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On topics like this people ought to contribute responsibly.

In nigeria,this is a common scenario,mostly with the yoruba culture and amongst certain religious sect.

I blame the women for marrying such primitive men,I blame soceity and pple such as nairalnders that commented carelesly for its existence in present day soceity.

It used to be a sign of submission but it failed the prior generation.The men took the money enriched themselves abused their spouses seeing they had nowhere to go.

So a man and wife build a house with all the womans salary,and his relatives or his 2nd wife take over,remember she has no other "savings" hence totally dependent.Not just her her children too.

So in this day and age a man says to his working wife "bring all ur salary" in a culture that has no protective laws for its women and some folks come on here and say its submission? Its not submission its evil and theivery by a lazy man,men like that eventually find other places to validate their ego,they spend on other women who look at them as a rich provider...

I've seen and heard of a few like this,non ended with the man staying despite the woman agreeing to remit all her income.like it is with every bully,giving in never solves the problem,the demands just get worse as the woman looses all her respect completely.Don't these women respect themselves? To respect yourself means u carry yourself and treat urself in a manner deserving to be respected. women,learn from the prior generationn,look out for ur family,but look out for urselves too,have ur own egg nest.if not for u,for ur children.Ignore society,if you trust the man completely,fine but remember its your responsibilty to protect yourself and your children with your choices,be wise.choose well.

I have read all the comments including the sons lame excuse,whatever their reasons were you do not take a child from its mother without her consent.

If they were worried about her welfare they should have taken this matter to the courts and not act as they did.

This is classic Naija highhandedness,the grandma must be sentenced even if she doesn't do the term.This case must set widescale precedence that this kind of high handedness will not be tolerated,their rejoinder is horrible,they tried to find excuse for evil, they should just have kept quiet.

I give honour to whom honour is due.

So I'm logging in to say :

May God Bless the Peoples General

May He reward your devotion to this land with many years as you see her flourish under your rule

May your enemies fall postrate before you.

May Our God continue to keep you.

Sai Buhari !!!
God Bless Nigeria.

To all those giving negative comments,Fear God.To those staying silent remember evil thrives when the good stay silent,remember also that in not taking a stance you have given consent to allow evil thrive,to let injustice continue unchallenged.This is not the type of topic u read comments and go by saying they are not serious,this is the type u speak up,so the voice of the minority evil does not suppercede that of the greater good.

Reminds me of the concept of collective guilt of the germans on the holocaust,that their silence allowed that evil to be perpetuated in their name,they became a part of it when they said nothing to challenge it and millions were killed continously.

So this brave few have decided to speak out for justice on behalf of this missing children and their poor families for the last 183 days,today they venture to march despite the fear of harm to their personal safety,they've exposed themselves and their reputations to ridicule and other inconvieninces to champion this cause.

let's all choose our words carefully on this matter so our lot is not counted with the wicked.The fact that they are not back home 183 days after justifies this cause,

So I join my voice with theirs today to say Mr President #BringBackourGirls

The comments I've seen so far on this thread is good reason this grandmother must be made to face the full wrath of the law in Nigeria.

She should be an example,a precedence in justice served that this sort of evil will not be tolerated,that such highandedness must not repeat itself and wherever it is suggested everyone will remember the name of this wicked grandmother.

Lesson learnt. That some Nigerians actually think there can be any excuse for this evil meddling is scary,pple really need to be wary of Nigerian in-laws,their sense of entitlement apparently knows no bounds.

Let me try and make things a bit clear.

Its a norm for volunteers to be paid a stipend an amount not comensurate to the service they actually offer,so Dr's that earn millions abroad are paid like 250k a month accomodation and meals by Volunteer ts like an honorarium to appreciate service.
So the question is what is the true value of this work they are doing.

The way to appreciate it is how much would u pay an artisan,an accountant,a musician,an officer of the military on outside posting for a job that would risk his life/inconvienience him and that of his whole family per day...

Then u get the perspective of how this 50k a day is actually a stipend.and that the govt still fails to pay it,or they have to request and be spoken to harshly, that anyone criticizes them even from the comfort of a computer screen is Distasteful,and disrespectful to the very lives these pple sacrifice as they come out for this job.You all should really be careful,I believe God Dey.

no mention so far of the hollow earth theory amongst comments I've seen, that's the real interesting dimension to this article,you guyz should read up about it,like read extensively.Lots of stuff on the net,books and all.

I must comend the workers local and expatraite combatting this deadly disease.May Their gallant efforts not go unrewarded.

That said,why is our minister of health sounding so unproffesional in this matters,one would expect as a Dr he would know better.

The Epidemic threshold for a disease such as this is 1.meaning when u record a single case,u put all your emmergency preparedness gig into full swing.Now is not the time to be saying we have "only one case left",one case is a big deal,because it means they are more unreported in the community.that's basic epidemiology.

Can anyone shed light to the statement attributed to this same ministry that ebola 1.9 b is released to the ministry for expenses and not for ebola in particular so will be used to procure other items since there was just one case left?

In the spirit of tranparency and common good,can the ministry pls give us a list of treatment/emmergency preparedness center for all states equipped evidenced with pictures and staffed...

We shouldn't joke with preparedness,that's the stage to make a real change in the statistics.And All states must be prepared,don't let your pple become data for ebola.

I don't get this country,with majority in poverty,and the ones we call the middle class actually been those that have patched it together and can just barely scrape by while praying no emmergency comes up,we place so much emphasis on marriage in the most productive years of their lives...

I would have thought most would have learnt from their parents,and not let anyone or society pressure them into marry till they have settled milestones in life..

So young pple that should be contemplating industries,consolidating. carrear growth Amongst others take up marriage because they are 26 and have found love, an emmergency occurs and a whole family nuclear and extended cannot raise a million naira

This is nigeria and not jand if u don't come from a family that can shoulder some of your responsibilities from time to time,if u have no background to cater for emmergencies forget what pple say,build yourself,build carrear,travel,maximise and create opportunities,only then when u have created a steady base should you start talking marriage.and our soceity should really stop celebrating mediocrity.this goes to both male and female.Husbands promotion kor... Husband that leaves them @ forty... Silly pple.

The solution is simple, take the emmergency response away completely from the govt hands because some clowns in govt will always sabotage it.

I prefer foreign org,but a serious NGO needs to stand up now and set their own sys... Accomodation for staff,feeding,transp sys,drugs,med supplies,isolation tents etc its not cheap and we'll have to donate to it

Truth is for every epidemic threshold crossed in naija recorded in the last 10yrs,it took foreign intervention,msf esp to bring it down,meningitis,cholera,lead poisoning etc...

They used mostly local med staff with few foreiners cordinating....

To stop this plague,take it away from the govt,they should give the funds to an org not the ussual naija govt offices.

That said containing this thing isn't cheap @ all,bio hazard suits 20,000 non reusable.serious donations will be needed from all coporate bodies too.

They say u know how civilized a society is by how they treat those that are disables,those that are helpless.

So our fathers that were serious,the ones that refused to take bribe,that insisted on due process and integrity in the prior generation? Most died uncelebrated and their efforts unrewarded,the charlattans and crooks,the ones that cut corners soceity celebrated.

It continues till date,no issue is pursued to a reasonable conclusion,the list is long.... why then should this generation take anything or anyone seriously.

Moving forward, all this returants,public offices and places should be mandated to get proper touchless handwashing device abeg....,flowing water should be compulsory,etc.

Its situations like this that make society better,we really shouldn't let this crises go to waste.

I like an earlier comment,minister of health should take a shift @ one of this centers,Oya LASG commisioner of health,over to you,take a shift for one month.

What will u want in place before you start in this highly infectious unit and as u return home to your family everyday.

The truth is ebola just butresses the point of nigerian Dr's.Health workers are always exposed to illnesses we've lost friends,colleagues to infectious diseases they had no time off to treat,to lassa,some have got HIV ,heppatitis on the job,etc.

Hazard allowance cannot be 5k,and it is so wrong to ask anyone to take risks you the leader of the team will not be willing to take,so commissioner,lead your team.

Meanwhile,how many hospitals have been closed in lag for ebola?

Lastly,

Since we're trading blames on roles,its not the pharmacists that should ave found a cure for this.

PHD Dr's are awarded their PHD for research,and its expected they continue their research throught life.

In nigeria they want to be "consultants" and see patients.its not their fault really,its the goverment that failed to give grants for research,so the greater percentage of research projects in the country over 80 percent is funded by foreign aid/grants and self funding,so the whole consultant brouhaha is just them seeking relevance.

This chaos,will be a good time for NMA and Johesu to team up write everyones roles and duty in gold,write demands and expectations from the goverment,write the plan to ensure sanction for erring members,it can be bussiness as ussual,and then we will see peace.Its that easy....

You all should make good use of this crises.its will be like the phoenix born from adversity.

So I'm a nigerian trained Dr,and I have refused to practice clinically in Nigeria with any Nigerian institution public and private for yrs now. I must say when it comes to clinical medcine in Nigeria,it requires ingenuinty,diplomacy and tact,where all that should have been needed was protocol,discipline,teamwork.It erodes one's dignity and sanity,no one appreciates it,no one respects you.All good you do,and we do a loooot of good,we tell ourselves we do for "God" what I feel is deep bitterness,a sense of so not worth it,except taken as a calling.

So this same state and Nation,that has betrayed our trust and our profession again and again in all ramifications is asking come volunteer and they throw money to solve the prob,50,000 a day,here's why I won't and this are my recomendations.

I won't because,

Frankly Nigeria/Nigerians does/do not deserve it.They've disrespected their clinicians and their roles over the years and I simply refuse to "re-join" the choas now.

No one I repeat No one will look out for the clinicians as ussual,- so they've offered a life insurance policy,I would have expected serious pple to offer residency training slots in new infectious disease dept,training abroad,etc but so you know their tots.

Summary is I don't trust the Nigerian govt and her pple to look out for her professionals they never did,I doubt they'll start now,Red cross,MSF,The UN,and other ,look out for their staff in such great detail... They ave a security dept that safeguards with security report,all threats not to talk of actual assaults physical or verbal which are attended to propmtly and addressed,ure treated with respect,everyone understands their roles and responsibilities,and should u get infected or injured in any way on the job,(though you've signed an indemnity clause),they still do all they can to ensure your safety and comfort,and take responsibilty for your treatment should the need arise (unlike here where u're on your own to treat yourself,you don't even get time off,hope u all know lagos state does not pay for any time off for their locum staff including maternity leave )those guyz I will trust to volunteer with,they've earned it...they pay peanuts by the way,so its not about money.

My question and recomendation for lagos and Nigeria,

Now will be a good time to bring in those "cuban" Drs we always hear them boast about,I'm sure NMA will have no issue with it.

Get more quarantine centers before u need it.I ave said this one before now,so you know I'm right they are unserious jokers

Housing for this team of volunteers,hope u don't expect them to go home dly seeing what risk they are taking,and pls ensure they are really comfortable during this period.

Short volunteer periods,max 1 month which is wat others do,its easy to concentrate on protection for a short period ,with a long time frame,lapses occur.After this short period,quarantine and test them before letting them go home.

Lastly respect those that actually turn up,dr's Nurses,pharm etc.no state official or secetary of oga should turn up and start spewwing rubbish.

Lastly,it will cost money,no short cuts.So pls get enough protective wears and supplies,no we've run out of cotton wool or protective wear,pls manage...

Read Read Read.
Read a thousand books and more.

Its not enough to learn new words and their pronunciations,you have to learn how best its used.While reading you discover phrases and words used in different ways,witty and interesting too,you get to use those words and phrases in future and people think/say wao that guy has a great vocabulary,but its just "a thousand" books speaking.

the more you read the more comfortable u get socially,because u'll have the right words to say just what you want said in most situations,and gradually you start to pick the writing style of different authors,as the voice in your head finds uninhibited expression.

so the trick Sir,is to read.

Personally,I really don't believe the lagos state goverment or Nigeria is on top of any matter till I see a list of fully equipped designated ebola treatment centers in the state and nation.

For lassa fever its all the way in irrua.meaning if anyone gets lassa fever now say in onitsha,and has to be quarantined properly and treated by a proper protected team,u refer to irrua,till then every one gets exposed.

So where are these centers in lagos? Don't just give us nos show us the centers.How many health practitoners are been trained with rapid diagnositic sets if there's any to quickly identify its ebola not malaria?pls bear in mind its not only this man that has travelled into nigeria from liberia and other endemic regions that's probably infected...

Lastly epid teaches when u start seeing presentations in the hospitals,there's deff more with the symp and disease in the community.

I know Nigeria's attitude to epidemics and illnesses first hand,true we have superbly trained and knowledgable teams and plans but political will is ussually zero.so ussually it takes WHO,msf or other foreign agencies to come in with funds using the existing team before we see a real impact.

So we know this is not eye service and propaganda as ussual,I ask where are these quarantine centers in the nation and how equipped are they? How many ebola rapid diagnosis labs /kits have we set up and how many health practitioners are aware where to send this samples? How many protective gears and teams do we have? What's the protocol for the public to follow when we suspect ebola?

Those are the real questions.no propaganda pls.

Double post,edited.

Am I the only one that saw "100" protective wears? So that will last 2 teams of 5 what? 10 days? Most likely donated too.

Nigeria still doesn't get it,health care isn't cheap.True each costs like 20,000 but prventive measures mean we should have more than enough for the first stages of an outbreak if it ever occurs,because that's the important stage,we shouldn't be hearing there are no more suits,manage or reuse suits,those in healthcare know what I mean.For the population of lagos let real preparations be made,not eye service papper arrangements/propaganda.

The protocol with such outbreaks usuusally is for the poplulace not to take the patients to the hospital but to call the designated centers nos to come pick infected pple in their protective suits,or if they must ,they could take the patients to such designated specially errected centres Ideally.

We don't need an outbreak to establish this protocols or preparations,with real places,people,and realistic figures,also to inform the public on all this.

My point is there is no shortcut to health expenditure,and the time to spend that money,to trully prepare is now.

Great thread,

Common pple sheath your swords,not all fulani's are bad,that's an evil generalization,its like saying all yoruba's are ritualists,all ibo's are drug lords,and all americans are serial killers...

This thread is about celebrating a pple,so if u have some good exp with this pple or sumtin u like about them,now will be a good time to voice up,pls show the world all fulani's are not bad.and that alone can sow the seeds of future peace

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All good fulanis should help weed out the bandits,the same fulani that lived in peace with communities for years can do something about this scourge thats attempting to ruin their name and relations with other tribes.For the sake of future generations all Fulanis must stand up against the rougue ones and weed them out


I hope this was helpful.

So let me see if I get this thread,you all want the bride or groom to sit at home the night before their d day,watching tv?

I think the word you're looking for is debauchery not "fling" per say...

Not all bach eve's or bachelorette parties have that element,I've attended bach eves where friends of the groom male and female all had drinks and just talked about the guy into the nite,talked about politics,history,stuff the guy had done in the past,his ex gfriends(or lack of them) girls he tried dating and this babe in particular ... Nice classy restrauant too,others had some dancing and drinking till the groom passed out,for most of us,its great networking and opportunity to meet "our friends other single friends" they become known faces the fflg day at the wedding.For me its the part of the Nigerian weddings I love the most,cos its "we we " and a few new faces all in our age bracket partying with ok people.

The fllg day u "give to caesers what is ceasers" and comply with all the formal requirement of the naija wedding and reception,u act mature while at it...

Most plle will tell you this event with friends the nite before is the part of their wedding they enjoyed the most.so by all means don't let this thread stop anyone from throwing a bachelor or bachelorette party for their friends,and don't give it a "bad name" either the idea is a great one and does not necesarrily entail debauchery.

Everyone has a right to protest,but this one was completely insensitive.

Wrong time- within days of twin bomblasts in one city,wrong place,wrong topic.

If they trully had noble intentions,they could have held candles in their mosques and taken pictures,or held placards on a large field and taken pictures,that would have been deemed peaceful,but to troop out enmass in a city with heavy military presence few days after a major bombing,sorry 2, to protest a foreign policy/military invasion....

I'm most postive that protest was not authorized.That act was not only capable of breaching the public peace,it was also stupid and unpatroitic.The organizers ought to be chastized seriously to serve as a deterent for such in future.

I have decided to login in on this thread and post a comment because evil thrives when "the good ones" are silent,that means for every time we refuse to commend a good thing on this pages,the dissapointing ones and their misguided paid for utterances which they render with such evil dedication wins the day,so pple don't just "like" drop a word for them,that there are others real pple like them that stand with them.

So May God Bless You Mrs Oby and the everyone that has kept the bringbackourgirls fire alive,history will remember you as the amazon that stood for justice and truth,May God keep you and yours.

I've learnt to always focus on matters arising,that way u spend energy on what is important.

This issue of other proffesionals becoming consultants in the NMA strike is limited to the teaching hospital setting.NMA is saying in the teaching hospital you cannot have a nurse,lab scientist,or pharmacist appointed consultant.

In non clinical medecine and yes there is non clinical medecine it can pass,like agencies such as unicef,who,FHI,health managent org etc employ anyone whose services they need for a specified period as consultants to the org.meaning a lot of UN staff who work on 3months 2 years or more contracts are consultants to the org or project.

Transpose to clinical medecine,a patient comes to the emmergency unit with fractures head injury and let's say some degree of elevation in his blood sugar.The Accident and emmergency unit assigns a consultant to him primarily (remember we hope he gets discharged from this dr's care someday,this consulatnt writes a letter inviteing other drs from orthopaedics -for his fractures,neurosurgery -for his head injury,endocrinology-for his diabetes) all consultants come with their team to join him and manage this patient.

Now in this clinical setting,Nurses want to be appointed as consultant and the question is what specialized service Are we bringing in a nurse and allied professional for for a short duration to offer to this patient,is there anywhere in the world Nurses are employed as "consultants" in the TEACHING/tetiary clinical hospital


For the public to wade into this matter without having been in this world its understandable to get swayed by emotions,but this is not about emotions its about the fabric that holds the system in place,Nurses cannot become consultants in the teaching hospitals,and they should not be cmd in tetiary centers in nigeria.

When all this is over,I suggest a reality TV show in our tetiary hospital sys with the patients faces blurred to depict the true picture of the Nigerian tetiary health care,its loooong overdue,we'll see the workload,the sacrifices,the fustration,we'll see its a thankless job,only then should the public start to wade in.

This matter is simple,someone decided to stand for justice,she has said she would count the days till they are found,our goverment as usual would have prefered we forgot this saga,This woman said no.

I applaud her courage,and to all who malign her and her cause,remember when u fetch a firewood with ants,u invite lizards to your home,by doing this (supporting and endorsing this great evil done to this children and their families) you stand on the side of wrong,u endorse their pain,and I pray in so doing u do not set urself and ur loved ones up for karma's judgement . Victorazie and all,be carefull what words u sow in this matter.

The situation in the Nigerian health sector would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.the real problem is there are no clearly defined work description with standard action for lapses from erring parties.

You see in the hospitals,the nurses refuse to do some of their duties,ask them to set things the patient needs they won't,join the ward rounds they refuse,bring things you need for surgery no way even when its available,take vital signs of patients they don't and they proceed to write normal all over the place,many examples abound...

The Drs over the yrs have found ways around this lapses without sanctioning culprits making their jobs (nurses et all) dispensable over the years.This is one of the reason the patchy health system is still standing,the ingenuinety and dedication of the dr's,now the overworked House officer takes all the vital signs,takes all samples and takes them to the lab,ideally lab scientist and porters work ,he also retrieves all result if not u wait forever,the dr asks the patient to procure everything including nasal prongs,cotton wool and spirit and basically does the job of everybody else so the system can work.

Then came this brillant idea to make nurses consultant nurses,( Principal Nursing officer and Chief Nursing officer,Director of Nursing services,this already existing posts wouldn't do),it had to be consultant nurse,afterall outside medcine,pple with just bsc where employed to be consultants.(Whereas in medecine the title describes the rltship btw patient and his managing dr.so its a question of whose patient is this,who takes the responsibility absolutely,that's the person under whose name the patient is admitted,who sanctions all management details,takes all the glory and the absolute fall guy when there's trouble,remember he can loose his licence)

Then wardrounds became different,the Registrars already pressed for time is told to wait to commence his rounds,the "consultant nurse" is on her round,The consultant plastic surgeon gives an order on wound management,the consultant nurse says she's been practicing for 30yrs this isn't the way "we do it",she's "consultant" now remember she gives "her nurses" a different instruction of cause they obey their "consultant" ,dr's orders overuled.pls transpose to other dept. and then they insist. "its our turn to be chief medical director of the hospital". (Above examples are all real incidences by the way)

Those are the matters arising,add to it the drs feel disgruntled they work long unnofficial unaknowledged hrs,with no offs whislt the others work shifts with off duty hrs etc.

Let all work duties be spelt out in gold with stringent protocols and sanctions for eRring parties, and you'll see a stronger saner health system.

Banky is one of Nigeria's most talented artists who keeps re-inventing himself.

That's what the entertainment industry should be about,creativity and the re -invention of self every now and then so we're not stiffled with the repetitive.

Great concept though and coming from Banky W,impressive.

Did they explain on what grounds he was been detained, due process is to read the grounds on which an "accused" is been held, the so called Miranda rights in the USA. In failing to do so, the SSS officials violated the rule of law, and the rights of Mr El-rufai,That said, APC has already declared him an accredited observer.

They should deport their sorry arse,all of them,their confiscated goods should not be sold but rather given to charity all over the world.

As for our govt,perchance anyone in power sees this thread,they should know their commitment to national growth and development includes making an example of these ones that have been caught.It should not be bussiness as ussual.

Pls arrest all 25 when they return,conduct a thorough investigation to know those who were coerced or not,and use them to set a public example (not a pat on the wrist something more stringent )that Nigeria will not condone this soiling of our name and image by such rifrafs abroad....

Perhaps it will be a deterent to others and it will show the nations we are not "all the same".

So when do these deportees arrive?,names and faces pls.

Its a case of assault against Nigerian health workers that's been condoned by the soceity for yrs finally reaching its peak.Health workers have suffered perpertual verbal assault @ the hands of Nigerians and physical assault like this isn't new.

The popular story of the nasarawa police shooting and beating drs who explained they had no space in their morgues and where told to invent space,forgetting they had full responsibilty to protect the bodies they had accepted in their custody,many cases abound of which I really don't care to go into.

Most health workers who have and care aboout dignity of self simply refuse to practice in Nigeria.If she administered wrong medication or not a panel should have been set up and investigated,the medical profession must rise to the responsibility of protecting its workers in the country by ensuring stringent standards and protocols for all matters arising with sanctions where necesary.

I logged in quickly to tell u this ur thread promotes this evil u have inadvertently advertised,It is anothers pain,don't make a mockery of it,don't put the tot in the mind of the criminals out there,don't immortalize it,don't make it a culture.

Wondering what the population @ the nairaland viewing center will be for the finals.....