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cerpvad:
From your last lines, I can deduct that either you or your approaches are agnostic. If this is so, you neither have business with Christianity nor Christmas. However, what are your last words?We can't drag this argument till eternity

have you ever seen or heard an agnostic vehemently support Christmas or Christianity or Jesus Christ like you have seen in all my posts?

My regards to Daddy freeze.
Compliment of the season.

cerpvad:
If Christmas brings you happiness and yet it is INCONSEQUENTIAL to God

thank God you have understood it to this point

that means you have placed your happiness above God.

I never said so!
Did i tell you anything like that?
a child who is happy playing football with his friends at the field can never be said that he is placing his happiness at the field over his father who is watching TV at home, who is not interested in what the body is doing at the field because his playing football at the field is INCONSEQUENTIAL to him and the fact that the boy remains his child, so long the boy comes back home after enjoying his football.

What you are saying is that ' Mr. God, Bleep off, I dont care if celebrating Christmas pleases you,

nobody is talking about trying to please God here, you are just being afraid like a child who is not instructed by his father not to play football with his friends and he tells himself my father is going to flog me if i go out to play football, so he deprived himself of enjoying football with his friends.
When the father comes back he will ask him, did i stop you from going out to play football with your friends why are you punishing yourself for nothing?

so far I am happy doing it, I am good to go." So if you dont please God, who do you please? Yourself or the Devil?

I have told.
God don't intrude on people's will and force them to please him, he is not a clown like that.

Christmas has been celebrated only God knows when it started, God never one day come down to slap anyone for celebrating Christmas all that while, so why are you afraid?

cerpvad:
Look at the bolded. Don't you think you have just confirmed that Christmas is INCONSEQUENTIAL?

inconsequential to God. That means it is not important to God therefore it cannot be a worship to God and it's a mere Christian celebration that brings happiness to man.
That's why i asked you the question initially, do you watch television?, you say yes!
why?
Because watching television is entertaining, it brings happiness.
But your watching television is inconsequential to God: it is not important to God and can never be a worship to God.

cerpvad:
Everything starts in the spirit before physically manifesting. Worship is part of those things that starts in the spirit and manifest in physical bowing of heads, singing, dancing, pouring libations, giving offerings and so on. Every celebration starts in the spirit because spirit does rejoice. If your spirit rejoices during Christmas, then Christmas is a worship which starts in your spirit before manifesting in your lighting and beautifying everywhere and singing tunes in the mood of Christmas

worship should be directed to God who is spirit and not to your spirit, because sometimes your spirit fails you: it tells you to do a thing like worshipping God by sing in church or by celebrating Christmas meanwhile the thing your spirit is telling you to do is is a clear deviation from scriptures when it comes to worship that's why the bible is there to guide us
whatever your spirit chooses to do in this physical life(christmas celebration or any physical activity) does not matter in worship, God isn't interested because he is a spirit. You are only doing them for your physical justification and body satisfaction and also to please people when they see you doing those things.
what matter to God is what the holy spirit want you to do in worship and what he want you to do is clearly spelt in scriptures by saying WORSHIP ME IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.(Not in physical things like Christmas celebrations and any forum of rituals or sacrifices).

How do you worship God in spirit and in truth?
It is by believing in Christ for your salvation which you have already done.

That's why Jesus Christ stated it clearly : THE TIME IS NOW WHEN MEN WILL WORSHIP ME IN SPIRIT AND IN TRURH.
Meaning : the time of worshipping in spirit and in truth was the time Christianity commences on earth, when he died and resurrected.

So worshipping is not about physical things or physical celebrations it's about your believe in Christ that's all.

God don't need anything from you, just believe in Christ you have worshipped him like that.

SO, IF YOU HAVE THAT CHRIST IN YOU, EVERY OTHER THING YOU DO HERE ON THIS EARTH IS INCONSEQUENTIAL

cerpvad:
It seems like you don't know that worship implies everything you do in reverence of God or gods, and this includes celebrations, libations and so on

may be that was how old testament defined worship until the time Jesus was crucified.

Mark 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him(meaning :he ran and bow down before him)

Bowing or any form of physical activities are not worship anymore and Christians are still holding the kinda of bowing down worship till today even after Christ has been crucified and he is resurrected, how will they be free from religious activities and ordinances ?

But how does Jesus defined worship in spirit and in truth?

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

The hour refers to the time from his resurrection till this moment.
So, worship does not imply physical activities anymore.
God is a spirit.
Spirit can never accept physical activities as worship anymore.
what is spirit is spirit, and what is flesh is flesh(John3:6). we now worship in spirit.

Church activities of raising holy hands, singing and praying isn't worship talkless of Christmas which is a mere celebration, all these are physical activities

cerpvad:
Any worship that involves the use of symbols and statues is idolatry. Go to the book of Deutronomy and find out. Christmas involves use of symbols, grotesque lighting and pompous beautifications. So where did you read it that Yeoshua, in his lifetime and lifestyle on earth take relish in using fetish symbols, grotesque lighting and pompous beautifications? Isn't that enough for scriptural reference you requested?

christmas celebration isn't worship, It is just a celebration.

I don't know where you people are getting the idea that christmas is worship

macklef:
ur use of so many words doesnt mean u make sense, infact u dont make sense, i guess its all a figurative speech. Just have a lovely holiday i wish not to banta further. Caio!!

I never expected you to say it make sense what's my business with you? Afterall, in a classroom some few people will carry first while most people in the class will carry last it's natural about humans, some people are more intelligent than others.
On this thread alone i have over 160 likes in just one comment i make, I'm used to it it's nothing to me
Only that it shows some people will always read and understand my comment just like i read and understand others too.
So if you don't read my post and concluded i don't make sense, i have seen that before, you didn't start it

Bye

cerpvad:
The Christmas tree is a prove enough for idolatry embellishments that are characteristics of Christmas celebration. Google is there for you to carry out further studies.

what you are saying is not a proof that Christians worship Christmas tree instead of Jesus Christ during Christmas celebration.

Have you ever seen or heard that a Christian worship Christmas tree?
If you have any proof can you share it here?

cerpvad:
Don't turn logic on the head. Christmas is proven to have originated from idols worshipping.

you just said originated.
That means, what idol worshippers celebrated was never christmas but a celebration that has to with their idol worshipping, and Christmas is a celebration for Christians and not idol worshippers strictly to celebrate Christ.
And by the way, why should i now take what has happened in the past among unbelievers to determine my religious goals of being happy and celebrating this present time, am i that stupid?
The idol worshippers you are referring to here are all dead people, me I'm alive today deserved to be happy. I will now take what dead people who are not alive today did when they were alive some thousands of years ago to obstruct my happiness today is that not stupidity?

Is this not the same Daddy Freeze who condemned the Jewish tithing activities of thousands of years ago practiced today in churches and we were all happy he did so? why is he now using what has been done by unbelievers hundreds of years ago to contrast with Christian celebration of today?

You Christians don't know the power Christ has given you.
He died and gave you life only for you to compare and contrast yourself with dead people, what has dead people and their activities of thousands of years ago got to do with your present life?

I don't know how you people reason

Are you telling us that Christ would be approving a practice saturated in idolatry just because it makes people happy?

you have no prove that Christmas celebration is saturated with idolatry that's your assumption.

macklef:
christians has the right to fix for God n jesus.

Fix for God and Jesus?
You funny o!
Who told you Christmas is fixed for God and Jesus did you see God and Jesus celebrating Christmas with humans?

Christmas is fixed for humans who are Christians by Christians themselves just like Sunday is fixed by Christians set aside for humans to worship uniformly.
Sunday is not fixed for God, God owns everyday.
Who can fix a day for God, do you know who is God?

Christians do not just have the right they also have the power to do and not to do, so long whatever they want to do are lawful.

Christmas and Sunday worship have been there a very long time ago before we were born nothing couldn't stop these activities, is it you that was just given birth today who knows nothing about the origin of these activities that will stop it by talking with that your little voice?
You are just making noise for nothing Christmas has come to stay there is nothing you can do about it. If I were you i will channel all that energy you used to condemn Christmas for something profitable because you are busy chasing wild geese.

Same way they had the right to make a golden calf right?.

your argument does not follow.
Golden calf was made for idolatry but do you see any idol made by Christians during christmas celebration?

You must be a simple joke.

macklef:
So which FOS are u using n what is the underlying word.

these were the simple questions you should have asked before quoting someone and attacking the person fallaciously as if you are feeding him.

In that comment, i used Personification : using a human character to describe a non human object.
The idol was the object that performed the verb stealing so it was called a thief.

Do i need to explain all these?

See, you Nigerians don't have manner of approach at all, is this how you are grooming your children by jumping on people and attacking them when they say what is confusing you?

Go sleep jo

cerpvad:
TV is a communication technology in our generation just like the donkey was a transport technology during Yeoshua generation. If Yeoshua made use of the technology of his own generation by riding on a donkey, common sense and logic should tell you that he would have seen nothing wrong with TV if he were to live in our current generation.

let me reiterate what you have said but the other way round.
Christmas is a social celebration which brings happiness and unite a lot of people and also serves as a means to convert a lot of non Christians into christianity even in our generation. If Yeoshua in his generation was happy when other people were happy (John 2:2), common sense and logic should tell you that he would have seen nothing wrong with people happy celebrating his birth if there was time and any need to do that .
Remember, Jesus never had time for frivolities and celebrations as his main target was to embark on a journey with his disciples to as far as Jerusalem where he was to be crucified?
So, there was no time for jamboree!

Now, that he is crucified and he is resurrected and people are saying they want to jamboree, please let them do so until it proven otherwise that Christ himself is not happy with them and will come to disrupt their happiness, it's their right to be happy and celebrate.

macklef:
Idols stole the date. Like u dont know that idols dont talk,move or even move

bia!

were you not thought literature in English in your secondary?
So, you want to pretend that you don't know what figure of speeches are abi?
You don't know hyperbole, synonyms, metaphor or even simile yet you want follow Christians who are more intelligent with these things to talk abi?

Sorry for you

cerpvad:
Are you high on tramadol?

calm down, we are not fighting

Where did you read it that Free Nation members are not allowed to watch TV?

read the question i asked. I didn't say that Free nation members are not allowed to watch television. My question is, why are you people watching television?
Yeoshua never asked you people to be watching television did he?
why then are you people watching television?

cerpvad:
7. FREE NATION IN CHRIST
We at the Free Nation in Christ, founded by Daddy Freeze, do not celebrate Christmas. Yeoshua never asked us to celebrate his birthday.

deeper life at some point also thought their church members that Yeoshua never asked them to be watching television. why are you people at the free nation watching television?

macklef:
Im sorrry even if i celebrate christmas u really sound childish n stupid. Idols stole d date, God created 25th dec, he is taking it back..
Bro u should stop talking

idol stole the date is figurative statement which means any religion have the right to fix any date for their annual religious celebration, so Christians have the right to fix 25th December irrespective that the same date was set aside to celebrate idols.

Don't tell me you were that stupid not to think and understand this before commenting.

Idiot!

macbernard:
Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you!

God bless you and Merry Christmas!

merry Christmas and have a wonderful celebration

Littleman123:
I go curse you

na curse you call am now,
Nor be slap.

Slap is more effective, curse na rubbish

einsteine:
Just say you want to eat rice.

i have been eating rice from childhood, it's never nothing new to me

OpenYourEyes1:
JESUS did not ask us to observe Christmas. The New Testament church did not observe Christmas.

Always help and be with the poor. Don't have a special day to be charitable or observe charity.

you lied.
Christmas is all about Christ there is nothing pagan to it

It's already a lovely Christmas celebration with family members around. I wish you all a wonderful celebration

because Christmas is of idolatrous background

who created the day 25th December, is it idol or God?
If idols were celebrated 25th December are they not thieves like that and God is taking back his day he created?

Merry Christmas to even the idol worshippers Jo, let them accept Jesus.

This op na typical African bush man from the tribe of Zulu -lehi-za.

The mentality is like jesusjnr in another moniker

Woman were sell her 17 years old daughter to a 55 years old man na dem dey honor?

What a stupor tradition and society!

Sirjamo:
Despite this coming from UK, some people would still find a way to link it to a certain retired Major General. They would call it ' Islamisation agenda.'

look

czarina:
Seun! Remove this thing from my profile, abeg!!!!!

so you nor won join Islam by force?

Yes

Christmas is celebrated because mankind are naturally appreciative. They appreciate God for Jesus Christ and the salvation he brought to the world. When a man is born on a particular date and he ends up becoming benevolent, certainly It will be recorded that he was born on a particular date and that date will be celebrated as well, it's natural to humans.
This season, we are reflecting on the good things Christ did and thought humans to do when he was on earth and the revolutionary impact the things he thought have over time influenced peace among nations of the earth,
and most importantly we are celebrating eternal life on earth

it's now that you have started to argue properly.

That your first approach of calling someone dumb without saying why the person is dumb is fallacious.

BeLookingIDIOT:
By 2050 Islam will surpass you,and that will be probably it's second time and certainly the final time.According to your logic that should mean that their God is the true one.What of all the centuries christainity wasn't the largest and other religions where,does that mean it was false then
Have you also for once thought about how christainity became the largest religion(s),on what backs it made entry in North America or South America or Sub-saharan Africa or it's establishment in Europe.Without swords and guns your religion probably won't be existing or at best still a minority cult stuck in a sequestered region.

see! All what you are saying here does not have anything to do with the question.
The question is, what are the evidence of God's existence?
Answer : the evidence is Christianity. Meaning, if God truly do not exist, there will be nothing like Christianity or people worshipping God for approximately 2000 years now.
Why?
Because Jesus Christ predicted it in one of his parables that Christianity was going to be the largest religion. Whether Islam will end up becoming the largest or not it does not stop the fact that that prediction of Jesus came to pass.

Now tell me one human being you know who has lived in the past that has ever predicted something is going to be trendy far back in the past like 2000 years ago or even more, and that prediction is trending today.
Just one person!

Nostradamus?

BeLookingIDIOT:
"the fact that Christianity is the largest religion currently on earth is enough proof of God's existence"
This is one of the dumbest lines of reason I've been unfortunate to see.

look!
You can keep saying whatever you like but surely there are no premises to prove that what i said is dumb.

When the head of legistators picks the opinion of the majority in the house he is never dumb for doing that

jaephoenix:
I know exactly what you are talking about. For something that is supposed to be divinely inspired, the Bible is one of the most confusing books. Spawning thousands of denominations and creeds. Sometimes I wonder. My medical books which was written by a mortal is even more straightforward

you are right!the bible is most confusing book ever. It requires a lot of reasoning and thinking to understand it.

The bible can be understood just like the way you under your medical book, It requires a lot of logic

jaephoenix:
I was a christian. So what are their errors?

oh, that means you have read bible before?