₦airaland Forum

cerpvad:
Any worship that involves the use of symbols and statues is idolatry. Go to the book of Deutronomy and find out. Christmas involves use of symbols, grotesque lighting and pompous beautifications. So where did you read it that Yeoshua, in his lifetime and lifestyle on earth take relish in using fetish symbols, grotesque lighting and pompous beautifications? Isn't that enough for scriptural reference you requested?

christmas celebration isn't worship, It is just a celebration.

I don't know where you people are getting the idea that christmas is worship

macklef:
ur use of so many words doesnt mean u make sense, infact u dont make sense, i guess its all a figurative speech. Just have a lovely holiday i wish not to banta further. Caio!!

I never expected you to say it make sense what's my business with you? Afterall, in a classroom some few people will carry first while most people in the class will carry last it's natural about humans, some people are more intelligent than others.
On this thread alone i have over 160 likes in just one comment i make, I'm used to it it's nothing to me
Only that it shows some people will always read and understand my comment just like i read and understand others too.
So if you don't read my post and concluded i don't make sense, i have seen that before, you didn't start it

Bye

cerpvad:
The Christmas tree is a prove enough for idolatry embellishments that are characteristics of Christmas celebration. Google is there for you to carry out further studies.

what you are saying is not a proof that Christians worship Christmas tree instead of Jesus Christ during Christmas celebration.

Have you ever seen or heard that a Christian worship Christmas tree?
If you have any proof can you share it here?

cerpvad:
Don't turn logic on the head. Christmas is proven to have originated from idols worshipping.

you just said originated.
That means, what idol worshippers celebrated was never christmas but a celebration that has to with their idol worshipping, and Christmas is a celebration for Christians and not idol worshippers strictly to celebrate Christ.
And by the way, why should i now take what has happened in the past among unbelievers to determine my religious goals of being happy and celebrating this present time, am i that stupid?
The idol worshippers you are referring to here are all dead people, me I'm alive today deserved to be happy. I will now take what dead people who are not alive today did when they were alive some thousands of years ago to obstruct my happiness today is that not stupidity?

Is this not the same Daddy Freeze who condemned the Jewish tithing activities of thousands of years ago practiced today in churches and we were all happy he did so? why is he now using what has been done by unbelievers hundreds of years ago to contrast with Christian celebration of today?

You Christians don't know the power Christ has given you.
He died and gave you life only for you to compare and contrast yourself with dead people, what has dead people and their activities of thousands of years ago got to do with your present life?

I don't know how you people reason

Are you telling us that Christ would be approving a practice saturated in idolatry just because it makes people happy?

you have no prove that Christmas celebration is saturated with idolatry that's your assumption.

macklef:
christians has the right to fix for God n jesus.

Fix for God and Jesus?
You funny o!
Who told you Christmas is fixed for God and Jesus did you see God and Jesus celebrating Christmas with humans?

Christmas is fixed for humans who are Christians by Christians themselves just like Sunday is fixed by Christians set aside for humans to worship uniformly.
Sunday is not fixed for God, God owns everyday.
Who can fix a day for God, do you know who is God?

Christians do not just have the right they also have the power to do and not to do, so long whatever they want to do are lawful.

Christmas and Sunday worship have been there a very long time ago before we were born nothing couldn't stop these activities, is it you that was just given birth today who knows nothing about the origin of these activities that will stop it by talking with that your little voice?
You are just making noise for nothing Christmas has come to stay there is nothing you can do about it. If I were you i will channel all that energy you used to condemn Christmas for something profitable because you are busy chasing wild geese.

Same way they had the right to make a golden calf right?.

your argument does not follow.
Golden calf was made for idolatry but do you see any idol made by Christians during christmas celebration?

You must be a simple joke.

macklef:
So which FOS are u using n what is the underlying word.

these were the simple questions you should have asked before quoting someone and attacking the person fallaciously as if you are feeding him.

In that comment, i used Personification : using a human character to describe a non human object.
The idol was the object that performed the verb stealing so it was called a thief.

Do i need to explain all these?

See, you Nigerians don't have manner of approach at all, is this how you are grooming your children by jumping on people and attacking them when they say what is confusing you?

Go sleep jo

cerpvad:
TV is a communication technology in our generation just like the donkey was a transport technology during Yeoshua generation. If Yeoshua made use of the technology of his own generation by riding on a donkey, common sense and logic should tell you that he would have seen nothing wrong with TV if he were to live in our current generation.

let me reiterate what you have said but the other way round.
Christmas is a social celebration which brings happiness and unite a lot of people and also serves as a means to convert a lot of non Christians into christianity even in our generation. If Yeoshua in his generation was happy when other people were happy (John 2:2), common sense and logic should tell you that he would have seen nothing wrong with people happy celebrating his birth if there was time and any need to do that .
Remember, Jesus never had time for frivolities and celebrations as his main target was to embark on a journey with his disciples to as far as Jerusalem where he was to be crucified?
So, there was no time for jamboree!

Now, that he is crucified and he is resurrected and people are saying they want to jamboree, please let them do so until it proven otherwise that Christ himself is not happy with them and will come to disrupt their happiness, it's their right to be happy and celebrate.

macklef:
Idols stole the date. Like u dont know that idols dont talk,move or even move

bia!

were you not thought literature in English in your secondary?
So, you want to pretend that you don't know what figure of speeches are abi?
You don't know hyperbole, synonyms, metaphor or even simile yet you want follow Christians who are more intelligent with these things to talk abi?

Sorry for you

cerpvad:
Are you high on tramadol?

calm down, we are not fighting

Where did you read it that Free Nation members are not allowed to watch TV?

read the question i asked. I didn't say that Free nation members are not allowed to watch television. My question is, why are you people watching television?
Yeoshua never asked you people to be watching television did he?
why then are you people watching television?

cerpvad:
7. FREE NATION IN CHRIST
We at the Free Nation in Christ, founded by Daddy Freeze, do not celebrate Christmas. Yeoshua never asked us to celebrate his birthday.

deeper life at some point also thought their church members that Yeoshua never asked them to be watching television. why are you people at the free nation watching television?

macklef:
Im sorrry even if i celebrate christmas u really sound childish n stupid. Idols stole d date, God created 25th dec, he is taking it back..
Bro u should stop talking

idol stole the date is figurative statement which means any religion have the right to fix any date for their annual religious celebration, so Christians have the right to fix 25th December irrespective that the same date was set aside to celebrate idols.

Don't tell me you were that stupid not to think and understand this before commenting.

Idiot!

macbernard:
Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you!

God bless you and Merry Christmas!

merry Christmas and have a wonderful celebration

Littleman123:
I go curse you

na curse you call am now,
Nor be slap.

Slap is more effective, curse na rubbish

einsteine:
Just say you want to eat rice.

i have been eating rice from childhood, it's never nothing new to me

OpenYourEyes1:
JESUS did not ask us to observe Christmas. The New Testament church did not observe Christmas.

Always help and be with the poor. Don't have a special day to be charitable or observe charity.

you lied.
Christmas is all about Christ there is nothing pagan to it

It's already a lovely Christmas celebration with family members around. I wish you all a wonderful celebration

because Christmas is of idolatrous background

who created the day 25th December, is it idol or God?
If idols were celebrated 25th December are they not thieves like that and God is taking back his day he created?

Merry Christmas to even the idol worshippers Jo, let them accept Jesus.

This op na typical African bush man from the tribe of Zulu -lehi-za.

The mentality is like jesusjnr in another moniker

Woman were sell her 17 years old daughter to a 55 years old man na dem dey honor?

What a stupor tradition and society!

Sirjamo:
Despite this coming from UK, some people would still find a way to link it to a certain retired Major General. They would call it ' Islamisation agenda.'

look

czarina:
Seun! Remove this thing from my profile, abeg!!!!!

so you nor won join Islam by force?

Yes

Christmas is celebrated because mankind are naturally appreciative. They appreciate God for Jesus Christ and the salvation he brought to the world. When a man is born on a particular date and he ends up becoming benevolent, certainly It will be recorded that he was born on a particular date and that date will be celebrated as well, it's natural to humans.
This season, we are reflecting on the good things Christ did and thought humans to do when he was on earth and the revolutionary impact the things he thought have over time influenced peace among nations of the earth,
and most importantly we are celebrating eternal life on earth

it's now that you have started to argue properly.

That your first approach of calling someone dumb without saying why the person is dumb is fallacious.

BeLookingIDIOT:
By 2050 Islam will surpass you,and that will be probably it's second time and certainly the final time.According to your logic that should mean that their God is the true one.What of all the centuries christainity wasn't the largest and other religions where,does that mean it was false then
Have you also for once thought about how christainity became the largest religion(s),on what backs it made entry in North America or South America or Sub-saharan Africa or it's establishment in Europe.Without swords and guns your religion probably won't be existing or at best still a minority cult stuck in a sequestered region.

see! All what you are saying here does not have anything to do with the question.
The question is, what are the evidence of God's existence?
Answer : the evidence is Christianity. Meaning, if God truly do not exist, there will be nothing like Christianity or people worshipping God for approximately 2000 years now.
Why?
Because Jesus Christ predicted it in one of his parables that Christianity was going to be the largest religion. Whether Islam will end up becoming the largest or not it does not stop the fact that that prediction of Jesus came to pass.

Now tell me one human being you know who has lived in the past that has ever predicted something is going to be trendy far back in the past like 2000 years ago or even more, and that prediction is trending today.
Just one person!

Nostradamus?

BeLookingIDIOT:
"the fact that Christianity is the largest religion currently on earth is enough proof of God's existence"
This is one of the dumbest lines of reason I've been unfortunate to see.

look!
You can keep saying whatever you like but surely there are no premises to prove that what i said is dumb.

When the head of legistators picks the opinion of the majority in the house he is never dumb for doing that

jaephoenix:
I know exactly what you are talking about. For something that is supposed to be divinely inspired, the Bible is one of the most confusing books. Spawning thousands of denominations and creeds. Sometimes I wonder. My medical books which was written by a mortal is even more straightforward

you are right!the bible is most confusing book ever. It requires a lot of reasoning and thinking to understand it.

The bible can be understood just like the way you under your medical book, It requires a lot of logic

jaephoenix:
I was a christian. So what are their errors?

oh, that means you have read bible before?

I'm hoping you will come and turn things around

jaephoenix:
What do u mean by 'errors in religion?'

you will need to be in a particular religion and study their holy book for you to detect and know their errors, otherwise there is no way another person can explain to you for you to understand.

jaephoenix:
You are right. That's why atheism is on the rise. The brainwashing is getting less effective

atheists are taking advantage of the errors of religion to thrive. But if theists are willing to correct those errors atheism will have little or no space to breath.

khia:
Of course it's possible, people have been lied to about the story of baby Jesus and his parents for over 2000 years. The story of the character baby Jesus is a re-creation of the Egyptian God that was created over 2000 years before the fairytale of white Jesus was made-up.

The story of the Egyptian God's birth is the exact same story of fake white baby Jesus. These are lies that people have been told over many centuries and they still believe.

1. The Messiah is Jesus.

2. Jesus is God.

3. Christmas is the birthday of the saviour of the world.

4. Jesus died on the cross.

5. Jesus resurrection.

6. Jesus died for our sins.

7. Santa Claus.

8. The Easter Bunny.

9. Mohammed.

10. Allah.

OK, do you have a story of the Egyptian gods that you know?
May be you should post a copy or link here to prove what you are saying that the story is exactly the same as that of Jesus birth.

zimbolaa:
lol, even though I know where you're headed bro, your teaching is misleading and poisonous to Christendom.

then you have to prove that it is

I agree with you that a Holy Ghost filled child of God cannot be possessed by an evil spirit, however, the truth is that not all Christians are Holy Ghost filled.

it seems you don't know who the holy ghost is and what he stands for. Do you think the holy ghost is any mans birth right? God is not a respecter of any man. On the contrary that not all christians are holy ghost filled:

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.(all of them, no exemption)

Remember these people receiving the holy ghost were regarded as unclean people by the Jews. God did not wait for any of them to repent of their uncleanliness. Infact, Peter did not finish what he was saying when the holy ghost fell on them, they all marvelled.

Now, think about that.

You forgot the fact that Christianity today is just a nomenclature unlike in the days of old when Christians were like Christ, filled with Holy Ghost and power.

that is not correct!
There is no difference between the Christianity of bible days and the Christianity of today, The only difference is time. Things have changed with time, but it is still the same Christianity, the same Jesus Christ in us, the same God.

Today, we have Christian prostitutes, robbers, thieves, murderers, fornicators, gays, necromancers etc. They all come to Church and receive communion.

the same kind of people were also Christians in those days, infact terrible were used by God. Even Peter himself was not even a good person.

The truth is that a good number of them don't do these things because they love doing them but because a force stronger than them is controlling them and as such, only deliverance until they're totally free is recommended.

the emboldened is the problem i have with Africans.
We just assume there is a force controlling people but that is not true.
We Africans are too primitive, superstitious and are afraid for nothing.

That is why when Jesus converted Mary Magdalene, he didn't just stop there but rather went on to cast out seven demons from her.

you are yet to prove that Mary Magdalene was a Christian as at the time Jesus casted demons away from her.

So, pastors who are in deliverance ministries are doing the right thing.

no they are not!
Let them go cast out demons from non Christians like Muslims and leave Christians alone then i will know they are doing the right thing

Other pastors envy them and talk rubbish because they don't have the power to cast out demons. I am not surprised though for even Christ was so attacked by Pharisees when they said he was casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub. Today, we no longer have Pharisees but fake Prophets who go about attacking men of God who are into deliverance ministries, misleading their members with wrong doctrines. As long as we continue to have Christians in our Churches who are not Holy Ghost filled, routine deliverance is necessary until the evil spirit possessing them gives way for the Holy Ghost to possess them. A Christian that is not Holy Ghost filled is a potential vessel for evil spirits any day anytime especially those ones who engage in evil communication with negative voices in their mind.

I tell you one truth. If we have just one pastor in Nigeria that is doing the right thing, no body will critize him.

Matthew 22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.(criticize him anymore).

This happen because Jesus was able to explain himself.

When you hear people continue criticizing a pastor without stopping somewhere it means there is something the pastor is doing that is not right, therefore he cannot explain himself.