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johnwell:
Can you kindly read with understanding? Have you seen that phrase in my write up?

ok,
That means you will not advice them to continue?

mrZENographer:
Yes
1 Cor 15: 52: In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump
..... the dead (in Christ) shall be raised incorruptible and we (alive) shall be changed

2 these 4: We that are alive shall not prevent them that are asleep (dead)...... and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive shall be caught up with them.

OK, let's use "1 cor 15" as an example for you to understand what I'm driving at.
The conclusion of that whole chapter when you read it from verse 35 down to the last verse 58 is that there is resurrection of the dead.
The chapter is trying to let us know that there is resurrection of the dead and not rapture.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

To answer this question, Paul explained it down to the last verse.
The question wasn't rapture, the question was is there resurrection of the dead?
Therefore that thing in 1 cor 15:52 is a parable and it interpretation explains resurrection of the dead, not rapture.

See also how Jesus Christ interprete one of his parables in Matthew 13:37-39

Most parables like these are like figure of speeches called Impersonification: That is, using terms like twinking of eye to mean death and resurrection : closing the eye is death and opening it again is resurrection.
Also, the last trump means the last moment of ones death which signifies a call using trumpet that it is time for the person to die.(still talking about resurrection of the dead).
And meet the lord in the air is also a parable which means to be in heaven.(the air or clouds signifies heaven)
In the real sense of that interpretation, the heaven that it is talking about is already here on this earth. The heaven is me and you, everyone believing in Christ.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

So, we have been translated into heaven already

MuttleyLaff:
paxonel, all you needed to have done was to look up DSA's track record. To have gone to research, check and/or look at a record of his past achievements, which would and/or could serve as a good and/or reliable indicator of the possible solutions DSA plans, has in mind for the country, and be a gauge for future performance.

OK, no wahalla.
I will research about the pastor

BOFREJO:
paxonel do you believe in the HolySpirit or another misconception.

no!
Holy spirit isn't a misconception.

I believe in the holy spirit which is the gift of righteousness.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

quaintbloke:
They believe life is in the blood and so it's wrong to receive or give blood.
I think its pertinent that we respect and tolerate each other's religious inclination and doctrines.
In the course of work, I have encountered some JW who needed blood transfusion, was no small event as I met a brick wall.
Long story short, I went back to read through blood transfusion topics on jw.org and I have been better enlightened.

they believe life is in the blood they are rejecting blood which contain life thereby rejecting life?
Any religion making their adherent to reject life at any point they need it is not worth practiced.

A man of God in a bus in Anambra was beaten to stupor because condom fell off from his Bible after preaching.
This happened yesterday in anambra state.
Some of the passengers maintained that he's being hypocritical and that he is among the reasons people have lost hopes and faiths in men of God in this country.
The onitsha man of God might not be aware of the condom in between the best Bible but the notion accrued from This is that he might be a fornicator yet carrying the Bible. Which is somewhat seen as hypocrisy.


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laclastilala, mynd44

Yes

Dtruthspeaker:
Rapture or no, what is important is that we shall be with Christ. And wherever He Chooses to keep us, so shall we be kept.

that is very true!

Also Malachi and Revelation tells us that this World Shall be Destroyed,

where is that in Malachi and revelation?

so I ask you, would it not be necessary to remove us from such destruction which shall certainly come as was done both in Noah's time and in Sodom/Gomorrah?

don't be scared!
There is no such thing as destruction of the earth the bible didn't say this earth is going to be destroyed.

God asked mankind to replenish and subdue the earth from the beginning only for God to now wake up one morning and destroy what he ask man to replenish, does that sound like what an intelligent God can do, does that make sense to you?

mrZENographer:
Before we can take this conversation further, pls answer what is Rapture by your own definition or understanding?

according to what i was thought from childhood in church, they say it is the catching up of saints in the sky or clouds on the last day.

Did you read and conclude the two chapters
1 Corinthians 15 and 1 these 4 ?

Did their conclusion suggest anything like that?

CAPSLOCKED:
YOU OMITTED THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION THAT PRAYERS WORK.

I know about that one too.
I'm trying not write too many things

mrZENographer:
I want to ask when did you become a Christian. It's obvious you don't know the scriptures.

actually, it's not about knowing scriptures.
I'm trying to solve a problem here which should be of concern to all who love Christ and Christianity

The word Rapture is just a terminology coined for the verses below
1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 these 4:18

and I'm saying the terminology and the concept behind it was wrongly coined.

Pick one of those scriptures, read the whole chapter from the beginning to end and draw your conclusion about the chapter, you will discover that the concept of rapture does not follow or go along with your conclusion or what the whole chapter is trying to explain.

Then, certainly something is wrong somewhere

Yes

This generation Christians, we are all victims of the misconceptions that are affecting our lives negatively created by ancient Christianity of the old catholic church and the orthodox Protestants who never saw the light of quality education in their time.
We can still correct some of these misconceptions and be free from them if we want to, All power has been given to us.

1.Rapture
it is not new that there are no scripture supporting the idea of rapture in the bible. Obviously, the idea of rapture was developed by the ancient catholic church who also postulated and thought people that the earth is flat and not spherical, a wrong doctrine that is formally debunked by Catholics themselves recently.
Those who have truly read the bible from back to back will attest to the fact that there is nothing like rapture, and rapture is the same "quick fixing" doctrine as that of the flat earth doctrine.
The truth is : By the spirit of God through Jesus Christ our Lord resurrection of the dead is on this earth restoring the eternal life Adam and Eve lost (1 Corinthians 15:21), therefore we belong to this earth and we will remain on this earth forever(Revelation 21:24) and we will replenish this earth as God commanded Adam and Eve to do(Genesis 1:28)

2. Born again
this is another huge contradictory beliefs of Christians today even though Jesus Christ himself has defined what he meant by born again to Nicodemus in
John 3:7-8. They ignore what Jesus was trying to tell Nicodemus and assume that born again is a real Christian who obeys Jesus commandments and there are other fake Christians who are sinner's(not mindful the fact that they too commit sin) that these Christians who commit sin all the time are not born again therefore they are not Christians, thereby causing division in the body of Christ.
But meanwhile scriptures assures that we are all one in Christ irrespective of who we are, and not in Islam or Judaism or in any other faith but in Christianity (Romans 12:5).


Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many(referring to all kind of people) shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

So, salvation is not only for few set of people calling themselves born again but for everyone who believe in Christ irrespective of who they are.

Atleast the man has also discovered what very few people have discovered, that there is huge problem with the fundamentals of Nigerian Christianity and he is saying it so that Nigerians should be careful with people they call pastors, but he himself does not know were to start from, to bring solutions.

what if the two partners end up discovering that they are horrible to themselves and decide to quit, will you advice them to continue for better for worst?

You mean, by mere shouting Hallelujah you have challenged God for some fortune?

Una do well!

NawtyC001:
Hello Nairalanders,I saw a post with this question on Facebook and after lot of argument, and mine anxious questions on the post,I got more confused.please I beg you to debate on this.
Below are the screen shots;

hell fire isn't fire burning people.
Hell fire refers to death. Death without resurrection.

Revelation 21:8 ... lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: meaning WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH

Blow hot??

Ahhh

bluefilm:
Goaaaallllll

Zahaaaaa!!!

What a wonderful strike!!!

That's what I'm talking about.

Who be Arse_anal!!

guy na blue film you dey watch, nor be ball

Rebranding is OK,
But does name really matter?

sweetonugbu:
What of those who lost theirs since 1900?.

they are all dead people by now. Meanwhile, those who didn't loose theirs are still enjoying their lives till today.

There is no such thing as spirit husband and wife not even in the bible, I don't know where Africans are getting the concept from

why calling someone who is not feeding you or knows how you are earning your income for survival daddy or mummy?

Actually, the project was meant for the government who was suppose to use tax payers money to initiate and complete the project so the church is collecting their money back. Anyway, Oyedepo did well by completing the project on time.

You be thief
I nor be thief
You be robber
I nor robber

Ok, you be armed robber
I nor be armed robber

argument.. argument argue argue

tpiar:
What about when you have an STD and are really itchy.

the same thing

You have masturbated.
Everyone is a sinner if that is the case

How do we define masturbation?
The moment you use your hand to rub your genitals consciously or unconsciously you have masturbated.

abeeee:
What you said does not answer anything I mean why won't I want to know or rather why won't

no one can possibly know everything, even a judge handling a case in a court of law does not know everything so he based his judgement on the possible evidence presented to him.

you .........i mean you make decisions in your life everyday......you get tempted as supposed being a Christian so are you seriously telling me you don't wonder....... Are you saying that you don't see the evils in this world or the persons who are supposed to rot in hell......dont you wonder about a possible avertion......i mean for a very powerful and perfect God.......why dont you wonder about his foreknowledge I mean........

oh! You mean he should his powers and perfection to avert evil?
I think that will negate his original plan of creating mankind which is, mankind should replenish the earth himself and not God using his supernatural powers to do so.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,....

......and concerning your it not being scriptural....... I will answer you soon because I am sure real stuanch Christians won't agree with you.........

ok

abeeee:
Does God know everything

how can anyone on earth knows if God knows everything is he God himself?
Until it specified in scriptures that God is all knowing no one can say he is all knowing.
Also, until it specified in scriptures that God does not know everything no one can say that God does not know everything.
So we are all blank in that aspect, no answers.

...... Our every definite decisions

even if God does not know our definite decisions, he always know the outcome of very step we take towards actualizing our decisions.
God is more like a father who knows that if a child jump from a height certainly he is going to get injured which is karma. But whether the child has decided to jump that is his own decision. He may know about the decision he may not know about it, whatever is the state of his knowledge, no one can probe and give answers. Infact we are not to probe what is on people's mind.
Can you read anyone's mind?

Did he know everything happening now will happen from the beginning

no one have answers to these questions.
All we know is, what is happening now is the outcome of what has happened in the beginning.

......... Okay when he was creating the angels did he know one was going to rebel

whether he knows or not no one can tell.
But we know that any angel can decide to be rebel that is his choice. So he gives the free will for his creations to decide for themselves.

Religion inspired madness everywhere.

Yaba left or Uselu right where una dey?