₦airaland Forum

OfoIgbo:
And the funny thing is that about half of the Lagos IGR is being provided by SEners, and about 70% of Rivers state IGR is being provided by SEners also.

Proper economic planning and the installation of seaports at Oseakwa in Anambra and Obuaku in Abia, will quadruple the IGR of the SE states.

Adding Igbo areas in the SS stretching from Obigbo, to Opobo and Ubani, to Ogwashiuku to the SE will further help the Igbo economy.

Igbos will automatically be bestowed with the title of states with the largest IGRs

I know that infantile wailing will soon start

iamtardey:
Na this man davido resemble

So person no fit resemble his uncle in peace again?

Tobianojoel:
Are you really okay? I live in Ede and people here have never for once seen him as half Igbo. This is a patriarch society. Wake up ode!

Don't mind him, even their Igbo mum has been 'Yorubanized' and she is now an Iya-adura , a prophetess in a white garment church.

peeps4u:
I'm not an APC fan, but hasn't Oyetola been doing fairly well in osun?
I think he is paying full salary and doing some road constructions in many towns. Went to Ipetu sometimes this year, saw the roads he did, he is doing some in Modakeke and few other towns like that.

Considering the meagre resources at the state's disposal, I wouldn't score him bad, to be honest.

I prefer PDP govt to APC, but I really will want to know where Oyeyola is doing it wrong that I dont know please.

Thanks

We must change incompetent Leadership.

Oyetola is not performing well and lacks economic blue prints to increase the revenues of the State. Payment of salaries is not an achievement sir

Biodun556:


Zamfara is full of gold and iron ore nothing or little is done about it

Bandits are controlling the mining sites of Zamfara.

vedaxcool:
Wike is obviously lying and mobilising tribalism/ sectionalism. FIRS does not share the money, it is the Ministry of Finance that does so. There is a clear sharing arrangement on how much the government has to share to the States, there is also a clear sharing formula on how much each state will get. The ministry cannot arbitrarily decide to give money to one State when there's over 30 useless hungry states waiting to eat from the collection of suffering of states who make tangible efforts to generate VAT.

Whoever is doing the sharing is immaterial.

Let us allow each State to collect their own VAT and spend for their people.

ALL States have land with people living there that can be taxed to increase their VAT coverage. The fear that some states will go bankrupt is unfounded.

kufre2010:
Shehu of Bornu is Kanuri title and not Islamic or FULANI

Kanem/ Bornu empire was there before Fulanis invasion or Jihad led by Usman Dan Fodio

Sheu is the local rendition of the Arabic word for a religious scribe, Sheik.

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian from the south, I think we southerners are been insensitive with our decision to collect VAT directly to our respective states. The north on record once financed the economy of Nigeria with agriculture and other resources before the discovery of oil in the south. Is this the best way to pay back the north for all their sacrifices for our dear nation? How can we expect a northern region ravaged by banditry and terrorism to generate huge VAT like our peaceful South? Why can't we be our brothers keeper for the sake of the survival of our dear country? It amazes me that a southern region dominated by we Christians fails to follow the bible comandment of loving our neighbors as ourselves. Its unfortunate that we are letting greed becloud our sense of jugdement on this matter. I would advice the federal government to use Veto power to over rule any court judgment on state collection of VAT. Any state that insist on collecting VAT should have their governor removed through state of emergency. Nonsense

The Southern States need theur VAT to reconstruct their States following the havocs wrecked in their States by the killer Herdsmen.

airminem:
I agree with the governor but i don't agree with Sahara reporters.

This Status quo is limiting the realization of the potentials of this country, including the North.

Gombe should look inwards and starts collecting tax from her citizens instead of relying on the taxes collected from Lagos, FCT, Rivers and Kano.

blamingthedevil:
More than half of Nigeria’s VAT comes from Lagos



Speaking at the parley between the federal government and progressive governors forum (PGF) in Abuja on Tuesday, Adeosun said the 87 percent of Nigeria’s VAT is derived from four states and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT).

In other words, only 13 percent of Nigeria’s VAT comes from 32 other states in the federation.

According to her no country in the world with high tax compliance rate is poor, and no rich country has a low tax compliance rate.

Quoting current VAT collection data across Nigeria, the minister said “55% of Nigeria’s VAT is collected in Lagos State. 20% in FCT, 6% in Rivers, 5% in Kano, 1% in Kaduna”.

“I’m hoping that one day Finance Commissioners will stop needing to come to Abuja monthly to share FAAC, because IGR (internally generated revenue) will be sufficient.”

Lagos-55%
FCT-20%
Rivers-6%
Kano-5%
Kaduna-1%

https://www.thecable.ng/adeosun-half-nigerias-vat-comes-lagos

Where are the values for the five S/Eastern States for you to make such unsubstantiated claim?

What if the VAT collected from the S/East is equal to 3%?

Soulsymbol99:
If igbos who r known for business decides 2 leave kano and Lagos the vat of both states will drop rapidly.

This is a fallacy sir.


There are more Igbos in Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi and Imo than both Lagos and Kano States, yet the VATs in Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi and Imo States are very small

Yves4real:
Na wah o.
With these names used by different ethnic groups, it will be hard to lay claim of certain regions just because their names are spelt same as those answered by your tribe.
I just had to use Google to find out the history of Isoko and I got many conflicting reports.
Some said they are from Niger-Congo, others had something else written.
Below is the link of the one I may agree with because the writer is of Isoko extraction due to his name.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nigeriagalleria.com/Nigeria/States_Nigeria/Delta/History-of-Isoko-Kingdom-in-Delta-State.html%23:~:text%3DNIGERIA%2520%253E%253E%2520Delta%2520%253E%2520Isoko%2520Kingdom%26text%3DThe%2520oral%2520history%2520has%2520it,senior)%2520Uzere%252C%2520and%2520Okpe.&ved=2ahUKEwia3f7BlfDyAhXk0eAKHdHkDTEQFnoECAUQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2Ycx2NmYwfJuxTE-C4dwW1

IPOB members/sympathizers wrongly assume that their future country can lay claim to any region wherever they see people speaking or bearing names similar to their languages and names.

In reality, it doesn't work like that, it's far more easily to claim territories where you are presently exercising POLITICAL AUTHORITY over or where you once held political authority over (as a Kingdom/Empire ,Units of administration like States/Regions or as a Sovereign Country).

The 1978-1988 Iran Vs Iraq war was caused by claims and counter claims over a disputed border territory that was once part of the Persian Empire and sometime and
Part of the Ottoman Pronvince.

Gulf War-1 was caused by the 1990 Iraq's renewal of her claim over Kuwait and annexation of Kuwait

Ariani:
This is nonsense!

Mother is not Iye or Aye in Igbo. It's Nne!

It's also stupid to separate Igbo from IKa, as IKa as a language is part of the Igbo cluster.
What you call Igbo has cluster of dialects with minor differences.
Ika don't say Olise! And Olisa in Igbo has many dialectical variation depending on part of Igbo land, ranging from Olise, Orise to Orisa, and it has nothing to do with Yoruba Orisha.

And please no body in Bini bears Osadebe! That name is exclusively Igbo.

There are words Igbo share in common with Yoruba, but the ones you listed are not part of it.

Read widely without sentiments.

First statement implied that what the Yoruba/Bini called 'mother' is equivalent to what igbo called wife, after all both are referring to a female of reproductive age.

Efewestern:
You just like the Bkay guy aren't open to proper cultural discussion. I ended his conversation because I knew where it was driving to. I don't want to be caught in the web of your ethno-centric iisshh.

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

Most of these guys are sympathizers/members of IPOB which promote ethnocentrism devoid of sound educational critiques and intellectual contributions.


* All humans are related.

* In all human societies, communities that have lived in close proximities for thousands of years become related in languages, culture, religions and of course, territories!

* It very difficult for humans to live in isolation, so they must mix with other humans and depending on the degrees of the mixing, some cultural assimilations take place.

Collyweed:
Correct. Interestingly groups like Igala (which is technically Yoruba), Nupe, Idoma and probably others belong to the same group. That is like well over 60% of the country.

Because African names are actually combinations of words, our names only appear different when the similar root words we share are combined with non- similar words.

For instance,

Okunrin (Yoruba) = Okoro (Bini)= Okoro (Igbo).

Akin (Yoruba)= Aken (Bini) = Iken (Itsekiri)= Ike (Igbo).


Akingbola = Akin + gbola = '
'Warrior/Power has taken wealth'

Ikechukwu= Ike+ Chukwu = 'Power of God'

Okafor= Okoro + Afor= 'Man born on Afor market day'

Ofodirinwa:
AYE/Iye/Ayi is still igbo for woman but an old term. Hence Nwa-ayi = woman, Nwa-iye = Wife, Ndi-Iye = Elder women.

Omu/Umu same word. Omu is even on the arochukwu flag

Iye (Yoruba)= Iye (Bini) = Mother= Aye/Iye (Igbo)= Woman

Orisha/Oosha (Yoruba)= Oritse(Itsekiri)= Osaa (Bini) = olise (Ika)= Olisa (Igbo).

Osadebe (Edo)= Osadebe (Igbo)= Olisadebe.

Orishajenfo (Yoruba) = Oritsejafor (Itsekiri)= 'The gods allowed me to talk' or more contextually, the 'gods have given me voice'

Omo (Yoruba) = Omo (Bini) = Oma (Itsekiri) = Rumu (Ikwerre)= Umu (Igbo).

Akin (Yoruba) = Aken( Bini)= Iken (Itsekiri) = Ike (Igbo) = Warrior/ Power depending on the context.

Akinbuwa/Akenzua/ Ikengbuwa ?

BluntCrazeMan:
River Sand, Laterite, Granite, rocks, and Limestone..
They are all forms of Naturally Occurring mineral resources.
And they are under the control of the State Government.

Theoretically, ALL Mineral Resources belong to the FG but in reality, it's impossible for the FG to control all these resources so it seems they just focus on the one that is giving them alots of money and easy to control- CRUDE OIL.



There are many rocks in Ekiti, Ondo and Kogi States from which the States can be mining Limestone for cement, ceramics and glass production.

Artisan miners are in every State, digging the ground to extract solid minerals in crude forms which are then sold for peanuts to Chinese mining companies to refine them and sell them at the international markets.

Bandits have taken over many mining sites in Zamfara State to mine gold and they have chased away the original inhabitants of these villages.

There are so many Northerners being employed to dig the ground for gold in Iperindo-Ilesha axis of Osun State.

OfoIgbo:
That is exactly the way fifth columnists will join.

There are a lot of Fulani terrorists and Ijaw land-grabbers that now speak Igbo. DSS or any anti-Igbo group can hire any of them, and ask them to pose as authentic Igbos and speak with the admins, and be allowed in.

All it takes to destroy this group is for just one fifth columnist to be admitted into it.

Out of every twelve, there's always a Judas.
Even a random guy from Ihiala, Mbaise, Obi-Ngwa, Ekwulobia or Aboh can betray the group

We should be moving towards weaker FG.


Each State should collect VAT within it's territory. There is no need for FG to be collecting VAT ,pool it into a central pool and redistribute to States to create unnecessary uniformity. This bring about cheating and unnecessary tension in jostling for the Central Government.

Collyweed:
Correct. Interestingly groups like Igala (which is technically Yoruba), Nupe, Idoma and probably others belong to the same group. That is like well over 60% of the country.

Actually, the present classification of the peoples in this country into ethnic groups were introduced in

* The 19th century by the British in preparation for (full scale colonialism) administration, policing and of course taxation.

* 1950s : ethnic groups classifications solidified in preparation for Independence

* 1960-1966: Ethnic groups as basis for political participations

*1979 Constitution: Ethnic groups fully and permanently created as vehicles for sharing the national cake.


It should be noted that before 1850, indigenous people living in what we now call Nigeria had no basis to identified themselves as ethnic groups, what was important was to belong to strong Kingdoms/Empire like Bini Empire, Ijebu Kingdom, Sokoto Caliphate, Oyo Empire, Kanem-Borno Empire (irrespective of 'ethnic backgrounds') which can guarantee economic improvement and protection from competing neighbouring communities.

BKayy:
You know you are lying but you think it's cool because you don't know the implications.
I will allow you to finish before I let you know

He is saying the truth. However you need to understand that truth may have more than one sides and not necessarily limited to the side you know.

Efewestern:
Okoro is an ancient Edoid word for man. It is used by almost all groups influenced by Edo. Ilaje, Isoko / Urhobo, Itsekiri etc make use of okoro.

examples

Okoro - Man/boy
Okoro-tie/Okotie - Short man
Okoro-Odudu/Okorodudu - Black man

I can't give a translation to Okorafo, maybe it's wrongly spelt.

Okunrin (Yoruba)= Okoro (Bini)= Okoro (Igbo)= MAN.

Okorodudu (Urhobo)= Okunrin dudu (Yoruba)= Okoroji (Igbo)

Okuta( Yoruba) = Okute (Itsekiri)= Okwute= Igbo


Yoruba-Bini-Itsekiri-Urobo/Isoko-Ika-Ikwerre- Ekpeye-Igbo represent a language continum.

In the distant past, we spoke the same language.

Fejoku:
With those communities OP listed, I'll ensure to carry out real investigations on them by visiting some of them to put this matter to rest.
Now unto the Igbo(Ndokwa)/Isoko relationship, one can't understand them without understanding that history.
In the old days early 19th century, Aboh was the most powerful kingdom on the Niger up untill Idah in the Igala country. She heavily participated in slavery getting slaves from all around her area of influence and still buying from Idah. She will then sell those slaves to Brass who will either take the victims to Bonny or sell them straight to Brazilian slavers who inside the Brass rivers to evade British anti-slavery ships at that time because slave trade was abolished in 1807.
In those days ethnicity was very fluidy especially in the boundary areas. People moved around and settled wherever they get much food and less problems irrespective of the different language they encounter there. They just learn the language in some cases or muddle up the language with that of others to develop a slightly different language from both languages. If one language features more in the mixed language, it continues to share the same language classification with the predominant language around it. I can say confidently that I now understand Isokos claim of being distinct from Urhobo. Isokos might have originally been Urhobos but after the great exodus from Benin city, a lot of other edoids who fled passed through their territory and added to the mix. Such edoids are the Egenni, Epie-Atissa etc. One will notice that the Isokos have both LGAs sandwiched between Igbos of Ukwuani and the Urhobos therefore a good number of Igbos must have moved into the territory and added to the mix to create a further divergence from Urhobo. Some Isoko South communities Igbide to be specific claim Igbo origin but are today Isokos. This is how one can be able to understand the name similarities that exist between Igbo and Isoko. Some Isoko communities are found in the Ndokwa East/Isoko South fringes and the story of a mixture of people is the same. It is with this understanding that one can use to question and look at such communities like Osekwenike and Abuetor(Igbo sounding names) as Igbo communities. I'll appreciate if any Isoko can give us the meaning of those names in the Isoko language.
It is my desire that we discuss these things with the mindset of understanding one another and accepting the truth for what it is.
Another thing we must not forget is the fact that some other really tiny languages might have been swallowed by either Igbo or the edoids around that area because from my studies, I've come to see a continuum that shows clearly how connected most people around that lower Niger is. It might be very difficult to put them into exactly one language family e.g Igboid or edoid or Ijoid. Take for instance, the Igboid Ekpeyes call their king 'Eze Logbo' and here we see an Isoko claim that those communities have their king traditional title as Odiologbo. One can see the clear similarity and can help us to understand the distinction between them and other Isoko communities. I can say for sure that the lower Niger area around Yenagoa, Sagbama, Brass, Ogbia, Ahoada, Abual/Odual and Degema is a melting point of the Igboid/Ijoid/Edoid and the central deta groups. The ijaws clearly masters of the swamps therefore those closer to the swamps are sucked in to their fold. The next like the Abual/Odual, the Ogbia, Kugbo, Abureni, Obulom etc together classified as the Central Delta languages are rarely known in southern Nigeria so they were claimed by the Ijaws. The Ogbias are counted as the biggest of them all.
I'll edit and finish up later. I'll also add a picture of language classification around that area later.

Good bless you sir, you have a good understanding of the History and ethnography of Southern Nigeria.


Once again, thanks for this OBJECTIVE piece.

BKayy:
But your people speak Bini as well. If I can remember when we were still discussing you peoples nationality years ago, your people proudly proclaimed Bini.

Nooo, Isoko is different from Bini but they were parts of the Bini Empire and thus have Edoid heritage.

kmcutez:
Ok. Most people think I’m Igbo when they hear my first and last name.

Even me, I have always assume you to be an Igbo lady.


Nigeria is far more complex than most people know.


When I was in the university, I had a course mate and a friend whose surname is Omachi. For years, I thought he is an Igbo guy until one day we were gisting and someone referred to him as 'you Igbo people' and he told us that he isn't an igbo guy. He said he is from Benue!


Then most people only knew of 'The three major tribes' (Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba) and anybody that wasn't Hausa or Yoruba was branded 'Omo igbo'

kmcutez:
Yeah. Ufoma is isoko name. Can also be spelt as Ufuoma.

I know one aunty in our area bearing Ufoma Akonaghovwo (I am not so sure I get the spelling of the surname well). She is Urbobo

Ofodirinwa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQa7jUozajE

Found a man trying to teach Isoko on Youtube

So far I've learned

1. Ere - Eating
2. Enve - Monkey
3. Anye - Women
4. Omu - Child

What if I tell you that ;

Anye= Onye
Omu= Umu ?

9japride:
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What do you aim to achieve with these lies? If you guys so much hate Igbos, will it not be nice to encourage the national assemble to move a motion to let Igbos go their separate way? What I see here online is mainly jealousy. Igbos are not known to cause any trouble in anywhere they are accommodated, rather they contribute to the economic growth of that area. Propaganda is all I see these days, every sane person knows the tribe that causes nuisance anywhere they find themselves always wanting to use dagger at the slightest disagreement.

Has the National Assembly ever made any law that prevent you from going?

cocolacec:
The igbos claims to be responsible for the high IGR in Lagos state.Every Nigerian knows the igbos are scattered along the length and breadth of Nigeria and so this high IGR should be duplicate everywhere the Igbos live and do business across Nigeria.

Because they are only interested in developing Lagos which they fondly refer to as 'No man's land', Port Harcourt which they have renamed IgweOcha and recently Opobo/Bonny which are now being called Ama Opubo/ Ubani

habsydiamond:
the only reason that will make me marry a single mama will be if I am not aware of the fact that she's one..

Hmn, but some are single mother because 'life happened' to them and not their fault.

Dpsychologist:
Gone are the days when if you are a baby mama its a taboo.

Society have accepted them so they feel entitled like single women.

It is true that single motherhood has now become very common but they are deceiving themselves with such silly entitlement.

habsydiamond:
Truth is bitter but that man said my mind. To that woman now she get sense.. Claiming responsibility to a man who is not ur husband or baby daddy. At the end of the day if the Maan accepts her request he go come turn mumu.. Yeye

Most Nigerian ladies are brought up with the mentality that one man or 'some men' out there should cater for them.
The most annoying one is with the single mothers without steady source of income hoping that her new lovers should help her financially to take care of her needs.