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Ignorance is usually number one excuse

Ken4Christ:
Trying hard to defend lies at the expense of your soul. Deep within you know that you are lying.

it is done to you now that you have been deceived by religion all the while and you are heart broken.
you don't just claim that someone is dying, prove to them that they are lying

So, when Jesus narrated the events of the last days in Matthew 24, it was also a parable.

not all statements in Matthew 24 were parable, infact most of the statements were literally spoken.
When you come across a scripture that is a parable, you should be able to know that it is a parable because it contains elements of myths, characters that are not real that need to be interpreted

He predicted the destruction of Jerusalem which took place literally in AD 70.

can you please specify the exact scripture?

And you have been made to believe that all that Jesus taught or said was parable.

No, I didn't say all, don't generalise

Don't worry, demons will use you for parable after you die. I just wished I will be there to supervise your punishment.

this is statement of hatred now, you should know better

You see clear truth with clear illustrations of what will become of lost souls, you call it a parable.

like what,specify please?

You know the problem of most of you Christians who were suppose to represent Christ appropriately?
You say things without verification, that isn't good for you.
And when someone counter your claims you begin to wish bad things to happen to the person, it doesn't work that way.

Why not admit you are wrong and be the hero to rescue innocent souls from your evil cult.

see, point out exactly where I'm wrong and i will show you other proofs!

Scriptures are contextual, if i tell you that end time was the era where Jesus was crucified then, i have several scriptures to prove that and these scriptures complement one another, no lies.

If i tell that certain statements in the bible are parables. Look at those statements you will see elements of myths or unreal characters that need to be interpreted.

For instance, they will be tormented day and night with unquenchable fire.
Have you ever seen an unquenchable fire before?
The answer is no!
Therefore, unquenchable fire is not real phenomenon but it is used to depict something else that is real.

You are not a child here

Not all parables in the bible come with outright interpretation you should know that

Ken4Christ:
You too have been brainwashed. So, this thing call brainwashing is real that even if evidences proves otherwise, you will hold on to lies.

Answer this question, the wailing and gnashing of teeth that Jesus says those in hell is also parable?

did you read the part that Jesus asked his disciples if they had understood what he was saying to them and they said yes, they understood? Matthew 15:31

I doubt that the disciples understood what he was saying, because everything he said there were not spoken literally, they were parables..

It was after this resurrection that Jesus literally expanciated to his disciples all he was saying, that every events that preceded his crucixion were already spoken by Moses and all the prophets, then they began to recall and understood all these things he was saying in parables Matthew 24:27

the wailing and gnashing of teeth there literally implies that there will be separation in the last day or end time(that is, the time of Jesus crucixion. Act 2;17), some people will be separated to become Christians after Christ resurrection(remember, Jesus resurrection brought about Christianity today) while some will not be selected. Those that will not be selected will wail and gnash their teeth, it's as simple as that.

A fire that will never quench is also parable.

it is, my brother!
Revelation described it as Lake of fire.
To interprete what that Lake of fire is, it simply called it THE SECOND DEATH.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The parable term is lake of fire or hell fire.
It literal meaning is simply death or the second death

That means, the individual will never come back to life again, because Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning and death came, so did Christ died and brought back eternal life that was lost as a result of Adam and Eve's disobedience

They will be tormented day and night is also parable?

it is now!

Look at it again,

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

That torment is simply death in the real sense ,the second death.

I never believed that people could be so brainwashed that they can reason straight anymore.

you never thought that religion could brainwash you all these while?
Have you ever asked yourself why they say religion is the opium of the people, do you know the meaning of the word opium?

It also means heaven is not real. Heaven is a parable.

Heaven is simply people on earth in the real sense.
Believers!

Very soon, you will say that Jesus is a parable.

you had better create time, calm down and read your bible from Genesis to revelation and understand everything for yourself.
Leave religion.

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of concentrating on the obsolete style of threat used by the false religions claiming Christians what we all need to focus on is the WORKS of FAITH that leads to everlasting life and know how to avoid the WORKS of flesh that leads to destruction!
Whether permanent death or torment it's evildoers that will be punished not righteous so i can't just decipher why most people push this aside only to focus on the teachings of torment after death!

it's the evil nature of humans to see people tormented while they stand aside watching

Ken4Christ:
There are so many people who don't believe that hell is real even among professing believers and some religious sects. But it is real. The very teachings of our Lord Jesus affirms its reality. I want to use this opportunity to begin to unveil the teachings of our Lord Jesus on this subject.

Before I begin, I will like to mention different synonyms used for hell in the course of Christ teachings. They are;

1. Hell
2. Hell fire
3. Furnace of fire.
4. Fire.
5. Everlasting fire.
6. Fire that is not quenched.
7. Outer darkness.

They were all used figuratively like parables.
The literal meaning of these synonyms is death or grave.
Remember, Adam and Even sinned from the beginning and death came, that death is what Jesus meant by hell fire.
It's simply a state of not believing in Christ.
For the Jews who didn't believe but keep burning fire and sacrificing and salting animals to preserve it from decay all for attornment of their sins, that was the hell fire Jesus meant

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

It's a parable statement or figurative statement that applies to all religions who didn't believe in Christ including the Jews who had the old Abrahamic covenant

Nor be white garment shursh i dey see so?
Omo, dis guy don back slide to tumokpo

Dtruthspeaker:
Has anyone told you that you are mad? You are mad! "least in the kingdom.of heaven" even proves that he is in heaven.

no!
It's like you are saying the least person in a house is greater than someone else that is outside the house.

How do i know?

Literally, the kingdom represent the era of the beginning of the new covenant which begins after Jesus was crucified and resurrected.
Outside the the kingdom was the era of the old covenant which include the days of John the Baptist.

Right from the days of John the Baptist the kingdom of God suffered violence and the violent took the kingdom by force.

Rember, John the Baptist wasn't among the disciples that took the kingdom by force. He was killed before Jesus was crucified, that is before the era of the kingdom, so he couldn't possibly enter the kingdom

All these happened because he doubted that Jesus was the Christ at some point, if you follow the story

And you said he was s in hell. Meanwhile this passage made no thing about hell!

if you are not in the kingdom then you must be in hell, it's two sides of a coin.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

So you see, you don dey madt

"Don dey madt! hey
Don dey madt hey

You dey madt
You dey mad!." Sauce Kid song!

Dtruthspeaker:
we all know that it is not True.

It's true now!

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

That means, John did not see God's kingdom before he died, and the least among Jesus disciples who eventually saw God's kingdom was greater than John inspite that he was a great prophet

Dtruthspeaker:
Name one good person who went to hell.

John the Baptist

BusinessPlan22:
Your lot are the problem of a sane and godly society

Explain yourself

Maynman:
The laws of Nigeria are not based on prophet going up on a mountain .

no one said anything different

It’s so surprising how you are vigorously defending slavery.

really?
Where did i defend slavery or are you deliberately trying to misunderstand me the way you said i insulted Muhammed without any proof ?

Maynman:
These laws are found in the tanakh with the support of their deity.

just like the laws or constitutions of Nigeria are also supported by God, every country in the world have their own laws and God or any deity for that matter is not in the business to interfere.

If the laws are good then it's good for the country. If they are bad then it's bad for the country

Some slaves were gotten from war and they pay homage to this deity for giving them victory and war spoils.

the Jews who made these laws enforced them to do so, not God.

He also gave them over 600 commandments in that same tanakh yet he’s not interfering?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

He didn't give them these laws, Moses drafted these laws hence they were called laws of Moses

The laws Moses received directly from God were laws of love, they are six of them :

Thou shall not steal
Thou shall not lie
Thou shall not bear false witness
Honor your parents
etc

You were calling mohammed slave master, when ancient Israelites and their deity are the biggest slave masters.

being a slave master isn't an insult, it was a common thing for people to have slave in those days.

The question is : Did Muhammad had slaves?
You can answer that now

Maynman:
So their god that the “ancient Israelites” worship supported slavery

no, their God did not support slavery, slavery was their primitive life style enshrined into their laws you have just quoted and these laws were created by humans, not their God.

Their God only did not interfere with their laws because he gave them the freewill to decide for themselves what is right or what is wrong

but you are abusing mohammed?

where?

Maynman:
What century is this” ancient Israelites”?
Which god was this “ancient Israelites” worshipping?
Are modern day christian worshipping the same god that this “ancient Israelite” worshipped?

christians worship the same God, Muslims also claim to worship the same God but these are three separate religions, that is what matters

Maynman:
You know this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

i know that ancient Israelites also had slaves being that they were living in a primitive world practicing a religion that was relatively primitive to this modern day religions.

But how come Islam prophet Muhammad enslaved people according to the primitive order and a modern day Muslim does not?

Are Muslims practicing human equality than Mohammed their leader?
If so, who then should be leading, Mohammed or Muslims themselves?

Londonderry:
I never knew Mohammed had a slave

so, Muhammed was a slave master, he enslaved people?

I didn't know

Dtruthspeaker:
I told you then that Paul was a Lawyer and all of his letters are exactly as a lawyer's document requiring a lawyer to decode it for you.

Therefore, you missed the import of the same Romans 13:8 and 10 , I cited which clearly sums up this Law and Right Conduct aka righteousness debate stating

8 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another HATH FULFILLED THE LAW.

10 Love worketh no I'll to his neighbour: therefore, LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW"

And you know, Paul did not just only speak of the law but he also mentioned spirituality?

Kumuyi is gradually fulfilling his promise of bring down his church doctrines before leaving, God bless this man!

Dtruthspeaker:
We have battled this before.

The same Romans says having these things
"Let us walk honestly, (ROM 13:13), Render therefore to all their due" (13:7); be not conformed to this world: ...renew your mind." (12:2) and many other counsels of God Fullness are also approved.

very true!
I never doubted all that.

But may be, the aspect that you people failed to understand is rightly dividing the word of truth:

The truth is, heaven and faith falls into one category which is eternal life
godliness or works of the law, or being honest or any of the fruits of the spirit mentioned in Galatians 6, all falls into a different category different from faith or heaven.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Mark the word WITHOUT.
which means, faith has nothing to do with the laws of this world just like Jesus says my kingdom(which requires faith to attend) is not of this world

So when i hear people say you will not make heaven because you sin, who gave them the right to judge people like that, have they been to heaven before?,are they too not sinners?

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Dtruthspeaker:
In spite of

Psalm 1:7
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

2 Chronicles 19:2
king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore [is] wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

that's why i said i do not encourage ungodly acts. The old testament dispensation of chronicles and psalm still do apply in our today's physical life.
But for the spirit where heaven belongs, being ungodly does not apply, only faith do

Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh(the physical life), hath found?
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works(which includes being godly), he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

The conclusion of the whole matter presented in Romans chapter 4 is that :


Romans 4:21 And being fully persuaded(having faith) that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Romans 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Meaning, mere having faith is the godliness, no other godliness approved by God who is a spirit

gameova:
You are seriously brainwashed. You believed a lie.

have you ever read that book called bible before, what do you know about it?

gameova:
Imagine Nigeria without Christianity Or Knowledge Of Anybody Called Jesus still practicing Our traditional Religion without any Colonial Interference. Will we all (now Christians) have gone to hell when we died?

let's say we were lucky that Christianity was introduced. Otherwise we for continue to die like other animals are dying

I'm not encouring ungodly acts though, but doing ungodly things will not make you miss heaven either.

Let's take responsibility for our actions

The man's wife is obidient while he is disobedient, why will there not be quarrel?

Obi is our president, even the Agbados cassava knows

Anyway, who can prove that Tinubu isn't sick?

Can a well person unleash cash in bullion vans a day before a general election or can a well public figure have his daughter's age a controversy on Wikipedia simply because he want the world believe that he is 79 years old?

Does the woman in the picture below looks like 46 years old woman?

Dalnadoni:
You need a better reorentasion of the scriptures, i just hope you will be humble when you see the truth.

you don't have anything to say.
If not you would have quote one scripture to debunk what i have said rather than saying things on your own

phemmyfour:
The scripture wasn't written in English, go back and check the meaning of "last days" in the original language

if you depend on original Hebrew language or whatever language used by theologians you will never get the meaning.
The reason being that the meaning of terms in all languages are subjected to change over time. For instance, the Yoruba call dog "Aja' today, Aja may not necessarily be the term used for dog some 3000 to 4000 years ago but something else.

So what if the meaning presented in the original Hebrew text has been changed to what we are seeing today over time?

To this effect, it is always adviced that one should read the context of scriptures whatever language used and understand it. That's the only way you can grasp the actual meaning of each terms in relation to the context involved.

Another scripture put the meaning of last day this way :

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

That means prophet Joel in his time foresaw what will happen during the era of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ that the disciples were going to prophesy, see vision and interprete dreams.

If you depend on original Hebrew texts you will never see the meaning of last day this way, you will think last day is a day set aside for some final destruction of the world in the future which is not so

phemmyfour:
I ve told you guys several times, in order to avoid misrepresentation and misinterpretation of the scripture, you need at least two scriptures to validate your belief

ok

This was Paul addressing the Thessalonians about the same message Jesus gave his desciples in Mt 24.

Let's be careful in using one scripture to validate our beliefs.

1 Thessalonians 5 v 1-5

1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,

2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,”destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

and you think this scripture is saying the same thing as Matthew 24 ?

Incase you don't know, when scriptures use the terms last day, it isn't the same thing as the day of the Lord, let me explain the difference.

The signs of the last day to mentioned in Matthew 24 refers to the signs of the coming of Christ where he will be crucified. That happened 2000 years ago in the generation of the disciples of that time they saw him crucified.
Remember, Jesus added to them that, this generation shall not pass until everything he told is fulfilled, so the last day referring to the last of the old covenant and the beginning of a new covenant with Christ has been fulfilled.

But then another scripture is mentioning the day of the Lord like 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 you just quoted, it's talking about another thing entirely.
The day of the Lord is talking about the day we all will die.
Another scripture put it that it is appointed once for men to die, after that the judgement.

So, they day of the Lord will come like a thief implies that we don't know when we will die
But certainly we all will die someday.

while people are saying peace and safety, destruction will come upon them. That means people will certainly die.

But after that, life continues

Dalnadoni:
Bro you really need to adjust d way you reason dis stuff...

why?

First do you know who d bible is written down for? Is it 4 only for Jesus deciples then or for us living now?

look,be corrected, a single verse or a scripture isn't the whole bible.

The op was trying to make reference to Matthew 24: 6 which says And YE shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that YE be not troubled...

Matthew 24:6 isn't the whole bible.
Threat a particular scripture the way it was written, every scripture have their purpose

Let me just let you know all wat is in dat matthew 27 v 7&8 is wat we will see to knw dat we are in the last days.

you failed!
No last day for you don't be deceived.

Last day was for the disciples as Jesus explained to them i bible days, and that last day has pass, I will explain.

You see that question the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24:3 ?
They were referring to the death and resurrection of Jesus as the last day, that one don pass.
Everything Jesus explained to them in the whole Matthew 24 to the end of the chapter was what happened at that time Jesus was crucified, they were seeing it happening life