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I'd like to have a look at her source and her statistics. She's too old for this kind of incessant trolling. According to the National Bureau of Statistics (2013), the southeast is doing better than most of the country, including most of the states in the southwest in terms of female literacy.

If that has changed so dramatically in the last 7 years, let her bring foward her sources and the statistics and stop talking out of her ass.

Well, listen to the view of a trained historian who is himself an Ukwuani man.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ujah/article/view/166014&ved=2ahUKEwjJqvihgovpAhWyzoUKHRDeB0IQFjAJegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw23kf6oMrinygSF-PAdW55_

gregyboy:
He is just saying they have a unique names which are original to thier own people which is not igbo persay but a mixture of edo-igbo names and with a unique spellings

Even amongst the real igbos they have thier individual igbo dialect unique to thier various clan

So as the agbor people he is not saying they are not igbos but he is maintaining that accepting the general igbo culture is what is wrong and he doesn't want that, even if they are igbos he still want to maintain his unique igbo identity which is a mixture of igbo and edo


Osita Osadebe is from atani in anambra an area close to the anioma regions and that is also few km from onitsha, he mainted his anioma name osadebe which can be interpreted as osadeba( god is with me) in benin
This are the unique names indigenous to the anioma areas, he is probably against his fathers to allow total igbo influence on thier people

And he is not been exuberant he is been a good leader to his people

Osadebe is not God is with me; Osadebe means May God keep (me) /may God preserve (me) .

There's no denigration in Chinenye's comment.

I agree Letu came across as too excited. But the first real insult I see here was you referring to their language as bastardised.

UdechiHD, this sort of arrogant (and even ignorant) rant is not the reason I opened this thread.

I had a simple question: Are there Igbo communites that use another response to prayers apart from Ise? Simple.

Your community uses ise. You should have walked by. Chinenye and Letu's community have other responses. They supplied them.

The additional commentary on how ise probably spread from more central communities within the Igbo space is one I can understand. Igbo communities are losing their individuality to standardization. That's a fact, everyone knows that. No offence to anyone in stating it.


Can you explain the rationale for attacking people from communites that have other responses? Please explain it to me, explain this your irrational and incoherent attack on Ngwa people.

Thank you for your responses. They were very helpful.

ChinenyeN:
It seems "ise" as an expression was something that spread around and became more popular in recent years, akin to how "igba nkwu" and "ndeewo" have become more commonplace or otherwise "standard".

From what I could gather, it would seem various groups had their own ways of expressing agreement in an "Amen" soft of fashion. In Ngwa, for instance, it is kpoo. I know Echie has theirs that is not "ise", but I don't remember what they say exactly. Asa and Ndoki also have theirs, but "ise" has become commonplace within their enclaves, so we hear a lot of it within their communities.

Hmm. Interesting. I'm guessing the Kpoo is an imitation of the sound of the staffs and the ofo that the elders hit on the floor to 'punctuate' their prayers and in agreement with the 'prayer points'.

I just remembered an Igbo-language book I read in secondary school. I do not remember the title, but I remember something strange I read in it.

When the old people in the story were saying their traditional prayers (ịgọ ọfọ), instead of the usual Iseee! response, they were responding with Ọfọ ọọọ!

My question now is, are there any Igbo-speaking group that uses a response that isn't Ise in traditional prayers or Ịgọ ọfọ?

By Igbo-speaking, I mean every group within the Igboid family, including Ikwere and Ekpeye.

Revolva:
Yeah I believe so but they tend to be igala more that the igalas in anambra n enugu who are marginalized witin the Igbo nation and who are not even igbonized yes because they are not Igbo

If you say there were igbos in ibaji olamaboro igalamela odolu areas well those people are hard to notify in today igala even if you notice them they don't link with Igbos anymore they are fully igalas by mixing long ago and mind you not all ibaji are of Igbo stock not igalamela nor olamaboro ok just few of Dem

Again Igbo influence on dose southern igala is another factor that makes it looks like all southern. Igala are of Igbo heritage never

You people should please just shut up with this story of marginalization of Igala indigenes in the southeast.

As for their not being Igbonised, if I show you the names of the traditional rulers of the supposed Igala communites in Anambra and Enugu, you will scarcely recognise any of them as non-Igbo. Those people can easily pass as Igbo if they want. It is just their self-consciousness of their Igala roots that keeps them Igala. They speak Igbo and Igala with equal facility.

Chai!

Seun should add real laugh emojis. This 'shining teeth' own is not enough.

Some authors. Some authors. Some authors. They don't have names? You can't cite their publications?

Alexaonfleek:
wow
I've never been to Ika to be honest.
My dad doesn't like me going there
I've only been to akumazi once
And why won't I know where I'm from

You have been to Akumazi, but you have not been to Ika? Ha! I'm not understanding again oh. Ika people in the house abeg come and explain to me, is there now a village in Ikaland called Ika?

Alexaonfleek:
my dad is from Ika
My mum is from akumazi

You seem to know that side well

Akumazi is in Ika na. Ika is the name of the entire ethnic group and not the name of a specific town within it. Or has that changed.

Ayegba Abdullahi is suffering from small tribe syndrome.

To him, if there's the slightest mention of Igala in the traditions concerning a community, it doesn't matter whether or not there is corroborative evidence in support of those traditions, it doesn't matter whether the community speaks Igala or identifies as Igala, that community is Igala and must be counted as part of Igalaland.

That is the most pitiable indices of ethnic group membership that I have ever heard. Imagine, Bida the heart of Nupe ethnicity being listed as Igala territory because of a tradition that Tsoede has Igala roots? By that same logic, Idah is Igbo because Ebulejonu found an Igbo man (Achadu) there when she came.

Short answer, no. Beyond Northern Enugu State, and some of the communities that line both sides of the River Niger there are little or no Igala "cultural markers" to speak of in Igboland.

According to the Agbor people of Delta State, an Agbor woman named Ika had four children named Eke, Orie, Afo and Nkwo and it was from them the four-day week originated.

Is that tradition true? Almost certainly not.
Just as it is almost certain that the four-day week had nothing to do with an Nri ruler from the 14th century. The four days are most likely far older than that.


You all need to be more critical of these passed-down stories that you accept as authentic history. Like Chinenye said many towns have their own stories of how Eke, Olie, Afo and Nkwo originated. And they are all probably equally incorrect.

Jolof rice is from Senegal, originated by the ethnic group that has given its name to the dish (the Wolof/Jolof people).


You people can keep fighting over the rest. It's fun to watch these fights.

Emmydann:
I'm from anambra state and also a proud igala, do u hv issue wt that?

What's your community's name?

agadez007:
from "You are my brother" to "I am your father"

This is funny.

HallaDaTruth:
We already had yams, pepper, vegetables, plantains and several palm trees species , cocoa etc in Eastern and Southern Nigeria. The North was known for her groundnuts, onions etc. That story is not fully true. Infact some of the plants in Asia and Europe were taken from Africa

Plantains, cocoa and onions are not indigneous to Tropical Africa. I don't think groundnuts are either, but I'll have to confirm that.

Several legumes (beans, cowpea, etc) are indigenous to Africa.

Some cereals like sorghum, millet, a species of rice are indigenous to Africa.

Some species of yam, like the white yam and the yellow yam are indigenous to the African continent.

The oil palm tree and the breadfruit trea (ukwa) are indigenous to the African continent.

Okro and many vegetables like the gourded pumpkin (ugu) are indigenous to the African continent.

Kingosytex:
Sorry I was a bit rude, that's not my usual self.

What in the world are you apologizing for?!

The comment was insensitive and beyond revolting. Your reaction to it was the reaction of a decent human being.

Revolva:
This is a photo showed the Eze Oraeri wearing the same Ejubejuailo medal the Attah of Igala wore and its an evidence that Oreri (Ora-eri) People of Anambra State Being Igala by Ancestry


In the picture, Eze Okonkwo, the Eze Nri Oreri is in the same traditional regalia like that of Attah Igala, with both wearing the Ejubejuailo medal (face-like object on their chest). Attah Igala began to wear it from 1515 during the Igala-Benin war. It was later replicated among the Eri (Eri, an Igala warrior from Idah) people, Oreri in this case to show their Igala root.

This Eze died in 1944 but till date, Eze Oreri dresses like Attah Igala. Oraeri people are also in Awka, and they are all Igala, because tribe is in the blood not by geographical locations. But if you have a contrary view, explain how Eze Oreri got the Ejubejuailo medal. Oraeri will be visited soon by me. One Igala blood forever.



By Ayegba A. A

The mask was not made by the Igala. How then can a similar mask elsewhere be evidence of Igala ancestry?

By the way, I've been following Mr Ayegba on Facebook and the man is a clown. Calls himself the discoverer of 28 Igala states, and thinks Igala should be counted as a major ethnic group alongside Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa.

gregyboy:
Our ancestor never wrote you just imagined the others were originally planted in africa before the arrival of Portuguese
When you vividly yam cultivation entired so many countries in the early 20 century

If you want me to belive this in as much as i want to bring viable source and not speculation

The source i had brought there was a research work and not claims

It will actually cost you nothing (except a little data) to go online yourself and look at the copious number of research work and literature on the origin and domestication of D. cayensis and D. rotundata.

Don't be intellectually lazy.

gregyboy:
Guinea you make reference to its a Portuguese colony
I doubt if the whole of west africa was once recognized as guniea because the Portuguese had made reference to benin and other places as early as 15century

Wrong again. The general word for the whole coastal and forest region of West Africa in precolonial days was Guinea.

See the link below for some detail.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Guinea-region-Africa

'Guinea' encompassed all of the Grain Coast, the Ivory Coast, the Slave Coast, the Gold Coast and beyond as far as modern Cameroun. And that includes your Benin.

Even as recently as 1954, a British traveller to West Africa wrote a book she called 'Four Guineas', which was about her visit to four West African countries: Sierra Leone, the Gold Coast (now Ghana), Nigeria and the Gambia; because these countries are in the region called Guinea.

The fact that three African countries (Republic of Guinea, Equatorial Guinea and Guinea-Bissau) now use Guimea in their names should not confuse you as to who the word originally applied to, i.e., all West Africans south of the Sudan region.

Also see the map attached.

Looks like this man did some serious refurbishing of this palace, thinking it would be his home till he dies. Quite sad.

gregyboy:
As a matter of fact yam is a foreign food crop to africa, yam was introduced to africa by the Portuguese who traded it for monetary gains, yam and melon are original asian food crops

You see this thing you wrote here? "... yam is a foreign food crop to Africa..." Don't repeat it anywhere else. This is what happens when people only acquire half-knowledge but won't keep quiet about it.

The Portuguese only introduced one variety of yam. That is Dioscorea alata or water yam. It is not even 100% certain that it was the Portuguese who first brought it to West Africa, as there is a chance that it could have diffused through other means from Asia to East Africa and then overland from East Africa to West Africa without the agency of the Portuguese. But for the purpose of this argument, let's agree it was introduced by the Portuguese.

What you do not know is that before water yam came, West Africans had their own native species of yam which they domesticated on their own thousands of years ago. The most prominent of these species is Dioscorea cayennensis also known as the yellow yam, and its subspecies Dioscorea rotundata also known as the white yam. The collective name for this species and subspecies is the Guinea yam. These native species are still highly valued in many West African cultures, more so than the Asian species.

Guinea was the name that the early Europeans gave to the entire West African Coast. The yellow and the white yam were called 'Guinea yam' because they came from nowhere but West Africa. Among the Jamaicans it was even called Eboe yam in recognition of the fact that it was already an Igbo staple by the time the Atlantic slave trade opened up and slave ship captains often bought the yams to feed the slaves enroute to the New World.

So next time you think you've stumbled on 'brand new' information, it will do you some good to just research a little deeper and save yourself and the rest of us this sort of misleading information.

What the hell does "killed alive" mean?

MelesZenawi:
Ask your forefathers if they have documentary evidence of their existence before the white men arrived.


Socrates na u go school pass.


Trash.

This nitwit again?

Please tell us (with documentary evidence) the year egusi soup was invented in Igboland. Tell us also (with documentary evidence) the year it was adopted from the Igbos by the Yorubas.

Most of us in this part of the world come from civilizations where we cannot say with certainty what was happening in the villages we come from before 1700, but we come online to drag ownership of things that certainly predate verifiable history. Are you all not clowns like this?

Constitutionally, yes.

Now whether or not he will actually deign to try it is a different question.

The respect that the Edo people accord the institution of the Oba no be here; I don't think there is anything to compare with it in all of Nigeria; and as such any governor that tries to mess with it will meet with great resistance from the people. Benin City will not contain him and the Benin people.