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Like someone says why did you come to Nairaland of all places for advice from faceless fruitcakes ? In matter like these you have 3 choices : talk to god, talk to your pastor, or talk to your lawyer. Scratch pastor, his own marriage too is falling apart.

What is the greatest thing that both of you have (or have had) together ? Protect it with humility and with all your might and trust everything else to God, and this storm will pass. Bigger ones will surely come but you are building experience here

I watched the film and it had nothing to do with Islam other than "Alfa Sule". It is essentially a comedy and it parodies almost all the religions including white garment churches and traditional. Harmless fun as far as I could see.

This will only make Alfa Sule a multi millionaire as everyone will now want to watch the film. Lucky guy.

It already has hit Nigeria - It is called Yaradua
And before that - Obasanjo
And before that - Abacha
And before that - ,

When I posted something like this few weeks ago I was nearly killed
You people never see anything. Sooner or later you will always OVERSTAY your welcome in the house of even the best of friends , talk less of congenital bigots.

kadman:
Pafun you've said FOUR times now that you're out of this thread. . You couldn't even stick to your words, that shows the kind of person you are. Coupled with that are insults you've used like F*** you e.t.c, what are you ? 12. You couldn't even hold down one single argument logially,

4 whole times within a week and I use f words ?! Gee I must have been really angry with ppl here forgive me and thanks for following me , I am flattered
Sorry I don't do arguments I just say what I believe , and I believe everybody is entitled to their own opinion , so don't be shy to make yours.
Cheers.

lekside44:
jobs or no job, if you are opportune to go, do not hesitate(unless the money are rolling here for you ). at least if you do not get it rigth your children who are born there are automatic citizens and have a better chance than maybe back home. they may even come home and get the big jobs here.

Exactly the same kind of mentality that I was complaining about - the belief that as soon as you step out of Nigeria and into London things immediately start getting better for you. That is why we have so many Nigerians there making a nuisance of themselves and giving the country a bad name.

I have a friend whose wife of more than 20 years living in US threatened him with divorce. My friend hired a lawyer to throw her out of his life permanently. She tried to retract but the harm had been done. The system abroad encourages single parents and women are actively encouraged to divorce their husbands at the least provocation especially when they are at economic advantage - or they perceive that the venture could prove lucrative in terms of alimony and related settlement. Our women living abroad need more education of the right kind. Many behave like village girls who have just ben brought to Lagos and trying exceedingly hard to look funky so that nobody will know that they are fresh from the village - and you know they always overdo it with disastrous consequences.

Marriages are really c.rap anyway. There is more than 90% probability that one partner is going to wake up one day and say hey I am not enjoying this anymore. Should I spend all the rest of my life in this mess ? It might be caused by one of a hundred possible reasons . Many go into adultery and eventually towards divorce. In Nigeria the extended family, church, friends are always at hand to prevent total collapse. Outside and abroad you don't have this and so the possibility that the divorce will occur is high. I have never seen a couple who have been married long enough and not once thought of a breakup - ask your parents. Most marriages are actually held together by children , without children no amount of intervention can save a marriage on the way out.

Do recognise that I said that particular job was the last I did in UK. I had before this lived and worked in that country for almost five years and I know all tat is needed to be known about the citizens. It is not a bit like America believe me.

ogajim:
OP: One of the fundamental requirements of an immigrant is the ability to assimilate because it is wrong to expect your hosts to adapt to you instead of you adapting to their culture or way of life, that explains some of the issues you had with them. You are back in Nigeria now and doing well so no need for any lecture.

timaus: One of the benefits of a civilized (and even some uncivilized) cultures is the choice that's available to all, everyone can't be farmers or business men. With two Masters degrees you should know that some of have entrepreneurial impulses while others have technocratic impulses (Some folks sadly have neither) but I think you get my drift.

If there are Nigerians like that here, I haven't seen and maybe I do need to get out more but this place is not conducive for that, the women won't take it for one.

I knew someone would try to bash me for this. I think that one of the fundamental requirements for gaining respect of other people is to make them respect your individuality. I gained the respect of my co-workers for this. I certainly feel better being called Olawale (not my real name) than being called Wally. Additionally I performed, if I didn't no amount of "assimilation"would have kept me on the job - it would have just been "one nigger less, the better the show". As a matter of fact the "culture of life" in England is two-facedness , and you should face to recognize that to your own peril.

Sorry I won't discuss this any further. I don't hate anybody. We are all good and bad in our own unique ways. In retrospect they may not actually have hated me . They actually might not have understood me . I certainly was struggling to understand their culture and assimilate it , but I was still too Afrocentric and actually insisted that they call me nothing other than my full Yoruba name - no abbreviation, no Anglicizing. Hey I was an inconsiderate p.rick.

manny4life:
Get it but what was the resentment all about? Did they spite you or what?

Primarily I got better paid than most of them. Secondly most of the problems that many find so tough to solve I did almost effortlessly, even my boss hated this -never ever let your boss think you are better than he is. Third was my fault - I didn't pub; so some of them actually thought what this said was like I thought I was superior to them [who the hell does this nigger think he is ? ].
Most were quite nice gentlemen though when you deal with them one 2 one. It is when they get together behind your back especially over a pint or two that they become wild beasts. Many till remain my friends however.

Not that I cared what anyone did for a living though as long as your bills got paid.

manny4life:
No offense, I'm confused I'm certainly not getting where your resentment came from. I mean was it from the Nigerian cleaners, or your co-workers whom you worked with for abt 10 years?

No I only worked in that particular office for 18 months. The resentment was from my oyinbo co-workers . Most of the Nigerian cleaners were simply ashamed to be seen doing this work.

@cap28
My last year working in UK and in the City was in an office where I was the only black person. The Nigerian cleaners who came to do their work after dusk always regarded me with amazement as I had this habit of working late most days - like what the hell is a Nigerian doing here ?. From my colleagues at work , most of whom have been in the firm more than 10 years all I could feel was resentment everyday , and if I wasn't so good at what I did I am sure wouldn't have lasted 2 weeks. I guess this was one of the reasons that made me finally return home - the realisation that these arseholes would never take me as their equal even though every day I proved myself better than them in every way. This is England - very unpredictable, very treacherous.

silentc:
Pafun, your tone and choice of words are not necessary in any way (highlighted in black above). You can make a point without using words that are abusive. You are entitled to your opinions in a free and open forum without being abusive. This is a debate, not a slanging match. If anyone else has abused you, I would suggest you be the bigger man and ignore it.


Your point of view will be lost to who ever is reading your opinions as it comes shrouded in a bed of insults.

OK sorry mate. God bless you all of you [f**kers]

For those who have again continued to sing the tune - let nigeria get better if they want us to come back , it is quite obvious that you possess basic cognitive skills and you deserve whatever has happened to bring you to this sorry pass and the eventual outcome of you misguided adventure . If you are doing well wherever you are for God's sake stay there . Nigeria has enough problems and could do without more negative thinkers especially those who also excel at buffoonery. But if your condition has turned out to be even more pathetic than it was before you left Nigeria and you are joining all other clowns in that sing song , then you definitely are the greatest Arrow in the world and you will do well to find a circus to take you with them on exhibition.

No country owes anyone a living. Nigeria does not owe you or me a living - we must make a living individually by ourselves in the way we find fit. We all have different skills and aptitude and must find our level wherever we are. The only thing that Nigeria owes all of us is an "environment" which we must assist to create because this environment includes every one of us living in the country.

UK also owes none of you a living .Heck even the citizens are not under such idiotic impression .If you are there under the premises that "they assisted the politicians to steal our money and we are here to get it back and spend it' , I hope they send you to prison before they finally kick you out for good like the vermin you are.

[quote author=ezego_1 link=topic=394721.msg5490105#msg5490105 date=1265831463]I would like to give my 2 pence worth on this thread. Like the story of blind men going to see the elephant and having different perspectives of what an elephant actually looked like , all were right in their own "views".
its so obvious what pafun thinks of the UK (which is very obvious). i bet he is one of those people who stay in places like peckham(no disrespect here), associates with people from this class of Nigerians living there and obviously he has never met a different league of Nigerians in places like Knightsbridge and Chelsea who are "holding things down" in top notch investment banks making 6 figures salaries plus bonuses etc.
if you look at his discription of what he call living it up in nigeria as well he thinks having a poultry farm is the poo when there are people doing major sturvs in Nigerian playing with bilions of doolars.

I would implore everyone to understand that peoples perspectives are different (and correct to themselves) so there is no point arguing with him.[/quote]What is obvious about "what Pafun thinks of UK" ?. I think it is a delightful place and that is why I am here on holidays. My grouse is with Nigerians making complete arseholes of themselves all over the place like staying put  in UK is a do or die thing. When I was working  in London I lived in Clayhall you clown, and that is quite far from Peckham which I am sure is the only place you've ever heard about. I also worked in the City alongside the "top notchers" which you think are your own personal gods. And what kind of mugu would want to live permanently in Knightsbridge by the way unless you don't know what to do with your money - and you enjoy having IR crawl up your  arse? Stop dreaming and stop reading about London from discarded magazines you have purchased for N20 in Lagos. I earn a good living from what I do and I don't need billions of anything before I enjoy my life and care for my family. Your perception  of life and what makes it complete is obviously very illiterate and you will definitely find good companions in London; pack your bags and get ready to go also.

Devonian:
@ PAFUN:

I am a school teacher and head of my department in a top notch UK College. I know loads of Nigerians who are professionals: academics, lawyers, medical doctors, pharmacists, banking and finance experts, architects—you name it. I’ve met priests/vicars/pastors contributing meaningfully to their communities as well. Besides, there are Nigerians—men and women—running legitimate, successful businesses: shipping, high street (African) stores, top of the range boutique shops, etc. Let’s be realistic—in comparison with guys doing credit card and allied fraudulent activities, bringing us shame—our Nigerian guys are also into low paid, odd jobs, which belittle the academic degrees they earned from UI, OAU, UNN, UNILAG, which, nonetheless considerably outweighs some lecturers' wages in Nigerian universities.

This said, for the OP (Pafun), to come on this site to claim that because “two friends - grown up men in their 40s, have not had a job for almost two years and just living on their wives who are nurses. I am sure there are hundreds of similar instances like that all over” is, to say the least: daft, silly, senseless and logically incoherent. You simply shouldn’t use the example of 2 guys to generalise that there are hundreds of similar Nigerian men across the UK. Even my Year 10 students wouldn’t draw such a silly, unempirical conclusion.

As per “Naija churches in London are filled with peeps wearing mournful looks and you can see that their lives are going nowhere.” Where did you get this from? Which Church is that? Where is it located? I’m appalled. Having lived in the UK for over ten years, I’ve not come across a dull Nigerian congregation. Not even catholic or Anglican congregations (with majority Nigerian population) where the rubrics drive the liturgy.

Pafun goes on to say, these Nigerian men “are too proud to let anybody know that” they’re jobless. Are you a job centre agent or an employment agency staff that they’ll tell you they have no jobs? Have you jobs to offer them in your fishery? Pafun further wonders, “Why can't people just get wise that they are living in fool's paradise.” This is again a bogus claim. Wise up? Who says they’re silly? A friend of my living in Manchester lost his job in the banking industry at the peak of the financial meltdown, and hasn’t been “working” in the last 14 months. Of course, he had put to excellent use, his years of service with the bank by building a portfolio of buy-to-let properties. Yes, he has no "job," today, but earning enough from his properties. Mr Pafun, you really think those your jobless friends would tell you of their other legitimate sources of income, e.g. if they have properties they’re renting out and making some cool money? YOU and YOU ALONE MUST BE LIVING IN YOUT FISHERY’S FOOL PARADISE. Yes, “at home you get sympathy” from who? ARMED ROBBERS? KIDNAPPERS? Et al. I was in Nigeria last summer. That country is, palpably, degenerating by the minute. if I loose my job today (God forbid), I'll rather take up a call center job or cleaning job, than return to Nigeria and teach in a university. When a friend lecturing in UNILAG (position = Lecturer 1) visited the UK for a conference, he told me what he earns, it equates with what a school caretaker (with no academic qualifications) gets. Quality of life? the caretaker rides 54 Reg Avensis, has his own (mortgaged) house, regularly goes on holidays, and apparently has PEACE OF MIND.

Mr PAFUN -- Go and wise up. Thank you.

If I was earning good money in the UK I will not go to internet to defend  my claim. Rather I will keep it to myself and laugh at Pafun  from my house in Essex. I say you f**kers are full of s.hit .

lolupee:
@ SilentC. God bless you for that apt comment. It is neither here no there, it depends on what you want in your life, what matters to you, time & chance, and a lot of many other things.
@CAP-- i hope you read what Silentc had to say?
My phone just rang minutes ago, a consultant called me to ask I was interested in a job in Wales, paying £310 per day. I know its not the end of the world if i get this job, but ,, am tired of talking. I might even go to Naija and start a bizz that'll make me more richer. So, Cap, dont be chatting like that.

I challenge your claim sir. For one reason your English is atrocious and you don't sound like someone likely to be offered 300quid a day anywhere. Sorry you don't have the X factor.
[ I am sorry Simon Cowell wouldn't have ben kinder to you.]

AjanleKoko:
Na wa o!

'Are there jobs in the UK' don turn to another 'which is better, Nigeria or UK?' thread!
Are you guys not tired of this?
I actually thought you guys wanted to discuss the UK job market, and provide useful information for whoever might be interested.
Nigerians' matter no dey ever simple sha. Small wonder the nation is always in crisis.

I wonder o !
Don't you know UK is the place where jobless Nigerians now go to be recruited and trained by AlQueda to bomb American planes. With [UK-dwelling]  people like you have on Nairaland  so ferociously defending their own foolishness no wonder America thinks we are all mindless terrorists. 

Benuromi:
Hello Pafun, you are totally wrong with all your comment. i think you need abit or if not more of education because everything about you is ignorance. I have lived in UK for 5yrs and happily married. i lost my job last year November and got a new job last month. if you think that all about UK is pay bills. I can tell you that i have 3 houses in Nigeria. me and my wife lived our own mortgage. evening if i pay bills, i can still invest. i work in BAA security since last month and my wife have being working there for 9yrs now.
Why can`t you just do something positive about your life or channel all this energy you used to destroy your so call friend into the business you said you have ( sort of).
I have alot of friends who do different types of job and they are all doing well ( they got project back home).
All i want to say to you is that, you are so foolish to talk about your friend here. You will remain a fool if you don`t change.
I can send you my number and am coming to Nigeria next week and i will show you alot to prove to you that we don`t only pay bills but invest. Try and learn.

Another pafun - basher. Okay next person take a number and get in line.

[thank god pafun is not my real name ]

Half knowledge or half education is a bad thing o!

AngieFan:
Thread diversion!!!

Can someone tell me where I can get a room for £1000 a year in London?

OK wrong calculation - you will be paying 5000 pounds a year for a ratty room in London while you can pay 1000 for a whole house in Abeokuta.
Now i am convinced that most of the ppl who hang out on Nairaland went to Koranic school (Ile kewu)
All I have been reading for the past day in this thread is Laila illala  Laila illala   UK illala   UK illala  Laila illala  Laila illala

Can you not read and understand simple English ?  I don't even know how some of you ever managed to get to UK.  Abi na Ori olori  you carry ?
My last post here.

jay bee:
Dude seriously has nuff beef for the UK. Going by one of his previous thread on NL https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=178578.msg2887694#msg2887694 you will see that their is more to his hatred of the UK.

Beef ko , panla ni.

londoner:
@Jay bee, thanks for posting the thread,[b] it gave some insight to the OP's possible intention [/b]in creating this thread.

Lol, he/she seems to have an issue with the UK.

Dem talk oyibo pass Englishman. Dis one get meaning so ? I wrote about men  living  like worms , you misinterpreted it into attack on UK. You go school so?

Typical Nairaland responses

Poster : I wouldn't consider living abroad
NLanders : Oh it is because he wasn't given visa. Bad belle.


Poster : I have lived abroad and returned home , and I prefer being home
NLanders : Oh , na lie he must have been deported. Bad belle


Poster: I think UK is over rated
NLanders :Stupid man is Nigeria better. Shut your mouth.


Poster: Are there jobs in UK ?
NLanders :Are there jobs in Nigeria ? Me I no dey clean toilet sha o. I be proper legit with red pali. Na God go punish you for your foolish talk

Dem talk oyinbo pass Englishman

pappilo:
Thanks JJay. Those that dont know cant know. To be honest I also used to doubt those figures when I freshly arrived in the UK but as they say seeing is believing.

@ Pafun

I am just on my way to work, 1430 start. London is a 24 hour city so some of us have to work odd shifts. You lived in the UK for 6 years and you never heard the word locum? Anyway a locum is a contarctor doctor.

Why do people get so hot under the collar whenever you say anything negative about UK; do they have something they desperately want to hide ?  Where in dictionary does locum automatically mean contractor doctor ? Have you never heard of locum nurses or locum lawyers or locum secretaries ? If you don't understand English don't pretend to. locum means "temporary" and I don't get the impression that  a Temp is a good job . That is why they are paid a lot higher than others who have permanent jobs.I know SAP contractors who can't keep a job for more than a few months at a time and others who have not lost a job in 5 years both in UK . What sort of job are you doing that qualifies you to work "odd shifts" shuttling between Lagos and London (North of the river   Hackney and Eastham are North of river by the way and you won't catch me dead living in either place)

This is getting to be a madhouse  I am out of here.
[who the heck put this on the front page anyway ?]

pappilo:
This pafun is a big M.U.M.U.

I live in the UK and between Dec 2005 and August 2006, I was out of work. So if Pafun had met me during that period he would have thought I was a useless man abi? Today I have a house, a flat I rent out and make a profit on, 2 cars including a brand new Merc, savings, shares and a well paying job. Glory be to God. If I wasnt sacked from my other job , I wouldnt have got the job I have today which pays me more than I need. Somethings happen for a reason. In the neighbourhood I live over here there are quite a few Nigerians and they all have good jobs, live in their own homes and drive good cars. Many of them are contractors earning as much as £500/day. My wifes brother came to this country in Sep 2008 for hs masters. He finished in Dec and started work last month as a locum and is clearing £2000/ week. So Pafun if you roll in a circle with loser friends do not use that to judge the rest of us hardworking Nigerians in the UK.

God will save me from illiterates on Nairaland .
1. Before you can make me accept this, first change your profile location to London (or whatever) instead of Lagos, so that I can know where you are writing from.
2, If you are posting on Nairaland at this time of the day in UK (or wherever) it is doubtful that you have a job, and if you do you may soon lose it because it is against work ethics to do this.
3. Where in the original post did I mention your name ? When you call the vegetable seller and she angrily replies without provocation that she doesn't sell bad vegetables , better be suspicious of what she is selling
4. Where in the original post id I make generalised assessment of job conditions of Nigerians in UK ?
5. You did not have job in 2005 and you got in 2006 . Congrats.  The job market was still in bloom in 2005 by the way. Is 2006 the same as 2010 ?
6. You have two cars and two houses since 2006  on a job in UK ?.Congrats again, even though how much of it belongs to you and how much to finance ? If you bought them cash  I very much doubt it. Else are you selling funny powders ?
7. You have friends earning 500quid a day . How many days are they working in a year ? Not very many I am sure. I know several IT contractors , Nigerians and British; who have  not worked more than 5 days a month for 3 years
7. Your wife's brother  is now working as a locum on 2000 quid a week . Locum what ?

I think you are dreaming. Whatever your present disease is I sincerely  sympathise with you,

I quote you :

IykeD:
The thing with Nigerians is that once they think they have arrived, they see their fellow beings as less of humans.Who in his right sense of mind will leave his country to another man's land to go do menial jobs if his own country was better off.

If you go to another man's land in the hope that it is better than yours and for some reason the experience in terms of joblessness has proved no better , I will be man enough to go back home or look for somewhere else. That is what I did.