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uchlukez: If I bomb church abi?

Bombing church won't guarantee u seeing Allah except u just burn the 'church' in your heart and submit to The Only True One you wish to meet!

Olayinkaoj: To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to Islam

Thanks for the notification. I want answers to a different question that can best be answered by Muslims.

Can you please explain the following Quaranic verses 9v5, 9v29, 9v30, 9v31? And how these have not authorised kill

9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

From the preceeding explanation, it was clear that the muslims weren't facing tribulations only from the Idol worshippers alone, they were equally seen as threat that must be neutralized by the jews and christain nations existing at that time. Except a few like the righteous Christain King Heracules of Abyssinia, words have gone out to other strong Nations to extaminate the light of Islam. So u have strong Nations like the Roman,Greek,Persian Empires preparing for war against a few numbers of Muslims. The only remaining choice was to fight in defence of their religion,especially when the hope in the peace treaty has faded away.

So Allah says- " Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, for, otherwise, they would have believed in the Prophet (s), and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, [such as wine, nor do they practise the religion of truth, the firm one, the religion of Islam] — from among of those who have been given the Scripture, namely, the Jews and the Christians, until they pay the jizya (tribute, the annual tax imposed them, readily or being subdued, [being made] submissive and compliant to the authority of Islam.


The options with the People of Scripture is that if the muslims were not to engage them in war then they will be protected with justice under an Islamic rule and they will only be obligated to pay annual tax as a symbol of cooperation to the authority.

From the above, it is only normal to protect yourself,your honour,your religion against a force bent on uprooting you. And it is equally a sign of extending the hands of fellowship to your enemy that at the very verge of confrontation you give the choice to avoid bloodshed by the payment of annual tribute while been subjugated!

Jomark: dream on mr unity! Tell your brothers to stop killing us for the sake of 72virgins

U re just here to make up the number. No substance!

By the way, I will relate your message to 'my brothers' and they will ensure our unity remains nothing but just mere dream-just the way u wanted it!

Minus 1.

Jomark: Wow! Enough money to finance these rogues who kill in the name of muhammed's god...shamless 72virgin dreamers

Must u always display this leftist tendencies?

Olayinkaoj: To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to Islam

Thanks for the notification. I want answers to a different question that can best be answered by Muslims.

Can you please explain the following Quaranic verses 9v5, 9v29, 9v30, 9v31? And how these have not authorised killing?

9:5
Sahih International
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Open your heart as I attempt to clear your doubts-

On this verse you have to comprehend it in line with the content of the immediate preceeding verse(verse 4). We will come back to that later. This verse as been wrongly thought to justify unwarranted killing in Islam. No, that is wrong!

There is a history behind this! The muslims were tortured in Makkah and had to migrate to a foreing land in Medina. Getting there,they entered a peace treaty with 3 different Jewish clans namely Banu Khurayza, Banu Qaynuka and Banu Nadhir. Howerver, Banu Nadhir was d only tribe to hold on to the treaty while the other two did not only betrayed the muslims, they attempted killing the prophet severally. Example was when they connived to throw a big rock on the messenger's head while reclining underneath a tree.

They also connived with the polytheist disbelievers from the prophet's birth place of Makkah whom the prophet had had a peace deal with during a treaty at the outskirt of Makkah refered to as Hudaybiyah. In essence, the muslims were betrayed and wrongly persecuted so Allah revealed in verse 4-

Allah says - " Except those polytheist whom you have a treaty,and who have not subsequently failed you,nor have supported anyone against you.So fufill their treaty to them to the end of their term.Surely,Allah loves the pious"

Muslims, abinitio have been forbidden to fight especially in the Sacred Months(of lunar calender- the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months). But the polytheist took advantage of this concessions and waged war endlessly against the Muslims.

So Allah says" Then when the sacred months have passed,then kill the polytheist wherever you find them,and capture them and besiege them ,and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-salat,then leave their way free. Verily Allah is Oft Forgiving,Most Merciful."

U have to know that the Mushrikun(polytheist) are different(then) from the people of the scriptures( Jews and Christains).Again, all these war are neccesary to safeguard the lifes of the muslims after period of unparalled torture and endurance.

Allah is the Source of Guidance!

Cashio: If i wan talk now dem go say make i no talk anyfin wey insult islam in any way so i rest my case till i personally meet dt allah one on one....

Are u a Muslim? Then,sure, u will meet Allah one on one.

At the mention of beer alone people are already getting drunk spouting incoherent words around on this thread. Na so fashola annoy u reach.....? This thread is not safe to ply again; drunk-drive everywhere. Evaporation mode!

No matter the hate towards the North and its proposed developmental strides, we cannot rule it out that the North just like the South still belongs to one Entity called Nigeria. Expolration of the oil in the North just like we already have in the south should gladen our heart as Nigerians not as tribalist.

They are mutually exclusive events; the successes of which will both benefit us all in the short and long run. I was happy Ghana found oil despite our seeming geograhical difference and age-long superiority tursle. The Boko Haram are our collective enemy just like all corrupt national lifes.

In the North,the food item found predominantly in the south like fresh corn now abounds everywhere. In Abuja as a case study, u get fresh corn everyday at the cheapest rate ever(4 matured corn for N150). This wasn't obtainable in d past. And I pray to live long enough to see groundnut,millet,kola,tomatoes,onions abundantly been produced in comercial volumns in the swampy terrain in the South south.

We can be successful and united together with or without the oil. The heaven is wide enough for us all to fly!

bulletproofmonk: The most shocking thing about this thread is how it was hijacked by tribalists.JEEZ!

"Shocking" is mild. Tribalism is a cancerworm to us in this country. Human are but a single race!

Most parent taught their kids not to take things from stranger. Why do we discard morality as we grow older. Is our growing inversely proportional to our judgemental perceptions! The world is filled with mischievious people. The advice is all about protecting ourselves.

Tales of the Past!

bastrin: whenever i hear drink I believe it is ALCOHOL we are talking about.

Our hearts works in miraculous ways! The heart dictates your perception and that is dependent on whether the heart is pure and enlivened or diseased and blackened.

signalpower: sometimes i ask myself were do an islam or Muslim go after death.

After death,there is a transient life in the grave and The Day of Judgement comes at an appointed time. The "eventual" destination of a muslim is Paradise wherein he will abide forever.

No one enters this Paradise except a believer in the Oneness of God just like Adam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad(peace on them )all believed.

The destination of the disbelievers in the Unity of God is Hell. They will abide in eternally forever.

ashson: SUNNAH OF DRINKING

1. To sit and drink.
(Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith 6452 and Sahih Muslim Hadith 5242, 5247).
Zamzam water and left over water in the utensil used for Wudhu are excluded from this.

2. To drink with the right hand. (Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith 5380; Sahih Muslim Hadith 5233)

3. To take 3 sips (or more in odd numbers).
(Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith 5631; Sahih Muslim Hadith 5255)

4. To say Bismillah before drinking.
(Sahih al-Bukhari and al-Azkaar; Fath al-Baari vol.10 pg.117)

5. To say Alhamdulillah after drinking. (Ibnus-sunni Hadith 472; Majmauz-zawaaid vol.5 pg.81; Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 1885; Fath al-Bari vol.10 pg.117 Hadith 5631)

6. If there are several people who are going to share the drink, it should be given to the one on the right.
(Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith 5612; Sahih Muslim Hadith5257)

7. The one who is distributing the water (or food) should himself drink after everyone. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 1894)

8. To recite the following Du’a after drinking, ‘Alhamdulillaahi llaadhiy at’ama wa saqaa, wa sawwaghahu wa ja’ala lahu makhraja.'
(Abu Dawud Hadith3847). This Du’a could also be recited after eating. (Ibid)

9. After drinking milk to recite ‘Allaahumma baarik lanaa feehi wa zidnaa minhu’.
(Sunan Abi Dawud Hadith 3723; Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3455; ibnus-sunni Hadith 474).

May Allah {SWT} continue to guide us on right path.
Ameen

@OP, u ve indeed admonished us wt this! Jazakallahu khairan.
In addition to this is to avoid extravagance in the act of drinking(and in life affairs generally).
Allah says-" O ye children of Adam! Take your (best)apparel to prayer,and EAT and DRINK but don't be wasteful!
Wastefulness in drinking involves (1) Buying or taking Intoxicants. Allah condemns the one that produces it,sell it,package it,convey and DRINK it. So drinking what is Halal is the pinnacle of Etiquette.

And there exist a correlation btw what a man drinks and the acceptance of Prayer. In the hadith in which the Prophet narrated an old man who raises his hand in the wilderness saying "Allah,Allah). How will his prayer be answered?",the Prophet asked. For he eats haram,wears what's haram and drinks haram".(2) When we drink too we should avoid wastage. We should drink when and what is needed. The prophet do not eat or drink except when hungry or thirsty. And also manages is bowel well by having 1/3 for eating, 1/3 for water and d rest for air space. Statistics shows up to 7% of water is wasted through ill management of drinking habit. Allah is the source of Guidance.

Enyeama should be the one to narrate his ordeal. Israel my foot!

Bush meat!

[quote author=@kenyattaMoore]Eewwwww!!!maybe he already ate some rat meat before seeing that one ,I will cook my own food any day![/quote]Looking critically, it seems this guy is either greedy or simply one of the "eat-meat-after-food" type. Wait a minute! The rice is already finished. How could u eat food up to the last grain before discovering the rat or simply he saw it all the while and I had the plan to eat the meat last.

If this will eventually bring lasting peace in replacement of a fading patience, Why not Jonathan give it a thought. Abati ,pls take it from here....

Be warned! Maybe the Fried rice na "Kill and Dry"- "JU LE LASAN". It maybe the rat is just paving the highway in reception for u! But truly that is wickedness to the rat!

tomakint: The sooner you realised that the Boko Haram guys are the ones doing the will of your Allah, the better for you! Dey there dey deceive yourself and continue to 'tint' your bear-bear and use 10 yards of rag to tie turban on your head as if that will take you to heaven! Original dumbosco

U shouldn't have resulted to name-calling. U are attacking the emblems of Islam and this is incitive. It won't fetch ur soul more than misery if u keep derailing off substances to shadows. The bear shouldn't be ur problem. Afterall Jesus(as) is not clean shave.

mikeansy: if you believe any of that crap you typed above, you will believe anything!

I am convinced u are not only pathetic, ur brain works reverse. I was towing the path of educating u thinking that it was just Ignorance u were afflicted with just as Akiika opined, but it shows u are just bent and irreparably sterotyped in delusion that Islam can be understood by a tiny figment of ur shear imagination. I believe in the 'crap' because it clarify misconceptions u are bent on shovving down d throat of d feeble-minded like u.

Love is not like a piece of cake; u give guy A 30% and guy B automatically takes 70%. Just the way u don't love one of ur kids to the detriment of other, it is possible a person can be love with two persons at the same time.

Isreal is no friend of christains, their Pilgrimage to that nation notwithstanding! The Zionist state have their agenda to annihilate the whole world through the Freemasonic Orders. The Islamic world is a friend to Nigeria much more than u see the Zionist state do.

Olayinkaoj: Surat 9v5 says:
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

9v29;
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

9v30:
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

9v31:
They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

My submission is that since we have the above in the Quran, BH are Muslim because they are following those lines/verses. I never knew it was expressly mentioned in verse 30 of that chapter 9 that Allah should destroy Christians for calling the son of May ''Lord''

U are mistaken. No apology because those verses are part of the Qur'an. There is what we refer to as 'Asbab al Nuzul". It means the circumstances surrounding the revelation of a verse(s). These verses are not to be understood without scholastic interpretation and exegesis. Reference has to be made as to (1) What necessitated such revelation? (2) Was the cause for which the verses were revealed still applies or was the verse abrogated. E.g Allah says " Do not move near prayer when u are drunk". This does not outrightly prohibited drinking Alcohol. Later Allah forbade it total when He says "Verily,in intoxicants,gambling..... are handy works of d devil, avoid them so u may prosper".
In this light,most of the verses quoted were revealled in Makkah not Medina. In Makkah,muslim were persecuted from the hands of polytheists and holders of scriptures. They were instructed to save their lives.

Billyonaire: Thanks for these expositions but can the muslims of Nairaland, open up their Koran and attest if these verses are enshrined in the 'Holy' Book ? Let me also add here, that Boko Haram bombed UN Headquarters, bombed Police Stations and Telecommunication Masts, Media Houses, Motorparks and also bombed mosques. Let us not be biased. I submit that Boko Haram is a criminal terror organization using Islam as a cover to derive their Political and criminal aim.

U are far intelligent than that misleading guy. No apology because those verses are part of the Qur'an. There is what we refer to as 'Asbab al Nuzul". It means the circumstances surrounding the revelation of a verse(s). These verses are not to be understood without scholastic interpretation and exegesis. Reference has to be made as to (1) What necessitated such revelation? (2) Was the cause for which the verses were revealed still applies or was the verse abrogated. E.g Allah says " Do not move near prayer when u are drunk". This does not outrightly prohibited drinking Alcohol. Later Allah forbade it total when He says "Verily,in intoxicants,gambling..... are handy works of d devil, avoid them so u may prosper".
In this light,most of the verses quoted were revealled in Makkah not Medina. In Makkah,muslim were persecuted from the hands of polytheists and holders of scriptures. They were instructed to save their lives.

APRIL FOOL- A day many people will come to regret on The Day of Accountability. Who knows what will become of you when u see that what stands between u and making Paradise is that Major sin u are brainwashed to be seen as trivial Jests in the name of April fool. D next poster to quote this will probably just turn this to a jest.

honeric01: i can't believe some people are comparing a sick 90yrs old mandela who spent more than 25yrs on jail with a 50yrs old p. Jonathan who feeds with 1 billion with her family. Are these people normal @ all?

NO,they are not comparable. One is a Jailee while the other is a Jailer. One a hero,the other a vilian!

... And anybody wei wish that...

Ajenavi Mark: " Anybody wei wish the 1st lady dead go die b4 am, no two ways about that....is it unlawful to fall sick?

" is also wishing somebody dead. Olopa e wo ni ti epe? It is not unlawful to fall dead(at God's time)!

Ajenavi Mark: .....and anybody wei wish that " Anybody wei wish the 1st lady dead go die b4 am, no two ways about that....is it unlawful to fall sick?

" is also wishing somebody dead. Olopa e wo ni ti epe?