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Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 11:38pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
You mean the Torah? The Old Testament was gotten from Judaism. The Greek Christians copied the Torah to the Christian Bible. Hope you know Bible means collection of books? Where did the Christians get it from? Who collected and complied it?
They can’t have record of Jesus because Jesus is a product of Roman Catholic.
oya!

Post any statement from your religious book let's see grin
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 11:30pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Your statement makes zero sense
How will it possibly make sense when you have never read the book before?
Yet you are requesting a proof from a book you have never read in your entire life? grin
Where did Greek Jesus say anything about Christianity?
Did you know when the Greek Jesus was a Judaist?
yes, yes.. The thing don dey come out, tell me more grin grin
You assumed that the mustard seed means Christianity? Why not Judaism, where Christianity was extracted from
The Turah don't have any record of Jesus talkless of claiming any Jesus statements.

Now, where is your religious book?
Post a statement from it let's see grin
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 11:19pm On May 06, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
We have 4000 religions, have you read all their books?
certainly, one of these 4000 religious books should present a valid argument over the rest
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 11:12pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
Since you haven’t read other religious book then you have to remain neutral and not call Yahweh the most powerful until you have dedicated your time to read them.
OK, let's do this grin grin

In my religious book the bible, there was a statement Jesus made approximately 2000 years ago

Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Matthew 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.


Mustard seed(tiny seed) represent few people(just 120 people) practicing Christianity 2000 years ago. Today, that number has grown into a large tree( currently about 2.3 billion people practicing Christianity world-wide (Google it)

How did Jesus knew that this trend was going to happen?

Now, I have just present to you a statement that was made 2000 years ago that can be verified today that the trend happened after 2000 years
Show me something in your religious book as an atheist that you can verify using what is trendy today ?

I'm waiting grin
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 10:40pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
That means you are not listening to your advice.
This is what you said about your book now you are changing tone.
Hello, I did not change anything.
I still stand on what i said : if you have never read a book to know it content you have nothing categorically to say about it.
Don’t tell us to read your book
Then, you have nothing to say categorically about my religion whether spirit realm exist or not, you should be neutral.
You should present a sound argument and proof of your Yahweh outside your book as you’ve advised other religion to do also
I never advice others to proof anything outside their religious books
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 10:18pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
But you said this? Now they have to bring their argument, it’s no longer they should read to know content?
I don't Bash other people religious ideas and request for proofs of what they teach, I'll rather learn to read their holy books and extract the proof I'm looking for if what they teach bothers me that much.
How many other religious book have you read to know their content and see the proof
Firstly, I don't request for proof or enquire into any religious tenets or beliefs from any other religion, why then should i read their religious books?
I expect adherents of other religions do the same with me.
But if any adherent of other religion want to educate me about his religion, then he should present a sound argument.
and hope you were neutral?
ofcourse I'm always neutral
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 8:51pm On May 06, 2022
Maynman:
The same thing can be said about other religion books.
You can’t claim Yahweh is the most powerful when you are yet to read other religious books, you should remain neutral until you’ve read other religion books. Listen to your advice.
Are there valid arguments presented by these religious books?
Let them be published, they will be widely accepted so long the arguments are genuine.

One thing i know about the human mind, humans are always inquisitive towards knowing what is the truth especially in this modern generation where there is wisdom and understanding.
You present a sound argument, they listen to you and see the correlation of what you are saying with other truth they already know. That already is a proof that what you are telling them is the truth.

But if another person bring his argument and it is not sound enough, then they will settle for your own that is sound and correlated to reality and reject the other person

This explains why more people practice one religion while few people practice the other.
More people will practice a religion because more truth is found in it tenets
And less people will practice a religion because it tenets are far from reality
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 8:07pm On May 06, 2022
Hermes119:
how did you come about this knowledge
The bible
How about growing an amputated limb,the only thing science can provide is a prosthetic and that is still very much deficient
We have seen handicaps doing great things, greater than what a lot of wholesome people can do. So, being deficient has nothing to do with the physical state of the body, it is a problem of the mind.

You know, it's good that one is seeing himself or herself being whole in the body and healthy. But peradventure if anyone is handicapped by any circumstances, so long he is alive he has the responsibility to keep himself happy and be functional to the society doing things that will put value to himself. By so doing, his current situation wount be a problem that require a miracle.
You are a mere human like me and as far as I know you are not in the position to school me on whether a spirit exists or not or what a spirit is in the first place except when you prove so. I do not believe in spirits,period.
no,
I'm not the position to school you on your belief, I'm not even trying to convince you to believe in spirits grin

All I'm saying is, people like us that believe, have seen what you are yet to see, that's the difference.

It's like I choose to read a book and know it content.
You choose not read the book so you wouldn't possibly know it content, it's normal.
But by the time you hear me speak about the book and you ask, where is the proof of what i have just said? Then i will refer you to the book i read.
If after that you still choose not to read the book, that means you will still not possibly know that there is a proof until you have dedicate time to read it.
So, pending on anytime you choose to read your position about the book should remain neutral
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 4:27pm On May 06, 2022
Hermes119:
As humans in the physical realm are we affected by the spirit realm ?
no!

Except in a situation that requires the spirit to intervene. Such situations are not common in this present era because humans are knowledgeable enough to profound solutions to a lot of problems compared to the primitive times when the bible was documented.

So, we read in the bible that God intervened and heal someone infected with leprosy. That isn't necessary anymore today because, through advancements of medical science diseases like leprosy were largely eradicated in the human population.
I don't believe in the spirit realm
because you have not yet encounter anything in the spirit or anything from the spirit.

That's why you should remain neutral pending on whether you will encounter such thing or not
Christianity EtcRe: How God Can Fix Nigeria by paxonel(m): 11:22am On May 06, 2022
Hermes119:
Well what's the role of God then,what use is he
His role is to judge in the spirit realm and not in this physical existence because he is a spirit.

Now, do you ever perceive the spirit realm before, be sincere?
Christianity EtcRe: What Does It Really Mean To Be Born Again? by paxonel(m): 6:11pm On May 03, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
No. This is it:

When you're born again, you receive a fresh release of the life of God in you. That makes you different from everyone else. You become a peculiar generation. Now, that is to say, you receive new abilities which others do not have.

You have the ability to reject sin, and when you sin, you get really disturbed. Meanwhile others rejoice and even boast after sinning. Therein lies the difference.

The error of modern day Christianity about these things is that a born again Christian is immediately expected to start living a holy life like Jesus. But this isn't so. Even Peter and Barnabas still committed hypocrisy as narrated by Paul in Ephesians 1, even though they were firebrand apostles.

The truth is that there's a babyhood stage of falling and rising when you become born again. "As new born babes, desire the sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby." IPeter 2:2. So, just as a todler rises and falls as he learns to walk. The baby Christian falls many times as he walks with God, but "The righteous falleth seven times and riseth again.' The frequency of the falls reduce as he grows and matures in his walk with the Lord.

Even after being grown up in the things of God, the tendency to fall still exists as long as we continue to abide in this fleshly tabarnacle. Hebrews 12:1 says we should "...lay aside every weight and the sin which doth so easily beseth us."

There's also a marked difference between being a son of God, and being a submissive, obedient son of God. Everyone born again is a child of God, but not everyone born again is an obedient child of God. That's why Paul said:

"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1Cor. 9:27.

In Romans 8, he admonished born again Christians to walk after the spirit and not after the flesh.
are there Christians that are not born again, what's the difference?
Christianity EtcRe: Obasanjo Receives Kumuyi - More Photos by paxonel(m): 4:30pm On May 03, 2022
FeliciaOja:
I saw Kumuyi in Hellfire in my dream

i have had that type of dream twice

In the dream, he was been punished for corrupting and misusing the word of God to create man made doctines.

In hell, i was shown many many fake men of God.
Their main reason for being there was because they twisted the word of God to control the masses.
you just dey mistalk anyhow

Christianity EtcRe: Obasanjo Receives Kumuyi - More Photos by paxonel(m): 4:24pm On May 03, 2022
After, dem go quote am say do not be equally yoked with unbelievers and start to the judge the man for inside the shursh
Christianity EtcRe: What Does It Really Mean To Be Born Again? by paxonel(m): 4:02pm On May 03, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
That scripture I quoted in Luke 21:17 sums it all. "The kingdom of God is (not was, not will be), within you.
Absolutely true!
This is the gospel truth
The Kingdom of God is God's rulership and sovereignty over a man's life.
perfectly correct
Being baptized in water does not signify being born again. You can have water baptism without having the born again experience. "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature..." That renewal is the aftermath of a rebirth.
very true!
But the renewal does not implies that the renewed believer is different from anyone else simply because he is a new creature.

People like us we often pretend as if we don't know what Jesus meant by born again to Nicodemus whenever we hear people like you speak. All because the vast majority of Christians today had this preconceived notion that born again actually means being an extra-exceptional believer. So, we pretend as if we don't know and assume that when you say born again, you mean a believer.
But in the real sense we know that is not the case.
We know that no one on earth is exceptional no matter how had we try make people believe that we are.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Secondly, the Christian water baptism of today, is not the same water baptism with that of John the Baptist

Whenever you see Christians doing water baptism today, it is not a replication of what John the Baptist did in the bible
Christianity EtcRe: What Does It Really Mean To Be Born Again? by paxonel(m):
RoyalDiadems:
You're seriously in error. Luke 21:17 tells us where the Kingdom of God is.
I'm not asking you to judge immediately.
I expect you to go back and see to yourself whether what i have said is write or wrong and that will require you to read your bible all over again.
It is not hard to understand the Kingdom of God. It is the sovereignty of God in the life of a man, community or nation. When a person comes to a point where obedience to God is the ultimate in all he does. Jesus is Lord of all his activities. The Holy Spirit reigns supreme in his thoughts and actions, producing righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost, that's the kingdom of God Romans 14:17.
Very true!
But it goes beyond all these.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Simple !

The kingdom of God is to believe in Jesus Christ that's all.

John 3:16... whosever believeth should not perish but have everlasting life
To be born again is to be reawakened in your spirit to be reintroduced into the presence of God as it was in the beginning.
no!
You didn't quote any scripture in support of this because there is no such scripture.

What you have said is assumption from religion, not the bible.
We were made to believe certain things by religion yet we never bothered to ask questions, why am i believing these things?

Born again is what Jesus told Nicodemus

John 3:5 Jesus answered,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

It was like Jesus was quoting what was written down to the hearing of Nicodemus that a man must born of water first, before the kingdom .

To born of water(which is born again) was the ministry of John the Baptist and not of Jesus Christ. It was prophesied that John the Baptist will baptise with water first, before Jesus come to baptise with the holy spirit which is the kingdom.
So, born again is different from the kingdom.
Born again was only a means to convey believers into the kingdom while the crucifixion was the kingdom itself.
Born again terminated after Jesus was crucified, ofcourse John the baptise was killed before Jesus was crucified so he didn't even see the kingdom in his time.
that's why i said that thing called born again today is scam, it's not part of Christianity

Jesus told his disciples in Luke 13
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Mark the phrase AT THE GATE

What is the gate?
The gate is time when Jesus will be crucified, that is where the difference was made, the gate of the kingdom.

So, the disciples didn't enter the kingdom until he was crucified.
Christianity EtcRe: 8 Reasons Why I Don't Like Born-again Christians by paxonel(m): 1:06am On May 02, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
"READ" you say?
Well i read carefully, studied diligently, meditated thoroughly and prayed fervently {Proverbs 2:1-5} before arriving at that point.
So if you don't believe that there's anything called BORN AGAIN today then you need to reason with others instead of dismissing what God's son emphasized on. smiley
jw are hiding in disguise of what other religious bodies believes, in order to actualise themselves as born again abi?

Unknown to them, that very doctrine of the conventional church they took from, and disguise to be, is a already a scam grin

They gave to you an offer of second class citizens and you gladly and proudly identity yourselves with it.

Can you see why people will never take jw seriously?
Christianity EtcRe: 8 Reasons Why I Don't Like Born-again Christians by paxonel(m): 7:53pm On May 01, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Even though Jesus and his disciples were into pure worship fully and everyone can see the benefits of the self-sacrificing spirit of that group, Jewish critics continue to call everything "SCAM" John 7:45-49; Act 24:5

So you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion Sir! smiley
do you remember where the phrase born again was written in the bible?
It was with Nicodemus!

If you have read it before you will understand why i say your jw is a scam
Christianity EtcRe: What Does It Really Mean To Be Born Again? by paxonel(m): 7:46pm On May 01, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
Most times we have had many pastors and evangelists preach, urging us to become born again. What do they really mean, and why is it so important?

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself was the very first Person who introduced the concept to Nicodemus, a Pharisee in John Chapter 3.

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, Verily, I say unto you. Except a man be born again. he cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3:3.
do you know that if this was exam you will fail worefully?

Do you know Christ meant by the kingdom of God here?
The kingdom of God was simply a transition between the old covenant and the new covenant.
The kingdom of God started right from the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ which marked the beginning of the new covenant wherein Christianity was established on earth.
And Jesus told Nicodemus, except a man be born again he shall not see the kingdom of God you know what that implies?
it means except a man be born again he shall not see his death and resurrection, he shall not see Christianity, he shall not see the new covenant.
So, what does it mean to be born again in this context?
It means to follow Jesus Christ and be his disciple until he is crucified and resurrected. Meaning, being born again wasn't part Christianity or the new covenant or the kingdom but it was a requirement that lead to the kingdom of God.

Jesus further put it this way, the least person in the kingdom of God or Christianity is greater than John the Baptist who is greater than the old testament.
That John the Baptist era before Jesus was crucified is what Jesus meant by born again.
It has nothing to do with Christianity
It is an inferior era to Christianity era, though it was greater than the old testament era.

So, mind what you wish yourself, you are far greater than born again as a Christian today, that's why i say it is SCAM.
Christianity EtcRe: 8 Reasons Why I Don't Like Born-again Christians by paxonel(m): 7:14pm On May 01, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
BORN AGAIN is not a scam, we know them and we treat them well like we should do for Jesus {Matthew 25:31-46} they live with us but it's difficult to identify them so if not for the annual observance Jesus initiated between himself and them there's no way anyone can know them because they do everything normal humans do except these things:
They're not interested in earthly material possessions.
They're not involved in racial conflicts or politics.
They don't keep account of injuries inflicted on them by anyone no matter how badly it is.
They love everyone in their neighbourhood (including those criticizing them)
They love their fellow believers just as Jesus loves them.
They're the most humble of all humans on this planet.


It's because we worship with them that most people do call us "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" but in reality they are the real BROTHERS of CHRIST who have the name of their God and then name of the lamb written on their forehead {Revelations 14:1} we are just people of the nations holding onto their skirt saying "we will go with you people because we have heard that God is with you people" They are Jesus' real brothers the SPIRITUAL JEWS! Zechariah 8:23 smiley
S C A M !
Christianity EtcRe: Does The Bible In Support Of Polyandry? by paxonel(op): 7:08pm On May 01, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
He would say that it is a useful key until when such keys is used to trespass his territory, that's is when he shall complain that the key should be broken and his locked beheaded.
grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: 8 Reasons Why I Don't Like Born-again Christians by paxonel(m): 9:49am On May 01, 2022
There is nothing like born again, that thing na scam
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are The Dead Taken To Church For Prayers; Does God Forgive Sins After Death? by paxonel(m): 9:21am On May 01, 2022
Znation:
Good morning and happy new month nairalanders.

I will not be calling the name of any church, but why do some churches takes the deads to the church and pray for their sins to be forgiven before they are laid to rest?

Note, that most of this person are kept long in murtuary for months, and some even last up to years in the murtuary. But when it is time for their burial, they are first taken to the church for prayers. This prayer is mostly centered on asking God to forgive their sins and accep their souls into his kingdom (heaven).

My questions;

* Is taken dead bodies to the church good in the sight of God?

* Is the fate of the dead decided immidiately after death, or after they are burried?

* Can our sin be forgiven after death?
it is an indication that the person believed in Christ before he died, therefore he is saved
Christianity EtcRe: In Defense Of Tithing. by paxonel(m): 7:29am On May 01, 2022
Steep:
If you refuse to pay tithe after knowing it is good, it becomes a sin on you.
Is there any difference between tithing and giving?
Christianity EtcRe: Does The Bible In Support Of Polyandry? by paxonel(op): 7:18am On May 01, 2022
AntiChristian:
No one did it in the Bible as far as i know.

A woman with more than one husband at a time is a LovePeddler!

A key hole that is opened by many keys is a useless lock.
will you say a key that opens many locks is also a useless key or a master key?
Christianity EtcDoes The Bible In Support Of Polyandry? by paxonel(op): 6:00am On May 01, 2022
Polyandry is marriage of one woman to more than one husband.
For those men in support of polygamy, can you marry a woman that is already in marriage to another man?
Or does the bible also in support of a woman having several husbands if you think the bible support polygamy?

Just asking!
Christianity EtcRe: In Defense Of Tithing. by paxonel(m): 5:38am On May 01, 2022
CyberHustle:
Tithing is freewill practice. Stop calling it theft. Can I force you to pay it? Never. That's why you can oppose it openly. It is the beauty of Christianity. The choice of life or death.
Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

In that scripture, a curse is placed on the defaulters, and you say it is free will.

How then tithing is free-will??

Do you even know what it means for something to be free-will?
It means, you are free to choose the option of not paying without any harm or curse
Christianity EtcRe: In Defense Of Tithing. by paxonel(m): 11:32pm On Apr 30, 2022
Steep:
Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Tithe is not just a law but a principle, the law of tithe says pay 1/10 of your earning to the priest.
The principle of tithing is that we should not allow the work of God to suffer we should invest carnal things into the things of God.
Hence paying 1/10th is a principle, it is the minimum we give, the early Christians gave all they have to the apostles.

Which of the people complaining about tithe can give all they have? If they cannot give 1/10th (minimum) how can they give all?

Jesus never abolish giving and if the church agree on tithe, then it is signed in heaven.
Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Most people don't understand that the church have power, when the church agree on something, Jesus automatically agrees with it, and anyone against it is on his on her own. In as much as it is good, and honorable it is settled.
James has this to say,
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

For those against tithe, there is one question for you?
Is tithing a good thing or not?
Does it elevate the work of God or not?

If you know it is good and elevate the work of God and you are against it, according to James you have sinned.

Don't be decieved by God haters and christ rejecters, whatever a man sow that shall he also reap
T H I E F!!

O L E!!

Christianity EtcRe: Women Are Not Supposed To Exercise Spiritual Authority Over Men. by paxonel(m): 7:40am On Apr 24, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmm, well this is a sensitive one!

The title "FATHER" can be used in many ways so let's analyse it. Firstly a man who fathered a child, secondly one who always covers your back in times of need, thirdly one who teaches you so many things in life just like his own child.
Jesus said we shouldn't call anyone "our father" on earth {Matthew 23:9} but that doesn't mean we shouldn't call our biological father "FATHER"
So what exactly does he mean?
Well he's talking about seeing someone like the person who should define righteousness for you even though what he taught you won't yield positivity anywhere!
Such teachings only ends within the person's domain he won't take it anywhere further, so their righteousness is self they only use it to keep you under them, they won't teach it elsewhere since they know it's not going to work out anything positive in any society.

Such fathers only gather gullible followers and teach them their own righteousness so each of such fathers have formed their own religion and they're rivals to one another!

But real fathers will teach you God's word that is PRACTICALLY APPLICABLE everywhere so they will not relate as teachers with anyone who doesn't teach what they know is God's standard! smiley
so, will you say spiritual fathers have anything to do with the spirit realm or they are called spiritual fathers because they established churches.

What if a woman establish church, is she then not qualified to be called spiritual mother to any man who is a member of her church?
Christianity EtcRe: Women Are Not Supposed To Exercise Spiritual Authority Over Men. by paxonel(m): 8:26pm On Apr 23, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Authority is offices where one is superior to another, spirituality is where sacred service is carried out.
So women can lead as Presidents, Governors, Senators, Reps, Chairman of local government and in so many other PUBLIC offices where men are under her AUTHORITY but whatever has to do with sacred service (worship) women must remain silent and sit behind! smiley
ok,

Have you heard about the term spiritual father?
When i say Pastor Adeboye is my spiritual father what does that implies, that pastor Adeboye is the one in charge of my spirit?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Manchester United (3 - 1) On 23rd April 2022 by paxonel(m): 2:34pm On Apr 23, 2022
Kingsley1000:
This match go end 3:2

Christianity EtcRe: True Meaning Of First Fruit by paxonel(m): 7:12am On Apr 23, 2022
Onyiiobi7735:
Bringing your first fruits regularly before the presence of God,pleases God greatly and attracts His Abundant Blessings to you.It is an obligation of every true worshipper which shouldn't be neglected or taken for granted.
You are a thief
Christianity EtcRe: True Meaning Of First Fruit by paxonel(m): 7:10am On Apr 23, 2022
ysyowel:
Please let me clear the air
1. January salary/ income in not the real first fruit, its good but not scriptural, if the Lord is leading you to give your first income of the year please obey, anything other than that is not in written word
2. Any money � you give cheerfully is accepted, giving under compulsion don't attract blessings.
3. No scripture that say give money � as first fruit, it was farm produce and animals and lastly first born male child which you can redeem him.
4. If I didn't give money as first fruit am not cursed
5. First fruit teaches us to put God first in everything and putting God first is not all about money
6. True meaning of first fruit, in The resurrected Christ.

Remain bless
good summary

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