₦airaland Forum

Collyweed:
Correct. Interestingly groups like Igala (which is technically Yoruba), Nupe, Idoma and probably others belong to the same group. That is like well over 60% of the country.

Actually, the present classification of the peoples in this country into ethnic groups were introduced in

* The 19th century by the British in preparation for (full scale colonialism) administration, policing and of course taxation.

* 1950s : ethnic groups classifications solidified in preparation for Independence

* 1960-1966: Ethnic groups as basis for political participations

*1979 Constitution: Ethnic groups fully and permanently created as vehicles for sharing the national cake.


It should be noted that before 1850, indigenous people living in what we now call Nigeria had no basis to identified themselves as ethnic groups, what was important was to belong to strong Kingdoms/Empire like Bini Empire, Ijebu Kingdom, Sokoto Caliphate, Oyo Empire, Kanem-Borno Empire (irrespective of 'ethnic backgrounds') which can guarantee economic improvement and protection from competing neighbouring communities.

BKayy:
You know you are lying but you think it's cool because you don't know the implications.
I will allow you to finish before I let you know

He is saying the truth. However you need to understand that truth may have more than one sides and not necessarily limited to the side you know.

Efewestern:
Okoro is an ancient Edoid word for man. It is used by almost all groups influenced by Edo. Ilaje, Isoko / Urhobo, Itsekiri etc make use of okoro.

examples

Okoro - Man/boy
Okoro-tie/Okotie - Short man
Okoro-Odudu/Okorodudu - Black man

I can't give a translation to Okorafo, maybe it's wrongly spelt.

Okunrin (Yoruba)= Okoro (Bini)= Okoro (Igbo)= MAN.

Okorodudu (Urhobo)= Okunrin dudu (Yoruba)= Okoroji (Igbo)

Okuta( Yoruba) = Okute (Itsekiri)= Okwute= Igbo


Yoruba-Bini-Itsekiri-Urobo/Isoko-Ika-Ikwerre- Ekpeye-Igbo represent a language continum.

In the distant past, we spoke the same language.

Fejoku:
With those communities OP listed, I'll ensure to carry out real investigations on them by visiting some of them to put this matter to rest.
Now unto the Igbo(Ndokwa)/Isoko relationship, one can't understand them without understanding that history.
In the old days early 19th century, Aboh was the most powerful kingdom on the Niger up untill Idah in the Igala country. She heavily participated in slavery getting slaves from all around her area of influence and still buying from Idah. She will then sell those slaves to Brass who will either take the victims to Bonny or sell them straight to Brazilian slavers who inside the Brass rivers to evade British anti-slavery ships at that time because slave trade was abolished in 1807.
In those days ethnicity was very fluidy especially in the boundary areas. People moved around and settled wherever they get much food and less problems irrespective of the different language they encounter there. They just learn the language in some cases or muddle up the language with that of others to develop a slightly different language from both languages. If one language features more in the mixed language, it continues to share the same language classification with the predominant language around it. I can say confidently that I now understand Isokos claim of being distinct from Urhobo. Isokos might have originally been Urhobos but after the great exodus from Benin city, a lot of other edoids who fled passed through their territory and added to the mix. Such edoids are the Egenni, Epie-Atissa etc. One will notice that the Isokos have both LGAs sandwiched between Igbos of Ukwuani and the Urhobos therefore a good number of Igbos must have moved into the territory and added to the mix to create a further divergence from Urhobo. Some Isoko South communities Igbide to be specific claim Igbo origin but are today Isokos. This is how one can be able to understand the name similarities that exist between Igbo and Isoko. Some Isoko communities are found in the Ndokwa East/Isoko South fringes and the story of a mixture of people is the same. It is with this understanding that one can use to question and look at such communities like Osekwenike and Abuetor(Igbo sounding names) as Igbo communities. I'll appreciate if any Isoko can give us the meaning of those names in the Isoko language.
It is my desire that we discuss these things with the mindset of understanding one another and accepting the truth for what it is.
Another thing we must not forget is the fact that some other really tiny languages might have been swallowed by either Igbo or the edoids around that area because from my studies, I've come to see a continuum that shows clearly how connected most people around that lower Niger is. It might be very difficult to put them into exactly one language family e.g Igboid or edoid or Ijoid. Take for instance, the Igboid Ekpeyes call their king 'Eze Logbo' and here we see an Isoko claim that those communities have their king traditional title as Odiologbo. One can see the clear similarity and can help us to understand the distinction between them and other Isoko communities. I can say for sure that the lower Niger area around Yenagoa, Sagbama, Brass, Ogbia, Ahoada, Abual/Odual and Degema is a melting point of the Igboid/Ijoid/Edoid and the central deta groups. The ijaws clearly masters of the swamps therefore those closer to the swamps are sucked in to their fold. The next like the Abual/Odual, the Ogbia, Kugbo, Abureni, Obulom etc together classified as the Central Delta languages are rarely known in southern Nigeria so they were claimed by the Ijaws. The Ogbias are counted as the biggest of them all.
I'll edit and finish up later. I'll also add a picture of language classification around that area later.

Good bless you sir, you have a good understanding of the History and ethnography of Southern Nigeria.


Once again, thanks for this OBJECTIVE piece.

BKayy:
But your people speak Bini as well. If I can remember when we were still discussing you peoples nationality years ago, your people proudly proclaimed Bini.

Nooo, Isoko is different from Bini but they were parts of the Bini Empire and thus have Edoid heritage.

kmcutez:
Ok. Most people think I’m Igbo when they hear my first and last name.

Even me, I have always assume you to be an Igbo lady.


Nigeria is far more complex than most people know.


When I was in the university, I had a course mate and a friend whose surname is Omachi. For years, I thought he is an Igbo guy until one day we were gisting and someone referred to him as 'you Igbo people' and he told us that he isn't an igbo guy. He said he is from Benue!


Then most people only knew of 'The three major tribes' (Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba) and anybody that wasn't Hausa or Yoruba was branded 'Omo igbo'

kmcutez:
Yeah. Ufoma is isoko name. Can also be spelt as Ufuoma.

I know one aunty in our area bearing Ufoma Akonaghovwo (I am not so sure I get the spelling of the surname well). She is Urbobo

Ofodirinwa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQa7jUozajE

Found a man trying to teach Isoko on Youtube

So far I've learned

1. Ere - Eating
2. Enve - Monkey
3. Anye - Women
4. Omu - Child

What if I tell you that ;

Anye= Onye
Omu= Umu ?

9japride:
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What do you aim to achieve with these lies? If you guys so much hate Igbos, will it not be nice to encourage the national assemble to move a motion to let Igbos go their separate way? What I see here online is mainly jealousy. Igbos are not known to cause any trouble in anywhere they are accommodated, rather they contribute to the economic growth of that area. Propaganda is all I see these days, every sane person knows the tribe that causes nuisance anywhere they find themselves always wanting to use dagger at the slightest disagreement.

Has the National Assembly ever made any law that prevent you from going?

cocolacec:
The igbos claims to be responsible for the high IGR in Lagos state.Every Nigerian knows the igbos are scattered along the length and breadth of Nigeria and so this high IGR should be duplicate everywhere the Igbos live and do business across Nigeria.

Because they are only interested in developing Lagos which they fondly refer to as 'No man's land', Port Harcourt which they have renamed IgweOcha and recently Opobo/Bonny which are now being called Ama Opubo/ Ubani

habsydiamond:
the only reason that will make me marry a single mama will be if I am not aware of the fact that she's one..

Hmn, but some are single mother because 'life happened' to them and not their fault.

Dpsychologist:
Gone are the days when if you are a baby mama its a taboo.

Society have accepted them so they feel entitled like single women.

It is true that single motherhood has now become very common but they are deceiving themselves with such silly entitlement.

habsydiamond:
Truth is bitter but that man said my mind. To that woman now she get sense.. Claiming responsibility to a man who is not ur husband or baby daddy. At the end of the day if the Maan accepts her request he go come turn mumu.. Yeye

Most Nigerian ladies are brought up with the mentality that one man or 'some men' out there should cater for them.
The most annoying one is with the single mothers without steady source of income hoping that her new lovers should help her financially to take care of her needs.

gidgiddy:
Yeah, we Igbos will continue with a name attached to a British officers girlfriend that has since become poverty capital of the world, third most terrorised country on earth and 147 most corrupt nation on earth

Yeah, I can see why a lot of people would love to be part of such a lovely country

It's funny how you people try to extricate yourself from any negative thing about this country but ironically still live in and enjoy the goodness of the same country.

mdntiri:
I'm Ghanaian I've never heard of this Ijaws are from Ghana thing I keep seeing here. Ashanti is in the interior of Ghana and has no coastline

Hmn, you shaa want to puncture their balloon of lies

Eastlink:
Maybe you should me what Nwaku means in Ijaw.

cc Bishopmagic, Oyatz, Tonye and other Ijo nationalists.

I don't know what it means sir.




In the next 200 years, almost all southern Nigeria would have coalesce into one super ethnic group.

ojsmscom:
the current economic move by rivers and Lagos State Government in Nigeria will expose alot of economic irregularities perpetuated by some nothern states in Nigeria.states like Kano and Kaduna are quite populous but what surprises me is why Enugu and Ebonyi generates more money for electricity distribution company than these states..is it that they don't use electricity or they use without paying... please which economic factor could be responsible for this miracle.without sentiment someone should let me know

Issues surrounding electricity go beyond population sir. As someone who once lived and worked in Kano State, I can say that electricity is far more available down south than in Kano State.



However you need to know that these States are served by different electricity companies.

Abohboy:
You really think Jaja was the sole Igbo person to enter Bonny? When we already know that there were Igbos who came at the same time or a bit later then the Ijaws and even Igbos who came as traders and became traditional rulers in Bonny, you cannot denounce the Igbo population in Bonny, it may have been Ijaw 1000 years ago but now it is overly Igbo

I am NOT denouncing anything but correcting the wrong impression that the tribe of the founder of a dynasty must always be the ethnic group of the town.

In any case, Jaja , though was born an IIgbo man but died as an Ijaw man and not an Igbo.

If Opobo and Bonny are Igbo cities, there won't be need for all these debates because it would have been crystal clear to all that they are Igbo cities just as we don't need debates to know that Owerri, Mbaise and Aba are Igbo cities.

DubaiLandLord:


When did the Jews migrated from Israel to Igbo land?

Hmnn, I know where you are going!

bobowaja:
I like setting the record straight. I have seen a lot of lies flying about for the past few days, especially of that boy that wanted to cry cos people spoke Igbo. If Yoruba should start claiming lands, we will claim Edo with Bini sef cos we own their obaship. But we see beyond that. Those are people with different cultures. The only thing we share with Bini is the obaship and as for the citizens, they are not Yoruba.

That Oba of Bini have Yoruba ancestors doesn't mean his kingdom belongs to us. Same fallacy you guys want to pull on bonny cos jaja had Igbo bloodline.

Jaja alone can't constitute the town just as a tree doesn't make a forest.


Who were the wives of Jaja and they were from which tribe? Who were the chiefs, servants, soldiers and followers of Jaja and what was their tribe?

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Your wife is beautiful shaa

Maxymilliano:
I wondered what will he the fare of non productive states like Ekiti, Kebbi, Jigawa, Yobe etc if the court ruling is allowed to stand

Water will find it's levels.



These States are not unproductive, they will simply look inwards to find what they can tax among the things they produce e.g 1) Yobe, Katsina, Jigawa can introduce 5% VAT on every cattle, bags of onions, beans, rice and millets they produce.

2) Ekiti, Osun and Kwara will introduce 5% VAT on Kolanuts, eggs, animal feeds, timbers, cassava and other Agricultural produce.



With time, each State will be demanding to mine it's mineral resources.

Welcome to the gradual introduce of RESTRUCTURING

That mean he is well fed by the DSS.

Allsouls:
Since all ethnic groups dont like Buhari but pretend, only Igbos from day one shows that we hate the idiot with out pretending. It's now from you mouth that were not Nigerians but Biafran's we don't belong in the contraption called Nigeria. Every where on that 9th will be lock down.

Apart from Nairaland and other social media, where else do this Biafra exist?

richmond500:
Minus the debt of these states and I'll be richer than some states

You don't understand the ratings. It's not talking about Budget and Account balances of the Governments of each State.

Simps disgust me

Abohboy:
They're kind of a mix of Bantu, Yoruba and Igbo

Their attire is Yoruba
Their known for business and industry like the Igbo
Their music is like Yoruba and Igbo
Their language is a grassfield anguage which is very similar to Bantu languages

Most people don't really know that we are related than what is presently acknowledged. Before the advent of colonialism, most people freely move from one territory to another.

Kaduna1stson:
Awon land grabbers

Apart from Dahomey, there's no other place related to yoruba. What about our people fulani that are indegenous to the south west, please add them to the list.

Discussions about Genetic Haplogroups is beyond your level of education, exposure and understanding.
It's better that you keep quiet and learn or go to the Children section.

HornyTave:
can you make a scenario narrative how Oranmiyan seized/captured the throne without a fight?

This is not the bone of contention.


My point is that Oranmiyan wasn't one of the Ogisos. There was even a an interregum between the Ogiso ere and the Advent of Obaship when Igodomingodo became a Republic before transforming into Ile-Ibinu , Ubini and finally Bini Empire

RobbStark:
I really do not have time for them cos their rant na here e end..

They own everywhere in Naija but when e be, them go run go east crying that they have list everything.
They are yet to learn their lesson
Same way they claim Ph is Ibo land yet they were driven out.

I am waiting for their new thread as day break.
Mumu people

They often fail to learn from the mistakes of the past.


They ought to learn from the events of 1967-1970 and build on the positive aspects while discarding the negative aspects.

Eastlink:
You guys never seize to amaze me. Another Ijaw on the loose licking his wounds. A champion that took cover when his boys were pummeled with raw facts should hide in shame. Hope you can see that the thread has been done and dusted as those who brought evidence to the thread have all gone leaving you in your myseries. Your's will always be on fraudulent history of yesterday's concoted stories. Maybe you need to call Prof. Alagoa to come to your rescue as only him seems to have the fake evidence in his book.
Your inputs is as irrelevants as you have nothing to hold on. Come back when men take their sits.

Stop writing things that aren't relevant to the question he asked; list the War Canoes houses of Opobo that are Igbo?

OfoIgbo:
I want you to access this YouTube video. Start to watch from 5:30, as I need you to observe the Ijaw fedora hats those canoe people are wearing. Now from 6:00, listen to the interviewee mention some of the participants in the Opobo boat regatta competition, which includes OJEZULIGBO, OKWUEME,. OBIEFULE e.t.c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6pvy66l_4E&t=368s


Anyway, the most popular politician in Opobo has already declared the Igboness of Opobo so you lot are wasting time

This is not about the war canoe houses and the question he asked.


Your line of defence is similar to Chief Jim Nwobodo declaring before the PDP delegates at the 1999 Jos Convention that he himself is also a Northerner and he gave his speech in Hausa Language.