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mrZENographer:
What is the millenarian teaching?

take note of the phrase in the screen shot below "THROUGH SUPERNATURAL ACTION."

God will never do anything again through supernatural action. Not even rapturing people to the clouds supernaturally.

It is all fiction, not real.

Finallydead:
And you only need to read the next verse to know who will be around at the time-
Matthew 24:22
[22]And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the sake of the chosen ones those days shall be shortened.

the choosen one it is talking about were the disciples of Jesus. They went through hell following Christ walking through the wilderness from their cities to Jerusalem where Jesus was to be crucified.
They walked through the wilderness(,desert without food and water) and that is the great tribulation Christ was talking about.
That is what Daniel prophesied

So yes there will be the chosen ones on earth during the great tribulation.

the chosen ones were the disciples, they went through that great tribulation in the desert with Christ without food and water.

Furthermore, the early church was taught what immediate signs to look out for preceding the Lord's coming
2 Thessalonians 2:1
[1]Now we beg you, brethren, over the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him,

no!
This scripture is talking about resurrection of the dead not rapture.

Take note now
2 Thessalonians 2:3
[3]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come an apostasy first, and the man of sin(antichrist) be revealed, the son of perdition;

So yes again believers were taught to expect the antichrist first before the Lord's coming.

antichrists were there long even before Christ was crucified.
I will tell you Antichrists were.
The people who arrested Jesus and crucified him were antichrists.
People who persecute Christians in bible days were antichrists, even Paul was one of them until his way to Damascus.

Again it's more important to develop your spirituality to the utmost each day as if it's your last regardless of when exactly or how the Lord's coming is. If you cannot overcome that sin today, you will NOT overcome it under the antichrist.

can anyone develop his spirituality under ignorance of the scripture?
I don't think it is possible.

Most Nigerian Christians are ignorant of scriptures how can they develop their spirituality?

Finallydead:
So many ideas fly around about the great tribulation most times neglecting what the Lord Himself said about as well as His messengers. The word was coined from this passage from the Lord -
Matthew 24:21
[21]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

this scripture you just quoted is prophecy quoted from a written document of a script prophesying what will happen shortly before Christ(Jesus himself) was to be crucified.
Whenever you come across a scripture in the bible that begins with the word "FOR" (Example: For then shall be great tribu..), it is an indication that the scripture is a prophecy and it is quoted directly from a script written in the past.
So, Jesus quoted that scripture from a script containing prophecies of Daniel.

And Daniel strictly prophesied about Jesus coming to die and resurrect.

The dead and resurrection happened 2000 years ago.

You have to think, otherwise you will not understand what I'm saying

mrZENographer:
Hmm. The way you unbelievers twist things ehh!

and by the way,
Not believing somethings you believe doesn't make me an unbeliever.

After the anointing clear for your eye, you and the pastor Una go contribute money buy my phone for me.

I nor fit shout

TruthHurts100:
Oga, please who is the anti-christ?

It's simple English. If you're still expecting the anti-christ, what do you call those that punished and killed Jesus Christ?
What do you call those persecuting Jesus disciples today?

Please respond.

very valid questions you ask here

mrZENographer:
Hmm. The way you unbelievers twist things ehh!

Did I not previously agree that the word 'rapture' isn't in the Bible. But the definition from which the word was coined is there.

Even if you want to change the word 'rapture' to your name, want will happen will happen.
The saints will be caught up in the sky to meet Jesus in the air. So give that a word.

the dictionary you uploaded has said it all.

According to the millenarian teaching,
Not according to the bible.

Sunnyvision:
Jesus was explaining future event that will take place after the rapture, the great tribulation explained in Matthew 24:21 talked about the event that will happen after the rapture of the saints.
in Matthew13:21; the tribulation that was explained in that passage was persecution, this were persecution of saints who uphold & preach the word of God.

how do you know that this persecution of saint was going to happen in the future?
Did that scripture says anywhere that it was going to happen in the future?

Well, on the contrary see when Jesus says all the things he was talking about in Matthew 24 is going to happen.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

That's what he told them. That, that their generation of 2000 years ago will not past until all those things are fulfilled.

otuekong1:
what now happens to the fallen angels(demons) that were casted down to earth after they revolted against GOD?

do you see any physical angels with us?
Since there are no physical angels with us here on this earth obviously the angels may be responsible for controlling the minds of humans to decide to do evil.
But we can overcome that and refrain ourselves from evil inspite that thought of doing evil may come to our minds sometimes.
We have the power now to decide for ourselves.

Christ days all power has been given to us. Meaning, no angel have power over us.

Sunnyvision:
it will commence after the rapture of the Saints.

but the great tribulation mentioned by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:21 happened as at the time before Jesus was crucified as suggested in the bible, that was about over 2000 years ago?

You people are saying rapture will take place only God knows when?

I don't get it

mrZENographer:
Before we can take this conversation further, pls answer what is Rapture by your own definition or understanding?

sorry I didn't see this on time!
Take a look at the screenshot below.
Number 3 says often capitalized, do you know what that means?
It means to invent and sponsored.

The dictionary also suggest that rapture in Christianity is an assumption.
Meaning, it is not scriptural.

And truly there is no such word like rapture in the bible.

BlueAngel444:
The first Apple Computer went on sale for $666.66.
Newton's Three Laws of Motion were completed by 1666.
Oil is composed mostly of carbon atoms, which contain 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons (666). Oil has driven the technology revolution.
Epistemology is the study of knowledge. It sounds like Epistle, the letters of Paul, suggesting that acquisition of knowledge is to be avoided like Pauline teaching.
Physics sounds like "three six" (666).

The gematria for computer is 666 (for those who know gematria is)

All the above especially the oil are the world leading wealth and money creators.

mteeeeew!

Rubbish!

There is nothing like 666 or mark of the beast.

It was meant in bible days, not this era or the future.

You say wetin?
When did you say the great tribulation is taking place?
Is it in the future or it has taken place already?

A peculiar nonsense post of the year

There are over 30 similar stories I have heard this man keep saying like this.

And guess what?
The witches or defaulters are always women, Nothing is wrong with the man or the pastor.

where is this man getting these stories from?

Ornament2003:
What kind of peculiar nonsense is this?

guy, Una mouth eh

Peculiar nonsense

Blakewilli:
well, its due to the rampant killings, sexual atrocities,epidemic outbreaks etc that are ongoing on Earth . Your post is very extensive indeed. I guess i understand.

it was worst than this in the past.
Infact, there were cases of men enslaving fellow men. You know what means?
The slave master has the right to sexually abuse his female slaves and kill the males at will because they were at his disposal, nobody could question him.
Also, there were cases of deadly diseases like leprosy, if you read the old testament you will find a lost this.
But ever since Christ came to earth to die the narrative is gradually changing for better.
Through the teachings of Christ in the scripture there was a mental revolution in the mindset of people. Read the bible changes how people think.
Today, the relative peace the nations of the world are enjoying is as a result of Christ emphasizing love for fellow mankind, value that eventually became the philosophy of most world's organizations like the UN and the Common wealth.
There was drastically reduction of slave trade among continents and other several related injustice perpertrated by men to fellow men.
Infact, with the invent of the internet and the social media there has transparency to a large extent in hiden crimes of remote regions. People are seeing and hearing what is happening outside their local environment.

See what Christ said.

Luke 8:17 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Certainly, the world is getting better and it is moving towards the right direction.

Blakewilli:
Nice one, but God-forbid that this be God's kingdom.

why did you say so?

This is the end time preceeding the coming of God's kingdom.

his resurrection marks his kingdom on earth. From that moment of his resurrection till now all believers have been in heaven her on this earth.
This is the reality and the truth.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Before he was crucified he told his disciples in

Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Then, after he resurrected, he still met his disciples and said:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Then, to fulfill what he told them in Luke 22:18 that he will not eat until the kingdom is come, he did this.

Luke 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.

He took bread and blessed it and and gave to them in the kingdom of God.

Therefore, the kingdom of God is just simply change of era, time.
Change from the era of the old covenant to the era of the new covenant, From BC to AD.

Somehow, i feel we shouldn't love the world but we should just fuifill the laws, necessary on Earth.

the laws you are talking about have it foundation from love. Romans 13:9
So, you can't avoid loving the world if you must keep to the laws of the world.

For jesus said ''the world will hate you as it hated me'

if the world hate you, does that mean that you should hate the world in return? I don't think that's what Jesus thought.
On the contrary, he thought that we should forgive 70 times 7: meaning, even when we are hated we should forgive continually.

and he also said 'do not love things of the world for he loves things of the world do not love things of the father. You cant serve two masters at the same time.

the things of the world he referred to here, are wrong doings of the world, that is what we should hate.

But anything that is good, like having fun, meeting with people, party together etc. We don't have choice but to love.

Even the so called modern have already comprised to the old classical way so what's the difference?

The young people say they want to be different, now they are comprising their stand because of daddy G.O tradition.

Tradition strong sha, especially when it comes to Yoruba

Fortissimo502:
What is your definition of wordly?

this physical world it means ungodliness or sinfulness or lust in committing sin. That means the individual is not doing something legitimate.

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

So, going to parties and catching fun with friends isn't a sin or worldly, so long you are doing something legitimate.

On the other hand in spiritual terms, Worldly means not conforming with the new covenant in Christ. That is, not believing in Christ as your sanctuary to salvation but depending on a worldly sanctuary like Judaism who had the old covenant(for the Israelites who refused to believe in Christ)

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant(the old covenant) had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

By the way, I believe what Jesus said applies to everyone.

why will you believe a thing like that, did Jesus Christ said it applies to everyone?
Let's not impersonify what does not worth to be impersonified as the least person in God's kingdom is greater than all those disciples Jesus was talking to.
Today, you are already in God's kingdom but they were never in God's kingdom at that time, so you are better.

I believe he's saying rich people trust in their wealth.

trust in their wealth for what?
For their salvation?
I don't think there is any rich Christian today that his trusting on his wealth for his salvation, not even non Christians.

It's difficult to let go of something as secure as wealth for something as "intangible" as the kingdom of God.

yes!
That was what happened when Christ told a rich man to give all his wealth to the poor and come follow him, It was very difficult to do that.
That was bible days when there was no salvation.

And be assured that God will never request any wealthy Christian today to let go of his wealth for anything. He already have his salvation why will he loose his wealth?

Why do you think its mainly people who have hit rock bottom or have no other options that see God move mightily in their life?

that's not true!
Yes, it's true that sometimes one have to look away from things that may distract their attention when they seek God in prayer, things like their wealth. But God is not moved mightly in their life because they want to do away with distractions and focus on him, God isn't emotional like that.
God is only moved when the person obey simple instructions and natural laws of love your neighbour as yourself and believing in Christ for his salvation.

People who have other options or think they have other options usually try those options before God. Unfortunately that limits God's movement.

it depend!
If the other options are doing something illegitimate or denying Christ, these are the only conditions that limits God in the life of anyone.
But if a Christian who is making his wealth legitimately does not allow his money to enter his head and become pompous, then God can never be limited in the life of that person.

Jesus said we should approach his kingdom like children. This means we should recognize our helplessness.

he wasn't even talking to you, so stop using the word "we"

Heaven doesn't help those who help themselves. Heaven helps the helpless.

let the helpless remain there waiting and not do anything about their plight let's see whether they will get help

Reichel99:
Nice. Smart girl secured her future.

idiot!
It's people like you and her mother that have pushed that innocent little girl of 16 years old to marry that 65 years old pig all because of money.

What happened to her dream and happiness she would have gotten marrying someone younger, she has forfeited that one all because of money?

Money can never buy happiness, never. That's what poverty will not let people like you know.

We will see the outcome of this stupid drama in the future, it will not be different from Bianca who got married to one old man Ojukwu when she was 17 all because of money.
where is the Bianca today, has not all the money disappeared?

You Nigerians Una mumu o

Blakewilli:
This has been confusing me a lot. I feel guilty whenever am having pleasure in wordly activities and i feel bored if i do not engage in them. Many a times,Jesus condemned 'love for wordly things'.He also stated how nearly impossible it is to enter the kingdom of Heaven being a rich man on Earth. In the Beautitudes, he also talked about the eternal benefits gotten by one who is in lack on Earth. At this point, how should we Christians act daily to be on the right path? Should we just do away with success, affluence,happiness on Earth and be in sorrow and a state of repentance for the rest of our lives?

spending your money and having fun with friends going to parties and other social groups are never worldly so long they are legitimate.

Also, when Christ stated that it was impossible for a rich man to enter God's kingdom. Identify what he meant by God's kingdom, he meant the time of his death and resurrection. Luke 13:25

Going by what happened when Christ came on earth to die and resurrect (approx: 2000 years ago) it was impossible for a rich to abandon all his wealth and give them to the poor and come follow Jesus Christ and become his disciple and follow him through the wilderness to Jerusalem where he will be crucified and resurrected to bring down his kingdom on earth.

So when Christ was saying it is impossible for a rich man to enter God's kingdom, he wasn't talking to you today but the rich men of that generation of 2000 years ago .

Before his crucifixion God's kingdom wasn't here among men so it was required of men to leave all their wealth and follow Christ to Jerusalem. Even Peter says we have left all and follow you. Matthew 19:27
But after his crucifixion and resurrection that requirement of becoming poor does not stand anymore.

If you have never understood the bible to this point you can never be free, you will just be suffering for nothing in the name of being sobber

Yes

Why is it that there are so much suffering in the world and it seems God is not doing anything to change that?

I think it's because our destiny is in our hands.
Whatever we enjoy or suffer today is as a result of the decisions we took in the past.
Also, the decisions of our parents, the government of the day and who we have decided to vote into power may be factors contributing to whether are are enjoying or we are suffering today.

So, God isn't responsible for anyone's suffering or enjoyment.

But will God intervene and change our destiny for better inspite that wrong decisions were taken unbehalf of us by our parents or the government?
Can we pray to God that he should change our destiny for better inspite that we are not aware that the decisions taken by our parents not to give us any form of quality education is making us suffering today?

I think it is the right of God to remain neutral about that if he want to.

chrisnwoke1:
I was rather becoming MORE AMBITIOUS and hoping for the day I will command such crowd and influence.

not everyone want to be a pastor and command a crowd.
People like us we want to enjoy every bit of the service not going into too much long prayers, what for?

And I remember, it was one of these big churches that the pastor asked every congregation to shake hands with the next person and introduced themselves freely. Luckily, the next person beside was a billionaire and i just finished my nysc that same year. Something told me to tell the man i needed a job and he gave me his contact and asked me to foward my CV to his e-mail and that's how i got my first job.

I later discovered that this same person, people applied for weeks just to see him in his office.

This is hate speech..

ffo:
Are you a parent?

I have a seven years old daughter she is in primary 3.
She has already developed her own minds and principles and when we look at her little principles they fall in line with what we wanted from a child.
All we did was to mentor her, not imposing or forcing it on her.
We made her understand the reasons why she need to do those things that are right. For instance, you don't go about behaving like Nairamarley simply because his music are played everywhere because you have a better future.

Adakintroy2:
If you no get sense. I can't help you. Honor your father is a grand command. You will soon be the father you condemned one day then you will know it's not easy. The country is try is hard to provide for children food health, clothes and pay renthe as well as put them in good schools is not easy. You can't monitor them online as well.

All people advocated is that we all cotribute. But your kind seem to have found justification for wrong. Carry on. You own sister or brother or pickin DE road. Dem go smoke weed tire

did you read my comment that you quoted at all?

DominusPrime:
Think with a bit more maturity ok. Take a 100 children with so-called functional guidance, yet a few will still choose a path antagonistic to their upbringing. It's bound to happen.

very true!
You have just said a few, atleast the chance that the child will choose an antagonistic part will be low if there is a very effective and functional guidance

ffo:
chairman, parenting goes beyond that, parenting nowadays is different, you need to jealously guard and protect your kids from societal influence from people like naira marley, Tonto, toke, etc who are bad influence on the society. It takes physical, spiritual, emotional, etc all join together to grow up a child

as if the child does not have his own mind and what he wants to do?

You want to jealously guard and impose your own beliefs and principles to the child in the name of protecting him or her abi?

Go and ask those who have done that before they will tell you the outcome.

blowjohn:
How do u train a child to block his or her ears from the sound of music?
How do u train a child to unsee what he or she has already seen on TV?

A bop of the head
A swing of the arm
A twist of his or her waist
.......and a trained child is caught up in the frenzy.

there is no way one can stop music from entering the ear, everywhere you go loud speakers are playing nairamarley so you can't stop the music from entering your ear.
What you can stop is allowing the music influence you negatively.