to join Plateau, Southern Kaduna & Gongola and we join the south to fight out of this useless country.

Why do you think anybody needs your pity at all?

There are so many problems in your own State, why not pity your people and solve just half of these problems sir?


The problems of Nigeria is very similar to the problems of Ghana, Cameroon, Kenya, Tanzania and other African countries.

They are largely economic problems which stem from the inability of the African peoples to use what are readily available in their environments to build their houses, roads, manufacture their own medicines, vehicles, and produce enough foods to feed their populations. These problems are NOT caused by the Fulanis or any particular tribe and won't be solved by a 'We Vs Them' solidarity or antagonism.

itsme01:
if you read my later comments, I agreed to the fact that what he did is terrorism and I clearly compared him with others in his league who invaded other peoples territory for spoils of war, like King Solomon and David in the bible, the greatest of all war criminal and looter , King Julius Cesar the ruthless war criminal who is barely second to Solomon in history, British Monarchy on colonization expedition, and Adolf Hitler

all this people forcefully took control of other peoples territory through bloody war killing and looting, but then the topic is about Dan fodio and the little good about him, just has we talk of the others and the little good about them and their conquers

Which war did King Solomon fight and who were the combatants?

engrchykae:
the op is a stupid person.
Usman fodio used taqiya to conquer the north.
His great grandson armadu bello continued his legacy of impoverishing the north.

Ahmadu Bello was a great leader of the North.


He built many schools, constructed many hospitals, roads and a university. He also encouraged girl child education.


If the subsequent leaders after him had acted like he did, the North would have been a better place.

eagleu:
Your conclusion about Fodio leading citizens of Gobir to riot against their own king beats all reason and imagination.

Imagine an alien coming into sokoto today, and somehow convincing present day citizens to riot against the sultan.

First, you can see all sorts of logistical problems with that, and finally you should ask where was the king when all these were happening.

The truth was he killed the king, and somehow convinced some citizens that he was fighting for a purer form of islam, same way Buhari is locking up his opponent, because he is fighting corruption. Yet some citizens didn't accept Fodio for a long time, and those he simply murdered in the name of islam. Yumfa, the son of the sarkin Gobir was on of his victims.

Having accumulated power and resources, Fodio sent his cousin to Kano to replicate the same technique, and it worked, because he was a well educated strategist who understood how to confuse the masses with religious.

BTW, Alimi used the same technique in Illorin to subdue the greedy general working the northern borders of Oyo empire called Afonja. That's why Illorin has a Fulani emir today instead of an Oba.

You like projecting your own biased assumptions as the Gospel Truths.


Usman Dan Fodio was a religious leaders and an advisor to the king of Gobir. The king even enrolled his son and heir, Yunfa in Dan Fodio's classes.

When Yunfa ascended the throne, he noticed that Dan Fodio was given religious directives to his followers and adjucating on civil matters based on Islamic laws.
Sarkin Yunfa misinterpreted all these as threats to his rule, so he expelled Dan Fodio from his Royal court and issued some royal decrees aimed at reducing the spread of Islam.

Meanwhile, Dan Fodio who by then had fled to Gudu has amassed large followers comprising mostly of poor Hausa masses and some Fulanis (the Fulanis were a minority settler tribe in 1804), teaching them about the Shari'ah Laws.

Attempts by Sarkin Yunfa to dislodge them from Gudu were seen as religious persecution, prompting Dan Fodio to declare Jihard against Sarkin Yunfa and Gobir Kingdom.

In summary, what happened was a clash of interests.

josielewa:
OGA, all the vat being collected is part of Niger delta money...the revenue from crude nko...the 30% for the north in pib nko...OGA just stfu

It's wrong to assume that any money in Nigeria is part of the Niger Delta money.

We pay tax on every car, airtime, data, cement or iron rods we buy and these aren't parts of the Niger-Delta money.

Yobabad:
Yoruba Muslims are specialist on this business

But the ritual killings being discussed in this post was done by the Etche-Igbos.

Mercychen:
So the pero just sat there waiting for tuface to come around anytime he wishes to use her?

For crying out loud, tuface is married. Let her get herself another man.

Some women act like puppets.

You need to really understand that Tuface is actually a polygamist.

Sunbo is the first wife, Pero (with three children for Tuface) is the second wife and Annie is actually the third wife.

OfoIgbo:
The bolded is what I need to be hearing and reading. Denying reality doesn't make it less real. Changing the reality is a much better way of going about it.

The facts on ground are that the Fulanis have a vested interest in Illorin emirate, and the Ilorin emirate bows to the Sokoto caliphate.
Extra facts being that this cultural domination only started about two hundred years ago, when Alimi carried out a wicked coup against the Yoruba landowners.

What Yorubas have to do is to acknowledge the current Fulani usurpation of cultural headship over Ilorin, and then ensure to reverse that injustice. Denial of the current fact, is like playing the ostritch.

It's tempting but misleading to judge the historical events of the 19th century with contemporary parameters.


1) What happened in Ilorin around 1820 and many other political entities of that era was a struggle between States/Kingdoms/Empires and not strictly an inter-tribal war as we now understand the tribes.

2) Alimi did NOT invade or even killed Afonja (Alimi actually died before Afonja).
The Ilorin Jaa'ma (Muslim Ummah comprising of people of different ethnic backgrounds) allied themselves with Sokoto Caliphate which was the nascent Muslim State just directly up north of Ilorin.

3) This Ilorin Jaa'ma did so to prevent themselves from being ruled further by Afonja , who though had relied on them and used them to secceed from Oyo Empire but nevertheless wasn't a Muslim himself and had no intention to become one.

4) The Ilorin Emirate under Abdusalami as Amir Al-Muslimi (the leader of the Muslims) and it's subsequent affiliation to the Muslim Sokoto Caliphate was constituted much more later after the death of Afonja.

6) With time, the Ilorin Emirate transformed from a Theocracy into a Monarchy just as it's often the case everywhere.

7) It should be noted that the Jihard of Usman DanFodio started as a religious war and not really an inter-tribal war.
The Fulanis were a settler minority tribe in 1804 and the indigenous peoples would have closed ranks and killed them off if they had carried out the Jihard as a FULANI Vs Non-Fulani inter-tribal war.

theInterpreter:
kanuri are not in anywhere else but bornu

Some Kanuri and Hausa Slaves in old Oyo Empire fled from their Masters and emigrated en-mass to Ilorin where Afonja, the Governor of Ilorin Pronvince and a former Oyo General now turned Rebel leader, in collaboration with Sheik
Salihu Janta alias Alimi have declared freedom and sanctuary for any Muslim slave that escaped and join their growing number of rebels.

The descendants of these non-Yoruba, non-Fulani group of northern origin are the peoples that call themselves GAMBARI. They have their Quarters and Military Representative in the Ilorin inner Cabinet called BALOGUN GAMBARI. The military representative of the Fulani group is BALOGUN FULANI. The two other military representing, BALOGUN ALANOMU and BALOGUN AJIKOBI represent the Yoruba components.

JohnSin97:
There's nothing wrong in people excising their constitutional rights. Most igbos I've seen are actually behind ipob and fully in support, if the supreme leader Nnamdi kanu can suffer in prison for the sake of biafra, what then is a sit at home that biafrans cannot comply with? The problem is that igbos is that they love money too much, but would you rather make pennies under fulani subjugation than give your children a legacy of biafran nation that would be the pride of africa? It's biafra or nothing, the sit at home must continue either anyone likes it or not.

Although I resepect the right of the Igbos or any other ethnic group to secceed but I don't believe that the new country will automatically become a first world country just because they have seceeded.


Who are the people that will make up this utopian country? Are they the same people presently in Nigeria or they will be imported from Spain, Malaysia, Canada or Singapore?

Ekejoestar:
Honestly this thing is paining me like seriously, I spoke with my mum today and she narrated to me how those stupid boys went to a restaurant and wasted the effort of the owner like they used knives to slice the wrapped semovita that the woman want to sell and they carried the cooler of rice and poured it into the cooler of beans and mixed everything together and am sure they also poured away the stew and the soup and this woman is not a fulani ooo but a fellow Igbo for that matter

Will these actions of the IPOB enforcers of the sit-at-home order be appropriate if the woman were to be a Fulani?

Zeinymira:
Well, Islam is a way of life, it touches every aspect. But your Bible says do not be yoke with unbelievers does that not extend to marriage too? Anyways, I have given you Islamic verdict and you're just deviating. Why don't you worry about Catholics not wanting to marry from Christ embassy or Anglicans avoiding marriage with Winner's Chapel? Tired of this back and forth plus you're not even honest to admit that Christian men will never respect their non-Christian wives faith.

1) What is yoke and who is an unbeliever?

2) Whoever Catholic or Non-catholic marries is none of my business.

3) All over the world, self preservation is the norm. The embargo on who a member of a group (be it a religious or ethnic group) can marry is to prevent erosion of the group's identity

4) In my own views, individuals should marry whoever they love and love them in return.
However, frictions that emanate from great dissimilarities in worldviews, norms and status can reduce the happiness provided by love.

5) In Nigeria, we live in highly patrichial society. The Husband is the head of the family and he often decides what he wants for his family.

6) Imported religions are great problems for the black man.

jneutron4000:
What do you expect Wikipedia to put before? It was through Fulani that Emirate got into Ilorin so that's what will be in Wikipedia and we Yorubas are not denying it. I can tell you for a fact that Fulani does not have any monarchy system that they initiated, even when they were in Futajalon even other ethnic group in Senegambia then like the Mandigo still had a system, Fulanis just copied the Arab system of Emirate and adopted it, and there only stronghold where they style themselves the most in even in Nigeria, in other West Africa countries no one recognises them as practising Emirate apart from the Normadic culture that they are known for. So if you talk about Oba, Baale, everyone know it
Yoruba for that, Igwe, Obis every know it Igbos, but Emir is not from Fulani and people should stop appropriating it to them, some time ago the Olu of Iwo even style himself as Emir of Iwo before he was warned to do mess our culture for the Arab culture. The Emir of Ilorin na full blooded Yoruba man, that is a fact

.Dues to cultural assimilation and social changes, the Fulanis in Ilorin have become Yorubanized.


However, we need to understand that in Ilorin, ethnic identities is subsumed under the Islamic identity.
Ilorin people are a blend of people mostly from Yoruba but with some Fulani, Nupe, Hausa and Kanuri origins.

OfoIgbo:
But the emir of Ilorin is the constitutionally recognised traditional ruler of Ilorin

How does this change the ethnic identities of Ilorin sir?


If you go to Ilorin and stay for a week, you will see that the city share more in similarities with Ibadan, Ogbomosho ,Iseyin than Gwandu, Sokoto or Funtua.

The Emir of Ilorin is sustained by politics. An average person on the street in Ilorin will be surprised if you ask him who is the Emir of Ilorin (I am surprised that some illiterate ones don't even know the title exist!) because everybody call him, Oba Ilorin.

Like in other Yoruba cities, the traditional market beside the palace in Ilorin is called 'Oja Oba'


In any case, the people of Ilorin (except may be the Families of Afonja and Alimi) seems happy with the ways they are and everybody see each other as fellow Ilorin guys.

The place is a peaceful and lovely city with good road networks and low cost of living.

Zeinymira:
The Muslim women who did where not allowed to. I know many. If you're Yoruba, you would too, that's if you're honest.
Sure, it's forbidden in Islam for a non-Muslim
to marry a Muslim woman and for a good reason too. But like all forbidden things, people still do it. A Muslim man who marries a non-Muslim woman is commanded to respect her faith, he can not force her to convert. There is no such verse in Christianity or other religions that commanded a Christian man to marry non-Christian ladies nor respect her faith. She won't even enjoy such mercy. She would go from Ruqayyah to Rebecca.

1) You need to know that Christianity is about the teaching of Christ.

2) Christ didn't mention who a Christian should marry or not marry.

3) Christianity started before Islam, so there's no where Christ or any of the apostles mentioned whether Christians should marry Muslims or not.

4) Individual Christians and their families answer the questions themselves.

5) In Yorubaland, most people are actually only nominal Christians or Muslims. Their ways of life is more shaped by the Yoruba culture than religion.

6) The direction of convertion of imported Abrahamic religions is more of Islam-> Christianity for both genders.

One religious and elderly man in Ila-Oragun whose wealthy Newphews despite their convertion from Islam to Christianity were taking good care of, explained it to me that; it's difficult to faithfully follow the tenets of Islam and that youths tend to find it cumbersome.

Vado:
Mention one Yoruba Muslim woman married to a Christian man among all these public servants Mr Yoruba are tolerant. I’ll wait...

You may not know the religious backgrounds of many people in the SW.

OfoIgbo:
So haven't you noticed that for more than 200 years now, there has not been an OBA in Ilorin.
And every emir of Ilorin had or has Fulani blood
And that Ilorin is a vassal of the Fulani Sokoto caliphate

Oba and Emir are posts occupied by individuals,they don't define ethnic identities or compositions of the whole town.

Sokoto Caliphate ended in 1903 when Caliph Attahiru and his soldiers were killed and the British conquered their country to incorporate it into Nigeria.

You also need to understand that there's no State in Nigeria where the Fulanis are the majority ethnic group, not even in Sokoto, not in Kano , Katsina and definitely not in Kwara.

Buckeyemedia1:
The RMFAC should also review their distribution process, Local Governments should keep 60% of their revenue, whilst the states get 30%, FG 10%, not the present wayo States 50%, Local Governments 35%, FG 15%.

In true Federalism, there's nothing concerning RMFAC with Local Gov'ts.


Local Gov'ts are agaents of the States to bring development to the grass roots and should NOT be used as a vehicle for sharing revenues.

Before the 1976 military imposed reform of Local Gov't administration, each Region/State created the number of Local Gov'ts they wanted and financed them.

OfoIgbo:
You could have fooled me

Alimi was also a Yoruba man and Afonja was Fulani.

Every emirate that is subjected to the Sokoto caliphate is ruled by a Fulani emir

Alimi and Afonja story was over 200 years old. It's naive to assume that things remain the ways they were in 1810.



The guy is correct because it's very difficult to see true Fulanis in Ilorin. What you are going to see are Yorubas with PARTIAL FULANI ANCESTRIES due to centuries of inter-tribal marriages and cultural assimilation.

Liebermantic:
Are Sarakis And Alimi's Yoruba?
Bearing Yoruba names doesn't change their ethnicity.... FULANI

In present day Ilorin, ethnicity is more or less an ill-defined political classification because most Indigenes of Ilorin are now mixtures of Yoruba, Fulanis, Nupe and even Kanuris to varying degrees.

Mrexcell:
Self determination is a fundamental human rights of every ethnic group in the world nigeria is a signatory to the UN charter on self determination so the UN is obligated to help indigenous people anywhere when they demands for it.

This is why you get scammed easily by the IPOB.


The United Nations doesn't organize referenda for ethnic groups that want to break-away from their current countries.

Mrexcell:
Freedom fighting is a marathon race it might take some time to achieve but surely it will definitely come to pass some day. It took the Netherlands over 80yrs of conflicts to finally break out from Spain ipob may not be doing the right things now to achieve biafra but they are definitely speaking the minds of over 90% of igbos world wide if the fulani nigerian state don't agree to this fact they should be reasonable and descent enough to agree to a UN organized referudum vote in igboland to put this age long agitation to a final rest.

Can you please point out the sections in the UN charter that give it the authority to stroll into a sovereign country and start conducting a referendum for anyparts that wants to break-away.

Emergingnation:
Ab0ki, Biafra has come to stay, your online wailing , ranting change nothing...

But it's limited to it's existence as an online countrty

paramakina202:
Asari great grandfather was an Igboman from Abam in Abia state and the reason he goes with Igbo warrior title of Ediabali. Asari himself has said it several times.
The Yoruba migrants were accomodated by indigenous Igbo community they met on the ground the reason they speak both Igbo and a Yoruba dialect.

So Asari Dokubu, a past president of Ijaw Youth Congress (IYC) who once declared that Igbos were
slaves of the Ijaws is an Igboman?

BKayy:
Even people that claims they have the highest population by state.
Now the VAT on telecoms will prove them right or wrong if this works. They will have to explain how they contribute high VAT when the FG was in charge but fail to sustain themselves when it was desolved to state level.
You now see why the North is worried. Most especially Kano

Kano will do fine, ever far better than the amount of VAT they are presently getting because they will start imposing Tax on Cattles, onions, beans, rice, corn, millets leaving the State for other parts of the country.
Zamfara will do very well if they can solve the problems of armed Banditry by turning the Bandits into REGISTERED artisinal miners with known addresses, sureties and bank details who will be paid a percentage of the the solid minerals they are able to dig from the ground using modern equipments.

Zamfara and Osun Stated can incorporate Mining Companies which will apply for mining licenses from the FG and pay royalties to the FG.

BKayy:
Then the states shouldn't have existed in the first place.
One thing for sure if this VAT work will be reassessment of the Vat statistics. Then you will realise that most states are empty because the statistics will now come from the state directly.

Every State has peoples consuming goods and services that can be taxed e.g for every trailer load of wooden planks, Cocoa, Kolanuts, granites or crates of eggs leaving Osun State, a specified amount of money will be paid as tax to Gov't.

IgiveLadiesBj:

Why are you still in Naija with me?

BettyKeys is still in Nigeria because she doesn't want to leave her husband and family who are living in Nigeria.

DubaiLandLord:
Lol

By the time most states in the North and South can't pay salaries, I hope you won't
be one of the people screaming to the FG, for them(FG) to bail them(Unviable states) out.

I'm also in support of States keeping 100% of there VATs. But, it shouldn't be done in such a hasty way.

If these States can't pay salaries then they should reduce their workforce to around 2000 civil servants that they can pay for. The rest can be transferred to other businesses like Agriculture, mining and other ventures.


With time, each State will start demanding the right to mine their resources, develop them and sell to raise money.



***Welcome to the era of restructuring.

BKayy:
Then why is it only the North that is complaining despite the statistics that put them as the population and economic hub of Nigeria?
Incase you have forgotten, Nigerian statistics put North at 75m people

It's more of a stereotypic mindset.

Many Northerners wrongly assume that any proposed change to the structural, political and/or economic situations in this country is inspired by hatred for the North and they always try to resist such changes.

Thermodynamics:
States de collect VAT Lagos sef wan still de collect VAT, Lagos when the whole Nigeria de feed. Lagos is a metropolitan city that was built by the entire Country. There is nothing special about the place, if not for sea port, Lagos for be like Ogun or Abia, there are sea ports in Calabar, Warri and Port Harcourt, but in a bid to make Lagos the center of attraction, the federal government refuse to grant license to the sea ports in Niger Delta.

I support that each start should collect their VAT but Lagos nor join, Lagos is for the entire Country. The state nor even get any resources, unlike Rivers State which has an intrinsic value.

The Lagos House of Assembly have passed the VAT law. You can challenge this law in court

Ekakamba:

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This is what happens when you get married to an intellect (both gender). I think Gov. Wike's wife with the help of her colleagues notifies her husband about these VAT loopholes and how to turn them around for the State's benefit.

I might be wrong though.

They have been legal fireworks since 2011 about VAT in this country when LASG took the matter to court.

SecretReporter:
your children will be definitely ashamed of you

Mr Tega, why did you say this?