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Please, don't celebrate ignorance. When Jesus came, He came as a full man. Everything He did, He did so we could learn and follow. His life was our blue print.

Read this:
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is that word that was made flesh and He is God. Period!

The truth has been presented to you, but you have you choice to make. Of which you must account for.

Jesus is the way.

OtemAtum:
The sufferings of the world is not solely caused by Satan(Yahweh), rather it is part of the characteristics of life. Some places are filled with a mixture of suffering and peace e.g earth. However, the suffering of the earth could be minimised to the bearest minimum if we all have a good mentality of helping one another and giving to the poor, making the resources of the world circulate. If the rich can help the poor, the world would be better, but suffering will still never be totally eradicated because it is part of life on earth.
In the inner universes, there are zero sufferings but in the outer universes, one of which the earth is located, there are pains, sorrows, negative emotions, etc. But the joy of it all is that we are not remaining in a plane of existence forever. We transit from one to another.

Yahweh(Satan) is not the cause of natural and physical suffering as i said, but he could be a part of the cause of psychological suffering, but this applies only to those who worship him and expect so much of him to only meet with disappointment. That's psychological suffering. The fear of the hell fire of Yahweh as well as the development of a bad mentality e.g the mentality of the lord's chosen members are also psychological sufferings.

Thats why I have come to reveal what is God and how Yahweh himself was made by God Almighty.

All lies! All sins are ascribed to Satan and his colleagues! Period!

hahn:
There is so much suffering in the world and it all started when god(the Christian one) cast the devil out of heaven because the devil got jealous

First of all, according to the stories. Lucifer was actually god's favorite angel and obviously they must have had a good relationship before god made humans which led to Lucifer's alleged jealousy and eventual rebellion.

Considering the fact that god knew that creating humans would throw Lucifer in a jealous fit, it is all knowing afterall, and lead it to rebel why didn't and can't it simply touch the devil's heart to feel love to humans and forgive it of it's past misdeeds.

Since god was able to harden the heart of pharoah to prove a point then it should be able to soften the devil's heart to save humanity from the sin, diseases, poverty, suffering, wars, murders, genocide etc

I believe this should be the prayer point of every Christian:

There is no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of sinless blood. But the blood of Jesus does not apply to them. For sin to be forgiven by the blood, the recipient must be in the flesh not spirit. That's why sins cannot be forgiven after death when you become spirit. Even when God decides to show mercy, He sends them back to life to correct their errors. The forgiveness of Satan is an impossibilty. Strive now you're alive to be cleansed by the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

Besides, Satan does not have the capacity to repent. He's prideful and arrogant.

The Blood of Jesus saves.

OP, may God bless you. I thought of doing this.

People are busy quoting bible passages up and down without first sitting down to ask God questions about His word.

How many of you here making jest, quoting bible verses have taken a fast to ask God about these things; not only tithing, but clothing, drinking, smoking etc. Your easiest explanation is that we are not under the law. But who says we are under the law?. Is killing not one of the ten commandments?, kill and see if you will go to heaven since we are not under the law.

Note that, for the three times Satan tempted Jesus, he quoted the scriptures, and he was correct, but he misapplied it for the purpose of decieving. If he could attempt that with Jesus, what makes you think he cannot exploit it on the last days church?.

If any man dies and faces God in judgement, and it happens that tithing is necessary, please, what will you tell God? That it was not written or it did not appear in the New Testament? or that it was part of the law?.

Be careful people and don't be deceived.

0temSapien:
His spirit was captured by spirit beings like himself and he'll remain caged for a millennium.

SMH. The lies from your ferry tales are so shallow. Even a child can puncture it. The time is short and Jesus will soon come to take His people home and then Punish the liar and his colleagues. No wonder all these desperation. But he will fail!

Jesus Christ is Lord forever!

geoworldedu:
People often talk about the dastardly attitudes of the jewish god. They are silent about Allah. But come to think of it, both gods have wrecked havoc, accroding to the things written in their books. While the bible lucidly reveals the coldblooded murder committed by Yahweh in many instances the quran seems to be busy with the speeches of Allah. So we can infer that Yahweh killed more than Yahweh going by their books.
On the other hand, it's like the Quran has created more terrorists than the bible. So we may in thr light of this opine that Allah has killed people more than Yahweh in the indirect sense.

What do you think? Which of them do you think has wrecked havoc and committed more offences against humans the most, either directly or indirectly.

Let's put it this way, which of the books has groomed people for terrorism most. Analyses are welcome.

Come, tell your master to leave my Father's world and His children alone!

The devil is such an offence. A liar and a sore loser. The chief confusionist, number one thief and deceiver. But he has failed.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am (Jesus) come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

That's the killer, Mr Satan.

Jesus saves.

HappyPagan:
did he show us more love than His Father who failed to forgive us?

Why couldn't Yahweh forgive? What kind of Almighty Creator bears so much hate against his creations?


What if the garden of Eden was a prison. Adam and Eve trapped forever, until Satan came and showed them the way out.

Eat and be free. See as God sees. Be God. You are God. You weren't made for this garden, you were made for greater things.

Eve, bearer of life, she who was least enamored of God's qualities, listened.. and sought for knowledge from the tree of life... And when she had tasted, oh jolly jolly, she knew... oh yes she knew, like sweet jollof rice, she knew she had tasted life.. And Adam had to know too.

She gave her man.. And he knew... And he saw her unclothedness.. Her beauty uncovered.. the bare truth...
'We are animals too, I see what God sees'

But Adam like all men was afraid of the truth. It hurt his ignorance and made him feel depressed. He didn't like to be in control of his life, it was too much work for him. All he wanted was peace to do basic things. To think like God was too heavy a burden for his soul to bear.

His shame led him to seek leaves as shields.... He had seen his unclothedness, no other eyes should see it. But Big Brother wasn't impressed. He evicted them from his garden, and continued to torment them forevermore.

'Come back to me, I made you, don't leave me, I need your worship' Yahweh screamed at them. 'You are mine, you are mine, I will never let you go'

And they tried running, but Yahweh kept chasing, kept terrorising them, kept hurting them. He sent a flood to destroy their children, opened the earth to swallow them, sent disasters and plagues upon them, killed more of them than their enemies.

Like a crazy demented lover, Yahweh kept raging. Sometimes, he would calm and send his prophets to warn that disaster would come to those who didn't love him. Some days, he would rise up in holy anger and smite a few infidels. Then, one day, tired of it all, his Son Jesus arose.

'Father, take me, and forgive them'

The devil is a liar!

Any word of a king is law. God had said, without the shedding of sinless blood, there is no remission or forgiveness of sin.That is the word of God and it's law. God can not change His word. When Lucifer and his colleagues sinned, they had to pay the price of sin which is eternal death or present a sinless blood for atonement. But they couldn't, because they are all sinful. And no body can accuse God of hasty sentencing, because He has given them enough time to provide it. And since angels are not a race, but are made individually, each one fallen angel must provide his own sinless blood. In that case, no one man can die for them. So they remain condemned and doomed forever.

The day God renages on His sworn oath and word, He may no longer be taken seriously. That's why the sentence has to be carried out!

Oh thank God for given us (humans) His son to pay that price because we wouldn't be able to do it. And so, we have forgiveness. But see these devils, jealous, angery and bitter and full of hate!, because of the goodness we have received of God now seek to deceive and bring us down to the fire with them. I say it again, they will fail..!

God is love, and He loves His children. That's why He sent His son to die for us!.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world (humanity) that He gave His only begotten son. That whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The devil has failed already.

All the glory be to God.

0temSapien:
The prophecy of the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH is already coming to pass. Thank you NATURE.



See this also. Don't be surprised if this pastor starts up his own church as prophesied in the Doctufos.

https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/65#62480142

Why not! Orchestrated by the devil himself. Confusion is ascribed to him and his fellows. Senseless nature can not create sensible beings. You pip into God's word and adapt it to your carefully planned deception and call it prophecy. Do we not know that a lot of pastors today are not of God but of Satan, sowing seeds of discord and deception. And their evil deeds are blamed on the entire body of Christ? Get behind me Satan, you are an offence to me, your place shall forever be in the lake if fire!.

The bible prophesied about these lies and deceptions. And I know it's not over yet. But know this one truth, You will fail...! You will so fail....

jpmoriarti:
Worshipping God wrongly is actually far worse than not worshipping at all. Because when you worship God and you do not know who you are worshipping, just like most Nigerians or a bad pastor is leading you, just like most pastors in Nigeria, you end up actively orchestrating the kingdom of satan. The satan is a beguiling spirit. He deceives by letting you think you are worshiping God but you wont know you are actually helping him to build enlarge his kingdom. So you see why it is safer to be an atheist than be a worshipper in most of these Nigerian churches.

Hahaha... My brother, that's no safety in being an atheist at all!. You don't stop going to market because there are fakes and counterfeit, rathe,r you become extra careful to identify the original. That's the way to go here. Your position now is exactly what the devil wants people to take, but don't be deceived!

This is not right! We can't correct wrong with wrong. If the Senate president isn't doing the right thing, he should be removed constitutionally! With this now, should we be surprised to see this kind of thing playing out in our various state houses of assembly?.

One of the problems of our country today is that we have strong individuals who are more or less law to themselves, higher than even the national constitution, where as our institutions are like lions without teeth to bite. This is very shameful and condemnable.

jpmoriarti:
Frankly speaking, that building is no better than a stadium or a lecture theatre. Anybody going there for the purpose is finding God, is wasting their time.

Nigeria churches building edifices as though it adds anything different. Rather it impacts negatively on the people. Lots of churches, but a horribly corrupt society. Lekki 4th round-about alone has as many churches as the whole of Switzerland. What's the end? More unemployment and a rotten society. Thank God I have stopped going to all these meaningless and hopless churches. I will rather use that time for something more productive.

My dear, don't allow the doings of some men of God discourage you from going to church and worshipping God. Doing so, will have handed the devil a sweet victory over you. Remember, the bible said, we should not forsake the gathering together of ourselves. A United Church is a big threat to the devils agenda.

But I think, God has a big plan for the church in Nigeria. A new generation of fearless and powerful servants of God will emerge to take the gospel to the world for the final lap before Jesus comes. So far, apart from the USA, the only country as it were, that seriouly takes the gospel around is Nigeria. So expect infiltrations, adulteration and fakes, with lies and deceptions by the enemy in a bid to stifle the effectivenes of the church. Please, don't give up on the church of Christ. Pray for her revival and support her in any godly way. God bless you.

iQUOTE:
I love non virgins, they're as real as they come.

Being a virgin is just a waste of time. It holds little or no value these days. I can never marry a virgin after what I experienced in the hands of one. They're too naive and timid for my liking.

No man breaks God's laws and goes unpunished! Be careful what you encourage bro. We are here for God and not for ourselves. We must account for our decisions. Wish you well.

jpmoriarti:
"However, the most high does not dwell in temple made by human hands" Acts 7:48.

I know there's no God in that building. All na wash! God dwells in your heart and in our neighbours in need of help.

So they should garther together in a dust bin and worship God? And use their money to buy beer, and cigarettes and carry women or what?

The bible you quoted also said, " where two or three are gathered together in my name, there in the midst of them I am", so said the LORD Jesus. True, He doesn't dwell there, but will it be out of place to make it nice and good? I don't understand you people.

wink2015:
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST STOP ALL THIS PROLIFERATION OF CHURCH BUILDINGS IN NIGERIA.

This has become the norms in Nigeria in recent times especially with the increasing growth of churches and it has worsen to the extent of each church general overseer bitterly and fiercely competing with other church overseer over choice land space in the country.

THIS IS NOT THE CHURCH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST SPOKE ON IN THE BIBLE.

Worst of all, all this edifice are taking important land areas that would have been use for Industrial areas that is a place where companies can establish industries that will create jobs in Nigeria.

From Lagos state, down to Ogun state to other parts of Nigeria it is the same story as greedy pastor are acquiring landed property that would have been used to create employment.

CHURCH DOES NOT CREATE CONVENTIONAL EMPLOYMENT AS THAT IS NOT THE CALLING OF THE CHURCHES.

The calling of the Church is to spread the gospel truth about the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD ENACT NEW LAWS TO TACKLE THE UNFRIENDLY SPIRAL OF OUR CHURCHES WHO ARE HELL BENT ON TAKING OVER MASSIVE LANDS SPACE MEANT FOR OUR FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

Governors and other politicians that are aiding some of this socalled men of God to carry out this nefarious act should desist henceforth.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! OUR CHURCH MUST LEAVE THE LAND FOR THE YOUTH AND FUTURE GENERATION THAT NEED THIS SPACE TO ENGAGE THEMSELVES JOB AND EMPLOYEMENT WISE.

Take for example, see the massive land that was acquired by MERCYLAND CHURCH ALONG THE EFFURUN/SAPELE/BENIN ROAD NOT FAR FROM THE EFFURUN ROUND ABOUT IN DELTA STATE. That is such a big expanse of land which could have been use to set up Industries to engage our youth.


The Adeboye, Oyedepo, Benson & Margaret Idahosa, God-dowell Avwomakpa, Ayo Oritsejafor, John Mark Igosotu, etc must leave our land for us.

STOP APPROPRIATE FUTURE LAND THAT IS MEANT FOR INDUSTRIES TO BUILD CHURCHES THAT IS NOT EVEN ADDING VALUED GROWTH TO SOCIETY.

Our Politicians must also sit up. So long as they continue to renege on their constitutional responsibility the churches will continue to invade land that is meant for public good, industrial growth, development and progress.

O Lord, please just let this man see hell just for 2 minutes!

Vanity upon vanity, all is vanity! If you only know how important the gospel preached from these churches are, you won't write what did now.

Our concern should be to rid it of gamblers and fakes. Not to stop it.

Bustincole:
See church like conference center, and you said pastoral job is not a good job


Im leavin my current job for a pastoral job


wit immediate effect

The hardest job in the whole world is to be a pastor. If only people understand this, most people will run away from it. They will receive harsher punishment if they fail. Their judgement is fiercer than that of ordinary persons. If you're not called by God, don't enter. I am not one though.

flyca:
Everyone is shouting "Halleluya", "Praise God" all over. No one has spared a thought to the inconvinence this has brought to the residents of Gbagada and environs.

When I get into authority, this one and many others are going down! Nanzenze!

' ...I will build my church and the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against it..' - Jesus.

No wonder the devil is attacking the financial aspect of the church. Hahaha... God is on the move! The next thing is a mighty spiritual rival that will shake the world. The King is about to mess up the kingdom of darkness. All these attacks are initial gragra.

Jesus is the way.

PaChukwudi44:
Jesus I know,Paul I know but who are Adeboye,Muoka or Youngi Cho? Who are they to distort the word of God? The bible warned us about this in galatians 1: 8-9

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you embraced, let him be under a divine curse!…
I don't believe any testimony or life experiences that is contrary to the teachings of the scriptures.So we should ignore the words of the scriptures and listen to the testimonies of David Youngi Cho? Are you for real?

FYI the teachings of the law were reinforced in several other OT scriptures and not just tithes but they were all annulled by the death of Jesus on the cross.The Apostles did not teach us tithing under Christianity. They never practised it.Who are thes emen you mentioned? Who agve them the power to institute tithing in Christianity to the extent of saying those who don't pay will go to hell!!!

Another gospel? No my brother, you're getting it all wrong. Remember I said, both proponents and opponents of this tithing draw their positions from the Bible. And I asked you, what position will God take on all these considering they are all in the scriptures. We all are learning including our pastors. You might think you know it all from the Bible, but be very careful. We must also watch out for deceptions.

I am not saying you must pay or not pay. Every body has his/her choice to make. But my point is considering all of the above, we must be careful not to quickly assume a position on this and indeed any other matter of the scriptures. There are clear and well documented stories of people who have died and are that were verified, who got a chance to come back at the command of God for the purpose of warning people of somethings they are getting wrong which leads alot of believers to hell. We can't just push all of them away because there are fakes, sure the devil will fake that as well. But we must look at what they say and compare it with scriptures!

Which is why I appealed to you to first find out about that man Yongi cho, what happened, what he was told and ask yourself if what he was rebuked of is contrary to scriptures. It's not a new gospel!. There's a very thin line between truth and lie and I urge you to be very mindful of the fact that we have some believers here who are not so matured Christians on this forum. People will naturally gravitate towards the easy part when it comes to obeying God.

The bible says when we hear a thing preached or what ever, compare it with scriptures. Scriptures must be compared with scriptures. If what these people are saying, mind you not one not two, I mean just look at the number of different persons saying the same thing of which they were guilty of and thought it not necessary. Shouldn't we carefully and prayerfully seek to understand it?. What if we go there and it turns out to be true how would you do. How many personalities reading this have taken a special fast to personally ask God about paying tithes amongst other things?

It's easy to quote scriptures to defend our positions but we must seek the leading of the Holy Spirit to guide us and not to use head knowledge to conjecture.

I am not a pastor, I do not take tithes. But based on the things that by the grace of God I have had privilege of seeing in visions as regards the coming deceptions, I am very careful and always ask God to help His people. The lies will look very genuine, scripture based and very difficult to disbelieve. The Lord warns us that in the last days many will fall away. Seeing all these, shouldn't we be extra careful how we approach things? Does the fact that an injunction was not repeated in the New Testament, make it inapplicable and unnecessary? Shouldn't we ask the one who made it? While we wait His confirmation, shouldn't we trade carefully. What is my fault here my brother?

PaChukwudi44:
stop been mischievious dear.The law of tithes was instituted by Moses in Deuterenomy and not by malachi.Malachi didnt institute any new law rather was quoting the jewish law originally instituted by moses.The death of Jesus on the cross abolished the entire jewish law including tithes.This was confirmed by the first church council in jerusalem.That was why the early church in the bible never practised tithing.The bible also makes it clear that any spirit that tells us anything contrary to what the apostles taught us in the scriptures is not of God.Any spirit that tells christians to tithe contrary to the scriptures is of the anti-christ.

Apostle Paul worked harder than todays pastors and never demanded tithes from his flocjk.Ditto the other apostles

The law of tithes was instituted by God through Moses and God reinforced it in Malachi, does that not tell you how important it was? By the way tithing existed before Moses instituted it, to show you that it was a divine mandate.

Since both you and I are accountable to GOd, I would rather that we get our conviction from him.

Pastor Adeboye have said something about tithing, and that it can cost you heaven.
Pastor Lazarus Muoka have also said the same or similar thing.
Pastor Yongi Cho said it from a first hand experience.

What is going on?! Are all these men deceiving us? Or we don't think they are of God?

Please my friend and brother, I would appeal to you to go through the link below. It's about the testimony of pastor yongi Cho after he had a near death experience. This man's case was well documented.

He is the pioneer pastor of one of the largest churches in the whole world. But when he had the encounter, the questions he was asked by the Lord Jesus Christ and the rebukes he got even as a pastor is very instructive to this discussion on tithes. Please don't disregard it. Please read it first before criticising it. Thanks

http://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/pastor_park/

Euouae:
You will make a good pastor!
Very good at twisting the Bible even when its boldly written

OK, thank you. That's your opinion though.

PaChukwudi44:
are you fucking kidding me!!!!! As at the time Jesus was born and presented in the temple has he already died for our sin? Was the law not still in force? I don't even know how you people even reason.At what point did the jewish law come to an end? was it not after his death? Even the much quoted matt 23: 23 by tithe apologists is not tenable because of this same reason

I think your miss conception is in thinking that after the death of Jesus everything in the Old Testament was done away with. That's no true. Jesus, before His death obeyed the law to the letter and according to Him it was to fulfill all righteousness. After His death, certain practices especially animal sacrifices was done away with, that's not difficult to understand now.

On that premise, Malachi comes in.

Malachi 3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The verse above clearly shows you God's commandment, a principle like sowing and reaping. Do you think the death of Jesus did away with that command/principle? No!

Where was the tithe to be brought? into God's storehouse. In the house of God or store house, who do you meet to collect it? Obviously God's representative, the priest or pastor.

At the time this command was made, majority, if not all the people where farmers, so what tithes will they bring? In some cases too, they where asked to bring the financial equivalent if the storehouse was too far and the tithe too heavy.

Today, we have lots of white collar, office jobs. Shouldn't they give their tithes? Does 'all the tithes' not apply to them?.

Are there not references of the Old Testament in the New Testaments, if everything there is abolished, then why use them as examples of what should be done?

Certainly, we have human greed playing out here as well with some pastors using it as a means of self enrichment. But that does not abolish the word of God. They will answer to God for that.

May God guide us all.

PaChukwudi44:
Abtraham paid his tithe voluntarily abi how come pastors do not want members to decide whether to tithe or not.Why on earth should someone say that people will go to hell or that things will be tight for those who don't tithe.

You have your choice to make dear, No one should force you at all. But at the end your choice will be evaluated with the written word of God. That's the crux of the matter. Where on God's scale will you and I will standn?. But no argument for or against any principle will make sense there. It all has to be determined here. God bless you.

midastouch:
Nice Arguement.

Let us recall an important event in the live of Jesus Christ that We also ought to replicate in our day. The event is described in the Gospel of Luke (Luke 2:22–40). According to the gospel, Mary and Joseph took the Infant Jesus to the Temple in Jerusalem forty days (inclusive) after his birth to complete Mary's ritual purification after childbirth, and to perform the redemption of the firstborn son, in obedience to the Torah (Leviticus 12, Exodus 13:12–15, etc.). Luke explicitly says that Joseph and Mary take the option provided for poor people (those who could not afford a lamb; Leviticus 12:, sacrificing "a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons." Leviticus 12:1–4 indicates that this event should take place forty days after birth for a male child

Why do Christians not offer a lamb (for wealthy ones) or 2 young pigeons (for poor ones); when they take their first born sons (that open the womb) to the Church?

Are we not also going to hell by not doing this?

Very good, re-read my post again. I said with the death of Jesus Christ on the cross every act of animal sacrifices was done away with, because Jesus shedding His blood once was enough. That's why, if we Christians, need to do anything in that regard, we simply plead the blood of Jesus which has already been shed. No more shedding is required. Jesus did it once and for all. Imagine, in this current economic realities, how many can afford it. But, there are other injunctions in scripture you can not do away with.

Jesus said it's finished on the cross, He fulfilled the law, but that does not mean the ten commandment is abolished. Disobey some of them without repenting and see if you will go to heaven. Does that mean you are living by the law? No! But because it is God's word, you cannot disregard it.

Only the Holy Spirit can truly tell you what applies now and what doesn't apply. My point is, don't quickly jump into conclusion on this matter it is very serious.

shurlermoz:
What do you mean by not truly giving the tithe to God?

I raised that point because, most people who choose to not pay tithe and also support this stand of not paying tithe are of the opinion that, the man/men they are paying these tithes to, already have money and are miss using their (tithe payers) money. If you you stand on that premise, it then means you never truely gave God the money, it is still yours hence your anger and agitation. If I know i've given it to God though physically, man has taken it, I shouldn't then fight the man over what he's doing with it. However, for obeying God's commandment, I will surely be blessed not minding who has taken the money. If at all I should complain, I will tell God to see what the pastor is doing with His money. Anybody with such mentality never truly gave that money to God and there can be no blessing in such case. My opinion though.

For those claiming tithing was abolished with the law, I ask, when Father Abraham paid his tithe to Melchizedek, was it under law or under faith?

jattopeter:
PLEASE HOW MUCH DID YOU PAID TO JESUS CHRIST BEFORE HE DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOU? IF TITHE IS PART OF CONDITION TO MAKE HEAVEN, OF WHAT VALUE IS HIS DEATH? JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN THE WILDERNES CRYING FOR REPENTANCE.

My dear, please understand my point. Paying of tithe is not to secure entrance to heaven. Put the monitory aspect out of your mind. It is a commandment, a principle. God doesn't use money. He is not interested in the money but in the obedience.The money is supposed to be used in the house of God and for the furtherance of the gospel. If any pastor real or fake, misuses it, it's between him and God, but you will still receive your blessing for obedience regardless.The Bible said to obey is better than sacrifice. You are not paying for heaven's gate pass, no never. But the act of obedience involved is what matters.

My concern is, both proponents and opponents of this issue, draw their points from the Bible. In the end, at the judgement, which side will God choose?. It's easier for us to assume, but it's not so easy. It could be true that tithe is no longer necessary, and it could also be true that it is very necessary. It is also possible that this whole thing now which all of a sudden began to gain momentum, is a trick of the devil to deceive. Don't forget, that every temptation Satan brought in trying to deceive Jesus was quoted from the Bible, and he was right, it was in the bible, but they where wrongly applied. No Christian, no matter how highly anointed can argue the scriptures with Satan without the help of the Holy Spirit, the devil will almost certainly win. We win him only on faith grounds not in reasoning and arguments. That's why I caution people to be wary what stand they take.

As for me, I will pay my tithe in faith not as fulfilling any law, after all it's my money. If I stand before God on judgement and He says, don't mind those pastors, they are liars, I lose nothing because I did what I did in faith. However, if I stand before God and He says it was true and necessary to pay my tithes, good and fine as well, i've escaped as well. Because, what is sin? Sin is simply put, disobedience to God no matter what it is, and the punishment of sin is death, eternal death. Knowing how serious that death is, should make you be very careful what you do. Don't do it like you're fulfilling the law, but as obeying a command. Remember Abraham payed tithe not as a law, but in faith. That's what I mean. Taking this stand will ensure that at least on this front, you are covered while focusing on other heaven certered matters, because going to heaven is a very big deal. Thanks.

PaChukwudi44:
nonsense teaching!!! So the entire jewish laws were abolished leaving only tithes abi? How come the apostles and the early church did not practise it? Even for you who claim tithes has not been abolished is the tithe system your churches run today anything close to the tithes practised in the bible?

Thank you. Can you explain what Jesus was saying or referring to in the passage below:

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Please, what is the 'other thing' they should not leave undone? Take note He made this statement shortly before going to the cross.

Jesus death on the cross put an end to animal sacrifices, ordinances and curses. But did not put an end to God's commandments. Why do you obey the ten commandments? We keep them not because they in themselves can save us, but because they are God's commandments and disobeying any of them even as a believer can take you to hell!. We are saved by grace through faith. What we couldn't achieve by keeping the commandments, Jesus did for us. But that didn't exempt us from responsibility.

You people are having head ache with this thing because you do not truly give the tithe to God. If you did, then it will not bother you what man does with it. You obeying the principle and commandments of God in faith brings the blessings.Let God handle this people. Remember what God did to Eli and his children for doing almost similar things.

See how Christians are fighting amongst themselves because of tithe. Yet, top satanists who knows the principal never fail to pay tithe. See, God's principles work for any body no matter who does it. But for a Christian to disregard his/her father's principle is a great disaster. I suggest you take a serious fast and ask God about this issue, don't take my word for it. Only ensure you don't go into eternity and be shocked. You won't come back to correct it neither can you win the argument of it's legal or not there. Settle it here!

ollah2:
You are brain dead

God bless you. In the end God not you will give the final verdict.

People should be very careful how and what they say about these things. Sin is simply disobedience to God. Tithing was commanded in the Bible. It has never been abolished! If you disobey it then, isn't that sin?. Do not join others because it sounds true, feels cool and appears real.

What will you people do at the end if you stand before God and He upholds it as necessary? What will be your excuse? Every deception of the devil has been contrived from the Bible as well. Stop quoting and interpreting the Bible with head knowledge else, you'll miss it. Ask the Holy Spirit to help you.

Some people will go to hell not for very big sins, but for very little things we see as insignificant and unnecessary. The devil is very tricky and smart. Be wise.

OtemAtum:
Oky, I have heard you. But do you think the op is right or wrong? Well, in the Doctufos of Truth, it was recorded how Yahweh was the first to be jealous, violent and stubborn. All these are evil deeds, I hope you know. Yet, we cannot say that Yahweh did all the evil at that time. So i don't totally agree with the OP.

Mr. otem, I don't know the yahweh you are talking about. He's definitely not my Jehovah Yahweh alright?. Based on that, we have no discussion. My God has no sin, cannot, no never be associated with sin, does no sin and condones no sin, the very reason why Lucifer and his fallen colleagues are going to be punished period! Look for the father of sin himself and interugate him.

All the glory belongs to Jesus Christ.

OtemAtum:
Well, doing evil is not really a functio of one personality. Anybody, no mtter what he or she is, can make mistake at any point in time. Yahweh actualy did much evil the beginning of the existenr of living organisms on earth, but he was not the only one who did evil back then. But why do we even border about the mistakes of the past committed by others when they hve moved on? I think we should think about our own lives and try by all means to avoid doing evil. PrimeSky what do you have to say? The Op said that your god Yahweh is the starter of evil.

The devil is always a liar. First, he will deny his existence and work under ground. Secondly, he pass the blame to another. That makes it perfect for his deception to work. Let me ask you, how many times have you seen a criminal in court pleading guilty instantly? They will always plead not guilty, blame others and give excuses for their crime even when everybody knows they are guilty.

Should I disturb my head because a satanist is trying to defend his master? Let him alone! The judgement is passed already, the verdict has been given, all we're waiting for is the sentencing to the lake of fire.

1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Sin originated with Satan period!. He's a liar, a thief and a sore loser!. he that committed sin is of the devil!

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The devil and his lieutenants know they are doomed, and they are scared to death about it. Because their eternal execution is very close. It's only humans who choose to let them deceive them with ferry tales and fantasy stories like you're pedling. You want to see how they fear their judgement? Hahaha... See it here.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

First, they worshipped Him, then they begged Him not to begin tormenting them before the time. You see, there is a set time for punishing these devils and fallen angels and they fear it greatly, but that time is fast approaching they and all their sons and servants, and loyalist will be punished together.

As for you Mr otem, try so hard but you will still fail!. No body and I mean no body can defeat the purpose of God. The almighty God is Yahweh, Jehovah, the I Am that I Am, the only wise God, eternal creator and savior, the sovreighn ruler of the Universe. Every knee will bow before Him.

Jesus Christ is Lord forever!

They call it having an affair...
Others call it cheating...
The Bible calls it fornication and adultery.

Sex if for married couples.
Sex is more of a spiritual act than it is physical.
Sex outside marriage and between non couples, is the most wicked SIN against self and God.

It's demeaning, steals your joy, peace, purity, boldness, innocence, calmness, health, dignity, pride, intimacy with God and opens one up for demon possession.

It's the simplest means of capturing a soul.
It's the easiest way to destroy any destiny ( too many empty containers walking about in fashionable clothes already!)
It's the most potent extinguisher of grace and anointing.
It's the fastest means of transference of authority and control to Satan.
It's the most difficult sin to forgive (oneself).

Take a stand and be decisive. Stand for something lest you fall for anything.

No excuse warrants it and no reason excuse it.

Your eternal future & destiny is worth more than the present illegal indulgence!.

Seek the grace, forgiveness & help of God now!
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OtemAtum:
How did adoption by the gods negate the prophecy of my coming? See what I am saying now. It's people like you that will see adopted children as second or third citizens. Where is HUMAN EQUALITY in your reasoning? Now let me explain the adoption to you: The gods al call me their sons, yet they didn't give birth to me. That's how the 'adoption' comes in.
Check the meaning of 'adoption' in the dictionary. It will help you better.

All the gods, I mean all of them call you their son. Hahaha... You see what I am saying? The demons work together when it comes to human deception but beyond that, they are never united. How on earth or in the Universe can you, one person, one spirit ,become the son, adopted son for that matter of so many different gods?

Fine, let's leave that one there. If you were adopted by all the gods, who was your original father? Did you just appear and they saw you, and adopted you? Because you said they didn't give birth to you. And I know that children who are adopted are born by different parents other than those who adopted them. Who was your original father or maker?

These gods have no chill at all. Lucifer told them he was going to make them great, and they were going to reign with him if only they can rebel against God. But now all they get is shame, regrets and eternal damnation. They in turn are telling you the same thing, and you are buying their lies. What do you think will be your end?

I feel very sorry for you because no man or even spirit, can serve too masters let alone so many gods. Hahaha... It's a very pitiable state you're in.

But their is hope, love, life & freedom in Jesus Christ. Repent and be saved now before it's too late. If you're a human being, I love your soul but if otherwise, I leave you for God to deal with.

OtemAtum:
Jehovah himself knows that he is a microscopic organism compared to God Almighty his creator.
God Almighty doesn't like being worshipped, please take note. God Almighty loved it when people use their brains and do findings scientifically rather than worshipping it. Read Adspiramen 1 and 2. God actually sent Yahweh and the rest of its creatures into all the universes to go and exploit all the planets and every other thing they could find. So, don't say that God Almighty wants worship. However, many of the gods, including Yahweh and Allah, love to be worshipped asif they can't survive a day without it, but rejoice because they are held captive in a spiritual prison at the moment.

Lucifer(Allah) and Satan(Yahweh) fought for power upon a mountain at Eden. Both of them rolled down and fell into a bottomless(intercontinental) pit they dug for human beings earlier. They were inside the boiling core of the earth for a millennium before they came out. Please read thr book of Tabioth. God Almighty who created them wasn't involved in the fight at all, so don't be deceived. Satan(Yahweh) and Allah(Lucifer) were the two fighters and who won or who lost is not my own business because I have not come to the world to monitor the two evil gods(Yahweh and Allah) but to declare the knowledge of God Almighty to the world.

God ALMIGHTY has made peaceful afterlives for every soul in existence. Also, concerning the gods who are the brothers of Yahweh and Allah, they have assured me that Nigerians and Africans at large will be free from mind slavery which the words of Yahweh and Allah have subjected them to. Olorun said to me, Otem, give the world peace of mind which Yahweh and Allah my brothers have stolen from them. The fact that I am the one to restore peace to human minds, is that not a good reward in its own? PEACE BE TO THE WORLD!!!

Hahaha... Very well, anybody can now see who you truly are, completely exposed. No way to hide or run away. I like that. The Bible says by their fruits we shall know them.

You said you were adopted and now you said your fantasy book prophesied of your coming. Please, don't deceive yourself again OK. Lies destroy.

Jesus Christ is the way.