₦airaland Forum

Incoherent rant.

And is all the "niggas niggas" supposed to make him sound tough?

"Listen, Google my name, I am the only popular Nigerian actor... Blah blah..."

What exactly does that line have to do with anything. Can this guy not think of himself for five minutes?

Probz:
Make-up or bleaching cream?

All of em... Lol

Why is she looking so old though? Or is it the make-up making her appear so?

Ndoki85:
please Ndoki kingdom was never an Ibo kingdom. come to Akwete where i Come from we don't have any culture that related to Ibos. we don't even speak the same language and most of us bear Ijaw Names like tonye.Fubra.Idawari.furo.igoni.tugbor.ihemiary.and we behave different from ibos

Interesting. Can you please talk about how you opened this account just to make this comment.

goalernestman:
I have research every historical explorers reference from slave taken back from Africa long ago Europe source and i have found no Oyo or Yoruba or igbo i nri kingdom. why is this or i did not research well

Go home. You're drunk.

Amujale:
That is royally incorrect. Any one with an iotta of common sense cannot deny the fact that ancient Egyptians are black.

The above painting is a "fraud" probably commisioned by Eurocentrics like Alexander "the not so great" and the Ptolemy Dynasty.


According to African history, Ancient Egypt betrayed Africa and got eaten up by the combined forces of Asia and Europe.

Mainland Africa refused to defend KM.T because of their stupendous betrayal. Instead of facing inwards and paying back their dues to the continentals that created KM.T in the first place, they instead chose to befriend the Asians and Europeans; so much so that Ancient Egypt sided with the enemy and launch countless failed attempts to conquer the mainland thanks to the people of modern day Sudan who fought and won all and every attempt.

Asia and Europe controlled Ancient Egypt far back 800 B.C.E so they had ample time to try and re-create their version of African history i.e the fraudulent picture you peddle; however the truth will always eventually OUT.

And the truth is out, everyone living in the world during the heights of the Ancient Egyptians clearly tell us tbat they are black and African. Some called them Nubia, Ethopian or simply black and African.


They depicted themselves as black African

Even your picture shows the reddish-brown Egyptian type and the black Nubian type.

Please I am not interested in rehashing this really old subject. For the umpteenth time, believe what you want. I am okay with that.

uchenageme:
Today we know the major races in the world. So according to your hypothesis, which race do the ancient Egyptians belong to? Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?

I do not subscribe to a binary (or three-part) classification of human races that classifies everyone as black or white or yellow. No modern anthropologist subscribes to that anymore.

If Ancient Egyptians are around today, they will be placed in that heterogenous category we call "people of color". Or we would call them brown people, another heterogenous category.

Amujale:
They depicted themselves as black Africans.

Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

Rossikk:
You are WRONG.

The ancient Egyptians were BLACKS.

Tomb Art from Ancient Egypt: (IE actual tomb art from ancient Egyptian tombs, not whitewashed drawings from western magazines and books.)

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/191/444766181_8e1bbee7fb_b.jpg

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/508456221_e7e11dbd14_o.jpg

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1114/851739915_26c4c987ef.jpg?v=0

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/1312007949_fda711d28d.jpg?v=0

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2133/2273030538_b6d6c345a9_o.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp311_big_copy.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp340_big_copy.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp059_big_copy.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp022_big_copy.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp350_big_copy.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp273_big_copy.jpg

https://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/Egyp233_big_copy.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2440794279_20d51b3835_o.jpg

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/352054517_b7e9e03a48_b.jpg

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2327/2057300880_721f1e417d_o.jpg





THE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE

Note: All of Africa South of the Sahara was known to the ancient Greeks as ''Ethiopia''.


Greek historian Diodorus Siculus. From his own statements we learn that he traveled in Egypt around 60 BC. His travels in Egypt probably took him as far south as the first Cataract.


"They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris ["King of Kings and God of Gods] having been the leader of the colony . . . they add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws."

Diodorus's declared intention to trace the origins of the cult of Osiris, alias the Greek Dionysus also commonly known by his Roman name Bacchus. The Homeric Hymn "To Dionysus" locates the birth of Dionysus in a mysterious city of Nysa "near the streams of Aegyptus" (Hesiod 287). Diodorus cites this reference as well as the ancient belief that Dionysus was the son of Ammon, king of Libya (3.68.1), and much of Book 3 of the Bibliotheka Historica is devoted to the intertwined histories of Dionysus and the god-favored Ethiopians whom he believed to be the originators of Egyptian civilization.  [emphasis added]

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and had given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).



"Now they relate that of all people the Aithiopians [Ethiopians] were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings".

[160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans.]



Diodorus continues:



"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"



"The Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them."



"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))




Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.

Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.



"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

(Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)



Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: "Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."

(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)



The evidence of Lucian (Greek writer, 125 B.C.) is as explicit as that of the previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation:



Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."



Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place."

(Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3)


Herodotus (circa 400 bc) (Known to western historians as the Father of History)


Herodotus also asserted that "the names of nearly all the gods came to Greece from Egypt . . . for the names of all the gods have been known in Egypt from the beginning of time . . . It was the Egyptians too who originated, and taught the Greeks . . . ceremonial meeting, processions and liturgies . . . The Egyptians were also the first to assign each month and each day to a particular deity, and to foretell the date of a man's birth, his character, his fortunes, and the day of his death . . . The Egyptians, too have made more use of omens and prognostics than any other nation. . ."

(Herodotus, The Histories, 149-150; 152; 159).


''There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.

The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learned the custom of the Egyptians. And the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians. Now these are the only nations who use circumcision, and it is plain that they all imitate herein the Egyptians. With respect to the Ethiopians, indeed, I cannot decide whether they learned the practice of the Egyptians, or the Egyptians of them (it is undoubtedly of very ancient date in Ethiopia). But that the others derived their knowledge of it from Egypt is clear to me, from the fact that the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised.'' (Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2:104)


The opinion of the ancient writers on the Egyptians is more or less summed up by French Egyptologist Gaston Maspero The Dawn of Civilization (1894), when he says, "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they [the Egyptians] belong to an African race which first settled in Ethiopia on the Middle Nile: following the course of the river they gradually reached the sea." The German scholar, Eugen Georg, in his book The Adventure of Mankind (1931) p. 121, tells us about the ". . . world-wide dominance of Ethiopian representatives of the black race. They were supreme in Africa and Asia. In upper Egypt and India they erected mighty religious centers and mastered a perfect technique in the molding of bronze --- and they even infiltrated through Southern Europe for a thousand years."

In his book Egypt, British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge says: "The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South." He further states: "There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt." (Some historians believe that the biblical land of Punt was in the area known on modern maps as Somalia.)




Stephanus of Byzantium, who is said to represent the opinions of the most ancient Greeks, says:

"Ethiopia was the first established country on the earth, and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the Gods and who established laws."

Quoted by John D. Baldwin, Prehistoric Nations, p. 62.



Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed.

He thinks that as a by-product of these international contacts there was an exchange of ideas and cultural practices that laid the foundations of the earliest civilizations of the ancient world. Heeren in his researches says: "From the remotest times to the present, the Ethiopians have been one of the most celebrated, and yet the most mysterious of nations. In the earliest traditions of nearly all the  civilized nations of antiquity, the name of this distant people is found. The annals of the Egyptian priests are full of them, and the nations of inner Asia, on the Euphrates and Tigris, have interwoven the fictions of the Ethiopians with their traditions of the wars and conquests of their heroes; and, at a period equally remote, they glimmer in Greek mythology. When the Greeks scarcely knew Italy and Sicily by name, the Ethiopians were celebrated in the verses of their poets, and when the faint gleam of tradition and fable gives way to the clear light of history, the lustre of the Ethiopians is not diminished."


The French writer Constantin-François Volney (1757-1820), in his important work, The Ruins of Empires, extends this point of view by saying that the Egyptians were the first people to "attain the physical and moral sciences necessary to civilized life." In referring to the basis of this achievement he states further that, "It was, then, on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a Black race of men, that was organized the complicated system of worship of the stars, considered in relation to the productions of the earth and the labors of agriculture; and this first worship, characterized by their adoration under their own forms and national attributes, was a simple proceeding of the human mind."

Volney's Ruins; or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, Boston, J. Mendum, 1869


Flora Shaw's (alias Lady Flora Lugard) book is an extraordinary look at the history of Africa, which she gathered from countless sources, and one would imagine a great deal of it came from the British Library and from the archives of The Times of London, for whom she had for many years been the Foreign Political Correspondent. She had always been known to be an intensive researcher into her subject matter, and one wonders at the months and probably years she put into this undertaking, which became the reference work for so many future books on Africa. This book was first published 100 years ago showing the detail and descriptive power, and the greatness that Africa once was. Lady Lugard argues that:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Ethiopians) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt. For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."


"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the tallest, most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favorites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, Black Classic Press (1996)


http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

When I saw you were contributing here I knew it was a matter of time before my little comment got a mention.

Anyway, this is an argument I have had several times since joining NL, and I have gotten rather weary of it. I have seen how Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves and I have seen how they depict other Africans from further south. I don't need to be a racial anthropologist to figure out that for the most part they perceived and depicted themselves as racially distinct from people south of them. I have equally seen mummified remains of members of their elite; only a few of them who are of Nubia descent show clear Negro pedigree. If Rameses II was alive today, no system of racial taxonomy would classify him as black.

But you believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

wirinet:
Revising and rewriting history.
Imhotep was not black, and he was not even close to the most celebrated academic of all time. He is no where near Sir Isaac Newton in terms of academic achievements or Leonardo da Vinci. The only thing I learn of imhotep was that he designed the pyramids of Giza. You should know that pyramids had been built far before imhotep. Every learned person must learn the works of Newton and Da Vinci.

Being a political activist does not confer greatness on a person. He only become a cult figure to his followers. On that criteria, Vladimir Lenin or Gandhi would be far greater than all the political activists you listed.

Imhotep was more than a pyramid builder. He was a polymath. His contribution to the field of medicine, for example, was also immense. Some scholars now argue that he deserves the title of Father of Medicine more than Hippocrates.

Was he black? I don't know. I have always been skeptical about describing ancient Egyptians as black people. Sure, there were black people in Ancient Egypt even among the elite. But by and large, I believe ancient Egyptians were (as they often depicted themselves) a people of color, but not necessarily blacks or Negroes.

olaade714:
Do you know that Elon Musk is a black man

OH I totally agree. I've never seen a blacker fellow than this guy right here�

tommy589:
Booker T. Washington is greater than all of them combined

My view

So if you remove all of them and place Booker T there, the world will be just as advanced as it is?

Some black intellectuals (especially Web Dubois) don't even agree that Booker's legacy is a very positive one.

My list would include

Mansa Musa of Mali.
King Taharqa of Nubia and Egypt.
Touissant L'ouveture of Haiti.
Menelik II of Ethiopia

hayoholla:
Dwayne Johnson is a Samoan, so he's black

Samoans are not black.

.

quintessence007:
Is Dwayne Johnson a black man? Some people will just be talking out of context.

If Obama is black, the Rock is black.

A lot of you don't know the Rock's father was black Canadian

Why are you people discussing an intellectual subject like history with someone whose English shows him up as undereducated?

goalernestman:
All this are benin names, and they all have a different meaning in benin. lie is when you tell me
Obi
Igue
Eza
mean same thing in the same language

This is coming from people who tell us both Oba and Ogie are authentic Bini words?

sexybaby22:
Haven't you seen KANU and his wife's video that went rival of recent?

I have. I'm just wondering what is porn-ish about it. I didn't see anything there that I wouldn't see on a day at the poolside. No sex. Not even as much as a pubic hair or an areola in sight. Ordinary kiss, sef we no see. Just a woman in underwear showing us her flat tummy and behind. And a man under a duvet. Really nothing to see.

And before you say I am supporting my 'supleme reader', I have never been a fan of Kanu, and I will never be. I am just shocked by the prudishness of the average Nigerian

sexybaby22:
This is ridiculous. I admire Igbos for their drive to succeed and business skills but all these stunts of late including supporting the porn video of director KANU and this bladder dash about ruling England is trash

Porn video?

There were no "Hausa men from Borno" in the 18th century. That 'Hausa man' was probably a Kanuri.

I did notice some problems. It seems to be coming and going. And here I was blaming my network provider.

GMbuharii:
And a certain alimi afonja could not learn from them but chose to abandon his village and disappear and Bolt away like Usain Bolt

What is "Alimi Afonja"? You just turned two very different people into one person.

And who abandoned his village and disappeared? Afonja died fighting.

If you must troll, at least learn a little history and troll with a little bit of sense.

Where they are no public convenience, what do you expect people to do every time they want to pee? Run home?

The fact that there are pesumably educated people on this thread who think this is impossible is proof that our school system in this country needs to do more in the area of Sex Education.

No matter how big a vernacular-using singer from the southeast becomes, Nigeria sees him as still local. What is "southeast popular singer"? No one describes Olamide as a "southwest popular singer".

Topic of the write-up: "Ned Nwoko finally speaks on Marriage with Regina Daniels."

Inside the write-up: "He would not want to comment on Regina Daniels currently."


Bloggers sef. Even when there is no news there must be news. Mchww.

Is it still sexual harassment if the harassee has no intention of stopping it?

Okay, her reaction is funny. Sensitive much?

I believe that Fela is much more of an iconic figure than Davido will ever be. But there's this thing called personal opinion. This matter is too little to be unfollowing/unfriending people over.

There are people running around saying Beyoncé is better than Michael Jackson. And I am like, Okay, cool, your opinion, mehn. As an ardent MJ fan I'd find it ridiculous cutting someone off because they think B is better than MJ. It just makes no sense.

lx3as:
It's the other way round; there was nothing like Bini Empire but Yoruba Oba's Bini Kingdom.

Only four empires existed in West Africa: Ghana, Mali, Songhai and Oyo.
Then we had Ife, Bini etc. as kingdoms...

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-worldhistory/chapter/west-african-empires/

Benin was an empire. It's time for you guys to let it go.

Even without counting Benin there were more than four empires in West Africa. The Sokoto Caliphate and Borno were empires as well.

Reeses:
Nope! blood in blood out.

"Blood in blood out". Do you have any hard evidence that he killed anyone as a Crip member? Or are just assuming that everyone who was in a gang has killed someone?