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mrkings84:
Not so man, I'm just returning from the church now, will take time and go through all the mentions/ questions and react to them accordingly.... thanks!

ok

mrkings84:
Yes it does offend God a great deal. Fornication and adultery was one of the reasons God destroyed Sorom.
And because he detest those who indulge in such sins, He has no place for them in his paradise (Heaven)
(1 Cor. 6:9-10; Revelation 21:

ok,
Obviously you are saying this not because you understood your bible but because you heard people saying it.

We had Isaac and Rebecca dating from the first day they met, they had sex that day, God did not complain.

Fornication is simply what is known as premarital sex today.

wrong!

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, THAT ONE SHOULD HAVE HIS FATHER'S WIFE

so, fornication is when a man sleep with his father's wife.
It can also mean brothers and sisters having sex, what is known as incest today.

shadeyinka:
Also, in the bible, there was nothing like "dating". What exists is a "betrothal" which is a formal agreement between two families that their children has fulfilled conditions for marriage and the ceremony will be done at a select date.

that is not different from dating.
In dating, everyone including the families of the couple knows about the relationship, the same with betrothal.

Adultery is sex outside marriage by a married person.

1. What then is fornication?

fornication is when a man have sex with his father's wife or when a woman have sex with her mother's husband. 1 Corinthians 5:1

2. Using your logic, why do you think sleeping with a prostitute make one one in spirit with the prostitute.
BTW

I don't know

Prostitution is sex with consent between unmarried adults with mutual benefits

but prostitution isn't the same as young couples dating and having sex

shadeyinka:
Sex is only allowed within the confines of marriage because sex is not just a physical event but a spiritual union.
Heb 13:4:
"Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators and adulterers God will judge."
1Cor 6:15-16:
"Know you not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know you not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body ? for two, said he, shall be one flesh."

Sex between dating couple is fornication.

non of these scriptures you quote suggest that sex between dating couples offends God or it is bad.
Rather, all these scriptures are pointing towards different things.
Heb 13: 4 says marriage is honorable, but fornicators and adulters (people who cheat in relationship) God will purnish.

I was referring to couples dating who don't cheat and enjoyed sex.
There are no scriptures indicating that it is bad.

The op, mrkings84 saw it and ran away from the question

PRE4:
A girl and boy dating and having sex is a great offence to God.

is there any scripture support this?

The Bible contradicts fornication saying it is a sin against your body[the temple of God].1 Corinthians 6:15-19.

ok

mrkings84:
Waiting for their questions.....

a guy and a girl dating and having sex, does it offend God?

Secondly, what is fornication according to scriptures?

MuttleyLaff:
You didnt properly do your research because if you had, you would have found out that the black-skinned Egyptians yo stumbled upon were the Hyksos, who from the south overran Egypt and became her ruler, Pharaoh(s). Go over your researches, you'll find that they took over Egypt, shortly after Joseph died. Go check nah, as you will find out they were in Egypt parallel to the biblical time of the sojourn of the Israelites in Egypt, lmao. Fyi, the above timeline outline, shows the Hyksos, after Joseph died, sandwiched in there

that means eplanning was wrong to conclude that Egyptians were originally black people?

I thought as much because the Egyptian aboriginals he portrayed in his earlier chats were only that of Australians, Ethopians and South Sudan

paxonel, you had him trapped in a corner, with back against the wall. It was a good chance to breathe down his neck, squeeze the balls hard a bit and make him wince, but what did you do, you bottled it and walked away, smh.

I didn't study anthropology so i may not have much facts to nail him, but that not withstanding, it is very glaring that he is trying to establish his point from collection of chats that are not adding up

Look at that, having the cheek to say "Good. No further comments from me pls. Thanks." to you. Smh

he couldn't possibly do better

eplanning:
Ol boi, forget gra gra. Just humble and do a study you'd be shocked at what you'll find. Search for Aboriginals of various populations and you'll be amazed. Nor follow all these people here way get their own agenda to perpetuate slavery of our minds. Empower yourself with knowledge, except you too get your own agenda.

Pic 1. Australia aboriginals

Pic 2. Brazil aboriginal

Pic 3 Chinese aboriginal

Pic 4 Mexican aboriginals

OK,
I have done the research, you were right that Egyptians were originally blacks.

So, what are the significance?
Does that mean that Europeans went to Egypt to study and became great people today while Egypt(Africa) was left in desolate?

What then stops Africans from doing the same?
why are Africans who went to schools in Europe to acquire so much not coming back to set up the kind of schools they saw in Europe?

MuttleyLaff:
paxonel, I have been patiently waiting for you to push back the igbo hin wan drop put for inside your pocket incriminate you, but you haven't. Please don't allow him scam your with those black skinned people picture.

Ask him to tell you what's the implication and/or effect of the three tropics on each of the Pic 1. Australia aboriginals, Pic 2. Brazil aboriginal, Pic 3 Chinese aboriginal and Pic 4 Mexican aboriginals?

they could go all these far only to prove that there was a black Jesus?
They should try again

eplanning:
Of course na, you no know before?

na you paint them black or wetin?

donnie:
Don't you know Egypt was conquered by several nations? Arabs, Greeks, Romans etc. They stole away much knowledge, artifacts etc and claimed many Egyptian science and inventions as theirs. And how did you arrive at their being white skinned? It's like this thing na follow-come.

are you saying that Egyptians were originally black people?

khia:
All this has nothing to do with whites being superior or your teacher,

really?
So, where did China who was once less developed than Africa back then in the 1960's got their inspiration from?
From Africa?

The truth is, they were thought by Europeans.

hell Europeans came to Africa to learn Astronomy, Science and math. Ancient Africans were waaaaaay more advanced than Europeans.

so, how did Egypt transfer their their knowledge to the rest of Africa?
They were simply selfish and even preferred to share their intellectual wealth to the white skinned Europeans over sharing the same to the tropical blacks since they too where white skinned.

The problem with modern day Africa is your greedy, selfish leaders. The people are intelligent but they lack the motivation to develop home. I guess it's easier to run away.

the same greedy, selfish leaders are graduates of African universities who never or could afford Cambridge or Oxford or Harvard or Winsor, etc.
Think about it!

khia:
Your friend is a self loathing , brainwashed mor
on.

you cannot say he is brainwashed. He is simply saying the the truth from what he has seen.

Are you telling me that blacks can't be portrayed as angels but only devil's?

let blacks fix their education system first in Africa let's see whether they will continue to be potrayed as devils at the long run.

If you believe in heaven and hell you will find most of your whites going to hell because they are the most wicked people on this planet. They are the evil the Bible speaks of, especially those so-called White Christians hypocrites.

that is because the blacks have continued to allow these white hypocrites to thrive and even perpertrate racism against their fellow blacks by abandoning schools in Africa while the best universities in the world are most accessible to these hypocrite whites in Europe, America, Australia Canada and every temperate regions of the world.

The whites has really made a psychological mess on the psyche of a lot of Africans.

if most universities in Africa falls among the best universities of the world with webometric ranking among the first ten best universities, will that be possible?
I don't think so!
Afterall, there are just six continents in the world why then Africa should not have atleast one of the best 10 universities?

Check the webometric ranking of the best university in Africa. It is 276 position, not even among the best 10, that isn't good enough.

Africans should wake up and fix their schools.

khia:
You can start by not worshipping whites and portraying them as some kind of demigods or superior beings. Put all of that faith you have in whites into Africa, that will be a great start in your development. Most of all, know your enemy.

once again, a teacher is a teacher does not mean that he is a demigod or superior being to the student he is teaching.

China humbled themselves, went to to European schools and they were thought.
The same Chinese people went back to fix their education system, today they are one of the world powers.
Africans went to Europe to learn, but non of them came back to Africa to fix their education system .
Now, check the webometric ranking of universities in Nigeria for example : the best university in Nigeria is at the 1,322 position

Ahh" 1,322 for a country having the most black population?
That is not good at all

aadoiza:
You and your friend are obviously worshipping oyinbo. The people who worship Ogun or Sango would after the Almighty na those deities. Geddit? Good.

perhaps you are using the word "worship " figuratively. Whatever you take it to mean is still fallacious
A child who is suppose to learn from a teacher who knows more than him can never be said to be worshipping the teacher simply because the teacher knows more than him.
China learned so much from the Europeans over the years, today they are better of.
Africans are busy blaming Europeans for their current predicament without learning. So, they remain stagnant where they are.

Another one who would willingly eat oyinbo shit is here
Remind me again how many people did one of your oyinbo god Hitler killed? Abi how many innocent people another of them called Bush killed in Iraq? I'm sure thousands of people sacrificed in Africa are no where near the number of innocent women and children your gods killed in Vietnam.
You can become oyinbo turd eater e no consign me, but at least spare us the sanctiminiosness of your oyinbo gods. Geddit?

all these are inconsequential!
No one is interested in all that

What is important should be, how is Africa going to come out of this current state of primitivity and intellectual backwardness?

aadoiza:
Yeah, right.

good

But the white people you and your friend worship

what do you mean by worship?
Nobody is worshipping anyone. Saying the truth the way it is does not mean anyone is worshipping somebody here.

have killed much more people since the dawn of time than any other race

there are no statistics to prove that white people have killed more people than blacks. It is recorded in history among Africans that when there are cases, for instance disease outbreaks that required rituals to appease the gods, they sacrificed fellow African humans and the obas in those days kill people at will without any objection from anyone.
Thousands of baby twins were also killed for no reason in calabar before the arival of Mary Slessor

realestniggah:
Is this also part of the western world programming to see white men as superior?

nobody is programming anything

Also when the devil is been illustrated in books he is also dark in color?

because black men have proven to be very evil than white men in all aspects or do you have any contrary?

Incase we still want black people to be portrayed as angels, it is never too late to change our ways by taking education very seriously, otherwise we will remain primitive with black image to the world pending on when we start having sense.

A friend who came back recently from Europe said something :
AFTER GOD NA OYIBO, THEN OYIBO, OYIBO, OYIBO, OYIBO, OYIBO, OYIBO, OYIBO, OYIBO.. then black Africans

Primitive bloody racist who forgot that in a new world, racism does not have any place.

Na God purnish am!

WHY IS THIS DADDY FREEZE BLAMING KING JAMES?

Isaiah 14:16(kjv) They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms

King James uses the word MAN here and not Satan, perhaps it was people who misinterpreted this scripture to mean Satan.

Let's assume he denounced Christianity kpata kpata who that one help, how that one take affect us?

Giving your life to Christ and repentance from committing atrocities are not the same.

Some of those rapists among them could be Christians, that is the only thing that will justify them into eternal life irrespective of the offense they have committed, but that not withstanding, they will face the full wrath of the law

I think this man should channel his greviances to corona virus and not fellow pastors

DIVINEEVIDENCE:
On what basis do you define boy/girlfriend relationship as a legal marriage?

I have said it!
On the basis of the agreement they both had for each other that they will remain faithful to one another till death do them apart.

I'd love to see your marriage certificate authorising you to be formally having sex and cohabitating with your gf.

certification don't keep marriage you know,
Only love and and understanding do.

Isaac and Rebecca never had any certication from any human. But their union was approved and recognized by God.
The same applies to Mary and Joseph.

Just pray she doesn't sleep in your house one day and refuse to wake up.
Na dat u go hearam.

there are cases where even the couple who had their union celebrated as wedding in church, court marriage and traditional wedding, who one of them slept and never woke up.
So, that thing you have just said isn't threatening enough, try something else.

Thank God for Nairaland.
Anyone with a phone and data subscription can submit an opinion these days.

it is far better than a situation where only few privileged people having their opinions heard whether they were right or wrong

Interesting15:
So a guy here recently published a piece claiming no sex before marriage is a scam..

At first, I was thinking he's just one of those loose guys who only justify sexual immorality because they can't be human enough to gain mastery over their bodies, and who can't control themselves and are slaves to their urges.. But I was shocked that this guy was attempting to justify an unholy act like premarital sex, with the Holy Scriptures..

I was like, JESUS, this guy must be stopped!

First of all, if you check the guy's profile, you will discover he is selling sex tools and products. Therefore, he is only trying to pervert people's mind so they could comfortably patronise him. He is aware that the Holy Words of God is a threat to the sales of his immoral sex tools, hence, he is trying to twist the scriptures for his own dirty motives.. If only he knew the danger of what he just did! Don't forget that the devil too is a master at twisting the Bible!

Nevertheless, please discard his claims.. The Word of God stands sure.. Premarital sex is a sin, because it is contrary to God's Will. God's Will is that all sexual experiences should be shared between a married man and his female wife only, in the safe circle of their marriage.

The Bible says in Hebrews 13:4: "Marriage is honorable among all, and (let) the marriage bed (be) undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge"

It means, those that indulged in premarital sex will not only hurt themselves (STDs, unwanted pregnancies, etc), but will attract punishments to themselves (and even the devil will have a chance to afflict them).

God Himself said: "...the sexually immoral...shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" Revelation 21:8

The guy even claimed that during the time of Mary and Joseph, virginity wasn't highly regarded. That's a lie from the pit of hell! Their society was a very conservative one, and women caught indulging in sexual immorality are usually stoned to death!

The guy also claimed that you can sleep around because "God only sees a clean and a pure heart". Can you imagine! If you wear a clean white dress, won't you avoid anything that can get it stained?

In conclusion, although the world is currently vehemently corrupt (as we are in the last days), I want you to know that there are still many of us (Sons and Daughters of YAHWEH) still obeying Him and living lives of total purity. And guess what? We are happy and blessed. We are enjoying our marriages, and raising godly and responsible children.

for us to understand this whole thing, how do you define marriage?
What is marriage?

According to Oxford
Marriage can be defined as the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex in a CONSENSUAL and contractual relationship.

take note of the word CONSENSUAL.
meaning, it involves the agreement of the two individuals who want to live as husband and wife and not necessarily involving the consents of the family into some kind of marriage ceremony first.

That also implies that if a boyfriend and girlfriend have decided to be committed to their union such that they steak together as if they are married people, then they are legally married until the very day they decide to separate.

And if they have decided to live together like that till death do them apart, then God is aproved of such union.

Meaning : speaking in tongues was speaking other languages and not this saying what people do not understand that we do in churches today?

You asked a very valid question a lot of even pastors failed to consider

dalass:
Question...

1) Is tribulation and Wilderness experience the same?

THEY ARE THE SAME THING!
You must have deep understanding of the bible for you to start asking questions like this.

2) Do we all need to pass through the wilderness as Christians?

which wilderness?
Do you have any wilderness around the area you are living now?
It was mandated that the disciples should follow Jesus through the wilderness(what is known as the great tribulation) before they could be saved.
Today, we don't need all that.

3) What do we stand to gain or lose?

by going through the wilderness?
The closest we have in Africa is sahara desert, it's not funny habiting places like that and what for?

4) Is it of any spiritual or physical importance?

the only spiritual importance of the disciples going through the wilderness with Jesus was to establish God's kingdom on earth, that has already been achieved.

Discombulator:
This lady dressed like a wh0re is leading praise and worship.

my guy go sleep!
I thought you wanted to show that she killed somebody.

Maximus69:
Jesus' statements can't be understood unless you associate with his real followers!

Christians means sinners who accepted counseling from Jesus, prepared to make amendments in their former lifestyles to conform to Jesus' thoughts, words and actions. God's plan is to make this earth a Paradise for obedient humans to live youthful life forever.

From God's standpoint Christians comes first! 1Thessalonians 4:16


Born Again: Jesus was a mighty spirit being in heaven before he decided to come and offer himself as a ransom for our sin because imperfect blood can't repay the lost Adam brought upon his descendants {Psalms 49:7-9} he will rule the earth from heaven after he has presented the sacrifice before God, but his corulers are to rule the entire inhabited earth from Jerusalem {Isaiah 2:3, 9:7} the Jews profaned God's Temple in Jerusalem, killed God's prophets and at last they killed Jesus in Jerusalem, so Jesus foretold that Jerusalem is doomed! Matthew 23:37-38

His followers who had the hope of ruling from Jerusalem were confused so he told them God's new plan that God has granted them the privilege of going to live and rule with Jesus in heaven {John 14:1-4} there was no plans for humans to live in heaven before so no human has ever been there { John 3:13} that's why Jesus specifically told them saying "I'm going to prepare a place". Those who are going to rule with Jesus must also be transformed into spirit beings, so God was selecting them from amongst the Christians with his holy spirit after they're baptized, that's why Jesus referred to this Christians as Born Again! John 3:5-7

consider the emboldened, were they actually Christians before Jesus was crucified?

So the best thing for any human is to become a Christian because the gift of everlasting life is for Christians ONLY!

very true!

Faithful servants of God from Abel to John the baptist are yet to qualify for everlasting life because they don't know what Jesus taught!
But they will have the opportunity to learn from Christians after resurrection, whoever failed to abide by what Jesus says will be destroyed for good! Revelations 20:11-15

you are on point, very correct!

I understand your jw thoughts, sometimes you might be right, but most times you people always arive at the wrong conclusion after setting up a very valid premise, I don't know why

Kobojunkie:
I suggest you actually read that Bible again so you can better understand the error of your thought process in this. Jesus Himself said that except a man be Born again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
But here you are running around scripture looking for ways to justify that which is unscriptural and untrue.
If you want to discuss Nicodemus' encounter with Jesus Christ, I suggest you stick to the actual encounter, rather picking around scripture and getting no where.

ok,thanks! I'm done

I soon discover that it take so much intelligence to practice Christianity in order to fully harness the benefits that comes with it.

whether your brain can process it or not that is not important. The thread is not even about me or you
What is important is, there are intelligent people viewing this thread right now without commenting a word, they will go back to their bible and start reading again the story of everything that conspired during Jesus life on earth which is the best way to learn and not just focusing on one particular scripture.