BENTOSYN: That was the position after the meeting yesterday afternoon...however the meeting reconvened at 10pm yesternight where 1 figure, which has not been mentioned, was agreed upon to be presented to the president and announced at 4:15 pm today
kingslly: My brother i have also been searching for where they agreed to pay 30k Minimum wage ooh,all these headlines are misleading.
Typical of Nairaland, misleading thread topics. What I heard on the news this morning was that tripartite committee will PRESENT THE 2 FIGURES TO THE PRESIDENT. Nothing has been approved yet.
Ladyhippolyta88: The federal government the state government headed by the state governors are wicked.
You receive good salaries and allowances for being a public office holder and would not serve your country for up to 35 years like an average Nigerian worker yet your allowances alone can feed a generation. Nigerian governors are clueless instead of them to develop their IGR they wait for federal allocation and security vote to use to pay salaries and squander money. Labour should go on strike these public office holders should reduce their salaries and allowances so that more money can be used to pay workers
Maybe it's true government can't afford the minimum wage, but like they say, if it's not important to them there will always be an excuse for it, but if it's important to them they will find all means necessary to make it happen.
Accepting to pay the new minimum wage will mean government will have to work harder, here lies the problem, no one came to work hard, they came to feed fat.
kingthreat: You all should stop being sentimental. If minimum wage increases, all other wages too increase. Those earning 100k before will earn like 120k. This government that is presently borrowing to meet up to expenses, you want to stress above its limits? For those criticizing me, how much do you pay your maids, cooks and domestic workers. Thats if you have one.
That's not it, most private workers in Nigeria are paid below minimum wage. Go to Lagos, we have N10k jobs all over the place, that's less than the current minimum wage. How ever I don't think it's the 30k that's the issue here, I think it's about the top government officials, 30k is almost a 100% increase from the present minimum wage, that means level 15 officers that were receiving something like 200k a month will be going home with close to 400k. I think this is where the issue lies. Not the 30k.
I just love this guy. Nigerians are used to indirect system in politics, most successful politicians today benefited from this way of doing things. So changing it to the proper way of doing things will naturally attract a large number of enemies.
francis247: I think you're restricting your thoughts on this matter only to the romantic kind of love which is of course very logical seeing as this is after all the romance section.
This is the preceding version of the write-up. I didn't post it because I had initially posted it plus it would have made the whole thing too long.
Most things in life are never really considered a problem until and unless they become too much. Anything, everything, no matter how good, great, wonderful, awesome, beautiful, sweet, useful, helpful, etc. it might be never really looses its appeal until it becomes too much. Too much - Sometimes difficult to define, most times it isn't seeing as it can be very obvious to debate or ignore.
As humans, we're naturally inclined to like/love things, people, habits, etc. and we're equally inclined naturally to stretch this likeness/love beyond it's limits which has given birth to words and phrases like addiction, habit, too much, very much, etc. But where do we draw the line between a healthy likeness for something/someone interpreted as love and the unhealthy version of fondness for something/someone interpreted as addiction?
The health, wellness and well-being of our lives physically, mentally, socially, psychologically, etc. are largely dependent on a series of tasks, duties and obligations that must be routinely carried out. A habit therefore can only correctly be deemed an addiction when it begins to interfere or impact negatively on certain aspects of the health and general well-being of your life Physically, mentally, socially, psychologically, etc. Addiction is something you feel very very strongly about, like you cannot do without. It's something that your body, your brain, your mind wants even when you just finished having it. At an extreme level, addiction is a thing/habit that you just don't love, adore, extol and worship, no. You breath for it, live for it, sleep and wake up for it. You feel very strongly like you'll die for it, and as a matter of fact, kill for it. At this level, if extreme measures are not taken, addiction will rule until it eventually ruins its prey. When one or more areas of one's life suffers to the detriment of another or others, addiction as opposed to love might just be the right term to describe the kind of relationship you have with that particular thing or person.
The Other Side/Type of Addiction Nonetheless, there is the negative and the positive kind of addiction. Addiction for the right reasons, addiction/obsession to/for a particular thing in search of a solution to a problem can be classified as the positive kind of addiction. In other words, when you're addicted to something and that addiction is solution-to-problem based, then you have the right kind of addiction while the negative kind is that which creates problems or add to an already existing problem. When one is addicted to something for the wrong reasons, such addiction have the tendency to cause a problem, a myriad of problems or fuel an existing problem as the case may be.
Self Examination Time What is your addiction? Would you say you have the right or the wrong kind of addiction? Are you addicted for the right or the wrong reasons? Does your addiction or addictions have more of a negative than a positive impact or more of a positive than a negative impact on your life and that of those around you.
Proposed Solution Have you ever wondered why you stopped playing those very sweet and special games as a child growing up? Have you ever wondered how you suddenly without or barely knowing about it overcame those little bad habits your parents would repeatedly warn you against - like sucking your fingers, chewing your nails, sitting inappropriately, etc?
Simple - You wanted to stop/overcame, even though you may or may not have exactly recognized it. You were getting bored and tired of them even though a part of you still wanted them. You were subconsciously, little by little no longer desirous of them so you consciously began making little strides to do away with them as you grew older. Like a shoe, like a cloth, you outgrew them with little or no effort.
So why do we become adults and are unable to overcome an addiction when as children growing up, we at one point or the other overcame addictions? - Because we had to. We had no choice. Being addicted to those things that are characteristic of children meant that we were children and will remain children. We therefore had to do away with them because we didn't want to remain children, because we had to grow up.
But now you're an adult and you want/need to overcome the addictions characteristic of adults.
In as much as being and adult is literally determined by age, there are different levels of adulthood and this is not necessarily determined by age. We most likely have witnessed cases where children play some very vital role of a parent to their parent/s. I'm not referring to children taking care of their aged parents. I'm talking about children being compelled for one reason or the other to take care a/their young adult parent. This goes to show that even a child can be an adult as long as he/she can play the role of one.
To therefore beat that addiction just as you did when you were a child evolving into an adult, you have to want to, you have to really want to be be the the kind of adult of which you've always dreamed as well as recognize and remind yourself consciously of the need to become this kind of adult, a very grown up and well respected adult. You have to think and picture this superb adult version of yourself. As you do these, you'll find yourself replacing gradually those habits and addictions that have been holding you back. You'll find yourself making concerted efforts consciously and subconsciously to beat that addiction.
OK I get your point. But I think the words you are looking for are VICE and VIRTUE.
QueenBelle: read the post and think about it a bit. You will get it
I would not say this if I did not read the post. addiction and love is different from how people perceive you or is that not what the Op said? And where does love come into the picture, telling people to Bleep off if they say what you dont like?
Pls help me understand how the title relates with what the Op typed up there.
Jaguntimi: So as a Father whose got a daughter I treasure most .. coming online everyday, reading news about rape case comes with some kind of fear and chill .. but honestly the women, ladies i will say created for themselves the environment today.. Honestly if only women, ladies knew the emotional bondage they have put an average man in the society today mode of dressing .. now you cant walk the street without being forced to all sort of temptation with the now in vogue nudity.. some men after all this goes into the various homes and try to relieve themselves either by unholy masturbation, visiting brothels or the luckily married ones with their wives .. but what will you say about the broke, mentally incapacitated ones who can’t but control this emotional situations.. hence we find news about 4,3 years old been raped ..this is absurd and I’m not in support of this .. but whether you like it or not .. some human are just not normal In summary , what I’m saying is , the rape occurrence which has been frequent of recent can be curbed if women and ladies realizes the trend of dressing half or totally nude might be sexy but it has a toll on the society and the weaker ones are the ones suffering the consequences..
You got this wrong all the way up, even the title of the thread is way off. No woman wants to be raped even the sex workers, so I don't see where these women will dress for rape, if they feel good in what they wear then by all means let them. If you want to bring this up as an excuse for rape then, you should go all out if we want to react based on impulse -
someone says what you dont like give a punch on the nose, break his jaw , don't warn him or tell him to stop.
Someone stares at you the way you don't like, poke his eyes, don't ask him what he is looking at ,
Someone drives past and splash water at you pick up a brick and smash the person's windshield , don't just stand there.
But am sure you won't do all that I have stated above cos we don't live by impulse. Same thing is expected when you see a woman dressed with revealing clothes, you don't live by your impulse. Men that allow their impulse control them are not fit to be called humans, animals will be a better word.
stonemasonn: you can blame that on GEJ but not the past 16 years. Apart failure in providing electricity, if Nigeria has sustained the progress of Obasanjo’s 8 years in power, we would have gone far, instead we moving backwards.
True, but death had to take the replacement he hand picked - Yaradua.
seanfer: 1)It was Yaradua that Increased the Minimum Wage 2) Jonathan left less that $25B in our External Reserve and Just $1Billion ECA at at today the Foreign Reserve is above $43billion and the ECA is above $3Billion
Yeah you are right, you still remember, Yar'adua even proposed a higher minimum wage but the legislooters disagreed with him. As far as am concerned that's the Best president in Nigeria's history that was rigged into power.
Whynotthetruth: Since you aren't ignorant Oga plz tell us; 1)How much was minimum wage before Jonathan came? how much was NYSC stipend? Didn't Jonathan increase same and paid yet you accuse of mismanagement? 2)Oga Prof, what's our savings now? since price of crude has been relatively above oil benchmark... 3)What's the implementation percentage of capital projects since 2015? 4)What's debt ratio to economic growth since buhari presidency? 5)What factors contributed to recession if not Buhari's economic mistakes? 6)Is it a coincidence that he managed recession in 1983 & 2015?
If you want fact and figures I believe you are smart enough to find them, if not I can't help you, or better still flip through the pages of Nairaland you will see reports released by debt management office. But even if you read them you will refuse to see what's in front of you.
You can't compare the circumstances Buhari operates with that of Jonathan. Only people driven by sentiments do this, like you.
Buhari's economic decision was not bad, at first I criticized it, but obviously Buhari knew something we don't. Buhari banned importation of goods, implement the use of TSA, rigorous approach to agriculture, going after looted funds. Then he cleared the backlog owed petroleum marketers, more than 3 batches of bail out funds were given to governors to clear salary and pension areas.
If your GEJ government was such a success how come Buhari is the one paying off and clearing these debts, with how much? If you are being honest with your self you will see that oil crossed the $50 mark per barrel not long ago, even at that it's no where near, $110 per barrel, and you are comparing them side by side? how dumb.
I have told you guys go and read the American recession under Obama and its effects, you will see that Buhari handled the recession well.
OnyeOGA: lol. You are talking poo. In your first comment in this forum you were paddling lies that your "colonial masters handed over everything to Igbo but it backfired". If my people were handed everything to according to your lies the colonial masters would have done something when my people were massacred in 1945 in the north. During the colonial period, the British disliked the Igbos, because of their supposedly uppitiness and argumentativeness. “many thousands of Igbos were slaughtered in towns and villages across the north, and hundreds of thousands of others were blinded, crippled or maimed or in majority of cases, simply left destitute as they attempted to flee to the Igbo homeland in Eastern Nigeria. Some of the fleeing refugees did not make it home. On one train that arrived in the East, there was the corpse of a male passenger whose head had been chopped off somewhere along the line. Another group of Igbo refugees men, women and children whom I happened to see-I would say 100 or more of them-were waiting in the railway station in the city of Kano, the largest city in Northern Nigeria, for about three days, with no security guards, for the arrival of a refugee train, and a land rover full of government soldiers came and mowed them down with automatic weapons. Igbo shops and Igbo hotels were ransacked and looted, while blocks of non Igbo businesses were carefully left untouched”. (see minutes of Canadian House of Commons proceeding, external Affairs Ref. 7 pp. 239-40). Have you forgotten that self determination is a universal right? Keep on telling lies. It is a matter of time we would regain our freedom. cc Lzaa eternaltruths jumpandpas velocity25 shalomc immhotep pointzerom
Comprehension problem, who said our colonial masters handed everything to the Ibos.
Oga, I said Azikiwe consented to the constitution of one Nigeria, the total domination of Nigeria by the Ibos was the plan, but it backfired.
Does this sound like "our colonial masters handed everything to the Ibos?"
Or are you going to bend my words to fit your way of reasoning? Which is far from its true meaning.
mrvitalis: I'm telling you even if the national assembly work for free the money that would free up won't he able to pay workers half salary for a month
Or how else should I explain it to u
So how come labor believe that 30k minimum wage is attainable, surely they did not do guess work. Or do you think they got their facts and figures wrong? Cause these people don't look like don't know what they are talking about.
Am a Nigerian that wants a credible and innovative president. But I have not seen any that can defeat Buhari, so instead of giving my votes to either the Devil or the Deep Blue Sea, I will remain loyal to my control pad and stay at home during election.
hush15: Dont worry, we cutting more enough slack. Slack to go rest in daura. Ii am not playing with the live of nigerians. I didnt post the twisted facts, i only expressed myself by saying the truth. Buhari is worse than Atiku. When he took over as head of state, despite a coup plotter, what he do? how did nigeria fair under him? He is a complete failure. How can such be better than Atiku? The only good thing knows how to do is reward loyality is to allow his loyalist act with impunity.
i still dont understand how someone that over threw a democratic government and hasnt justified his actions with any tangible reason is been considered for president. In saner climes, he would be rotting away in prison, if not dead but life gave him a second chance and again, what does he have to show for it and you claim that such person is better than Atiku.
Look, i heard alot and heard it all but i would rather still vote Atiku cos as at TODAY based on INEC available candidates, he still has a more competent record. Some even say choosing between Buhari and Atiku is like choosing between the Pharaoh and the deep blue sea. Atiku is the blue sea and if you know the story, Isreal went thru the deep blue sea than returned to Pharaoh and they better off. Me prefer to go thru the blue sea o. i rather take my chances with Atiku
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LOL, Your expression gave you away. The Israelites crossed (The Red Sea) with the help of the Almighty. Otherwise they would have drowned trying.
But if am caught between the Devil and the Red Sea, I will choose Devil why?
You can negotiate with the Devil, but even the most skilled swimmers will still drown at sea - Wole Soyinka.
OnyeOGA: How long are you going to continue twisting history to suit your devilish purpose? says someone who doesn't know anything about the zoo history: During the slave trade, Igbo slaves were known to be the most rebellious. Most of the slave rebellions in the United States, Haiti, Jamaica, Belize, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados and Guyana were led by Igbo slaves. In South Carolina, Igbo slaves were reported to have drowned themselves, rather than be kept as slaves. Today that place is called Ebo Island in commemoration of the slaves who died there. The Gullahs are Igbo. Igbos were one of the 13 African ethnic groups that provided the bulk of the slaves who were brought to the Americas. Majority of the slaves who ended up in Virginia, Alabama, Tennessee, Maryland, Arkansas, Mississippi, South and North Carolina and Georgia were Igbo. An Igbo museum has been built in Virginia to honor the contribution of Igbo slaves to the state. One of the Igbo slaves who was sent to Liberia by the American Colonization Society-Edward Roye- became the fourth president of Liberia. Another Igbo slave, Olaiduah Equiano wrote the famous slave chronicles. During the colonial period, the British disliked the Igbos, because of their supposedly uppitiness and argumentativeness. During military service in Burma and India, the pride of Igbo soldiers amongst other African soldiers was proverbial. In the company offices and orderly rooms, the first few words from the White officer speaking to an Igbo soldier was followed by “don't argue, you! Or “you want to be too clever”, and similar expressions. Their expressive and aggressive mentality which they enjoy in their culture at home, does not always allow them to accept false charges or accusations without responding. The late famous writer, Langston Hughes, observed “the Igbo looks proud because he is bred in a free atmosphere where everyone is equal. He hates to depend on anyone for his life's need. He does not mind if others look proud. He has much to be proud of in his land. Nature has provided for him. He is strong and able to work or fight. He is well formed. He is generally happy in his society where no ruler overrides his conscience. He likes to advance and he is quick to learn. He likes to give rather than take”. In his book, the Brutality of Nations, Dan Jacobs describes the Igbos “as ambitious, dynamic and progressive people whose education and abilities did not endear them to those among whom they lived. Even during British rule, there were massacres of Igbos in Northern Nigeria-in Jos in 1945 and in Kano in 1953. The Igbos have acquired the sobriquet, Jews of Africa”. Politically, the Igbos are very effervescent and volatile. According to author Dan Jacobs “for Britain and for the British civil servants who continued to work in the Northern Region, the Igbos have always been a troublesome element in the federation, a people with a democratic tradition who are not easily controlled. Many British were glad to see them out of a central position in the federation, as were those who had driven them back to their homeland and those who now held the civil service and other jobs they had left”. “one could hear on Northern Nigerian radio the reading of long lists of Igbos who were targeted for extinction”.-see Goddell team report, congressional Record of February 15, 1969, pp51976-7. The Igbos believe, and rightfully so, that had they not fought back, their fate would have been worse than that of the Tutsis in Rwanda. The same way Northern Nigerian radio was exhorting the Hausa/Fulanis to kill the Igbos, was the same way Radio Milles Collines was exhorting the Hutus to slaughter the Tutsis in Rwanda. Kid! I can still go on if you insist. Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. Cc; horsepower101 lzaa immhotep gidgiddy
I didn't say I was hiring, so I have no need for this Ibo resume you presented. If you were so emancipated as you said, you would have addressed the post you quoted, did Azikiwe consent to the constitution or not? If you want to answer this question with tribal history of the slave trade then we should stop here.
Your narcissistic approach to the slave trade is an insult to the loses other tribes and countries have suffered. You think the world of your selves but to others you are not significant in their struggles.
cute9ja: Our problems in 'Our current democratic era' started 16 years ago. It's as simple as that.
And you think the large crowd of ignorant nairalanders will understand this? Even with all this the FG is looking to implement a new minimum wage, just some months after coming out of recession. If Buhari was indeed the reason for recession how come he was able to take our Foreign reserve from $30bn to over $40bn within 3 years, if he was the problem he should have depleted the foreign reserve.
which PDP created the problems when in actual facts the real people behind the nations woes are in APC. BMC people think they are smart.
they think they can use this against Peter Obi but they are being penny wise and pound foolish because all those that vehemently opposed it are in the APC today. All of them. from Ameachi who was the leader of the pack, Amosun, Aregbesola, Ajimobi, Oshiomole, to Fashola. They even took GEJ to court on the matter.
These same ones are running the affairs of the country today and we wonder why our economy is going south!
Thats one.
Even if that was the case, i thought thats was Buhari was voted in to be the hero of the day. He said their government would hit the ground running but after being sworn in, 5 months later we were still waiting for the almighty list of super heroes ministers but in the 7th month, He can out with a bunch of thieves and inefficient names that were a disaster in their disciplines.
Thats 2nd.
Since they start in 2016, none of them had sense to start the savings recommended by Iweala. Rather, they were just borrowing, left, right, center. Its tells you that its not what about Peter Obi said, its about the fact that even this present government doesnt have the common sense to do it. In 2019, Atiku and Peter Obi will revive the saving culture again as those ones that doesn't like to save are not in the PDP any more. Thats why Atiku will be President and Peter Obi shall be our Vice.
What should they save? Do you know what ECA stands for? Since your post is devoid of how things works let me define it for you, ECA stands for Excess Crude Account.
When oil is selling for over a 100$ per barrel under GEJ Nigeria had more than enough so we save the excess.
Under Buhari crude oil dropped to 28$ per barrel, will you save when this was not even enough? And which money was left by the last administration for the Buhari to start performing magic with?
After all you said, you had the nerve to mention Atiku and Obi as antidotes to our problems, do you even realize that Atiku has a fraudulent record that is still fresh in our minds? Must you play politics with the lives of Nigerians? Taking advantage of their plight?
If you understand how running a country works you will cut Buhari some slack. Buhari has not lived up to expectations, but he is far better than Atiku. Bring someone better, not Atiku.
Yyeske: You don't know what you are talking about, the money shared was the extra crude account(ECA)created by OBJ. It had $21 billion as of when it was given to GEJ to manage. The governors found out the federal government was taking out of the ECA illegally when it was stipulated by law that every dollar taken from it must be shared with the federal taking 52%, state and LGA the rest. This was why the governors went to the supreme court and the FG had no option than to share the rest by the ratio mandated by law. Question you should be asking yourself is this, the FG finally got $2.1 billion which is 52% of the money after the sharing, this means what was remaining in the account was about $4 billion, remember it was initially $21 billion, so $21 - 4 billion is $17 billion, where is the $17 billion?
These are the little details that a huge crowd of ignorant Nigerians will never understand. The Governors did not wake one morning and asked the ECA funds to be shared, when funds started disappearing and could not be account for, that's when Ameachi said the Finance Minister could not be trusted with the funds it should be shared.
It makes you wonder, how could a huge population of Nigerians can be so ignorant.
lionness: GEJ left a staggering debt all the money looted by his Ebos ministers and cabinets. The only real minister in GEJs cabinet was a Yoruba man who handled agriculture, every other minister were criminals and failures. Even Obi was part of those crooks. And I'm supposed to vote for a thief who did absolutely nothing in his state and left heaps of gbese. and Bubu has now saved over $20 billion and borrowed less. Bubu met dozens of saboteurs, from sponsored MEND who bombed oil lines for over two years to IPOBS who tried to kill his government and a rogue and useless NASS controlled by the opposition among delayed bills and sickness. You know when they say someone is Godsent and willing to do something with little. Yet the same man is fixing Lagos Ibadan, Sagamu, Lagos Aboekuta road, Rail lines linking Lagos Ogun and Oyo. Rail lines linking PH and Abuja and Lagos etc. we have better light and Bokoharam reduced to protesting and newts. Baba met a dead country, and today you see jobs posting daily on nairaland, only the useless youths stay on nairaland blaming their forefathers daily...a lot is happening and Thats why the Indians and Chinese are flooding the country. Bubu is building the Niger Bridge for these useless ingrates, fixing several SE roads that their gods and sons who looted the country dry didn't do for them. Atleast you know some folks are pathetically in love with corruption and trash... PDP has shown it's a criminal entity with adopting those big thieves and flanking itself with all the confirmed looters of NASS. My SE and their love for looters. Hian!
Some will think you are an Afonja or a zombie for this post, it's that bad now.
hisgrace090: Her statement is the root cause of recession but it remains till date no change.
Pls try and make a research on how long to took America to get out of recession, how much they had to pump back into the economy?
how much they had to pay for bank bailout funds?
what people lost?
how many people woke and discovered that their life pension is gone?
We are talking the most sophisticated economy in the world here. Do that then compare it with Nigeria recession and how Nigeria went about theirs and how long it took.
kolaaderin: Is this not the fact, why is it that some do no good and those without conscience want us to believe that Buhari caused the recession. They should have come for Ngosi after saying this but will rather ignore as if this video never existed.
Those who want to stop this government are simply enemy of progress as this present administration has managed to pull us out of this mess GEJ whose lack of political will caused us the recession.
Dont quote me, direct your queries to Ngozi and then argue with your keyboards or keypads if you are one of those brainless people to return us to Egypt.
Na men, don't waste your time, the children of hate have already been blinded, I won't be surprise if they are already color and facts blind. They will watch this video but won't see anything, all they will see is a woman wearing a native attire speaking French.
Politics › Re: FG Agrees To Pay N30,000 Minimum Wage As NLC Suspends Nationwide Strike by pryme(m): 1:44pm On Nov 06, 2018
, don't warn him or tell him to stop.
a president who lies to 170million people about his waec certificate is not fit to rule again come 2019..