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You have spoken well sir!

We have a government who is not investing much in education how will the people know that the act is worst than the speech?
Refusing to invest in education is hate act itself therefore you can't expect the people to do less than hate speech. Then, you wake up one morning to bring a bill in order to suppress their rights to speak?

Na craze world be that na craze world o!

happYFingers:
Good Evening, though this is coming late, but I want to categorically state that ACPPB Is God's gift to Mankind, especially the end time generation to draw men and women to Himself.
In ACPPB, we believe and trust God Almighty, profess and practise Christ-like attitude and All we do is INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit of God.

What surprises people is how easy it is to hear from God - who they have ignored and not seriously sought after all their lives, for God speaking to them through His prophets/visioners as if they have never been away from Him.

The God of 'Ekpere Ufuma' as ACPPB Is widely called is LOVE and what we preach and try to live by is LOVE for God and your fellow mankind, as exemplified by our Lord Jesus Christ.
EVERY OTHER ISSUE IS IMMATERIAL BEFORE GOD IF YOU DON'T HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING.

i don't get it!
You mean, the church teaches that jazz/juju works and you call that immaterial?

redsun:
Juju is just mere magic and understanding of plants and herbs in the forest,there is nothing mysterious about it,There are plants and herbs in the forest that can kill a human in an instant or put one in comma,suspended animation like zombies,the native doctors understands how they work through intimate knowledge mostly passed on from generation to generation and they use it to work on the ignorants.However,plants have great healing effects if you understand how they work,just like mordern pharmacist,using plants and herbs to make drugs that you buy everyday in your pharmacy. Knowledge is power,the more you know,the less mysteries and the easier it becomes.

obviously, everyone on this thread saying juju works are ignorant and they need to go to school or learn what native doctors knows that makes their herbs work, by that there is nothing mysterious about native doctor?

The vast majority of Africans believe in the existence of this fictious rubbish, a sign that Africa is terribly behind in terms of education and awareness. This explains why the majority of people commenting on this thread affirmed it existence

May his soul rest in peace

daviddove:
You dont have any understanding, Even humans are called Gods , so dont bring John 1:1 ,

humans are called small God's, not the supreme God. Humans lifespan were limited and never lived from the beginning.
But Jesus is the supreme God himself who has lived from the beginning according to John 1:1. So, don't tell me i shouldn't bring John 1:1

can the supreme God Have a God ? Did Jesus have a God?

your question shows your opinion that Christ is the supreme God himself as the supreme God cannot possibly have a God because he is all supreme.

What do you mean by court of unbelievers, sharia court or what?
Because magistrate courts or high courts of justice and even customary courts can never be classified as courts of only unbelievers.

By that way, what makes you think the church can play the role of a court?
Are churches creating laws for Christians?

OLAADEGBU:
Did you get this 'knowledge' by being born into a Christian home?

no!
we are all students of the bible

Believing in Christ is not enough you still have to repent and show fruit of repentance.

very true!
But repentance did not and will never justify anyone into eternal life, Only faith in Christ do.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.(without repentance).

It's a conclusion.


However, Repentance is only good for our successful living here on this earth(not for eternal life). repentance is not just for Christians, everyone including Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, judaists, atheists, can repent too

Leave Muslims out of this and answer the question.

I have answered your question in my previous post what are you talking?
I said the right question should be are you a Christian? and i gave reasons.

Jerry has already answer the question in the videoclip. Are you born again? [/,quote] don't mind Jerry, he is pulling you people's legs.
He knows the truth deep within himself, If I were him certainly i will do the same.
The man will never forsake his background where he is coming from, where all the source of his education and parenting from childhood comes from. So, he will look for a way to fit into the old doctrines just to please daddy and let him know he appreciate all he did by sending him to school abroad, but meanwhile the man is not in deeper life in his heart. He will always go back to his real self the moment he is out of sight from the church in UK, America or elsewhere, It's simple common sense.
[quote]You don't know Jerry because Jerry is not the one who got married in Jamaica.

it might not be in Jamaica. May be I'm confusing that of the other brother where they got married.
But certainly i am sure the lady Jerry got married to is from Jamaica, She isn't Nigerian.

That notwithstanding, i know him to be liberal person unlike his father and the deeper life church who are conservative and you can't dispute that.

You lied and you are not a good person. You are a liar and this is why you need to repent and believe the gospel truth.

what's the meaning of all these if I'm a good person or not, how does that affect you?
Did i tell you i was good?

Let me give you another chance to dig yourself out of the ditch. Was it Jerry that got married in Jamaica or not?

OK, it wasn't Jerry that got married in Jamaica, are you satisfied now

Keep looking for one error you can use to say i lied, it won't change the fact that i know him.
Mere the fact that his daddy is well known anything unusual that happens to him everyone who cares knows.

unbitchable:
I'm completely in support of the hate speech bill. If the bill was in effect, people like Elrufai, Ango Abudulahi, FFK, Reno, would have been hung by the balls.
A certain Ochereome Nnanna would have been buried 6 fts down below for calling a tribe sophisticated morons. Nnamdi kanu would have become a rotten corpse for his several hate speech & calls for violence against other tribes.
A lot of children of hate would have had their balls split in twos for calling a tribe cows & terrorists.
More importantly, the bill will checkmate religious clerics & further curtail religious tensions especially in the north.

you have a point, but the problem is, the bill is not open to the general public for the content to be viewed by everyone for verification that it aim is to achieve all these things you mentioned before it is passed to the national assembly. Does that not tell you that there are unhealthy interior motive of the bill sponsorers?

So no one is entitled to his opinion again because of hate speech bill?

Mr Oyedepo thanks for speaking out

Informer155:
Chai!!! oga can't believed you type those words. don't you err because you don't know the scriptures? seriously I can see why you skipped the book of revelation

what book of revelation?
See, there is nothing hidden under the sun that someone cannot understand.

I am speechless because a Christian that said Bible(especially words of Jesus) is a story of the past,and for the people of the past have not really believed that the foundation

it is true now! Jesus made that statement in the past and it was strictly for people of that time, not now.
When you hear people say the word of God for us today, the word of God for us today is strictly the 10 commandments : though shall not kill, thou shall not lie, thou shall not commit sin. Anything in the bible outside these commandments are just stories for us to know what happened. They are not for us to take them like, "the word of God'"
God is more interested in our present lives today than what happened in the past.
Have you read Jesus saying the least person in God's kingdom is greater than John the Baptist? Luke 7:28.
Of a truth we are greater than John the Baptist and everyone living in that past, while John the Baptist is greater than all the prophets living in old testament which was his past.
Today, I'm using computer, drives in a beautiful car and lives comfortably in a well designed smart world, John the Baptist could not afford all that in his time.
We have the power : there is a chapter of the bible that is written about us, far more important than what happened in the past, You don't know what you are capable of

let me tell you sir.The Words of Jesus is a living word forever and ever, it will remained true and applicable as long as earth exist.don't joke with the word of God.check this.

very true!

"I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." John 17:14

WHICH WORDS DID JESUS SPEAK DURING HIS DAYS ? can't you see that Mathew also recorded that;

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things WHATSOEVER I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." math 28:18-20

JUST THINK ABOUT THE BOLDED!! and the whole statement. Christianity is not a joke brother.


so you think the words of Jesus are stories of the ancients and for the ancient??

"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" heb 1:3

you are absolutely right here. but like have said, we are here to uphold this same words of Jesus forever no matter the changes that comes with time.

let me purse here sef....bro do you really believed that JESUS IS GOD!!!? Who is God sef? do you really understand what you are saying at all.


that's how Daddy freeze do err woooo

I am not daddy freeze!
I soon understand that everyone are still learning about this bible including all pastors.
There is so much to know that we haven't known yet, its like we have not yet started.

LESSON:ALWAYS REMEMBER that JESUS IS/WAS/AND still GOD.


FINALLY: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2tim 3:


I can't argue with you about the word of God.may God give us understanding all.thanks

thanks

Informer155:
Mr paxonel we need to chat on whasapp.....if u won't mind.


how do you split your comments like that? I mean section by section I don't know how to do that pls help...maybe the gist can go on here

take a look at the screen shot below.
To open a section input the word "quote" into the parenthesis [ ]
To close the section before commenting on it inpute the word "/quote" into the parenthesis
[ ]then make your comment on that section and click submit

You can also click on the yellow emoji among all the green emogies in the message icons on your comment page to get a ready made "quote" in parenthesis. Put your sentence inbetween and comment on the same sentence outside the parenthesis then click submit and see what will happen

Informer155:
have you ever come across this?..."Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." math 7:21-23.

calm down!
There is something you have omitted from this scripture unconsciously.
The story behind it.

Many will say to him Lord Lord on that day!
Who were the many? (I'm asking this question with past tense because the story is past since 2000 years ago)

There were many people who followed Christ and called him Lord Lord before he was crucified, who were the many? How many the 5000 many or multitudes who eat five loads of bread and two fishes in the wilderness ended up becoming Christians after Christ resurrection?
Acts 1:15 have the answer, they were just 120 of them left. The rest of them Christ told them i know you not. Hence, few people entered the kingdom of God.
Remember this same people prophesied, cast out demons and healed people with Christ while Christ was yet alive on earth.

What am i say?
Let's not quote scriptures written 2000 years ago and refer sinners of today to the scripture saying the scripture is talking about them there is no intelligence in doing that, because you don't know who the scripture was referring to.

You have to learn how to read scriptures intelligently, This is why white men are far better than blacks, they are very intelligent.

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." I john 3:8

And so?
Does this gives us the power to judge sinners?
Whosoever has not sinned before let him cast the first stone on her.
Let's say Jerry was truly a sinner. As a church you went ahead to bring him out to confess his sin before the public as if the church is saint and do not commit sin themselves, what kind of church are you?

so sin is not a negotiable thing in Christ Jesus.

we know!
But Christ was patient with sinners, but your church is not

Its all about holiness without you can't see the Lord bro

and no one is holy in that church either

So?

OLAADEGBU:
And you have absolute knowledge, right?

don't misunderstand me.
No one has absolute knowledge. All I'm saying is there is a level of knowledge about Christ that when you have it you will be break free from religion.

Since Christ has been crucified have you now been born again?

the right question you should ask is, do i believe in Christ?
If i tell you i believe in Christ that should settle everything between us, cos we are all one in Christ irrespective of our denomination.

But by the time you start asking are you born again?
Have you ever asked a Muslim that question are you born again and hear what he will answer you?

A man with experience is not at the mercy of the man with an argument. Are you a good person?

it doesn't matter whether I'm good or not.
The same thing applies to Jerry your pastors son.
Look, before now i have known that boy Jerry,the other of his brother i don't know much about him.
The boy Jerry i know is very vast, knowledgeable to the core, deeper life should be very proud to have someone like him.
The way he reasons is almost totally out of the scope of religion his father thought him, Ofcourse this explains the lot of controversies surrounded his wedding back then in Jamaica. It was as if he was not groomed in deeper life.
His wife, another controversy, a smart lady.

whatever you people think about that boy in deeper life one thing i know about him is his interest is to unite the body Christ in general and not just deeper life and it doctrines. He does not preach, yet he knows better.

Come over to Jamaica or the united state where he frequently visit nobody talks about born again or religion or doctrines. All we know is we all belong to Christ irrespective of who you are : so long you believe that Jesus is the Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you now see why you have to be born again?

i told you, you don't belong there. From what i see in your posts on NL you are far more intelligent than that church, it seems you have gone to school to some extent but you choose to subdue yourself into their errors and limit yourself within their little jurisdiction of knowledge about Christ thereby not getting the freedom that comes with absolute knowledge, it's your choice

what you don't know, you don't know it's as simple as that.

A quick review of what born again entails is this, may be you should put on your thinking capacity to understand this.
1. when Jesus met Nicodemus and told him you must be born again, Christ has not yet been crucified. Meaning, there was no Christianity then.

2. Consider this scripture :

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (meaning, this is what i mean by born again)

John 3:8(Jesus put up this parable to explain what he meant by born again) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit (born again)

Go and find out the meaning of that parable, know the meaning of born again and be free from religion.

The man did not commit any sin. He was somehow cajoled by the church to make the unreasonable confession for some selfish reason, what is the sin you have committed by being a pastors child?
Aiyam not understanding o!

This shursh sef

Nice

Yes

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

To start with, we were empowered by God right from the very day Christ resurrected.
We only use this power by keeping or observing all commandments whatsoever we were thought by Christ and these commandments include :
Thou shall love God and your neighbour by not stealing, not lying, not committing murder, not bearing false witness, honor your parents etc.

Anything other than keeping these commandments we have compromised our power, that is when Satan comes in to show his ugly head.

Now, many of us were ignorant of how to keep these commandments of Christ,why? Because we did not go to school.
Why others were taking education seriously in class during our primary school and secondary school, we were busy playing or our parents were so poor and could not afford to sponsor us further, as a result, we dropped out of school and never further to university or polytechnic level, therefore we could not fit into the current economic trend and intellectual productivity, excluding ourselves among people who understand how to keep these commandments of Christ which is responsible for the hardship we go through today. Then we start blaming witches and wizards for our predicament jumping from one deliverance church to another but of no vail.

Churches like mfm, liberation city, redeem and winners chapel etc purportedly providing deliverance to the society are the ones benefiting from that our stupidity and foolishness in the society.

But how do we get this thing corrected?
Obviously, the only way out is to revamp our education system in this country and not any deliverance.
The only way out is to make sure our children remain in school reducing the number of out-of-school children.
The only way out is to encourage adult education and not church or mosque deliverance.

There is power in believing yourself than mere prayers and the only way you can believe in yourself is to know.

Akin1212:
Were you there when this intervention took place or are you just contributing assumptions as it suits your whim and bias?

I'm not assuming, it's not about whether I'm there or not, it's about written facts.
There are facts in the bible indicating extraordinary capabilities. These capabilities possibly are extended to reproductive physiology which evolution could not explain as pointed by the op.

Certainly, evolution will not possibly occur by chance. There was an intervention of an intelligent spiritual God somewhere along the line which is the origin of sexual reproduction.

First of all, tithing is intellectually degrading, brainwashing and illegal distortion of church members borrowed from ancient Judaism of the old testament, Malachi precisely.
Secondly, church building is not the church, the people are. So, why spending so much to build an elaborate building?
Thirdly, schools were meant to build people intellectually. A situation where the source of money used for building schools is gotten from an intellectually degrading system like tithing what do you call that?

Nigerians are truly confused.

Fake story!

Where pictures for the link?

Are you telling us that UNN management will allocate venue on campus for unsensible unproductive activity like witchcraft meeting, do you realize that universities are places for intelligent people?

OK, if you claim the witches are spiritual therefore will not take permission from UNN for using their land what are your evidence that these rubbish is real?

Where pictures for the link?

Do you realize that people can rear harmless snake and bring it to the church for drama and they will be paid for it from tithe and offering money?

Open your eyes all these mumu people

ABCthings:
Okay you have a point there.
But tithing is still one of the major incomes for the Church, maybe with time it will gradually be stop.

ofcourse yes,

Daejoyoung:
okay so now that there is a kingdom of God, how do we live our lives now in this new kingdom? aren't we to follow the teachings of the king in this kingdom which is christ himself? for example live by the beautitudes and the sermon on the mount?
jesus said for instance, that you are forgiven of your sins by God as you forgive others who trespass against you, he also said mainly to people go and sin no more.
Jesus came to destroy the work of the devil which is sin and slavery, so we must sin no more and live by his commandments such as

Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you

Love thy neighbour as thyself


Whosoever wants to do the will of God and ask for the Holyspirit, and is a seeker of righteousness, shall be filled,

exactly!
We ought to follow all these teachings of Jesus. The commandments are very necessary for our successful living in this kingdom that we are already in.
But they were never the criteria for us to be in the kingdom in the first place. Neither will they become a criteria for us to exit the kingdom.

So, when i see people saying a Christian will go to hell or he is in hell fire, i laugh, what are these ones say?

Salvation is free gift, we don't work for it, neither are we keeping the law for it.

We are not keeping the law for God, we are keeping the law for us.
The law was meant for us.

solite3:
there is something called being bornagain. Not everyone that call Jesus Lord will enter into the kingdom of God.

hello!
That was before Jesus was crucified.
Not every disciple who followed Jesus and called him lord lord ended up entered the kingdom, that was past tense.
Today we are now in the kingdom of God (present moment).

So understand the time difference.

Infact, that time before Jesus was crucified when people saw him performing miracles was the era of born again, there was no Christianity then.

Imagine Christians waking up to call themselves born again because they saw the term in the bible at the era before Jesus crucifixion and resurrection?
that is contradictory and ridiculous.
You are only belittling yourself because the least person in Christianity is greater than born again. John 11:11

Daejoyoung:
Was that what jesus taught you? what did jesus himself say, to enter life keep the commandments, then deny yourself take up your cross and follow me. Stop interpreting the gospels by the epistles, rather interprete the epistles in the light of the gospels. Read the teachings of jesus and live your life in that reality.
Jesus himself came to teach what the kingdom of God should be like on earth, his death was a foundation for that kingdom, so that by his own blood he bought for himself a multitude from across the world who would make up that kingdom.
lf one doesn't practice what jesus taught, claiming that all he came to do was to die? how then can one claim to be a follower of the christ?

if i were you i will go back and digest the full story of what conspired when Jesus to told the man to enter life keep the commandments

Matthew 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

That means something was still lacking with the commandments the man has been keeping from youth. To solve that problem read verse 21

Matthew 19:21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Come and follow me to where?
To Jerusalem were Jesus will be crucified and resurrected where heaven and it's treasures will come down to earth at his resurrection.

Note : this instruction of selling and giving to the poor and come follow Christ is not for us today. The instruction was for that man and anyone who want to be Jesus disciples at that time, not now.
So, understand the time difference.

There was no kingdom of God at that time Jesus gave them that instruction because Christ has not yet been crucified.
Today in our time there is kingdom of God because Christ has been crucified and resurrected, therefore were are greater than John the Baptist and all Jesus disciples at that time Jesus was not yet crucified, including all the prophets of the old testament and their commandments Matthew 11:11

Daejoyoung:
christ is the way in what sense? the end goal is simply to keep his commandments, this is the reason you are told to believe in christ in the first place. To believe that he has authority to give those teachings, and then obey the teachings, and secondly to share in the fellowship of his sufferings.

no!
That is a misplaced priority!

We believe in Christ in order to have everlasting life, that is the first priority, the only reason Christ came to earth to die.

John 3:16 ...whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

So Christ is the way to everlasting life not the way to his commandment.
Infact, his commandment has been there long before Moses and that did not achieve eternal life.

Daejoyoung:
A Christian is a follower of the way, armed robbery and prostitution is not part of the way.
The fact that christ is a friend of sinners simply means that he wants to call them out of those ungodly ways into his way( the way to the father).

no!
There is no other way of the father but to have faith in Christ only.
Christ teachings are not the way, Christ himself is the way.

dVIA:
Becoming born again is not an end to a sinful life.

This is because most of the people who got Born again refuse to become Disciples of the Lord.

The only way to deal with a sinful life, is to become a disciple.

Difference Between Believer and Disciple

1. Believer have his will and desires, he is not ready to surrender then to the Lord. He wants the Lord to bless his personal will and desire

Disciple normally submits all his will and desire to the Lord. He wants to do the Will Of the Lord rather than his own.

2. Believer is not interested in making any sacrifice for the gospel.

Disciple is willing to bare burdens, if possible suffer for the faith.

3. Believer is more interested in what God will do for them

Disciple is more interested in what to do for the Lord.

4. Summary
The believer lives for himself. He is still selfish

Disciple lives for Christ. He is selfless.

Now, only those who have died to self, who live a selfless life, can experience victory over sin.

we have read that some disciples like Peter were found committing sin an Paul rebuked Peter for it.
Even Paul himself said he is not free of sin.

Does that mean that Peter was a mere believer and not a disciple?

Mcuzy:
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yinkajewole:
Why replying yourself?

because the thread is on NL