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OLAADEGBU:
You and Al Baghdadi are too far gone.

for Al Baghdadi i don't know what he thinks. But for me i think what the bible as a whole want everyone to understand especially when it has to do with the life of Jesus on earth, his death and resurrection and this kingdom on earth he preached is very far from what the European missionaries who brought Christianity to Africa.
Have you ever travel to Europe, do you see the way these British people and many other people in developed nations of the world practice Christianity? you will cry for Africa

Everytime, i come to nairaland and see what people post or listen to virtually all pastors preaching i pray that one day, God should open the eyes of Africans to see the real truth about this bible.
This bible that I see even illiterate African people are playing about in Africa is a curriculum on it's own .
It takes almost a gifted person with an extra insight with very great intelligence to understand what is in that book, it is not something that anybody will just carry and read.

Truly, it seems we are not afraid of God in this part of the world, we abuse almost everything in our possession.

Adejoncy01:
It's funny how we complain about maladministration by political leaders but fail to address the ones before our very nose.

I found out that one has to swear an oath before commenting on an Islamic thread why it is not so on other religious thread, especially the Christians own.

I've seen a lot of people complain about this on this forum to no avail. If you want to place an oath on religious thread, why not all? Why the preferential treatment?

What is the rationale behind this N*nsense?
Seun must be s*ck in the head.

by logic and reasoning, Christians, atheists, traditionalists, can defend their stand beyond any reasonable doubt.
But Muslims?
There are whole lot of logical defects with that religion, therefore the need for them to be protected artificially, otherwise, one will not say Islam is also a religion on NL

SirMichael1:
this the longest nonsense i've read on nl. Klopp didn't coach the under 23 team, their coach did. Please, when has guardiola fielded young stars as klopp did? Guardiola that doesn't do young players?

I have agreed to who I quoted that post with that i made error with the season Jurgen Klopp managed borussia Dortmund last. It was 2014/2015 bundesliga season and not 2017.Howevver, every other thing i said about your klopp that his success at borussia Dortmund which he has deliberately extended to Liverpool has been on him parading almost 100% aged players in his team hence he is a terrible coach that will be sacked very soon, stand to be corrected.
As at 2014 season,
Neven Subotic was 26 years old(was born 1988)
Jakub Blasczykowski was 29 years old(was born 1985)
Kelvin Grobkreutz was 29 years old(was born 1985)
Mat hummels was 27 years old(was born 1987)
Shiniji Kagawa was 26 years old (was born 1986)
Oliver Kirch was 32 years old (was born 1982)

These were the key players he constantly used on pitch just like he is using the likes of mane, sallah, firmino, van dijk, etc today(all above 26 years old)
Only few of them like Robert Lewandowski, Henrick Mkhitaryan, Ciro Immobile, Aubameyang were below 22 years old at that time.
Check the screen shot of the list of borussia Dortmund 2014/2015 squad below.

I talk with facts

Freedom of speech shouldn't make you say trash out of turn. When last did your guardiola carry ucl, even with his prime squad. How old is minamino? How old is Alexandre arnold? How old is neco williams.

If there's anyone not smart, it will be your coconut head.

do you want to see the age range Pep Guardiola's team?
I can post it here, those that are up to 25 years old are not up to three of them and he hardly use them on regular.

But meanwhile,

Mane 28years old
Salah 28years
Lovren 30 years
Becker 27 years
Anderson 30 years
Matip 28 years
Firmino 28 years
Fabinho 27 years



Non sense!!

EbukaHades10:
U just dey shoot urself for leg say u dey make point.


U said Klopp couldn't play with Sancho and Akanji and I told you that those guys came in 2017 while Klopp came to Liverpool in 2015 so how is it possible that he couldn't play with Sancho?
I said Pulisic didn't play a single game under Klopp so stop twisting my words, baba

OK, I was wrong about the season.
Actually it was 2013/2014 bundesliga not 2017.
And guess what? It was worst.
It was even 46 points that borussia Dortmund finished, 7th position, under the watch of jurgen klopp. That was when young talented players like mhkytaryan, Nuru sahin, Aubameyang, mauroka that klopp couldn't manage.

Every other thing i said were correct about your klopp

I'm very sure he was sacked at Dortmund because his philosophy does not go beyond using old aged physically fit players that will never last the test of time

Even with his old aged players, the way Bayern Munich will flog him home and away
Fake deceptive coach

EbukaHades10:
When did Sancho come to Dortmund? 2017. Akanji came 2018, Pulisic never played a single game under Jurgen Klopp, Sergio Gomez came 2017 so also Yarmolenko

go and check dotmond 2017/2018 squad, Akanji came 2017 he is there.
You say pulisic did not play a single game?

Na people like you never watch bundesliga that period

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55 points in 2017, abi? Please, when did Klopp come to Liverpool? No be 2015?

that question has nothing to do with what happened in 2017.
I say 55 points only, haba, wetinnn!
Check 2017 bundesliga table now

Even David Moyes did better

The 5-0 u are hammering about, Klopp wasn't even on the touchline much less the stadium.

you say wetin?
What sent him out of the touch line, is it not frustration?
After the match did he ever use Adam Lewis, Neco Williams, Harvey Elliot, Yassa Larousi again?
These are quality talented young boys for God's sake, but the man relegated these boys to simply because they did not meet his criteria of ,27, 28 and 29 years old like the likes of mane, sallah, van dijk and firmino.
Is that good enough coach?

Calling Ferguson, Pep, Wenger, Zidane. Ferguson had Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Giggs (all in their 30s as at Fergie's last two seasons, Pep had a Yaya Toure, Kompany, has an Arguero and David Silva and Fernandihno all in their 30s, Zidane has Marcelo, Benzema, Ramos and Tony Kross (all in their 30s), don't let me start on Wenger.

and these guys also manage teams dominated with young talented players mostly 18,19,20,21 years old they never conceded 5:0 not even with against big teams
why will you concede 5:0 against a small team like Aston villa and you are calling yourself a coach?

Who calm down read all those rubbish go think say u make beta point cus calling what you wrote rubbish is an utter understament.


Because of one game, una don turn seer wey dey see future na. Make una rest, abeg

As somebody said, "na complete sports dey make una think say una sabi ball"

guy, it is clear that Una klopp dey use age cheat dey win all these while, Una players don dey reach their age peak that's why Una collect 4:0 yesterday

See Una players just dey run anyhow for field through out 90 minutes, fatigue won kill dem.

E just dey start

Richieniit:
go and sleep.

go and mess Jo

Ayemileto:
Even if he his taking advantage of "age", then that alone makes him a good coach, because only a good coach can identify and capitalise on the strengths of his team to get the best out of them.

wrong!!
Mourinho did used aged players and was succeeding, at a point he was among the best coaches. But the moment he was handed over teams comprising young talented players, he couldn't manage them to maintain his past records, he is currently struggling with the current Tottenham team, why?
Because he wasn't a very good coach in the first place who can manage all categories of age, whether they are young or aged .
The same thing applies to klopp, we all know how klopp began to flop the moment Borussia Dortmund decided to introduce young players like Jadon Sancho, Aubumeyang, Nuri Sahin, Manuel Akanji, Christian pulisic.
It was recorded that Borussia dotmond who was contesting vehemently with Bayern Munich fell and finished at the fouth position in bundesliga 2017 season with just 55 points under the watch of this same klopp who once at previous seasons paraded players like Sergio Gomez(aged 26), Yamolenko(aged 28), Shinji Kagawa(aged 27), Gonzalo Castro(age 28) and was competing with Bayern Munich at the top the table.

We all know that Liverpool current players are at their best in terms of quality, but that age difference is what is really giving Liverpool advantage over other teams like Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester united, Tottenham that may equally have that same quality players with younger age.

Without that age difference, I bet you, Mr klopp is powerless. I say Aston villa trashed Liverpool 5:0 this season the day klopp ventured to feature his young players at FA cup opening, what kind of coach is that?

As a coach you should be able to use your players irrespective of their age, that is what makes coaches like Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Pep Guardiola, Zinedine Zidane, better coaches.

But don't worry, these Liverpool players they are already at their peak age, and other teams having young talented players are coming up. We will see what will become of Liverpool by then.
Just watch!!

Klopp think he is smart?

Ximenez:
They are not too old. All of them are at their peak which is even better. What matter most are the mentality, refreshment of the squad and hunger.

which other team in epl have most of their players at this age range?
Check the rest of epl teams there are all mixed of 18,19,20,22 and 22 years.
Imagin arsenal for instance parading under 20 boys against these Liverpool men and they loose, it will appear as if Liverpool knows how to play. But meanwhile, it is the teenagers in the arsenal team that are actually scared of tackling these Liverpool men just to avoid injury.

The last time klopp uses his young players he collected 5:0 against Aston villa, that's when i knew that klopp is just taking advantage of this age thing, he is not really a good coach like that

Klopp's secret

Mane 28years old
Salah 28years
Lovren 30 years
Becker 27 years
Anderson 30 years
Matip 28 years
Firmino 28 years
Fabinho 27 years

Klopp's fall will be worst than that of mourinho, just watch

You dey use old babas them dey win abi?
Your cup go soon full

Arrewa:
Another winning for the reds!!

Una go collect today, just wait

OLAADEGBU:
Fake news!

simply because it is not deeper life that is saying it?
Look, I'm not the one saying it, it's from the bible if you truly you are a Christian why do you doubt resurrection like the Sadducees saying it is fake news?
Follow the logic what the bible is saying, resurrection of the dead is real, if it weren't so Jesus wouldn't have preached it. Matthew 22:31-32.

1 Corinthians 15:35-58 fully and explicitly explain how the dead is resurrected, that death has been defeated through Christ,But you deeper life you will never see that.
You have to study your bible independently and leave church alone.

Through one man(Adam) death came to this world, but Christ has come to restore eternal life back to this same world 1 Corinthians 15:22

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman(Eve) being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Do you see the emboldened?
It's self explanatory, if you keep doubting it doesn't change the fact the resurrection is real and we are resurrected(saved from death ) through childbearing.

Now look at how Paul further explained this:

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, THOU SOWETH NOT THAT BODY THAT SHALL BE, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

that means, there is a body that shall be, which is different from what is being sown.

Literally, this means that when a Christian is buried it's like a seed is been sown to the ground. But that same Christian will resurrect spiritually and according to 1 Timothy 2:15, he shall germinate like a seed in the womb of another woman who is Christian, so that the baby will be groomed a Christian by his Christian parent, but this time, with a different body(1 Corinthians 15:38) his body has changed, it will never be recognized that the baby was that same Christian that was once dead.

And why is it for Christians only?

Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

This means, if we be dead as Christians we believe that we shall also be raised as Christians and not as Muslims or any other religion other than Christians, this is why the FAITH is very important, without faith it is impossible to please God.

And we only get that faith only when we are raised by a Christian parent from childhood, not from Islamic parent or parent from other religions.

I'm very sure kumuyi has not reseached his bible to this point

Acehart:
I had pointed earlier that the main problem (which you aren’t considering) is false teaching. We were not born to know what the term born again means; we only knew because we read about it or we were taught rather.

you are right.

There is a popular song by Don Moen - Give thanks; it has as its chorus: And now, let the weak say I am strong. We always sing along delightful; but you know what, it is a song that twists the scriptures upside down; That verse from the Book of Joel is a statement God uttered to taunt his enemies. But today, we sing it as a “boast”.

as a boast that they are self righteous?
Let's be sincere, I don't think that there is any Christian today that sing that song to boast that he is self righteous.
However, if any Christian says I'm born again, i don't commit sin, i am righteous, then he is boasting. Because.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If those whom you say boast, know what is right, will they boast?

I don't think so

You say it is obvious; if it was obvious, will people boast? Unless you have the ability to know the intent of the heart, your postulation - “he not simply assuming that he does not commit sin or he commit little sin compare to those who are not born again“ can be termed as a wild guess, to say the least. If you must be objective, you would bring results from the their hearts and not the scriptures.

Please, don’t point your gun at the students, point it at their teachers - that is what Christ will do.

may be when their teachers see the effects of their wrong teachings to the students they will have a rethink

Acehart:
Hi, did you do a survey to ascertain that those who proclaim (boast) that they are born again mean that they are saved by works and depending on works for their salvation? If you haven’t, how can you be objective? If you are a frequent reader of Christianity Today’s articles, you would see that they don’t write articles without surveys, because a subjective writeup is a biased writeup. Haven’t you read a couple of times Paul saying: “I have found this? - It is a statement of searching by interaction - an objective survey.

Hope you had a good night’s rest?

survey?
You don't need any survey to see the obvious.
Now tell me, when a Christian says I'm born again, is he not simply assuming that he does not commit sin or he commit little sin compare to those who are not born again?

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus answered and said to him,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, (i.e. born again)
he is not able to see the kingdom of God.""
[color=#990000]- John 3:3

Have you taken time to analyze this statement?
Except anyone is born again, he will not enter the kingdom.
It follows that being born again was the requirement to enter the kingdom of God and it is not the kingdom of God itself.
It is like for anyone to enter the university to study, the requirement is that he must pass through jamb or it equivalents, that does not mean that a student writing jamb should see himself as a student in the university.
Being in the university is greater level than the level of jamb, that is how the kingdom of God is a greater level than born again level.
Because, when Christ told Nicodemus that you must be born again the kingdom of God has not yet been established here on earth, but meanwhile there were born again on earth, all Jesus disciples were born again awaiting the kingdom.

Today, now! The kingdom of God is already here on earth, so that issue of born again has become irrelevant.
This is the dynamics of the truth behind it.

We can never be born again anymore it's not possible. Rather, we are all Christians purchased by the blood of Christ crucifixion and resurrection which never happened at the time of the born again disciples who followed Jesus Christ.

Even the remaining disciples of John the Baptist who were born again were later baptised into Christianity after Christ has resurrected.

Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.


Acts 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

So, born again was just a short period(the beginning of the baptism of John to the resurrection of Christ) where the disciples witnessed Christ death and resurrection, it was the period of THE GREAT TRIBULATION as prophesied by Daniel and is never part of Christianity.

Christianity started after Jesus has resurrected

Acehart:
I think you are overreacting in saying that those who care to tell all and sundry that they are “born-again” are boastful.

You didn't get it!
I said "saying that born again implies that you are boasting that your works will save you against the salvation by grace through Christ "
That is, you are not depending on grace for your salvation, rather you are depending on your works.
I also defined what most people generally known as born again, that it is being morally upright in Christ which is the same thing as works of the law( in Christ).
If you have read Galatians 3:10 before you will understand what I'm saying.

shadeyinka:
Making heaven is not by perfection. Abraham married Hagar!
David commited adultery!
How about Samson!
Salvation through Christ is ONLY through His Death. John the Baptist could never have been saved through Christ's Blood because he died before Christ. That's why Jesus first commended John as not being a Reed of a man and the statement "blessed is he who is not scandalised because of me" was a chastisement to John
Did you also read this scripture!?

Mat 11:13-14:
"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."

What you are plainly saying is that John the Baptist's name is not written in the book of life? So, what happens to John!? Does he go to the Lake of fire!?

Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

I wouldn't know whether John went to lake of fire or Abraham's bossom like Lazarus did according to Jesus parable.
But certainly, John didn't make heaven.

Jesus send his disciples back to him telling him BLESSED IS HE THAT IS NOT OFFENDED IN ME.
meaning, John the Baptist has already becoming offended in Christ

shadeyinka:
Probably you did not know that Jesus had a high regard for John the Baptist as a man of faith (not a reed/pliable man) but a prophet!

Luk 7:25-26:
24: "And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak to the people concerning John, What went you out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?"

25: "But what went you out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously appareled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts. But what went you out for to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and much more than a prophet."

Mat 11:11:
"Truly I say to you, Among them that are born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

John the Baptist didn't loose faith. Salvation is so simple that, it is meant for the simple

Mar 10:15:
"Truly I say to you, Whoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."

Salvation is a gift (to those who will ask for/receive it)
Eph 2:8-9:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Don't be like the greek as the gospel is simple enough even for a child
1Cor 1:22-23:
"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block, and to the Greeks foolishness;"

i know Jesus had high regards for John the Baptist.
But that notwithstanding, John the Baptist missed the kingdom because at a point he disbelief.

Do you know it means when Christ will say blessed is he that is not offended in me? Matthew 11:6
it means blessed is he that do not lose his belief in me.

shadeyinka:
No sir. It means exactly what it says: "in the kingdom of heaven, the least person is greater than John the Baptist"!
Why?
The least person entered by grace paid for by God Himself (the perfect sacrifice). However, John the Baptist is the last of those who made heaven through their faith that produces obedience to God. In the rank of this include Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and all the renown of faith.

Matthew 11:3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

A man who could asked Jesus a question like this does it shows that he still had faith in him?
John the Baptist lost his faith in Christ from the moment he had expected Christ to come and deliver him from prison and Christ was not coming forth to deliver him, therefore he lost the kingdom.

Didn't I give you scriptures of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven? Whatever will not make John the Baptist qualify will not make Abraham, Isaac and Jacob qualify for heaven.

why will you think that whatever will disqualify Abraham will also disqualify John, did God had any covenant with John the Baptist like the one he had with Abraham?

Why do you think John the Baptist will not be in the kingdom of heaven but Abraham will be?

John the Baptist lost his faith in Christ due to the situation he found himself in the prison but Abraham didn't lose his faith in God

shadeyinka:
I say, you complicate that which is simple. If John the Baptist is not in the Kingdom how about Abraham, Isaac, Jacob?

I don't know where you got this your doctrine that

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding HE THAT IS LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS GREATER THAN HE

Meaning, John the Baptist didn't see heaven

Mat 8:11: "And I say to you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven."

Luk 13:28: "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God , and you yourselves thrust out."

I specifically mentioned John the Baptist

The kingdom of God is not people but an assembly of God's people where the rule of God is observed completely.

people or assembly of people, what's the diffence?

Abeg i nor fit die for laugh

shadeyinka:
I think you complicate simple spiritual truths

no, it is not simple at all.
It is far more complex than we all thought, infact these things are more complex than studying fluid mechanics picturing the situation behind Jesus and Nicodemus from reading just one scripture. To have a full understanding of what conspired between Jesus and Nicodemus, one have to read and understand everything in Matthew, mark, Luke and John(the gospel) and try to relate it with what Jesus was telling Nicodemus, you must be born again..
So, it's not that simple,

If everything about what happened during Jesus life on earth was to be expantiated, infact it will not contain the whole book called the bible that we are reading today. So, for the purpose of convenience it is summarized, that's why we today
can afford to just pick only John 3:3 except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God, then we just conclude that it meant except a man is morally upright in Christ, it goes beyond that.

Jesus explained to Nicodemus what being Born Again is
John 3:14-15:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

It has everything to do with the ATONEMENT by the blood on the cross

very true!
Have heard that John the Baptist was the fore runner of Jesus Christ? Meaning, he came to prepare the way and make the part straight for men to start believing in Christ for the atonment of their sins.
The same John the Baptist did not made it to God's kingdom.
Judas iscariot too was a disciple, but he couldn't made it and many others too.

Now, let me tell you what Jesus meant by God's kingdom in all his parables and all his sayings.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD ARE PEOPLE

Born again are also people.
John the Baptist, Judas iscariot and every other disciples who couldn't made it into Christianity falls into what were known as born again, while the few disciples who made it to Christianity(only about 120 of them. Act 1:15) falls into what Christ meant by God's kingdom.
Meaning, there was a separation

You have also heard that few PEOPLE will enter heaven too?

Think!

shadeyinka:
I will respond only to your first question.
Being Born Again is the prerequisite for seeing/partaking in the kingdom of God

John 3:3: "Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

what if i tell you that the kingdom of God is already with us, therefore that prerequisite is rendered absolutely unnecessary today?
Remember, Christ has not yet been crucified as at the time he was taking to Nicodemus, so what he told Nicodemus to do by saying you must be born again does not apply anymore today.
It's like someone is say unless you pass jamb you cannot enter university, now that you are already in the university passing jamb is therefore rendered unnecessary.

We are born again not by man's effort but by God's declaration (God's word)

you are not born again, you are already a Christian.
Disciples who were born again in bible days never had the opportunity to be Christians until Jesus was crucified, John the Baptist was one of the born again, the least person in Christianity today is far greater than John the Baptist and all the disciples of that time, while they in turn were greater than all the prophets of the old testament, you see the diffence now?

1Pet 1:23: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and stays for ever."

Being Born Again is therefore the same as Salvation from the old nature of Sin and the consequence of sin. The message of salvation is the gospel (good news of God's grace to man for his salvation)

1 Peter 1:23 is referring to a different thing enterly. It is not the same thing Jesus discussed with Nicodemus, don't be carried away that the same phrase(born again) is used by Paul here.
If what Paul said here is basis of Christians calling themselves born again today, then they are right. But that thing Jesus told Nicodemus, it is aberration and shouldn't be part of Christianity.
That thing refers to the days of John the Baptist where Jesus said right from the days of John the Baptist the kingdom of God suffered violence and the violent(referring to the disciples) taketh it by force

Rom 1:16:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Eph 1:13:
"In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

In summary, the gospel show us the way. We believe by FAITH in God's solution, AND God speaks His word which is the empowerment to become His child
John 1:12:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

John 3:36:
"He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him."

1Jn 5:13:
"These things have I written to you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God."

I believe you know that Jesus and the Disciples didn't always quote the scriptures unless it is required or important. Don't forget I gave a LAYMAN ILLUSTRATION...to make thinks simple to comprehend as Jesus will use parables to illustrate the kingdom of Heaven

you have done well by rightly quoting the scriptures, but i wish that Christians should understand that their salvation is just one Jesus Christ for everyone who believe, irrespective of whether they are sinners or not. Therefore one should not say I'm born again Christian and another Christian is not, simply because he is a sinner.

OpenYourEyes1:
Boastful according to online dictionary:

"showing excessive pride and self-satisfaction in one's achievements, possessions, or abilities."

Who are the boastful ones? How did you know they are boastful about their salvation?

Boastful contradicts what born again really means.

can you say your salvation is through your ability of achieving it or it is through the grace of God?

shadeyinka:
With due respect, being born again isn't as you have presented it.

Being Born Again is NOT what man does but what God does to man.

clarify yourself by giving a scripture to support this please

Being Born Again simply means (in lay man's terms) that your Name is written in the REGISTER (Book of Life) of God and you have Gods MATRIC number (God's Holy Spirit) as a proof translating into a changed life style. Being Born again is purely BY FAITH and it's given only THROUGH GRACE (no one is good enough to be born again by himself).

see, you just have to learn how to be accurate with what you say by giving specific scriptures. For instance, being born again means that your name is written in the register book.

Revelation 20:13 born again is when your name is written in the book of life.

Quote scripture

After your registration, you need to begin to work on your spiritual CGPA (Good works). Reward in God's paradise is a function of works but salvation is by Grace.


NB:
Faith is not religion. FAITH is trust in the INTEGRITY of God and His Word!

OK,
According to the book of Ephesians 4:8 abi?

Maximus69:
The truth is there are less than 15,000 Born Again throughout the earth today and mind you i am not one of them!

and i will prove to you that what Jesus Christ meant by born again to Nicodemus was mere a transition between Judaism(the old covenant) and Christianity(the new covenant), that born again is passed away since 2000 years ago. Therefore, there are no one called born again currently on this earth, rather we have Christians today.

First of all the meaning of Born Again has been misconstrued for moral cleanliness and purity which is just a prerequisites for being selected to be a Born Again.

true

Nicodemus was a member of the Jewish high court during the first century, this group strongly believe that when the Messiah (Christ) comes they will be the first to be taken as corulers with the Christ in his kingdom. So Nicodemus going to pay a visit to Jesus at night means he is scared of his fellow council chiefs who took Jesus for an impostor. [/quote} very correct
[quote]Jesus' statement at John 3:3 was direct "what you and your cohorts are targeting belongs to those who must be transformed" of course Nicodemus was confused about the term Born Again, so he asked like a layman "how is that possible? I can't enter my mother's womb to be born a second time now".

So what is the meaning of the term " Born Again"?

It simply means those that will be chosen to rule with Christ in heaven, they're to be chosen by God himself NOT Jesus {Matthew 20:20-23} they must have learnt how to be humble rulers from the master himself (Jesus) so none of those who lived and died before Jesus began his earthly ministry can qualify for it! Matthew 11:11
Out of the 12 Apostles that Jesus prayerfully selected from his numerous disciples one of them lost the race.

correct!

After Jesus' ascension to heaven God sent his holy spirit to anoint 120 disciples of Jesus at once, that's when Born Again began

that's wrong!
Where is the scripture?

but not all first century Christians where chosen,

chosen to go to heaven?
And you think heaven is beyond the clouds and not this earth?
Thats why you jw seems to join conventional religions not taking the affairs of this earth very seriously as though they are in heaven? You people are also cheated likewise

some of them will have their eternity here on earth.

do you have any scripture to prove that some Christians will have their eternity here on this earth and not all Christians?
But why do you people always say the meet shall inherit the earth if that is the case?

The chosen once don't brag about it in the public so apart from the Apostles, it's not easy even amongst the first century Christians to identify the born again Christians amongst them. The only event that exposes them to other Christians is the emblem that must be taken during the remembrance of Jesus' death {Luke 22:19} only the Born Again Christians should partake in eating and drinking this, but others felt they're also living up to the Standard as Christians so they also eat and drink whereas God's holy spirit never chose them as part of Christ's corulers, and many of such ones began falling sick and a large number of them died! 1Corinthians 11:27-30

born again brother

Proximo73:
Of a truth, even the so called men of God like pastor kumuyi, Adeboye, Olukoya and Oyedepo are all terrible sinners like every other Nigerians.
Kumuyi will keep saying you must be born again and forsake you sins.

Anyway, to forsake sin is good, but who nor dey sin?

they will come for you o

Saying "I'm born again " implies that you are saying that you are justified by your works or works of the law against being justified by your faith.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

From your understanding of what born again is: To be born again means to be morally upright in Christ, which means to keep the law and not being sinful unlike others who commit sin. But meanwhile,

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

But what says the scripture?

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by FAITH without the deeds of the law.

Now, mark the word FAITH.
As used in scriptures, the word FAITH simply means religion.

That means, even before Christ came, men where always justified by their religion and not by how good or bad they were. For instance, Abraham was justified by his religion.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son.

Now, this offering of Isaac by Abraham was the origin of the religion of the Jews called Judaism today. It was the beginning of a long lasting covenant between God and Abraham which also was terminated by the on-set of the new covenant that brought another religion called Christianity through Christ.

Hebrews 11:6 But with faith(religion) it is impossible to please God..

That bring us to the critical question : what did Jesus Christ meant by born again to Nicodemus in John 3:3?
Was Jesus Christ meant that Nicodemus should be morally upright not committing sin for him to see God's kingdom and become boastful that it was because he was morally good that's why he is in heaven?
Certainly not!

what then did Jesus Christ meant by born again to Nicodemus?

a question left for you to answer to yourself.

princedmiayer:
Today is Sunday.
I want to hear your feedback on this topic. I know it is a topic of interest.

it's a reasonable question to ask!

Obviously, sex before marriage is never a sin, God has nothing to do with how people should enjoy their sex. Where the sin comes in is when the unmarried people break their vow of staying together as one which is not different from divorce. Just like you mentioned, if a baby comes out of such union it is expected that both of them should take care of the child together, otherwise it's a sin.

Papa na pastor how that one take concern pikin?

kollinskollins:
Make him sleep there. Make him even sleep there for many more months.. Nonsense

why people hate this man like this?
I yam lor understanding lo

mrkings84:
No bro, just as you quoted 1Cor5:1, a man sleeping with his father's wife is just the height of it. Fornication is the sex between two unmarried adults. Incest is when two adults who are related by blood have sex.

atleast you have known that a man having sex with his father's wife is fornication, whether you call it the height of it or not, it is clearly stated in that scripture, so it is best following scriptures to understand.
But this one that you are saying fornication involve unmarried adults, there is no scripture in the bible that indicate that, trust me.
That idea came from the ancient orthodox catholic beliefs and we are still believing it today.

And one thing the church has failed to establish is, whenever two adult have agreed to have a relationship, from that moment marriage has started.
This also adjourn us that every union involving two adult so long they are 18years and above, should be taken seriously as marriage.
No double dating,
No cheating.

And any child that comes from such union should be given the serious attention from both the man and the woman as though they have wedded.

But what is happening in our society today?
You will see a guy broken up from his girlfriend just like that, saying afterall i did not wed you or pay your bride price.
That to God is divorce

So, the indaboski can be arrested?

Why na?