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Mr Vicjustice
You don't want to leave me alone?
What do you think? Should I erase the thread?Or should we leave it for the records?
It was so much fun and success for me.
You were quite informative but shallow.
Anyways, I guess its obvious I won on all grounds.

But Mr Vicjustice, "Medicines Sans Frontiers" and you gat all this time to be on Nairaland? I don't know any doctor that has that much time.

Incase you are spoiling for a fight, I would be glad to crush you on some other thread.

Best Wishes man.

@Mr vicjustice.
I would definitely not let you have the last word on this thread.
Once more thanks. Your posts have really benefitted us.
I hope I didn't offend you personally in anyway. The "gay" thing is just a tool I used to keep you pissed off.Don't take it personal.

So I hereby retire this thread.

Papabrowne has just signed out.
Thanks people. You've been great.

Vicjustice:
Well, i paid 700 Euro (not dollar) to do a new passport in Athens, Greece

Most people are intelligent enough to know never to pay such an amount for a Nigerian passport. This guy is obviously not one of them!!

Imani,
Sincerely, I do not have a personal problem with you or anyone on this thread. I respected your posts all through.
I don't see you as an enemy. I respect the fact that you try hard to protect the interests of Nairalanders from fraudsters.
I posted this Topic genuinely, with no intentions to defraud or mislead anybody.
Maybe the word "pawn" is too harsh a description, but I had 2 utilise that negativity for the benefit of the thread and you guys came in handy.

While there is no truth whatsoever, to the extreme negatives posted by some weird fellow, I have never seen anywhere where a company promotes a product or service by bringing out any scratches of the product.

I have watched for five years on CNN, the "Malaysia, Truly Asia" campaign that paints the country as paradise, yet if you drive a few miles out of Kaula Lumpur, you will see some poverty not too far from that of Africa.
So how come no regulatory body has complained. It is marketing.

On the new post similar to this, I regret that anyone might want to spin off something similar. I fault you guys for giving it undue publicity.If you feel like the poster is insincere, ignore it , and it would fizzle out in minutes.

@Vicjustice
While I really wouldn't want to join issues with you, I have never stated anywhere that we provide bank statements for anybody.
The Topic program is closed, so I'm just enjoying myself here. You really don't have to take any post personal, it's just a webpage.And stop getting sick because of me please, it wouldn't do you any good.

Thanks once more, you were the best pawn in the marketing plan.

Yeeeeah!! It worked. I'm loving this thread every post after.

Thanks Imani and wikjustice for been my pawns.
You have fallen victims of one of Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power.
"Draw your enemies closer and use them to further your goals".
You have helped promote this program way beyond my expectations.
The only problem is that we have limited spaces, if not you would have succeeded in making us ten times richer than expected.

Don't you realise that anytime you post something on this thread, you place it at the forefront of the travel page, hence giving it much more exposure?
The target audience (now our beloved clients) never goes down the thread to read all the lies and negativity you are painting about Estonia.They are only interested in the Topic.
I wish you knew how you've been calculatedly drawn into this thread to help promote it.
Thanks a whole lot.Its been a huge success.

Once more, there is no place in the Topic with defrauding or misleading information.
The website www.isu.ut.ee provides all the details. The info on the posting is the same as stated by the University.

For your information, our clients are very intelligent people, as the first thing they do after reading the topic posting, is to research Estonia on their own.
They love the country.They want to go. They love the program. They want to attend.

So once more, Imani and wikjusticte( or gayjustice), thanks a lot.You've been great instruments in a marketing campaingn.I hope I don't have to pay royalties

You guys have a lot to learn from this book:
http://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197

@globalaid
Sincerely, your English is too poor for me to respond to your post.

@Mrpataki
Mrpataki or whatever you call yourself, ( maybe you think you are the Governor of NewYork).
Why would you assume that we don't have a website without asking for one?

Hmmm, people are funny!
I am not obliged to reply any posts since as stated, we are fuller than capacity already.
But I would.

Imani:
I checked the website you posted and it is ok. You should have posted it in your first post to avoid any doubts.

Good that you already have people interested but just remember to tell them the real deal and don't encourage them to disappear so it doesnt affect your business later.

I noticed in your posts you didn't retract any of the wrong information you posted earlier especially about Estonia being part of the Schenghen states. It would have been nice and that would convince people that you are human, make mistakes and not afraid to admit them rather going defensive and praising yourself or attacking other posters. Nobody wants spoil your business. It is a good business opportunity but like everything else, you need to build a solid reputation. It is not a Nigerian male thing is it?

I didn't retract any information because none of it was wrong.
1)I stated that Estonia is a member of the E.U. That is very correct.
2)I stated that new E.U states including Estonia would join Schengen in 2007. That is correct.
3)Estonia is presently a member of the schengen agreement, however it starts implementing the agreement in December 2007.
4)Estonia is a gorgeous country.It is located 50 miles from Finland,200 miles from Sweden.
The economy is booming.Estonian properties are been rushed by British and Irish citizens.These are facts.
Do the research yourself.
Please pin point any wrong or misleading information.

Imani, while you are genuine in your postings, you shouldn't speak with as much authority as you have on issues you barely understand.
because u're nice and genuine, I'll explain the process to you slightly. (not that it matters)
First, the programme is intended for genuine applicants.However, there is hardly anything like a genuine applicant in Nigeria,hence the "Vanish"clause.
The Estonian Visa issued is for six months starting July, so before it expires the borders will be completely open.
In all immigration laws, there are loopholes that can be used to your advantage.And that is what we are using for our clients on this program.
The fact that you can marry an American for the sole purpose of getting a Green card is a loophole in the immigration system and the INS knows about it.
When Pregnant women were rushing to Ireland to give birth, they were taking advantage of the fact that a child born in Ireland automatically entitles the mother to a permanent residence.
That is a loophole in the immigration system.
So if we have found a loophole in the E.U immigration policy, and choose to use it to the benefit of our clients, Bravo.

On your statement about english speaking countries, be informed that there are only two English speaking countries in Europe(U.k & Ireland), so if you insinuate that those are the only countries ideal for Nigerians, then take a tour around Europe and see for yourself whether or not Nigerians have made success elsewhere.

Vicjustice:
Amani, Good that you're in the States. Right from your first comment, and as i followed the discussion, i understood that you were neither fooled nor impressed by this Scammer known as Papabrowne. Keep it up!

Imani, your "boyfriend" (wikjustice) has just called me a scammer. Please tell him I really wouldn't want to join issues with him.

It's funny how people just come out here with intentions to spoil opportunities for others.

Please read the post again and properly.The program I've spoken of is a very authentic and genuine program.
You can visit www.isu.ut.ee.
For your information, I would never cheat or defraud anyone. It is clearly stated that the fees are to be paid directly to the University.
I am very comfortable in my life and I have pretty much achieved much more than the average person my age(even internationally), hence, to suggest that I would come to Nairaland to seek who 2 cheat is very unfair.

Funnily, we already have more interested applicants than we can process. It has been more succesful than anticipated.

For those who genuinely have the interests of fellow Nairalanders and seek to protect them against fraudsters- You have done well and I appreciate your comments
For those that have chosen to exube negative energy in every nook and cranny- Word of Admonition " What goes around comes around"
Thanks all for the comments.

Hmmm,

Vicjustice:
[s]DO NOT LET this so called Bababrown fool you, he doesn't even know what he's talking about. Though, i live in Dublin, but as a volunteer who has spent a great deal of time in the Baltic states, i'm in position to tell you some facts about Estonia.
Estonia, though it joined the EU in 2004, it's not a member of the schengen states. A visa for Estonia is in accordance with the Baltic States Treaty (an agreement which makes it also valid for Latvia and Lithuanian only). The Baltic is the sea that's connects to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia: These three Baltic states are sister countries that used to be under the Soviet union
(Be aware that there is no country's visa (not even the schengen visa) that is acceptable in the UK or Ireland)
The economy in Estonia is not encouraging for people who want to make it abroad, even the Estonians are everywhere in richer EU states for better paid jobs.
Estonia (like Latvia and Lithuania) are only popular for tourism purposes, it's not an ideal destination for someone who's in pursuit for greener pastures.
The article of Bababrown, reveals that he just doesn't know what he claims to be his field of profession thus his business claim is not one that is credible or one that is substain.
BEWARE OF HIM!

[s]Hmmm vicjustice.
You appear like a very sad man.Hope life is treating you good.Anyways, you sound arrogant, ignorant and very negative.
I just ran through your posts and I found that out of 14 posts, all your talk is negative. The only post where you sound happy is the one where you are in bed with a gay prostitute.
How would I want to join issues with someone of your personality.[/s]
[/s]
But I will give you the benefit of doubt and answer you politely.

First, you are not very well informed because if you were, you would know that the new E.You. countries that joined in 2004 become schengen states in 2007.Estonia is one of them.
Read this article to eliminate your ignorance.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/04/f3403f9e-5bd7-4f74-8504-7395a7a10fe2.html

Secondly, your points are baseless and lack substance because
Estonia is the best performing economy in Europe currently, as it recorded the fastest growth in 2006 of 11%.This growth was five times the European average.
Read article to expose your arrogance.
http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1171364411.21/

Estonia is one of the most tech savvy countries worldwide.
Hear what New York times says,it might help you deviate from you negativity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/13/technology/13skype.html?ex=1179892800&en=0e168692f4d8ab37&ei=5070

And for your information Mr vicjustice; It is not my profession.It is just one of the companies I own.

One word of advice;Be a happier person.It helps.You might want to buy this book,it will help you smile a little more.
www.amazon.com/Your-Best-Life-Now-Potential/dp/0446532754

Anyways, thanks for the comment, it placed this post at the forefront and gave it more exposure.Thanks

Imani:
@Papabrowne,

If Nigeria was as hard as you make out, why are u still in the country and trying to help others to get out?

Imani, Nigeria is hard oh.But there's a lot of money here.And that's why I'm back here.
You actually have to have some foreign exposure and some good capital to make it here.
U say u are coming back right? That would be nice.But be well prepared and plan properly.
How long have you been out?

Hmmm

gbeborun:
It's very easy to fool people with pictures. Make sure Mr. Agent that you let people know what they are going into. Vanish easy to spell, but the consequences and frustration can be DARE! BEWARE

Why is it that Nigerians abroad never like Nigerians at home to travel out? I lived out in Europe and America for a while and I know that negativity.When new people arrive from Nigeria, the older ones are always very negative.They begin to paint very ugly pictures.Why

The truth is; Life is much much harder in Nigeria than anywhere in Europe.
What consequences and frustrations can you compare to robbers killing people indiscriminately.Or constant NEPA BLACKOUT and all those unhealthy fumes from generators.Or how would you compare shopping in Tesco 2 shopping in Oshodi?Funnily Tesco is now cheaper!

Vanish easy to spell but that is what many Nigerians did and are now very successful, both in Europe and America.
Eg of successful immigrants worldwide include Arnold Schwarznegger, Lakshim Mittal,George Soros,Barack Obama and a million others.These people have become highly successful against all odds.

So Mr Gbeborun, if you think other Nigerians shouldn't travel, I implore you to get on the next plane and come and better your country.I'm back and contributing positively to this potentially great country.

Imani:
Are you serious?

As a travel agent, you should be aware of the negative reputation Nigeria and Nigerians have in other parts of the world.

Encouraging people to vanish to other parts of Europe will only create a situation whereby future geniune applicants will be denied visas in the future.

Note to all interested,

Please think well, before launching to places in Eastern Europe, while the countries and infrastructure are nice, the same cannot be said of most residents attitude towards black people.

@Imani
I understand your point, and I don't intend to make future genuine applicants to be denied visas.But the fact remains that Immigration is always going to be a part of humanity.It operates on the same scientific theory as Osmosis.People are always going to move from regions of higher concentration of poverty to regions of wealth.

Estonia is not exactly located in Eastern Europe, but in the North. Actually, The capital of Estonia, Talinn is less than 50 miles from Helsinki, capital of Finland and 200miles from Stockholm, capital of Sweden.And you are very much aware that scandinavian countries are way better that the U.K.

Also, i think Eastern Europe is friendlier to Africans than Western Europe.You can't compare the treatment of Africans in places like Hungary, Czech, Slovenia etc to Germany, Belgium or Austria.Nigerians fare better in the east than the west.

Finally, we do tell people how best to survive,get you papers and make a honest living in these countries after vanishing.So lay aside pessimism, it is well.
Thanks for the comments and apprehensions.God bless you all.

10,000 MW electricity will only cause more power shortage.
Let me explain.
When power supply increases,the effect on the Nigeria economy will be so massive. All business that hitherto spent millions yearly on diesel generators would now use all that money to improve their systems.That improvement will lead to better efficiency.Better efficiency will lead to excess liquidity, which would naturally lead to better salaries and more money in everybody's pocket.
Now, because people are making more money, both business and salary wise, they will start purchasing heavy electrical appliances like Air conditioners, Freezers, Microwaves, TVs, building bigger houses that would require much more electricity .
This scenario would multiply our power consumption radically.The comfortable zone we would have 2 get to should be somewhere around 25,000 MW.However, if you benchmark with countries like South Africa,Our comfortable zone would be 110,000MW for our population.
So before you sell off your generator,think twice. You might actually have 2 buy a bigger one!!

1m Naira wouldn't do for an intercity taxi service if you intend 2 own or lease the vehicles.
On the other hand, you can get people to run their taxis on your service.
It's so funny how Lagos doesn't have any taxi company you can just call, and they will come pick you up wherever you are.
Hey, U should put meters on the cabs!!

[quote author=wa_do_mi link=topic=53987.msg1125439#msg1125439 date=1179488590]as if it counts - u can have an American/British passport and amount to nothing in life and you can have a Nigerian passport and become one of the best in the whole wide world.

Go to the bank with your American/British passport and tell them u want to use it to collect moent because u are not a Nigerian - stupid lots.

Because you dressed like a raggedy person and the immigration suspects you, u now say it is because u carry a Nigerian passport. Shio.[/quote]@Wa_Do_Mi
You too talk.I never dress raggedy.I dress as the situation warrants.
Anybody who wears a suit or high heels on a long haul flight because you want white folks to smile at you hasn't grown up yet.
Girl, if you're into that Business like dress style on every flight you take,then i guess u haven't stocked up enough frequent flier miles yet.

Wadomi,whats up with all that vulgarity on your other posting.I don't even believe you are a chic.

Dis Guy:
all these for just E1500, what a bargain, how do i apply?

[size=2pt]^{Send an Email to my box with your Name, Telephone Number and Location(City) and I'll send you the application form and the complete program information}[/size].

@The One
quote author=The One link=topic=53987.msg1124204#msg1124204 date=1179434935]
@ papabrowne

speak for yourself. Nobody harasses me when I travel. I wondey where people get all these tales from.
[quote][/quote]Yeah, I speak 4 myself and a whole lot other Nigerians that have been embarassed a couple time while travelling.
If you are well travelled and have been around pretty much, you would know that the only passports worse than the Nigerian passport are those from Arab countries like Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and a few others
Boy, that you had a smooth sail 2 Australia don't mean that its always like that.
Actually about 90% of the time I've had smooth Check -ins.

Sao Tome just found Oil, so it is becoming a popular country.FYI Nigeria has bullied them of 60% of their Oil for the next 30 years.I really don't know how OBJ got them to sign such a deal.

Traaaain.Hmmmmm.!What an adventure it would be.Train in Nigeria?, Ha!!. It looks like you've been out 4 a really long time.

Anybody shopped at Tinapa yet? Howz it and what was shopping like?

TRAVEL TO EUROPE IN JULY

Very exciting opportunities exist for those willing to travel to Europe this summer.Whether you just want to travel and get out of the hassles of Naija or you want to spend just a couple of weeks having fun and learning at the same time,this is the perfect opportunity for you.
We have a very exciting Summer Program in a very beautiful European Union country,Estonia.
The age requirement is 18-35.
Dates:July 23- Aug 11th, 2007

Estonia
Estonia is a small but very gorgeous European country located in Northern Europe. Tucked in the Scandinavian belt around Norway, Sweden and Finland,the extreme prosperity of these countries have rubbed off positively on Estonia.
The summer program is organised by University in Estonia and it covers 2 weeks of expansive & relaxed teaching, accommodation and loads of excursions.
English is widely spoken.


Visa
The Visa is almost guaranteed and devoid of the regular complications associated with embassies in Nigeria.
Also, Estonia is an E.You country, hence the Visa allows you to enter 25 European Union Countries freely.

Costs
Registration;255 Euros
Program: 595 Euros
Accommodation:650 Euros (optional if you already have accommodation prepared)
Fees are to be paid directly to the University

There are very limited spaces availabe and application deadline is June 1st.However we advise all interested to have applied by May 30th.





NB
If you have always wanted to travel to Europe, this is your best opportunity as you could vanish to 25 other European countries if you so wish!!

hmmmm, lots!

Nice but don't forget that African & Africam Americans don't exactly trust each other.Somehow its easier for Africans 2 deal with white folks(American) than their African American counterparts.

Whats this?

For me, the u.s is much better.Too many Nigerians already have degrees from UK universities.

Its strange that they request 4 only these two banks.Anyways maybe those are the only banks they can properly verify.

The Lagos Business School ranking is Good 4 Nigeria,I hear there was no Asian,German or other major region universities in the list.thats kool

Best of Luck in your application people. Remember 2 Pray

A Fortune!

Lagos is like a wild animal.It is everything you don't want in a city and yet it rocks.Ironical!!

The interior looks ok but the exterior feels sub-standard.doesn't look like a place where Tiger and Els would play.The grass still has lots of brown.

[quote author=wa_do_mi link=topic=53987.msg1122874#msg1122874 date=1179403785]I carry a Nigerian passport and travel the world over, I have never been harrased or embarrased, I guess the looks, the demeanour also counts - once I hand my passport and they have a single look, they say thanks Ma, and off I go - so next time you travel, put off the hard look and put on a smiling, business type look, stop all these nonsense about Nigerian passport bla bla bla,[/quote]U're a lady.Its a whole lot different 4 guys. The business type look might work sometimes, but if you are going on a trip to a country like Japan or say Australia, u wouldn't spend 24hours in and out of airplanes still having that business look.
The only short cut with the Nigerian passport is flying business class, you might just get a little respect .

peterade:
I prefer my green passport to any other passport in the world. If British passport or America passport is reserved for me with $100,000 I will still choose Nigeria Passport.
I will implore Nigerians to just ignore such immigration officer as long as you don’t have any skeleton in your cupboard.

You've probably never left Nigeria.Cos if you have, U wouldn't say what you just said.
[b]Fact:[/b]It is a huge embarrasment carrying a Nigerian Passport.Its getting better though.Funnily, its less problematic in major countries like UK or US, but some European countries can be very tough on our "beloved green passport".