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Goshen360:
He's not a Christian but scammed the evangelicals

I have nothing to say

Golan007:
But they knew Trump was no christian.

Trump was no Christian?
I'm hearing that for the first time

The bitter lesson to Christians.
Don't be in support of any man because he is a Christian, if he is a good man that should be enough reason to support him whether he is Christian or not.

All of sudden this guy just keep quiet.

soundOsonic:
Dear poster.

You claimed that our faith has nothing to do with works.

i did not claim anything.
Infact

Romans 11:6 says And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So, what i said is scriptural, i didn't claim anything.

Yet the same bible says "for faith without works is dead"

does it mean it contradict Romans 11:6?
The answer is no!
Why?
Because faith without works is dead talks of the second dimension which has to do with this physical life while faith as the only requirement for salvation without works is the first dimension, which is grace.

You might say the faith you are talking about is the faith of salvation. But I tell you whatsoever justification a man receives it is by faith, the ticket and evident that faith exist is the work.

you are right!
That evidence is for man to see.
Men are always looking for evidence(physical dimension), it is not bad to request for evidence as a man.
But God who justifies don't need the evidence to justify whoever he want to justify(spirit dimension)

God talk about "obedience is better than sacrifice" can one obey God through faith only?

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Just speak the word that's all, you have obeyed God like that

No you can be moved to obey God in your heart, but I tell you, your obedience isn't perfected unless through work.

you are right!
It is the works that perfected(physical dimension)
But again!
There is a spirit dimension in perfection and that is perfection through grace

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Your faith as a Christian should bear fruit and such fruit can only be identified or it is only evident through works. Just like the fruit of the spirit.
The distinguishing factor between someone in the kingdom and some not in the kingdom is the fruit they bear.
Jesus said "By their fruits ye shall know them"
You can confidently boast you have salvation when you are on a fornication spree. Your works (fruit) betray your faith.
There are people who were once saved and left the fold, like demas, Judas Iscariot they are many but time will fail me to continue

if these people you mentioned were once saved then it was through their faith. They lost it the moment they left the faith not because they stopped being perfect.

The Doctrine of eternal security is the license to keep sinning, believing you are covered by grace.

no, that's wrong!
Infact, the doctrine of eternal security give better reasons why one should avoid sin,
It appeals to the conscience emphatically not just the wrath of the law. Romans 13:5
You know why?
Because it tells us that if we sin willfully, then there is no more grace. Hebrews 10:26.
That means like anyone else, we will face the consequences of our action when we sin willfully or even unknowingly here on this earth, (what is known as karma) so, ignorant is not an excuse .
Now, this falls into the physical dimension i have been mentioning and has nothing to do with the spirit dimension(eternal life in us)

I am afraid to tell you such license was stamped by the devil himself, in disguise it is a one way ticket to hell.
Thanks for reading if you actually read this

I have read and understood your submission.
Thanks!

The man is confused

It appears that certain scriptures of the bible contradicts and a lot of Christians have find it difficult to understand why the bible will say one thing and it appears a different view is said in another scripture pertaining to the same issue, this has caused many Christians to have divergent views thereby arguing among themselves what are the right scriptural positions.

For instance,

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

And another one says

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

The first scripture says Abraham was not justified by works but by faith
The second scripture says Abraham was justified by works not by faith
It appears that these two scriptures are in contradiction to one another but hear this:

There are two dimensions of the bible message and these two dimensions exist independently of each other, it's like two sides of a coin showing two different things, yet one coin.

The first dimension has to do with the spirit, remember God is a spirit.
The second dimension has to do with anything within the physical perception.
So, when Romans 4:2 concludes that Abraham was justified by faith not by works the justification thereof was strictly of the spirit dimension and has nothing to do with the physical dimension.
And when James 2:21 says Abraham was justified by works his justification thereof was strictly of physical dimension as works in that context refers to any good work where men sees and approve, not God. So, his works will never take him to heaven.

Why am i saying this?
A Christian once saved is forever saved except he deviate from the faith along the line of his life on earth because faith falls in the spiritual dimension.
This means that there is no amount of sin he commit that will make him loose his salvation because his faith has nothing to do with his works.
His faith is of the spirit dimension of his justification, the only thing that gives him eternal life.
His works(good or bad) is of the physical dimension of his justification into the approval or disapproval of men, not God.

It follows that :
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart... (it's talking about the spirit dimension because God is a spirit.)

Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.(it's talking about the physical dimension because your neighbour is a physical being)



John 18:36 Jesus answered My kingdom is not of this world... (it's talking about the spirit dimension because the kingdom of God is a gift of the spirit)

Revelation 11:15 ...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.(it's talking about the physical dimension which refers to believers on this earth.

All these are long talk, there is nothing like born again today.
We are saved by our faith through Christ.
Without faith it is impossible to please God

Dtruthspeaker:
Was there a thing like CBA- Community born again ? Being BA has always been personal but True very many fail at it.

But there are some who do well in having The Lord as their Father, though they are very very few, especially in these days.

you are right!
There are some of them who are doing well.

But most of them?...
Consider, this guy on a looted materials below.
He may also call himself born again, it is personal.

Gabrinoz:
I do not thinks is about education, I believe is more about reasoning. I know a lot of educated persons who still reason as the uneducated. They don't take time to process or analyze what they hear or see. The just believe everything they see or hear particularly from social media.

very true!
But the question is, what type of education do we want ?
Is it the type we acquire here in Nigeria schools?
May be the government should make a step further to upgrade the standard of our schools.
Currently, UI is the best we have based on the international webometric ranking. Yet, the same UI is 1321st position among schools in the world.
Then, you begin to ask yourself a question, where is then the school that we are going?

SunLight11:
Nigeria has alot of problems oO, sadly this one happens to be one of them

bringing solution to this education problem first, will go a long way to solve every other problems naturally.
That is what developed nations have done that is making them developed today

estirocky:
Nigerias problem is our mentality

very true

vanbonattel:
Are you saying we are in this mess because the prosident is an illiterate?

mmgbam!
Simple

We need an educated president

I said this in 2019 immediately after the presidential election

https://www.nairaland.com/5049880/battleline-btw-educated-non-educated#76176690

and I'm still saying it now without mimicking, because there are similarities between what is happening now to what happened in the 2019 presidential election, and that is hooliganism, intimidation and violence

This is not to stirr hatred towards non educated Nigerians in anyway, but to remind educated Nigerians that they should take responsibility rather than leaving the aim of affairs in the hands of non educated Nigerians (like buhari ruling Nigeria) and the only way to go about it is to keep soliciting for electronic voting system come 2023, where voters can even remain in their homes or elsewhere and cast their vote.s using their android phones, rather than going to a polling unit where balot boxes are snatched by hooligans characterized by all sort of violence and intimidations.

Yes intimations!
There was also 12 days of peaceful #EndSARS protest perfectly organized by educated Nigerians only for hoodlums and non educated Nigerians sponsored by politicians to come and intimate and hijack the process and cause mayhem even to the protesters, that is act of illiteracy.

Military shot at peaceful protesters at lekki toll gate is a clear act of intimidation perpetrated by sponsored illiterate Nigerians calling themselves soldiers.

All forms of violence, intimidation and distortion by hoodlums in the aftermath of the #EndSARS protest are acts of illiteracy.

Meanwhile in Abuja

Dtruthspeaker:
Any man who cheats has No Fear of God and is void of understanding.

Proverbs 1, 2, 4,5, 6,7,8 and 9 is his friend if he wants.

ok

Does the Grace of God have power to make a sinner stop sinning?
I have heard a lady saying i got married to a chronic womanizer husband hoping that he will change the moment he gives his life to Christ because there is power in the Grace of God that change lives.
But guess what?
Even after all the prayers of repentance by the man, he keeps finding himself cheating on his wife.
So i wonder, is there anything like the power of Grace changing people's lives without them knowing about it or them making deliberate effort to change?

Yes

Yeye dey smell for ya

#End... I nor know

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh man, why dost thou considereth thyself so important? Why doth thou over estimate thyself?

Did you not hear that though 1 chicken is sold for N3000, not One is Forgotten by the Lord?

Oh man, you are not even up to a drop of water from the bucket when it spilleth!

Before you Insult me, it is not I who Graded and Valued You so, it is The Lord Who Said it!

So therefore, estimate thyself, if thou are valuable if thou be a drop of water from a full bucket.

Quite a funny joke or something

Yo

There are no other creation of God that are more important to him than people.
When you look at the #EndSARS or #EndSWAT protest, our message to the government is simple. "We need a police reform "
That is an urgent need of the people. That not withstanding, reform of the education sector and consequently, a rebirth of a moral society for our unborn generation atleast, is our long term goal in this protest that may last till only God knows when.
Now, all these are people oriented.

We were all created in his image and likeness. Genesis 1: 27
It follows that, If we humans could go this far in order to attain people oriented governmental policies then God who has the same image will do more, infact he has done more.

Christ death and resurrection was strictly for people.
He set up his kingdom here on this earth when he died and resurrected(2000 years ago) and that kingdom is people.

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is RISEN UP..

please mark the phrase RISEN UP

Let me explain this :
You will recall in the preceding part of that scripture, that it was someone who asked Jesus the question " Are there few that will be saved? " Luke 13:23

In response to the question, Jesus told his disciples " strive to enter the gate" verse 24 (it was the disciples that Jesus told, not us today)

So, what was the gate?
The gate in the context of this scripture refers to time, it is a metaphor.
What is the time?
It was the time of establishment of the new covenant through the dead and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So, invariably, what Jesus was telling his disciples was that, they should hold unto their believe in him until he died and resurrected, that is the only way they could be saved.

Now, why will Jesus use a word like GATE to refer to his death and resurrection?
It's simple, the word Gate was appropriate for the entrance of the kingdom of God, therefore his death and resurrection which marked the commencement of the new covenant was metaphorically the Gate of God's kingdom here on earth. That kingdom represent people, about 120 of them in the book act. Act 1:15.
That was the origin of Christianity.

Now, I'm taking time to explain all these for those Christians who still think that one kingdom like a place will someday come down from above, or you will be raptured someday to meet one imaginary kingdom in the clouds, there is nothing like that.

Knowing that you don't have anywhere else to go but here, you have to fight for your right here.

You have to tell the oppressor, enough is enough, hence #EndSARS

You have to stand up for justice and equity

You have to join the revolution and protest against evil in your society.

And that evil, is our common enemy called ignorance which must be defeated at the long run.

MaxInDHouse:
The Israelites have been hearing about God's Kingdom (God's Government) promises right from the birth of that nation, God inspired Moses to pen down what his Kingdom will accomplish on earth, many other prophets were also inspired to pen down supporting prophecies about God's Kingdom. So when John the baptist appeared in the wilderness crying "the Kingdom of God is at hand" majority of the people troop out to meet John and he began baptizing them as a sign of their repentance towards God's laws that themselves and their forefathers have broken!
John told the religious leaders of his time that he is not the Christ, he later introduced Jesus to his followers and told them "that is the Christ"
Jesus during one of his public preaching said "the Kingdom of heaven is in your midst" Luke 17:21

But why would Jesus say such a thing when all the things God promised them about the kingdom is not yet seen? Well it's because Jesus the future King of that heavenly Kingdom and his Apostles who will become the foundation stones are standing there that very day! Revelation 21:14

So Jesus was right to have said the kingdom of heaven is in the midst of those faithless people, but that doesn't mean that their kingdom will be seated on earth, the seat of God's Kingdom is in heaven {Revelations 14:1} yet the rulership will be extended to the earth {Revelations 14:6} that's why Jesus taught us to pray saying "let your Kingdom come" {Matthew 6:10} God's heavenly government will soon extend it's works to the earth and then the earth will become a Paradise just as it was in Eden! Psalms 37:29

you are JW isn't it ?

Ihedinobi3:
Very well then. As I said before, I hope that you don't continue down this path of self-destruction.

1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
James 3:1 (NKJV)

1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Luke 17:1-2 (NIV)

Whatever your decision, I no longer accept you as a brother believer and I hold you as a false teacher until I see that you have stopped putting out wicked writings on this platform that cause fellow believers to stumble.

it's of no use, don't quote me again

Ihedinobi3:
For what it is worth, I'll remind you that I came for a serious conversation. You told me not to condemn you without hearing you out. I'm trying to hear you out. If you don't mean to be serious, then we can end the conversation, and I will move forward treating you as an unbeliever with no respect for the Bible. That is not a threat. I have already explained it to you.

There is no confusion about what a nation is. If you have any unorthodox ideas about the concept of nations, you may share them, but I will probably not treat them seriously.

mteeeeeew!

End of discussion

Ihedinobi3:
I don't believe that that is a serious question that is worth answering.

really?
;

Is it that it is now difficult to answer or what .

Ihedinobi3:
I don't think we are.

I just said that there is a difference between saying that there are Nigerians in Canada and that Nigeria as a nation is in Canada. Nigeria is neither part of Canada nor ruling over Canada. She only has citizens who are in Canada.

Likewise, the Kingdom of God is not part of this world and it is not currently ruling over this world. It only has citizens who are in this world. In fact, the biblical picture is that those citizens are part of an invasion, because God's Kingdom is attacking the kingdom of this world at this moment.

So, no, you and I are not saying the same thing at all.

how do you define the word nation?

Ihedinobi3:
The difference is the same as that between saying that there are Nigerians in Canada and saying that Nigeria as a nation is in Canada.

ehe!
we are saying the same thing now!

Nigeria can never be a nation in Canada if there are no Nigerians in Canada now.

Do you know what it means if i say I'm part of Canada?

Ihedinobi3:
Colossians 1:13 does not say that God's Kingdom is on earth. It says that those who believe have been made part of it while they are still on earth.

they are still on earth while they were made part of the kingdom and the statement God's kingdom is on earth, what's the difference seeing that both they being part of the kingdom, are on earth

Ihedinobi3:
Re: 1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ. Colossians 1:13

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
John 18:36 (NIV)

let's have a comprehensive study of just one aspect before i go further into the rest

John 18:36 Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world.
Colossians 1:13 says we(who are in this world) have been translated into God's kingdom.

To you these two scriptures are contradicting each other is that what you think?
If you think they are not contradicting each other explain why?
I want to know your stand on this.

Ihedinobi3:
I said that "there was a sign" means that the prophet was about to give us a metaphor. So, the text itself tells you when a metaphor is being used and when it is not. It is not a call left to the reader to make.

Excellent. I actually hate what you do when you come on here to talk about the Bible. That's why I responded. It's fine if you don't care. But I do hope that you don't continue down this path, so that the condemnation due to false teachers does not fall upon you.

Correcting you is what I have been doing, but offering correction does not mean that you will accept it, does it?

I understand the feeling that many people have against the wicked men and women who claim to be all sorts of spiritual authorities over the Church today but who have only been feeding believers with lies. I sympathize with that feeling, but there is only one way to deal with that problem in keeping with the Bible: by adhering to the Scriptures and listening to only qualified pastor-teachers, not by making stuff up on our own. That is where I have an ax to grind with you.

What you are saying here is terribly wrong. The Bible's teaching of eschatology is admittedly highly complex. It's not easy at all to make sense of. In fact, I consider eschatology the most advanced doctrine of the Bible, since it requires knowledge of absolutely everything else that the Bible teaches. So, I understand when people get some things wrong in it. But making mistakes is one thing, and willfully manhandling Scriptures is another. The latter is something I hate very much. I can work with anyone who has theories and wants to see how good they are by debating them, but I can't stand people who make things up and insist that they have some right to do so.

As I said before, no one dictates to the Bible what it means. When it uses metaphors, it tells you that it is using metaphors. Otherwise, you would be wise to accept everything that it says as being literal. That is where you and I can begin to walk together. If you disagree with this, there is really nothing more to say.

ok, let's be practical here without any bias of affiliation to our personal doctrines and sentiments :
Can you point out what i said concerning eschatology that is wrong?

These are my points and everything are backed up with scriptures : if there is anyone you feel that I miss quoted the scripture bring that one out and explain to me why I'm wrong.


1. We are already in God's kingdom on earth through the resurrection of Christ.
Colossians 1:13
2. This world has become the kingdom of Christ Revelation 11:15
and will last forever. Genesis 8:22
3. Judgement is immediately after we die. Hebrews 9:27
4. There is instant resurrection of Christians immediately after their death 1 Corinthians 15:35-57

Let me stop here

I just want you to pick one of these points and prove to me that either these points are not scriptural or i misquote scriptures to formulate them.

Or if there is anything i have said that is not among these points above that you feel that I misquoted scriptures bring it.

But let it be just one point so that we will focus on it.
Because the truth is you misunderstood me.
And i do not feel any obligation to explain myself to you but if you are really sincere to know what i have been saying then i think it is appropriate to ask questions first before condemning me

shadeyinka:
I think the scripture is clear about this even though we may not fully comprehend the full import of it.

There are nations of those who had been saved.
It is understandable if those nations have leaders/heads (kings).

let me bring that part of the scripture again

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

This tells us that the nations of them which are saved are different people from these kings of the earth who bring their glory.
We agreed that the nations of them which are saved were saved from the old earth. But these kings, where do they come from?
Because certainly, they are not among the nations that were saved from the old earth and couldn't possibly come from the old earth, where then do they come from?

Is it that as the new earth was created these kings were created into it as well?