₦airaland Forum

kabe1:
Russian systems have always been 100% local since 2014.

I wonder how you're arguing with an OEM.

Do you work for Sukhoi Design Bureau?

Does Russia build military equipment using US dollars?

What's your rational to doubt Rostec?

kabe1:
On the contrary, I'm a big fan of the JF-17, and I think it's an excellent aircraft, well suited for Nigeria's current security challenges.

However I don't think the JF-17 is an aircraft for the future, as you know aircrafts are supposed to last a minimum of 30 years in service. Threats would change in that time, and I don't think the JF-17 is the ideal aircraft to deal with that threat.

I'm proposing that we cease on any further purchases of the JF-17, invest in a capable LIFT aircraft, the M346 is ideal, we do not need the FA, as this would mean additional costs.

Purchase another batch of 12 Tucanos.

Increase our Attack helicopter and MI-17 numbers.

Invest in tactical transport aircrafts as the C-130s are old.

In a couple years time the SU-75 would be mature(in the event it goes into full production), purchase that instead.

youghs:
It can never be $25-$30m

ugo4u:
It's either he was hit meaning he was flying too low(which is unlikely since it was a night operation) or the Aircraft itself developed a technical fault midair(most likely). It's high time we ground or phase out the Alpha jets or use them & do trade by barter with any country that will give us infantry hardwares or spare parts etc. We kuku no get pass two currently that are operational, the JF 17s & the Tucanos will fill the void.

kabe1:
Sukhoi says it's a 5th Gen aircraft, however the cost is quite unrealistic.

It's target at South-American, African and South Asian clients.

Apparently the Russian MoD would buy them too.

kabe1:
I would suggest we buy additional Tucanos, a squadron of LIFT, forget about the JF-17 and go instead for the SU75 checkmate in the future.

komekn:
I know its expected to blow your own trumpet but you are moving to the point of delusion.

Please check the Air-forces of S. Africa, Angola, Ethiopia, Kenya and Sudan before you make such a statement, unrivaled domination across West Africa a very big YES but Sub Saharan Africa a very big NO.

Stormtrooper11:
Was thinking. Why wasn't the suoer Tucano transported in a heavy lifter?

Covert1:
With the arrival of the JF-17 Thunders and the A-29s followed on by the drones the Nigerian Air Force has achieved a high and low mix of air combat capability response unrivaled in sub-saharan Africa and with the likelihood of the M346 a peer dominant air power in Africa.

bidexiii:
Thanks for this info.
Honestly the federal government and the execute arm should be stringent on how the military chiefs are going to spend the money.
They should be detailed, nor just these type of overall summary. We should know where all these Billions are going

bidexiii:
Thanks for this info.
Honestly the federal government and the execute arm should be stringent on how the military chiefs are going to spend the money.
They should be detailed, nor just these type of overall summary. We should know where all these Billions are going

xterra2:
1. 2021 Supplementary Budget Details

Recall the FG is going to borrow Over N800Billion for 2021 supplementary budget which Security agencies would get ~N722Billion for capital expenditure.

Sha here are the best snippets

Army
Vehicle Requirement 48,670,100,000
Defence equipment N96 Billion

Navy
Arms and Ammo Requirement N36B
Purchase of equipment N34Billion and Medium term equipment N21B

Overall the Navy is going to spend N157Billion without mentioning any specific purchase (e.g ships)

Airforce

Additional aircraft N140Billion
Other equipment N84B

However, if we add these two items we get N224Billion, in US dollars using CBN exchange rate of 410 that is $546.3 Million. So that is some serious money. Excluding the Tucanos, i can't remember Airforce spending such amount at once.

Overall the airforce is spending N239Billion


2. Super Tucanos may be delivered tomorrow, in fact it would be according to the Americans . Around May 7th The Perm Sec Defence said below, and it is on its way so i think the Schedule they gave is on track.


"We paid $496millon to the American government and it is getting to three years now, the Super Tucanos are yet to arrive. Last week, we received an email that it will come by 21st of July" -

^^ So in the next 24 hours it should be in Nigeria
We can only hope the Chiefs would tackle some fundamental problems that has been recurrent in this war for years which the Super Tucano cannot solve.

LibertyRep:
They have to humiliate him.

While some privileged criminals are shooting down military jets in Zamfara.
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GabrielYulaw:
I better wade in here. Did we overpay for the Tucanos? Yes. Are they what's needed right now? No.

Better kits and equipment, plus improved troop welfare and masses of heavy weaponry would have been mote optimal. Buying 10 tanks from china today, 6 tanks from Ukraine tomorrow and some MRAPS from Proforce next month simply doesn't cut it in my humble opinion.

Sincerely, Nigeria is a country that never lacks for money. What we do best is throwing money at problems hoping it will just go away. Deeper examination of what we are facing and possible solutions never seems to occur to us.

So, the latest estimate has it that over 350k people have been killed in this war so far and frankly the future does not inspire me with confidence. From Boko Haram we have gone to ISWAP and now Bandits and Fulani herdsmen are all over the place, killing without limits and having fun.

How many of you here can confidently travel from one state to the other without killing a ram and asking for the blessing of the almighty? This country is fvcked. If you can't see that then you have a massive problem.

Now, say you have a very deadly insurgency in your country and have $600 million to buy the kind of arms that will bring the war to a very speedy and satisfactory conclusion, what do you do with that kind of money?

I don't know about you, but there's simply no way in hell I'm gonna use that money to buy a dozen turboprops. I don't care if the planes in question came with a million free rounds of ammo, rockets and sensors. I don't care if Thanos himself put them together.

What you guys seem to be forgetting here is that the North and everywhere else seeing unrest and killings is a very large place. I seriously doubt that even a hundred Tucanos would be enough to provide adequate coverage, not forgetting that not all the planes bought will be airworthy at the same time.

If I had $600 million and was told to go and shop for war-ending weapons, I would take like $200 million, go to eastern Europe or Russia and buy or beg for around 500 old tanks, from T-62s up, plus IFVs. These can be speedily modernized and the tanks turned into heavy IFVs that no bandit or ISWAP can touch without using heavy anti tank missiles like the Kornet.

I still have $400 million, right? With $200 million I can buy hundreds of heavy artillery and long range MLRS from Russia, Turkey and China. Some of these MLRS will exceed 200km in range. The normal range of any arty on my shopping list should be at least 30km with standard ammo, and double that with RAP.

Then with the remainder of the funds I will buy as many MALE drones as I can. Mainly from China, but the reliability of their aircraft is doubtful.

So, what will I use all these I bought at mammy market to do? It's simple. The IFVs are there to ensure our troops are safer while moving around. The heavy artillery and rocket launchers are there to engage the enemy wherever they can be found, day or night. We don't need manned aircraft for that. What's needed is to establish bases mainly in the northeast and near our borders that are like 30-50km from each other, all equipped with heavy artillery and mutually supporting.

The drones I bought should be in the air 24/7 and concerns about their data transmission capacity can be remedied by buying satellite bandwidth or launching our own satellite. What this means is of course that with drones covering most bandit and ISWAP-heavy areas, there's no way they can pop up without being immediately targeted with arty or rocket fire, with eyes in the sky making sure the munitions raining down are going where they are supposed to. And all without any putting any troops in danger.

My apologies if the above sounds like daydreaming or science fiction, but it does appear feasible and something I would do if I was given $600 million to buy weapons that will change this war for the better. Not even twenty F-22 Raptors a can win this war for us, let alone a dozen Tucanos, unless these turboprops are carrying atomic weapons, as Joscofelix might say

komekn:
How many moons ago did I raise this issue, not with assumptive sentiment based preference but substantively. Using "Best value" and best use of resources for the greatest impact and efficacy .

I got dogs abuse and a barrage of vitriolic rhetoric sent my way, with you mostly on the side of negativity.

Nigeria is facing an existent crisis and somebody is spending $600 million to acquire A-29 Super Tucano and add ons, for an aircraft that has taken 5 years or thereabouts for the 2/3 few to arrive. That incomprehensibly SHOCKING.

I also talked about the possibility of them being susceptible to rudimentary AA Fire from the plethora of enemy technical on the ground. Do not forget this is an aircraft that is supposed to be for CAS - close Air Support. The noise from the Tucano makes its presence well know before it even arrives on the battle scene it is much slower than an Alpha jet , so how safe is it for pilots, time will tell.

The USAF and NATO do not use any of these turbo prop aircraft beyond the experimental, I wonder why

I over flogged the comparison of the Wing Loong 2 UAV's nonetheless Pakistan has just bought 48 estimated cost plus munitions and technology transfer $65 million.

If 48 Wing Loong 2 UAV's were deployed in the North of Nigeria it would literally change the entire course of this war and reduce our casualties tremendously and with ground support almost end Boko Haram.

rottennaija:
Thus guys are replenishing their weapons and are even using advanced military weapons. They must be some western support for this guys

lifeisgood12:
are you dumb? read the interview with a veteran about why bidens removed troops from afghanistan. https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/1014512171/president-biden-defends-decision-to-withdraw-troops-from-afghanistan.
Using your stupid logic. Boko haram are not terrorists either.

kabe1:
How's the Russian economy stagnant?

lifeisgood12:
talibans are the deadliest terrorists of all. Nato, Us, Russia could not do anything to them. Go check how many soldiers have been killed by the talibans compared to their number. Put talibans in nigeria, they would have conquered the entire northern region by this time.

Drsnives:
This act has added more numbers to the unemployed in we country.
God punish them

Jerryherd:




Just imagine Fulani Buhari arresting Obasanjo a Yoruba man or Jonathan an Ogbia man... Think of what Yoruba's would do to any cows they see and any Fulani man's business sasa Ibadan would be a child's play... Think of what militants would do

Arresting Jacob Zuma was a wrong move... Zulus won't take it likely

PS; before you think riot and looting is exclusively a black man thing.... Remember Antifact, Black lives matter, Trump Republican supporters, EPL and European Football supporters,



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SamuelAnyawu:
But What change will this Super Tucano bring in this terrain. What are the advantages over the normal jets NAF have been using in this combat.

FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. It's coming home and those using VPN may just need to have a rethink .

Just today alone is report that Nigerian embassy in Germany seems to be successfully using administrative tactics to execute security recommendations against those Nigerians already identified and profiled from their online and financial activities as promoting secession from overseas and most will have no choice than to come back home in few months or have to remain stateless http://saharareporters.com/2021/07/14/germany-based-nigerian-loses-job-after-embassy-denied-his-passport-renewal

. Now this report of VPN no longer working .

Obviously, Nairaland is not annonymous as you think. The social media regulation through administrative and technical means has actually started and it's sequel to the high level authoritative security report quoted by the President himself that the EndSars violence was an insurrection to violently overthrow the government .

Once again, if you have been careless and reckless online before, don't be any more. Criticise in a civil way with facts and intelligent perspective, don't make libellous, treasonous or criminal remarks and don't think you can scam people online and get away with it for long or forever . Think well again before you post, scam or troll online, abiding by this advice may just be your saving grace.

djon78:
It's not fake news

I blame PDP governments of Obasanjo to Good luck Jonathan

How can they build power plants very far away from the Niger Delta region where gas fields are located


Where the power plants were built are very far from gas Fields

To supply gas you must pipe gas from the gas Fields which will cost billions of dollars

They were just dishonest about the whole thing or they never wanted steady electricity in Nigeria


Nigerias has fields can power entire Africa for electricity
Just put the power plants where gas is available
And you have electricity
It's not rocket science
Very easy
But the politicians don't want to do the right thing