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Mcuzy:
No...
If there is no hell like u said that means doing good is not worth it. If som1 kills a person he'll not feel bad cause he knows we'll all die and if resurrected the only thing God can do to him is to annihilate him and there is nothing wrong in that because according to u there is no spirit world so I'll just continue sinning because we'll all die , the only difference is that I won't be resurrected . So whoever tortures a person to death there'll be no punishment , so why do good?

you don't get it!
God is not the one passing out judgement to people who commit crimes or sin, humans are the one to pass that judgement here in this life.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life(not whosever commit sin) was cast into the lake of fire.

How did peoples name got into the book of life?
Because they believed in Christ that's all,
Not because they did not commit sin.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

So, God is not the one passing judgement to people who commit sin, rather, humans should be the one passing out the judgement to them.

Now, how do humans pass out these judgement?
They create laws in their country against these crimes.
So anyone torturing a fellow human to death unjudiciously should face the law, that is enough reason to stop commit sin, not the fear of any hell fire.

Nice

Yes

good one

OK

OtemAtum:
Humans who don't go into the spiritual realms to see the gods, Jehovah, Allah, christian afterlives, Muslim afterlives, Buddhism afterlives, atheists afterlives etc. are the ones that can say that they are doing beliefs. But as for me, Otem, who have gone to all those places, seen Jehovah, Allah, Atum, Olorun, Chukwu, Odin, seen Christians and Muslim's afterlives, learnt ancient languages, spiritual cultures, etc, the word belief should not be used for me, rather, the word KNOWER is adequate.

really?
That means you should know virtually everything about this physical life since you have come in contact with these spirits and they must have informed you so much

Yes

You will agree with in me that those who calls themselves born again are all chronic sinners like anyone else.
All the born again people i have ever known starting from the days i used to call myself born again till this moment i have come to know this truth, they are all terrible, miserable subtle and dangerous people, dangerous to even themselves unknowingly.

like the Pharisees in the bible they put on garments appearing to be modest, but meanwhile, deep in their heart they are not different from anyone else.

Now, look at it this way : almost more than half of Nigerian Christian population claim to be born again. These people go to church every Sunday and a vast number of them have become politicians, administrators, governors, presidents, vice-presidents, head of council's, senators, house of representatives etc. But guess what? Nothing has changed in the corrupt status of the nation in quote. Rather, things are even becoming worst.

What does this tells you?
There is nothing like born again in the real sense

OtemAtum:
Must u use the term 'belief'? I see that word as religious and I don't want to be religious.

there is no way a human being can be alive and he doesn't have beliefs.
Having belief is a thing of the mind, it's a product of how our minds interact with our environment using our five senses. So, you cannot escape having beliefs so long you are alive.
If you like use the most suitable contemporary word for beliefs : call it idea or concept or knowledge it is still the same thing.

1+ 1= 2 is knowledge, it also a belief.
some people can still doubt that knowledge.
If you ask them what is 1+1? they can tell you it is 3, that is their own, they don't want to know anything else.

OtemAtum:
I don't do the 'belief' stuff. I do what is called 'knowledge'. I'm a knower, not a believer.

that means, you believe what you know.
In either case, you still believe something.

OtemAtum:
There are groups of souls, their are afterlives where groups of souls go at default after dying from the earth. The Christians might choose to call the place where their groups of souls go to heaven. So the Muslims might want to do the same. Therefore we can have both Christians and Muslims' heavens.

exactly !
And that is why Christians believe in Jesus Christ and that is our heaven, and Muslim believes in Muhammad and that is their heaven.
In summary, heaven is what is in our minds in the real sense.
If you are an atheist and you believe God do not exist, that is your own heaven.

But the only distinguishing factor is what will happen after we all die.

As for hell, there is no place like that. God Almighty, the Creator of Jehovah, Allah etc will not allow any god to imagine such a place for human souls. The one imagined millions of years ago by some bad beings like Jehovah, Allah, El, Enlil etc have been made not to exist anymore and there will be none again.

if that your believe, that is heaven to you, it is your heaven

Mcuzy:
So what about when Christ said fear not he who can kill the body but he who can kill the body and the soul in hell

the meaning of word hell as used in ancient English as at the time the bible was documented is GRAVE.
So he'll means grave, and you know what graves are meant for?
Dead people or dead souls

, if ur right hand causes u to sin cut it off it is better for u to enter heaven whit an hand than to go too hell

this is parable and this is what is means :
The right hand or right eye signifies a religion, That religion is Judaism(religion of the Jews) and religion was part of the culture and tradition of the Israelites so they value their religion like the way they will value their eyes or hand and would not want them to cut off.
Now, Jesus was telling them cut off that religion or old covenant from you. It is better to enter into the new covenant with your old covenant cut off from you.
Remember the Jews were also expecting Christ and the new covenant which is God's kingdom to come at that time but they never knew jesus talking to them was the Christ.

whole where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth . How can u gnashing teeth when don't exist?

see, gnashing of teeth simply means to regrate.
It refers to the Jews regrating that they did not accept that Jesus they saw as the Christ afterall.

So, you see how it goes

Sonofman18:
Bill Gates (Microsoft).. Atheist
Jeff Bozos (Amazon).. Atheist
Steve Wozniak (Apple).. Atheist
Larry Page (Google)... Buddhist
Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) Atheist
Dangote (Dangote Group) Muslim
Oprah Winfrey (TV Talkshow) Agnostic
Jack Ma (Alibaba) Deist.

None of these men/ women are Christians....
None of them pay TITHES, yet they are all billionaires. None are cursed or in poverty.
They also give back most of their wealth back to the community in form of charity.. Etc
Also they have greatly impacted the lives of humans all over the world...
And after death their legacy would continue to live on.

Oyedepo world richest pastor
Adeboye, Oyakhilome, Okotie, Chris Okafor, Johnson Suleman, Oritsejofor, Laz Muoka, TB Joshua etc.. All the rich Pastors, Whose source of wealth COMES DIRECTLY FROM TITHES AND OFFERING.

Instead of giving back, they force the poor members to continue giving money... Eg dangerous offering to provoke God, pastors birthday offering, pastors wife birthday offering, seed for fruit of the womb, journey mercy seed, seed of favour and mercy,
seed of faith, testimony offering, thanksgiving offering, foundation offering, preaching offerings, tapping into the man of God anointing with a good seed offering, keying into the word of God with a good seed, provoking God's blessing with a good seed, Sunday school offering, maintenance offering, health offering, escaping death offering, building offering - All dubious ways to loot and maintain their lavish lifestyle.
Then they build schools in which the members can't attend. Funny enough it is the politicians and rich people who are not their members that attend the school. smh!

sorry, bill gate isn't an atheist

don't be confounded

Yes

Gathering isn't bad!
Only that you should go there to be enlightened or educated of scriptures, then you catch your fun interacting with fellow Christians.
But a situation where you go there and present yourself to be brainwashed by fallacy preachers, then it's better you don't go at all

To answer this question, the summary of what the bible is trying to let us know is that, this life we are living is the heaven we need, only that you have to be a christian in this life to be in heaven. meaning, if you are not a Christian you are not in heaven.

Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Meaning, heaven is near.
That was John the Baptist preaching.

As at the time John the Baptist was preaching this to the people, Jesus was already on earth. Jesus was to bring the kingdom to earth at this death and resurrection, so when John was saying the kingdom is near he was simply saying the death and resurrection of Jesus is near.

Now, when Jesus eventually died and resurrected that was how Christianity came to be on earth, so Christianity is the kingdom of God, the heaven on this earth. Heaven is no where else except on this earth, don't be deceived.
We are already there.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

The kingdom of God has already come unto men, it is already here with us.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The field is this world, so the kingdom of God is already planted in this world which is the church.
Today the church has grown to a stage that it should go beyond religion and all it activities in a building called church.
God isn't interested in church buildings and it activities, he is interested in you functioning on this earth.

The second question : what is hell fire?
He'll fire is simply the opposite of heaven : since heaven is simply life on this earth, hellfire is simply death : a state of no life.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


Hell fire can also be described as non Christians on earth : because when they die, they will not resurrect back into this earth with Christ since they did not believe in Christ.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So he'll fire is not fire burning people in mystery, it is simply death : condemnation.

There is nothing mysterious in this life, everything created by God is explainable.

Luke 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

Many scriptures were written in parables or figurative languages for this purpose : to confound the Jews and the Pharisees of that generation, not people of today.

So, if you are reading parables today in the bible you see hell fire thinking it is fire burning people : you have been confused by figurative language

to be a Christian means to believe in Christ that's all, nothing more than that.
If you like be armed robber or prostitute it doesn't change anything, you are still a Christian.
From the stand point of God's view, you are not different from bishop oyedepo and adeboye

please leave religion, tradition and government out of private business. If there are code of ethics guiding the private business called Babock why should a student not comply?

Code of ethics are not restricted to the university campus alone, they are rules that should guide the student behavior where ever they go, so long he or she remains a student in that university

The university aim I guess isn't to produce graduates who break rules and code of conducts governing their personal reputation or that of any organization they find themselves in the future.

I will suggest that the girl should be reinstated back to the school if she appeal that she regrate her action, what happened to her will serve as a deterent to other students who wish to misbehave willingly in that manner.

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

Where does the Bible teach that we are all Christians? Who's the "we" in your statement?

everyone believing in Christ are all Christians

First of all, there is nothing like born again, we are all Christians equally irrespective of whether you are bad or good.
Secondly, salvation is a free gift to all Christians irrespective of who they are.
The only condition a Christian can loose his salvation is when he deviate from the faith he had in Christ.
without faith it is impossible to please God.

So, all these fake stories that a Christian went to hell are all lies.

If you were born into a Christian home you are saved automatically. But whether you are Christian or not you need to work to acheive success in this life.

MJBOLT:

i dont have time to read the lengthy trash you zombies type,just tell us what stopped your all knowing god from correcting the mistakes in the bible.how can an all knowing being not spot mistakes written in his own book,is that not foolishness and there are people who worship this foolish god.

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obviously you are a lunatic that's why you can't read, go and sort out your problem yourself, don't quote me again o

And you think i will really have time for your inadequacies?

MJBOLT:

then your inadequate god

incase you don't know that talking like this to theists implies insulting or attacking their personality without due logical premise let it be known to you now.
Because believing in the existence of God comes from the mind of the theist. You do not know whether God exist or not the best you can do when approaching a theist for the first time is to ask questions were you don't understand about their beliefs first before saying their beliefs are inadequate. And you are even saying that without a concrete premise, that will amount to attacking their minds, by doing that you will never have answers to your questions.

should have waited till the world got advanced or better still given the men who wrote the bible a statelite or telescope,

is this your suggestion adequate premise enough to conclude that God is inadequate?

Do you hear yourself talking?

If I were you i will ask questions first where i do not understand in the bible before making suggestions

the same god who asked man to write his word yet could not give the same man the expected knowledge to do so

it's because you have not read bible before to know the content of it that's why you are assuming that God should do a thing like giving men the expected knowledge.
Have you asked yourself if God should give men the expected knowledge does that act alone defines God the way he was defined in the bible?

what a foolish god,

again this amount to attacking the minds of theists.
refrain from such statements and present your argument clean without attacking.
Better still if you conclude that God is foolish then you must back it up with a concrete logical premise from your understanding of the bible otherwise back off.

it's no suprise the bible is filled with contradictions and rubbish stories.

you are yet to come out with one contradiction since you became atheist, yet you are talking.

i'm sure your all knowing god saw that mistake but turned a blind eye to it same way his followers turn a blind eye to the truth,logic and common sense.

MJBOLT:

yet the so called all knowing god could not give them the knowledge and prevent such mistake,i love how you keep pointing out the shortcomings of your god.

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the point is, God did not create man only to inpute automatic knowledge into his brain.
Man have to undergo the learning stages from childhood to adulthood.

If imputing automatic knowledge is what atheists were expecting i think that expectation is flawed by natural process, hence you were not thinking straight.

MJBOLT:

i thought god was the one who gave the writers the inspiration to write the bible,are you now saying that even god does not know how the earth looks like?

being inspired is not the same as having knowledge.
There is a limit of understanding inspiration can help someone to achieve, but having the full understanding has no limitation when it comes to issue.

Men were inspired to write scriptures does not mean that the men were all knowing.

Olivegreen:
Is homosexuality a trully a sin because it was never completely justified in the Bible?

so long there is mutual agreement between the two people and it's a private affair it's not a sin.
But remember, it is irritating. Therefore practicing it openly is a sin because you are infringing on the right of those who are irritated by the sight of it to remain happy not seeing the act.

GivingUp:
Hi Nairalander,

Have been a follower of Christ right from when I knew the different between A and B. I became dedicated to him right from childhood, participating in church activities, alot, Right from Childhood. I pray to him, and I do everything necessary to please God, but now I need God more, he seems mute and quite, I pray to him about it, meditate and yet No positive result. Am really broke now, I worked for some company's and Hotels but when its time to pay, they cook up stories. I prayed about it, yet no results. I dont even have money to feed, yet they made me believe God is watching me with all the hardship.

Now, am confused isn't that God doesn't exist or he abandoned me, I dont get it

Please help.

but you were told that God is spirit?
Why are you then believing God for physical things like money rather than believing him for spiritual things, are you not trying to reap from where you didn't sow like that?

nlPoster:
You said the money expected did not materialize, why is there still a question?

By vow you mean free offering I assume.

Vow is under Old Testament law.

but it is assumed that it better not to vow at all than to vow and not remit

michaelwestern:
Considering 1corithians 11 who can justify women who go to church with their heads uncovered.

Please I need replies from people who support women worshipping with their hair uncovered.

It's the doctrine of a church I like but am not really satisfied with their explanation for it. I would like to continue to attend the church without any guilty conscience. So I need someone who can clearly help me justify it keeping 1corithians 11 in mind. Thanks

Take a look at this :

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom(referring to the Jews not having the custom or tradition of their women keeping their head open), neither the churches of God.

This implies that Jewish women who shaved their hair were required to cover their head going by the fact that their women usually have thick hairs on their head naturally which was glorious and attractive to men. In other words, if a woman shaved her hair, then she is no more attractive to men and that becomes a shame to her, so she will need to cover that shame.
That was the Jewish custom or tradition which was already already practiced in their churches as ordinance and Paul did not go against it.

Now, custom or tradition varies among people, for instance what was a custom or tradition among the Jews may not be custom or tradition in Africa.
Remember, African women never had long hair naturally like the Jewish women, so long hair was never what attracted men to women talkless of African women feeling ashamed before men to the extent of going to cover their head in shame simply because they did not have long hair.
So, it will be very wrong and out of place to use a Jewish custom of jewish women covering their head in church read in the bible as a standard for African women to do the same in their churches, because what was applicable to the Jewish custom may not be applied or fit into the African tradition

Kulas:
I hate people coming late to church.There are people that have taken it as habit.I do ask them,if you cannot come late to your work place you go Monday to Friday(Saturday), while should it be on church service.

dem dey pay salary for church?

Please, is there offence to vow in church following an alter call at the end the person did not remit the vow for reasons that the money he is expecting failed to come?
Will God be angry with such person like you wouldn't have taken the vow in the first place, therefore i will strike your life with poverty or something ?

what do you think?