CanadaOrBust: I still maintain it’s somewhat by choice. If the average American were to spend and live like the average Nigerian, he would have 10’s of thousands of dollars in savings
You might have a point if they only don't have savings. But no, they are in DEBT! That can't be by choice in any stretch of imagination!
dazzlingd: You know wat, I think we are speaking from different perspectives, 10k in Nigeria is a big deal. But when you cross boarder, you will realize it is really small and you can’t do much with it. The people you consider as broke in US, 10k won’t solve their problems and telling them to go to Nigeria with it won’t cut it. Or maybe the person has given up on america and just want to go back home and even a 1k bonus will do
Actually $10k (saved and in your account!) is a substantial sum anywhere. We know most Americans, far from having any savings, owe all sorts of credit cards. Landing in Nigeria with $10k in the bank is very different from landing in Nigeria with no money. So $10k is a significant incentive
dazzlingd: You really.like arguments. 10k dollars is too.small to tempt an average person in US to return home, or else if the person already had plans of returning and looking for transport and pocket money. But 10k to abandon the American dream and return to Nigeria? No average Nigerian will accept that except the hopless. You are free to keep browsing news in the worst case scenario to argue.
No, YOU like arguments
OP did not limit it to America, and you know that fully well! Even then there are many in even America who'd go for a chance for a fresh start in Nigeria, with a clean record, clean image, and $10k in the bank - which most Americans don't have and vast majority of their future neighbors in Nigeria won't have!
CanadaOrBust: Americans live paycheck to paycheck because they have systems in place that would take care of them in case of financial emergency. So they live above their means and owe money. If they are serious, they can live below their means and save
Well, we are going by what they are actually doing, not what they may hypothetically do. Simply put, majority of Americans don't have any savings at all, and I don't think it is by choice as you postulate!
dazzlingd: If you want to check data close to accurate, use statista.com to check average income in america state by state and among different age groups. I don’t know if you have access to the website. You will understand why America is America. There is no place in the world where there are no failures and never do wells, but on the average, you can’t compare america to Nigeria in any aspect in terms of wealth. How many people earn 10k dollars per year in Nigeria? Or how many people save 1k dollars at the end of the year in Nigeria. A whole graduate will work 10 hours in a day Monday to Saturday and at the end of the month collect 100k
A student can easily make between 1,500 to 2k in US doing part time work, that’s working maybe 3 times a week for 20 hours and still manage to save like 500 dollars at the end of the month. A real hustler can make 3k to 4k doing menial jobs in US and save a good amount of it. I’m talking on the average. I am not arguing with you googling up stuffs from the internet, and my question, have you lived in the US before?
I would have seen this thread and kept silent but it won’t be good to discourage people looking for a better life, it is worth the effort to seek a better life if your current environment isn’t giving you the best, give it a shot and many have tried and become successful. There are people here in the US that the kind of wealth they have built over the years they worked here, they would never have achieved it in Nigeria in their life time
Of course I agree with you on all that - am I not the one who argued it is better to japa anywhere you choose with $1k than stay permanently in Naija with $40k?
But then you took it too far by saying that NO abroad person would return to Nigeria if given a plane ticket and $10k. Which is not true at all!
Also, remember there are many Nigerian traders and such who are extremely wealthy but are not part of the "job market" or statistics. Likewise there are Nigerians in US/UK who are not doing well at all, some even suicidal. Take this poor lady below, do you think she'd hesitate to take $10k and return to Nigeria??
dazzlingd: Stop arguing with figures picked on Google. Have you lived in the US before?
What do you have to say about the statistics that 80% of Nigerians live on less than $1 a day. This report was made when dollars was like 200 or so. Which was very unrealistic.
So someone from UK sees that on Google and assumes people are eating from the refuse in nigeria
Well, a substantial amount of Nigerian economy is informal or under the table - so no way to include them in statistics. Not so with with US/UK. Any statistics you see about them are very close to reality
TheEnforcer: That guy has no idea what's he's saying. You better stop debating with him.
You people are funny. Did the OP limit it to those who are doing well??!!
How about all these Nigerians we see online all the time begging to be brought home? How about all those we see brought back by plane? How about those who relocate home without being given a penny? How about the old who can't afford the fare?
Stop arguing blindly: There are many Nigerians who'd return home if offered plane ticket and $10k incentive!!!
Jman06: In all honesty, this is a very myopic opinion and I am disappointed that even @Dominique supported the op.
Evil people cut across all social-economic classes in the society. One thing I have come to understand is that there are people who are naturally evil and it has to do with their neuropsychiatric make up. While I believe that envy can trigger such people, I know also that many financially bouyant people belong to that group.
In fact, op let me inform you that making wealth require some level of evil tendencies! That is why old thinkers and theologists recorded it in the Bible that it will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
I know that op is still young and inexperienced (from his post) and might not even be as rich as his post might make him appear, but I'll like to warn him and others with similar thought to expect more evil from rich people around him. Some call it COMPETITION but it is unhealthy one. That is why one politician would assassinate another or indulge in campaigns of calumny in other to pull his or her opponent down.
That is also why some competitors in business send assassins after their competitors or set their business premises ablaze. The list is endless.
A good number of those men you consider evil for being poor are men who don't have the heart to indulge in the evil others do to make money. Agreed that there are those who might be lazy, but you and I know that it takes more than physical strength to make wealth. While I also know that there are those who legitimately acquired wealth cum those who inherited wealth, the majority of wealthy people especially in an evil society like ours made their wealth through one crooked means or the other. A good example are those in the political class.
So, op never despise the poor men in our society because wealth is fleeting and no condition is permanent.
My responding to your post doesn't mean that I am poor or something, I just needed to put things in the right perspective because this post of yours is wrong in its entirety.
This is THEORY. In PRACTICE there is such thing as human nature. Human beings tend to envy those who are doing better than them especially their mates, not those who are doing worse. And envy is a very powerful emotion indeed! See screenshot quote below.
This guy below has very good, balanced advice (Especially "Envy easily grows when your success is in their face all the time"
Hence stories of nannies killing or hurting their wards - they are jealous of the parents' success
pansophist: My advice for anyone reading this would be this. Help people if necessary, but think twice before you share the same living space with them.
Envy easily grows when your success is on their face. Especially when they know you from your grass period, and in their presence, you transitioned into grace. Think well before you share the same living space with someone that is far far below you on an economical level unless you are convinced about the virtue of the person.
To play the devil's advocate, a lot of people that are suffering are usually the architect of their own problems. ~The person you are pitying might just be reaping what he sows, and as they say, salvation is a personal journey. No matter how you water a stone, it won't grow into a tree, some people are like that.
Just as you are helping, your safety and well-being are paramount. Strangers and haters can do no harm to you, but it is those within that usually do, learn from the story of Cain and Abel.
dazzlingd: Minimum wage varies by state, most are on 15 dollars per hour. Minimum wage doesn’t mean a worker will have to settle for the minimum, some gets jobs within 20 to 40 dollars per hour for semi skilled or unskilled labor And I repeat, you can earn an average of 4k monthly doing menial jobs. People combine two jobs or more to even earn more under the table. I’m not using google to make my claims.
Now that’s menial jobs
But getting a degree in US, msc , mba , phd etc You can get a job of 90 to 120k for a start. Investment banking in US and consulting pay above 200k per annum with sign on bonus which can be within 20 to 40k. Which job in Nigeria can pay you this in 10 years?
Your math is very fuzzy indeed. You don't need Google. All you have to do is look at the number of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck (meaning zero savings). See below
Selfmotivated: $40k is about 17,653,200.00 Nigerian Naira. Nigeria economic outlook will swallow that money within one year based on the sky rocking inflation. No going back to Sodom...
Crenzywilliams: No it's about 26mita in Nigeria. And you can't do anything with that amount in Nigeria. Besides why will anyone want to return to a shithole country with no basic amenities?
Satazaa: hear you self fulfilling prophesy, with this mindset you are doomed for life, 26 million is nothing? give your average hausa grain or livestock trader or a typical and very resourceful Igbo spare parts trader that money for just five years and see, why would that money be anything if you are the boss of popping champagne and throwing money into ladies bear bear bank
timesuploaded: Na mugu all of them. People are even starting business in 2022 with 300k. I gave someone 500k over 3 yrs ago to start small tailor store, today the person don build house pass lintel level. Hausas wey dey sell indomie, meats for market, bag of rice dey cash out badly, these idiots talking down on $40kusd
People can't do simple arithmetic. Dollar is at 820 today, so let's say 800 40000×800=32000000 (N32m)
Seems like a lot of money, right? But what you folks are not taking into account is that Nigerians are certain kind of people - a show off kind of people.
Here's the TRUTH: A typical Nigerian who suddenly comes into $40k will NEVER quietly work hard with it, knowing it is not that big. They'd instead immediately become "big boy", buy better car, get better place with better furnishings, expensive funerals/weddings, upgrade their profile in society which comes with bigger exoenses, be show-off generous to relatives and friends, etc. Before long that money will be gone. Guaranteed! And they'd be back exactly where they were. Therefore for the typical Nigerian, to japa to a better place of your choice with $1k in your pocket is best!
dazzlingd: What of 20 dollars per hour, Some people do more than one jobs, real hustlers. Some make between 600 to 1k dollars at the end of the week. I'm not saying shit, I'm telling you fact
Well, I Googled it. See below. It is like $5 after taxes. It is simply impossible to save $10,000 in US in 3 months doing menial jobs
dazzlingd: Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back. People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria Other things may pursue them back but not 10k
There is no way you can save $10,000 in just 3 months while doing menial jobs in the US!
Ok, let's do the math: Let's say $10 per hour, take-home pay. So that's $400 per week for 40 hours. 400×4=1600 per month. 1600×3=$4800 for 3 months (assuming you save every single penny!)
dazzlingd: So is that the kind of examples u want.? Failures and never do wells. Well, I see the positive sides and you should be encouraged by the numerous set of Nigerians doing very well. There are so many Nigerians abroad that migrated and their lives have changed. I’m talking of legal routes not people that forged their ways. People go to US to do masters and get good jobs. Jobs they will never dream of getting in Nigeria. Do you know Nigerians earn between 90k to. 300k in their mid careers?
I guess you never read the OP. We are going by the OP's criteria - no one was excluded. There are also the old, the retired. So at least now you agree with me that if $10k were announced by the government, there'd be a huge number of people applying
dazzlingd: Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back. People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria Other things may pursue them back but not 10k
I can bet you this: if the government were to announce tomorrow that anybody who agrees to relocate back home would be given $10k, you'd be amazed at the crowd!
There are people who have never had $5k in their account since going abroad, plus they have all sorts of problems and bad record. Then there are the heavily indebted, the fugitives from the law, the mental, the homeless, the simply TIRED, etc Now you are offering such a person $10 or $40k plus a fresh clean start with no record, and you think they won't take it??!!
Treadway: brotherly, illegal immigrants are very very different from non-citizens. Non-citizens are legal with a green card..big difference. How illegal immigrant wan vote na. Inpossicant! And this is fact, I have many illegal friends, so I know. Anyone cheating the system somehow doesn't make it the norm o, and by the time they face the music for their actions they won't update you.
Brotherly, as illegals can get official state ID, and officials, including police officers, are NOT allowed to ask about immigration status, please explain to us how you'd know who is illegal. They can vote because the system wants them vote. Otherwise it is very easy to make sure they don't vote!
Eriokanmi: After reading some people's comments , I just dey laff. They don't seem to know the fact that the CBN knew what it was doing all along. They deliberately mopped up forex from banks , stopped disbursement of fx to bdcs expecially usd, reduced the SMEs wholesale and SMEs retail disbursement windows.
Now, they'd reverse their policies and dollars would lose value against naira considerably. He who has ears,.let him hear. EFCC is also working in conjunction with the CBN so, the guy could be right but I doubt the 200 naira he quoted and i guess he knew it, which was why he said may. 465 or 500 is likely cos we were at that level early this year before the artificial scarcity was introduced by the cbn..
You spoke too soon Dollar has gone back to above 800 again
Laple0541: Read the content of the link you sent my friend, the non-citizens in that context refered to legal residents with green cards and Dreamers who were brought to the country illegally as children but were allowed to remain under a federal program known as DACA.
If you only knew. IN PRACTICE they can vote, and do vote. Illegals can get drivers licenses, state id's, open bank accounts, buy homes, etc. You don't even need ID to vote and election officials are not allowed to ask about immigration status. So the truth is, in practice you can vote if you want to. I even know an illegal who went just to see them voting - and voila, they ushered him in and he voted! (Part of the rigging Trump keeps yapping about!)
See this post below, how things are done in practice is often quite different from what's written on the books!
Prince001: woww, u just giving false information too. I am example of aduro too, i lives in Germany for 20years now and i seek asylum aswell when i got here. if u know how to package your story no stress but most people are just stubborn they came here with naija mentality thinking they know everything even though we that lives here for a while try to tell them what to do better but they wont listen! My own time when i arrived here we were nort allowed to even to go to school unofficially by the people taking care of asylum seeker but i did it on my own without their knowledge cos its ones right in Germany if u want to go school. Fast forward now, its mandatory for everyone at least to go to school and learn german at least. the problem with most naija they want quick money but in western world it aint like b4 cos theyve tightened up the loop hole where people used to steal money from the system back in d days. So therefore, its always good idea to go for apprenticeship study then u can be easily integrated to the society or apply for unversity or poly program. even under asylum procedure u are allowed to study, ofcourse if u approched the people responsible for ur asylum proceedings they will tell u , u cant but trust me u can go to the school or the company direct either for apprenticeship or study program cos if they accept u, foreign office cant not deny ur admission. they will be force by the law to allow to go for it cos its everyones right here in Germany. good information is power and people should try to search for knowledge too on their own rather than listening to uninformed people giving false information up and down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prince001: woww, u just giving false information too. I am example of aduro too, i lives in Germany for 20years now and i seek asylum aswell when i got here. if u know how to package your story no stress but most people are just stubborn they came here with naija mentality thinking they know everything even though we that lives here for a while try to tell them what to do better but they wont listen! My own time when i arrived here we were nort allowed to even to go to school unofficially by the people taking care of asylum seeker but i did it on my own without their knowledge cos its ones right in Germany if u want to go school. Fast forward now, its mandatory for everyone at least to go to school and learn german at least. the problem with most naija they want quick money but in western world it aint like b4 cos theyve tightened up the loop hole where people used to steal money from the system back in d days. So therefore, its always good idea to go for apprenticeship study then u can be easily integrated to the society or apply for unversity or poly program. even under asylum procedure u are allowed to study, ofcourse if u approched the people responsible for ur asylum proceedings they will tell u , u cant but trust me u can go to the school or the company direct either for apprenticeship or study program cos if they accept u, foreign office cant not deny ur admission. they will be force by the law to allow to go for it cos its everyones right here in Germany. good information is power and people should try to search for knowledge too on their own rather than listening to uninformed people giving false information up and down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you! That's what I keep telling them. Once you get to some places there are "ways". But if you keep looking at the letter of the law or try to figure it all out in advance, you'll never go
pansophist: 40k USD sef too much. Some are looking for flights just to go back. Go to Milan, around the central stations with lots of African refugees wasting away, or Greece where they sell CD's to tourists, or even Biljmer Arena in Amsterdam, or Germany. These are places I know firsthand, don't know much about the Uk, only visited but I still think it is similar.
I repeat, not 40k, just buy a flight come dash them like 5k usd, then off to Naija de go. Listen to sukkot, he knows what he is saying. If you dont want to end up unfortunately abroad, never come as a visitor.
How you enter determines how far you go. At a minimum, enter as a student, better on a work permit, best is pr, but the VIP of all is to be married to a citizen and enter as a spouse.
You folks keep forgetting the criteria that you'd be dropped ANYWHERE in the world you wish! There are places you'd be treasured as an immigrant worker, legal or not. And they'd grant you asylum on the flimsiest excuse. Heck, there are places that'd even pay you to come. So you simply do your resrarch, choose the right place and japa! Beats $40k in Nigeria any day, which will quickly disappear with most Nigerians anyway - and they'd be back exactly where they were. This guy below went to Dubai without papers. Said he'd never come back again, infact said he'd burn his Nigerian passport!
pansophist: The reason why you didn't get much response here is that your post was a hypothesis. If it happens that there is an actual 40k waiting for anyone willing to relocate back to `Nigeria, you will be surprised that thousands will jump the queue and leave, even those with citizenship. Abroad is sweet, but you are overestimating it.
How market? So the thread did not get much response because it is a hypothesis As for $40k, I said so myself - there are Nigerians living in US/UK who'd relocate for even $10k. But most won't though. Not even for $40k
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