₦airaland Forum

LegendHero:
INEC of 2000-2007 were the worst thing to befall this nation.

There is even one election that INEC failed to provide official results and there are some instances where we would have seen the result of the whole election in a particular constituency even before voting ends.

Obasanjo supervised the most corrupt INEC.

There’s even more…

LP deceived INEC and you guys by giving you the impression that they do not have agents in some places which made INEC think they can do rubbish and get away with it.

Or INEC thought Labour Party was going to depend on them to get the documents they would use to prosecute their case.

I’m sure they did not prepare for this ambush.

By the time Obi is done in court, the judges will have no choice than to tell Tinubu that their hands are tied.

Just for clarity, LP presented Form EC8A for the Local Governments you are seeing mentioned here.

LegendHero:
INEC of 2000-2007 were the worst thing to befall this nation.

There is even one election that INEC failed to provide official results and there are some instances where we would have seen the result of the whole election in a particular constituency even before voting ends.

Obasanjo supervised the most corrupt INEC.

What is the difference between those elections and the one INEC organized this year?

I know you guys said IREV is useless, but how can INEC explain the discrepancies between what they announced in Rivers and what is on the IREV for Rivers?

Well, the good news is that Obi is not in court to joke. Today, his lawyers presented evidence from 6 states and I’m sure they are presenting more tomorrow.

At the Presidential Election Petition Court today, counsels to Peter Obi and Labour Party told the court they were going to present the INEC certified Forms EC8A for 18 States as evidence before the court.

However, due to time constraint, Labour Party and Obi counsels were able to present the forms EC8A from 6 States of Rivers, Benue, Niger, Cross River, Osun and Ekiti.

What caught people’s attention, however, was that INEC was objecting to the presentation of these documents that are their own original documents. Some people wondered if they were surprised that LP could come up with such magnitude of evidence in court.

But a Twitter user Mikael C Bernard, set out to tell those surprised at INEC action, not to be surprised as INEC denied the election it conducted by itself in Anambra in 2003.

To support this claim, he posted some portion of a classified information provided to the US Government by the then US Consul General in Nigeria, Brian Browne.

In the document, Brian Browne expressed surprised that the electoral body who had pleaded before the Election Petition Tribunal in Anambra that they had conducted a free, fair and valid election in the 2003 governorship election in Anambra, went to the Appeal Court in Anambra, after they had lost at the Tribunal, and stated before the Appeal Court that they did not hold election in 90 precincts of 213 precincts of the state.

Of course, the Appeal Court disagreed with their inconsistent responses and went ahead to agree with the Tribunal and declared Obi the validly elected governor from that election but it exposed the extent to which an agency who supposed to be a neutral and unbiased umpire can go to do the hatchet job of those in power.

It was alleged then that Chris Uba, who was close to the then president Olusegun Obasanjo was the strongman behind Ngige and who was getting INEC to deny their own election; election they had declared free, fair and valid.

20 years later, and same agency and same man have found themselves in similar situation and in similar terrain. Will Obi be twice lucky? We will wait and see.

Nlfpmod
Mynd44

Melezenawii:
Drama in court as judges order Peter Obi’s legal team to go home

The order was due to the poor scheduling of documents being sought to be tendered by the petitioners.

While the legal team appeared not organized, the five-man panel of justices said that Obi’s lawyers underrated the magnitude of the task before them.

https://ait.live/drama-in-court-as-judges-order-peter-obis-legal-team-to-go-home/

Seun
Nlfpmod
Mynd44
Mukina2

Rule 8: posting fake news on Nairaland.

There was no time the panel of justices at the Tribunal asked Obi’s lawyers to go home.

What happened was that Obi and LP’s lawyers were asked to type out the names of states and LGAs they intended to lay in court as evidence to enable the court follow easily with their presentation of evidence as against the judges struggling to write out the names of the LGAs themselves. That’s why the judges gave LP 10 minutes to do that.

There was never a time “go home” came into the conversation.

This character is posting fake news and false information on Nairaland and deliberately misleading the public.

Afamed:
The ones with electoral values do not make noise , but the one with less than 4% electoral value would be the one making noise here and there on social media

Apart from Atiku, which politician in PDP can come even 1000 miles close to Obi’s popularity?

fergie001:
I am not here to judge him whether what he did was right or wrong but Obi cannot win the PDP Primary if it is conducted today.

4 years is a long time in politics but it's looking less likely every day!

I’m surprised you still think Atiku will still have a chance at the PDP ticket at 81.

Meanwhile, I agree with you that Obi getting PDP ticket in 2027 will be suicidal as a lot of PDP stakeholders are harboring a lot of ill feelings towards him for contesting the 2023 elections against Atiku which they believe denied Atiku victory.

What I see happening however, is that some refined northerners in PDP who share Obi’s ideology might end up switching to Labour Party or working for Obi while in PDP having found out that Obi is a bigger force than they had reckoned him.

One way or the other, I just see LP working with some northern elements of PDP, and even Southern elements too, to have a go at the presidency again. Because as far as Obi remains in Labour Party, LP has more chance at the presidency than the PDP.

This is my practical analysis of realities on ground devoid of any sentiments informed by my support for Obi.

easzypeaszy:
Faleke is also North Central and Tinubu wl gv him 100X to Lalong
Watch his acceptance speech he praised Faleke personally

Tinubu President - Yoruba

Gbajabiamila, Chief of Staff - Yoruba

Faleke, SGF - Yoruba

Does Tinubu want to run a Yoruba govt?

TheBillyonaire:
initial gragra

I can assure you that this his initial gragra has achieved more than Dapo Abiodun achieved in entire four years.

Thank you, don’t mention.

“2023 Chelsea squad, one of the best Chelsea squad of all time” - Lampard 😏

Ndi ala

chidiokay:
The 3 main candidate agree subsidy must go, for over 13yrs we have being on these issue of subsidy must go ... why acting as tho its a sudden move.

Your response as shown you are naive and don't even know the basis ... it pointless continuing these conversation.

Poor tactics at escaping from logical intercourse with me. I get it. And I excuse u. Not everyone is equipped with the logical acumen to engage me without running away.

Look at saying I don’t understand the basis of subsidy.

Why not point out the basis I don’t understand.🙄

chidiokay:
You really need to take a break, i can understand you believe in Peter obi, campaigned and voted for him BUT you see what you are doing now mades no sense

The true test of a man are his actions or record atleast not words, anybody can wake up and say they we turn earth to heaven ... until you do it remains a delusion.

Peter Obi can't make a supplementary budget all becos of a re-current expenditure that that has no provision in the main budget ... how about you educate yourself on what triggers the need for supplementary budget
50% subsidy is counter productive becos marketers will still cashing out and we will still be borrowing ... that is still a burden.

Nigeria economy is on the verge of dying... survival 1st, today Nndpr have offered to issue license to private firms that want to import fuel and already we know Dangote refinery is lined up to meet Nigeria total demand in a day.
A supplementary budget will need senate approval, i.e Peter obi will have to wait for the 11th senate to settle and grant consent, we know how long these things take ... oga scramble these your 50% talk ko add up .. naa ignorance just dey worry you

Subsidy payment did not collapse Nigeria in almost 50 years, then suddenly, if subsidy is paid an hour more then Nigeria will collapse?

Make no mistake, I’m not in support of subsidy retention, I just have issues with how the removal process is being implemented.

And about the budget, supplementary budgeting can be made whether it’s for recurrent expenditure or for capital expenditure.

And talking about waiting for the 10th Senate, not 11th Senate, we are talking about people that will be inaugurated on the 13th of June. Already there’s budgetary provision for subsidy until the end of June. The supplementary budget can be prepared while waiting for their inauguration and sent to them immediately they are inaugurated.

So, what point are you making about me not understanding budget process?

chidiokay:
Shebi if that is if Nigeria even has the money to subsidy 50%, most of you don't even know what happening at all ... una own no pass e Lu pee 75 mediocre for social media

Nigeria use over 90% of its revenue to service loan, NNPC is not remitting one kobo and we are literally borrowing to pay subsidy to bunch thieves claiming Nigerians consume 60million barrels .. which is a big fat lie

Buhari administration ensures the 2023 budget has no provision for subsidy beyond june ... So where will Peter Obi steal 50% from to subsidy PMS for Nigeria.

Its either we keep up with subsidy or remove it completely .. partial or 50% will be counter productive on the long run.
its not gonna be easy but if our leaders are sincere we all go smile sooner than we thought

Where will Peter Obi see 50% to pay subsidy?

Have you ever heard of supplementary budget?

And hey, Obi did not say he would not remove Subsidy 100% in the long run. What he was trying to say is that the removal has to be systematic to mitigate against the harsh effects that would come with the removal.

Government first needed to remove about 50% to free up funds for itself. Then issue licenses to private companies to import fuel while supporting both modular and big refineries to come up on stream to make for local sufficiency of the product at which time the government can then remove the remaining 50%.

And I assure you, things wouldn’t have been as chaotic as they are now.

HacheNoire:
You cannot twist English.

The sentence after the word “IMMEDIATELY” nailed the coffin.


We cannot say Peter does not command good use of English, so he definitely knows what he was talking about

I am not twisting grammar, I am stating facts.

If you want to interpret the tweet literally as you lots are doing, then we can as well take it to mean that had Obi been declared elected by INEC, he would have “immediately” removed subsidy since he said “if I’m elected” and not “when I’m sworn in”.

seanfer:
Attached is a tweet from Obi 2 months after he made the one you posted. Before you try to sell half truth to people.

If I say, you will see the money NOW, does it mean you are seeing it now in the literal sense of the word?

buhariguy:
NLC and all nigerians were aware when buhari remove subsidy since last year,
NLC welcome the idea,
The only solution is to allow everyone to import
anywhere and sell any price, free market system, to make the product available

We are not talking about the agreement NLC had with Buhari or whoever. We are talking about the budget you made allusion to.

The president can decide to pay 100% subsidy until December of 2023. All he needs to do is draw up a supplementary budget and send to the National Assembly for approval.

So, you were wrong to suggest that Obi’s assertion that he would pay 50% subsidy is an impossibility.

HacheNoire:
Peter is not trustworthy.

He is not a man of his worlds and very cunning

It’s glaring he is trying to make a U-turn from his earlier statement.

I congratulate all Nigerians for not falling for this fraud.

We booked appointment that I will come to see you at your place at 5pm, it’s 5:30pm and you haven’t seen me.

Then you pick up your phone and call me. “O boy! Where are you na?” And I reply you and say, “No vex, I don reach your junction, you go see me “NOW”.

Does that mean that you are going to see me NOW in the literal sense that the word is used?

Because what you lots have held unto is Obi’s use of the word immediately, and trying to insist that he meant it in its most literal sense. But we all know that by saying immediately does not really mean he would have stood at the podium on Inauguration Day and shout “subsidy is gone” and throw the nation into chaos like we currently have.

buhariguy:
The 50% that is not in the budget.
Abeg rest

Are budgets cast in stones?

Have you ever heard of supplementary budgets?

easzypeaszy:
So just bc an Hausa man shared dis now ur head no correct again.
Hausa dat can spread fake news like fire.
So u left Faleke and made Lalong SGF... Just dey wine ursef n the Hausa guy

Lalong is SGF.

That’s why North Central didn’t get any presiding position zoned to them in the National Assembly. These things are simple to understand for anyone with brains.

Since the inaugural speech of President Tinubu where he declared that “subsidy is gone”, Nigeria has been thrown into a frenzy and Nigerians subjected to untold hardship that they didn’t envisage would hit them in the very first day of a new administration.

While everyone, including myself, agrees that subsidy needs to go, how it is removed and what comes after the removal has been the bone of contention.

In defense of the president, his supporters has been bandying about the narrative that all three major presidential candidates of Atiku, Obi and Tinubu promised to remove the unsustainable fuel subsidy, and that one of the president’s opponents, Peter Obi, promised to do it “immediately”. But that’s a false narrative.

In a tweet he made on 15th November, 2022, the Labour Party Presidential candidate in the 2023 presidential election, Peter Obi, outlined the step by step breakdown of how he was going to go about subsidy removal.

He stated that he would first remove 50% of what government pays in subsidy while investing in schemes to cushion the effect of the action. Again he talked about issuing licenses to modular refineries to ensure local refining of petroleum products which would be priced in Naira and not dollars.

If I’m allowed to extrapolate, I would guess that Obi intended that when local sufficiency has been achieved, then government would then withdraw the remaining 50% that it would retain in subsidy payment.

So, you see that the people likening the action of the president to what Obi had also intended to do are not being sincere as their is a world of difference between how Obi intended to go about subsidy removal and how the president is currently going about it.

Nlfpmod
Mynd44

seunmsg:
You joking right? 🤣🤣🤣

Seriously, this thread would have made a lot of “sense” if it was opened by characters like Racoon and Penguin2. Seeing you open a thread like this and still trying to defend whatever point it is you’re trying to make is troubling. You’re trying to tell us black is white when everybody can see clearly that it is black. Your argument is against common sense and it’s troubling.

Maybe some of us overrated you. Maybe you’re allowing your emotional support for Peter Obi becloud your pragmatic reasoning. Maybe you’re just really not different from characters like Racoon etc. Whatever it is, get a grip and stop this embarrassing argument. Delete this thread or move it to jokes section.

Don’t make blind arguments.

And so sick of you to suggest that my positions are informed by emotions and not reason.

Obi gave a breakdown of the processes he would take to remove subsidy. He didn’t say it was going to be a knee jerk approach like your lord and savior just did.

Your lord and saviour copied the idea without asking questions about the intricacies of the idea.

Cc: Obinoscopy

All the Igbo man has ever asked for is for a level playing ground for all people.

He doesn’t want you to favour him.

He’s just asking you not to put him at a disadvantage.

But all Nigeria has done since 1970 is put a lid over the progress of the Igbo man.

But every time the Igbo man finds himself in a society that allows for a level playing field, the Igbo man has always excelled beyond his peers. And that’s why small minds start to jealous them.

Igbo Amaka, bro!

baralatie:
Amelio wetin😂😂😂
His last election vote score is 9 million(that is how bad it is)
You now add price increase that would trigger strikes,anti government sentiments,inflation as amelioration 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Is amelioration a new buzzword🚴🚴🚴🚴🚴🚴

It’s too early to say what cushion effect Tinubu will be introducing.

You never can tell if Nigerians will start singing his praises after one year.

baralatie:
And you think the current president is not concerned about his own government chances🤧🤧🤧🤧

He does.

But the strategy is that whatever the effect of subsidy removal is, it must have been ameliorated in four years time.

You won’t compare it to the effect it would have had between January and February.

Isokiscool:
Hahah.You mean Obi will defeat Tinubu by 2027D small Elupee house of reps member from asaba is already making moves to return to PDP even before inauguration

Goodluck to him.

garfield1:
The plateau guy massively rigged his lga

I don’t expect anything different from someone who calls good, evil and evil, good.😏

Iriruaga100:
Very weak idiot! We should have move passed this stage long time ago. The same people who where in support of subsidy are now against it. Why did they not wait for Dangote refinery to be 100% functional before removing subsidy.
Hard times ahead!

I now hate Jonathan like mad.

He’s the genesis of what we are going through right now.

I’m sure he was that useless in power because it was dropped on his lap.

Biodun556:
No he shouldn't because there were no refineries then

Now about 5 refineries will come up soon

”Will soon come up”, but they are not up and running yet abi?

Everything Tinubu adduced to as the reason behind the Occupy Nigeria of 2012, he has done it.

Refineries are not running.

He didn’t consult stakeholders.

Is that not double standard?

baralatie:
Do you think if the same grand revolt that was staged against ex president good luck Jonathan in 2012 on subsidy,that this government would survive🤔

Take note that the last government purposely avoided such by pushing this implementation to this government 🚴🚴🚴🚴🚴

The only reason Buhari put a hold on Subsidy removal till after the election was because it would have put a death nail on APC’s chances at the poll.

Just imagine Nigerians were buying fuel at 1,200 a litre by February. Do you think the election would have been rigable for APC? I think not.

taylor88:
By popular demand LP is stronger than APC let alone PDP

Na just power and figure heads them get

If to say one man one vote dey really count you for understand

Please tell them.

The way I’m looking at it, I see large chunk of PDP branching off to team up with Labour Party to present Obi for 2027 Presidential Election in case the Supreme Court allows Tinubu to enjoy his robbery.

Because as things currently stand, LP has better chance of winning a presidential election in Nigeria today than PDP.

I just don’t want any deal that will take Datti away as Obi’s running mate.🤦

HacheNoire:
PDP has relocated their HQ to UAE

Henceforth, it will no longer participate in Nigerian politics. The Exco has stated that, with immediate effect, PDP will only participate in UAE and American politics.

As funny as it sounds, PDP is now a dead party.

solmusdesigns:



Mophooor


Are you commending Tinubu's decision

I’m not commending the decision but I’m not against the decision. It’s a decision that should have been taken a long time ago.

That’s why I’m saying GEJ should have stuck to his gun in 2012.

egunna:
every politician has his base where he comes from.obi is loved in the south east and the igbos all over the country support him, the hausas irrespective of where they live love buhari as well just as the Yorubas across the country love tinubu.so it's not peculiar to ur obi.how many votes did he get in north?next to nothing nah.dem no rate am sef.

How many states did Tinubu win in the north?

And how many states did Obi win in the north?