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petra1:
You're getting me wrong. When I say divine protection gives you wisdom. Do you know what the wisdom of God is. If a man is meant to die in an accident and he changed his mind about entering the car . Or the conductor was even rude and he enters another car . And few minutes later he passed and see the car he left in flames every body dies . That's the wisdom of God that shielded him from entering the car. Same for business.

So divine protection saves u from accidents but is useless against armed robbers?

Jozzy4:
Kindly Show me where the bible said this before they were born ?

Happily
God said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” He said this before they were born, before they had done anything either good or bad; so God's choice was based on his call, and not on anything they had done. 13 As the scripture says, “I loved Jacob, but I hated Esau.”
Romans 9

Other animals have their methods of communication. Not speaking is definitely not a curse. But if u can't see that the cause of the pain during childbirth is that the child is bigger than the vagi.na, then common sense is not your friend.

blackmantis:
Op Animals have mouths like humans but can't speak. What if the ability to speak were taken away from us would you say since animals don't speak we are not supposed to speak?

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should dismiss it.

You just typed trash... The bible claims that the only reason women experience pains during childbirth is because of a curse by god. But a look at the animals shows that there is no supernatural reason for the pain, it's just simple common sense.

alchemist13:
Moreover, only an argument can be a non sequitur not a question. So please provide an answer and stop dodging.

It's a tactic called "the dodge". Made popular by felixomor

Christians have been trying to confirm bible prophecies since the beginning of the religion and they have always gotten it wrong... Seems like they have been deceived

Immorttal:
what makes you think they haven't seen this thread?

lolz, we can't just assume now. We have to give them the benefit of doubt

Lemme help u call some of 'em. felixomor DoctorAlien Image123 pidgin2 Anas09

Jozzy4:
Simply because he didnt appreaciate Spiritual things by giving up his birthright for one meal . So Jacob was rightly entitled to the blessings meant for him Since he has contracted it for a meal . He serves as warning for today's Christians

Hebrews 12:16
and watch that among you there is no one who is sexually immoral* nor anyone who does not appreciate sacred things, like Eʹsau, who gave up his rights as firstborn in exchange for one meal.

That's not why... The bible says before they were born, god already loved one and hated the other

Damn, this question never crossed my mind. The bible is really total hogwash.

Nihilist:
Another one bites the dust. You were the one that just gave us a 'common sense' criteria for comparison. Oya apply your criteria to the original post and you suddenly remember that you don't like to compare players.

What's doing this one?? ... My initial comment was about Messi and Ronaldo, two players I watch regularly, so it's totally reasonable when I say I don't like composing players I didn't watch. Seems u are just annoyed I didn't say what u wanted me to say.

Nihilist:
Apply your comparison to Gerd Muller and Maradona and give us your conclusion.

I don't like comparing players I didn't watch when they were playing... Anyways, Gerd Muller was a prolific goalscorer but so was Stefano, Puskas, R9, CR7, Messi, Raul, Van Basten, Pele, Romario, Eusobio... So is Gerd Muller top 5 strikers of all time? Most likely.
But when it comes to dribbling... Only Messi and Garrincha can be mentioned in the same breadth as maradona

Nihilist:
This is just the biggest pile of B.S ever.

Why stop at asking for playmaking skills from the GOAT? Why not ask for goalkeeping skills? or defending skills?

Afterall Lev Yashin and Cannavaro have both been voted the best players in the world on occasion.

Being the GOAT has to do with exception individual contributions to winning trophies on several occasions, in ANY way possible. If you're a striker scoring buckets of goals then you have a shout. A playmaker creating mad chances and controlling games, you have a shout. Defenders making mad tackles interceptions and keeping cleansheets, then you have a shout.

Not the nonsense you wrote up there

This is simple common sense...
Ronaldo is a great goalscorer. But Messi is as good, if not better than he is at goal scoring. The stats show that.
Now Messi doesn't just stop at being a great goalscorer. He is the most creative and the best dribbler. That's 3 in 1.
So, simple question. A 3 in 1 player and a 1-in-1 player. Who is better?

felixomor:
Keep insulting those old enough to be your parents.

You have to admit that 4everGod has issues... He denied his other moniker and was quoting and replying himself... That's just so fvcking weird

I remember a thread where a person listed Christian terrorist groups and the Christians were saying they were not true Christians..
Double standards and Christianity go hand in hand.

felixomor:
If people like u were the verifiers of common sense,
Then everybody would gladly choose "foolishness"

So tell me, why are u foo.lish? Is it a choice or is your foolishnesss God-ordained?

felixomor:
U knowu have problems with English.
If i were u, i will try to avoid the language as best as possible.
Honest advice.

Well, u have problems with common sense... The sad thing is u don't know it.

Seth Johnson, the 7 year-old child of Timothy and Sarah Johnson, recently died from pancreatitis and acute sepsis. This could have been prevented if Seth’s parents got medical help for their son, but instead relied on prayer.
The Johnsons noticed that their son was ill, but refused to do anything because they had “issues with doctors.” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman released the following statement:
“The parents admitted to police that his behavior had changed, that he wasn’t sleeping, was throwing himself down stairs and was taking hours to eat. Yet, they refused to do what most parents would have done and take him to a doctor”
Upon returning from a trip, the Johnsons came home and found their son laying on the floor, but refused to call 911 and prayed instead. The next morning, the Johnsons finally did seek out medical attention for their son, but it was too late. The paramedics found Seth covered in his own vomit and pronounced him dead when they arrived to the scene.
The Johnsons have since been charged with neglect of a child. This is another sad example of how religion and pseudoscience can have deadly consequences.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/accordingtomatthew/2017/01/child-dies-because-parents-prayed-instead-of-calling-911/?ref_widget=related&ref_blog=accordingtomatthew&ref_post=no-atheist-kids-are-not-more-altruistic-than-religious-kids

Yeah, Obama is definitely not a Christian. How do I know this? The Op and felixomor just said it.

Some very interesting stat about Messi Assists..
A. Lionel Messi has gone 11 games without an assist, his
teammates has missed all the 31 chances he created in this
run!
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B. % of Messi's key passes scored per Liga season:
09/10: 15%
10/11: 27%
11/12: 17%
12/13: 26%
13/14: 15%
14/15: 19%
15/16: 21%
16/17: 07%

sebod:
The same way you guys are catching Pedro now abi?

Or the way they are catching 35 year old Ibra, or David Silva, or Mata or Cazorla... These players are not fast too now

Splinz:
Bro, save yourself the stress. You have your own beliefs (whether non-belief) and I also have mine.

So far, my own beliefs have serves me so perfectly well that I need not learn anything from you (at least as it concerns my faith as a Christian).

These talks of God being evil bla bla bla wouldn't change my own convictions personally learnt and experience. If you're an atheist or whatever, fine! I am a Christian and believed wholeheartedly in God and His righteousness. Deal with it.

PS: I wonder what makes you think I've not read Dan's books.

My comments are not to convince u but for the open-minded people who are still Christians and can overcome the fear of hell ingrained into then since childhood

Splinz:
Hmm. I never knew you're now a believer bro, or is it only this story that you believed?... .

Anyways, God has never commanded a human burnt offering. So, what I believed is what I've stated and it is in perfect harmony with other Scriptures. Jephthah never burnt his daughter, and that's it.

Nobody is saying you shouldn't believe your own as an atheist or whatever. Great you guys are now believers of the Bible...

So the basis of your conclusion is that God has never commanded human killing?? He actually tested Abraham with that exact same thing. If God considered it so terrible, he wouldn't have tested Abraham with it.
The bible clearly says burnt offering, you can't prove that he said otherwise. You just looking for excuses to continue believing in a God that's so ostensibly evil.
BTW, the best books of fiction are a mixture of both facts and fiction. Just read any of Dan Brown's books.

matrix600:
you're crazy, your stupidity is quite amazing, telling us 'burnt offering' means service to god. Ridiculous.

I wonder... When something as BURNT clearly written on it... Maybe he knows more than the bible

Splinz:
Bro, I have seen both of these arguments, no be today.

It makes no sense at all to wail over your virginity instead of your actual dead.

I've done my own personal studies and reached conclusions. So, thanks for your input.

Actually, it does make sense to wail your virginity. At those times, having children was the point of being a woman, or a human being for that matter.. So if she had a child already, it won't be to tragic. But the tragedy was that she died without an issue....
This is the promise he made:
" 31 I will burn as an offering the first person that comes out of my house to meet me, when I come back from the victory. I will offer that person to you as a sacrifice.”
And the bible records that he fulfilled that promise. So who should I believe, the bible or Splinz

Splinz:
And I said God never and will never ask for such a sacrifice because He clearly abhorred and condemned it in the strongest of terms.

Yes, He is not answerable to anyone. But at the same time, He doesn't abuse His powers!

The vow wasn't consecration, it was burning whatever was the first to come and greet him... He actually burnt his daughter... She bewailed her virginity because she was to die a virgin without any issue

barapistis:
the scripture becomes very tough to understand when a preacher is too focused on the teachings of paul...what was the message of jesus

Jesus never had any female apostle... The 12 were all men. Even though it was a woman that was with the alabaster box, she still want considered worthy

Op, Deborah and Esther never preached in church. Deborah was a judge while Esther was a queen. The bible was clear when it said that women should be quiet... It was reiterated in other places too, all in the new testament...
The only reason the church and Christians allow women to preach now is because the church is trying to modify it's principles to align with the general ideals of this time and age. When the bible was written, women were not considered equal to men... In fact the bible explicitly says woman was made for man and not man for woman.
This just goes to show that the bible and it's principles are not infallible and not for all times and purposes

Richirich713:
This study is nonsensical :

How the hell is the dictator game a great measure of altruism?



Why was this study published in a biology journal instead of a psychology/sociology journal? Was this even peer-reviewed?

There's several flaws in this study, as I suspected :

•www.patheos.com/blogs/accordingtomatthew/2015/11/no-atheist-kids-are-not-more-altruistic-than-religious-kids/

•www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/11/physicist-slams-pseudoscience-showing-atheist-kids-altruistic-believers/

•wmbriggs.com/post/17238/

At last after decades of searching, u found something
Anyways, the dictator game isn't the only parameter used. It was just one of the many parameters. The children were also shown film of children pushing each other to gauge their responses.
Also, in the first link u posted, the guy was criticizing the researchers because they were neuroscientists conducting a sociology or psychology research. But the guy himself was a physicist. So, on what basis was he criticizing the methodology employed.

felixomor:
Where n is sample size
P is prevalence

But obviously, i know u cant interpret that because its not your field,
Obviously.
Thats why u have prolonged this discussion unnecessarily.

This isn't hard u know... Gimme the appropriate number for a sample size of children between 5&12

Richirich713:
That's not proof? Don't give me quotes from them supporting their own studies.

It's not a quote by the people who made this study... It was from PEW RESEARCH CENTER. Can't you read?

Richirich713:
There's no specific number, different studies required different portions. U cited one study so far featuring only +1200 kids. That can't be considered a fact or proven. I'm sure even atheists here reject this study since they usually demand proof.

The Pew research center, one of the most respected, especially when it comes to religion has this to say.
Because of how the margin of sampling error is calculated, decreases in the margin of error get smaller as the sample grows. This is why so many polls have samples of around 1,000 or so.
Seven reputable universities all over the world conducted this survey, if u want to object to the number of people, u have to show that the margin of error is large. U haven't shown that, you're just making assertions without proof