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One of those threads.

Rat laden with infectious viruses.

MelesZenawi:
You guys should stop this hate by killing people from other zones.

More like a secret meeting in Western army

mtcheew.. get a life.
Nigerian soldiers from every region are GENERALLY Unprofessional and are always trigger happy, but we all know what side the major atrocities come from. Keep shouting Yoruba upandan like a starved baboon.

MelesZenawi:
Investigation by our correspondent however, revealed that Ajayi hails from Imeri in Ondo State.

Ok he is from Ondo state...so what.
You keep repeating that he is "that and that" as if that will put some money in your pocket.

MelesZenawi:
Investigation by our correspondent however, revealed that Ajayi hails from Imeri in Ondo State.

Pele mr Investigator.

Na al these kind bigoted topics especially against Yoruba dey ginger your swagger. Ndo.

If you all check well now, you will see that the so called Ilekura Samson Ajayi is from Edo state.

Most likely Edo North area.

All the help we can get is welcome.

If Egungun reach express now, how many Nigerian health workers would stay?
The other day, an entire staff of a big Lagos hospice ran faster than Usain Bolt at the sight of some Egyptians coming in for a check.

senatordave1:
Those ebiras are not in kogi central ?

They aren't. Only the Ebira Tao are in kogi central.

senatordave1:
What if you add the ones you minused

Then they might become like 75-80% Muslim.
the major population centre of Ebiras is Kogi central.

Naajjii:
Where did you get your 30%?

My personal observation of Ebiras tao (Minus the Ebira Koto and Opanda)

Nowenuse:
I usually classify most Nigerian tribes as either Christian or muslim cos most of these traditionalist either attend churches or mosques. They identify with one religion, even though they may not take it serious.

Igalas of today are clearly like 60-65% Christians.

It is the other way round.

Igalas are 60-65% Muslim and around 40% Xtian.

Naajjii:
Ha ha Igbo man, this is how you keep spreading lies , where did you get all you just stated, imagine Ebira people that christians are not even visible you stated that outside Okene then everywhere is christians. This is the reason why i dont always enagage you with facts ,that is why i always call you out as an impostor hiding under middlebelt, just come out fully with your igbo man identity then i will engage you better but as long as you hide to create mischief i will always call you out.
In Nigeria its obvious those crying of Marginalization everyday, between CAN AND NSCIA who do you see crying of Islamisation. Have you ever seen any muslim cried of Christianisation in this Country? That sums up your minority status in Nigeria. Minority will always cry and keep crying.

Oga Ebira christians are very visible.

I was under that same impression before that Ebira christians were a tiny minority, now I know better.

Ebira christians are at least 30%

Wait o, was she supposed to leave her Room before FULL RECOVERY?
She said she does not live alone!

Revolva:
Itsekiri itself are from igala who later migrated to present day warri in delta state

Itsekiri are not related to Yoruba at all oo Yoruba met an igala warrir called zekeli in warri there in D ancient times and over threw him and married his daughters that was how the itsekiri nation was formed

Later on then came D Benin people who invaded there and took the rulership seat leaving the itsekiri of mixed Yoruba and igala heritage.
Till date an average itsekiri man like counting himself to the ruling clan of the Benin because of the oil money in delta state they wanna have a cut in

And they don't care of their far ancestry , which is bad not all itsekiri are from benin it's just the ruling clan of the kingdom ...
The language of itsekiri and igala are similar in many words

Stop lying through your nose.
Is there Z in the Yoruboid languages?
How can an Igala warrior be named "Zekeli" Igalas will call that 'Jekeli', that name is actually from the Islamic name Zakari.

Itsekiri and the yoruba dialects are siblings (sister fingers on the same hand) while Igalas are like the cousin who has all sort of foreign influences in them like Idoma, Jukun, Nupe, Igbo.
There are very close semblances between Yoruba and Itsekiri names and spirituality for example, while Igala names can sometimes look totally strange to Yoruba (or Itsekiri). Your story sounds so cooked up. Which of the Yoruba groups met the Zekeli man in warri?

You are even contradicting yourself. First you say Itsekiris are not related to Yorubas, but you also say Yorubas met an Igala warrior in warri area overthrew him and married his children who became itsekiri..... so how will his descendants not be related to their ancestor?

Barbilius:
You are a prophet bro.

I know how to project trends like a financial markets analyst.
Yet another SW state will still overtake Imo.

Nowenuse:
Lol . Me saying that you should use less pins does not mean that you should completely measure bushes!
If you must use more pins, you should at least snap multiple pictures showing the various extents of your measurements. That was why I insisted that you measure Suleja, Karu, Abuja Municipal, Bwari, Gwagwalada & Kuje separately. You added too many green areas to your measurement of Ibadan. And it is very obvious from your pictures.

Well, I might have measured some bushes, BUT I only followed your exact style which you are basing your facts on. Besides, you added too much green and brown in your Abuja measurements.Ibadan's green only looks more obvious than the green and brown of Abja because Abuja is savannah and Ibadan is tropical high forest and tall tree savanna type vegetation. If I increase the contrast and saturation of your Abuja measurements and increase the green composition of the RGB, you would see how much outside the city limits some of your measurements are.

We cannot conclude if Ibadan is bigger than Abuja until I see your measurements of the different urban areas that make up Abuja.

Also, I don't consider Gwagwalada to be Abuja, although it is is a town in the FCT. I understand that you think otherwise, but no problem. Infact I was only adding Suleja from my initial measurements for the sake of argument. Suleja isn't Abuja either. Suleja is completely different from Abuja and does not have any vibe in common with Abuja. It felt like a completely separate and independent town the time I was there unlike Karu that had strong Abuja vibes. If the government was compiling a list of largest cities and towns in Nigeria, trust me when I tell you that Suleja will not be included in Abuja nor even 'Abuja urban area' for that matter.

Do your own measurements and let's compare them with mine. Cos as it's stands, mine looks more accurate & neat since I separated the urban areas from each other, unlike yours where you joined everything from Niger state to Nasarawa state into a chaotic mess.

Lol, yours does not look more accurate than mine. I have explained it to you earlier above ^^ how Geography works. What YOU on the other hand are doing is maximizing land area for different areas during measurement and then totalling them together to gain a land area advantage.

Your measurement of Ibadan is 700km² since you included most of the outskirt suburbs which I did not include in my measurement of Ibadan.

Yes my measurements of Ibadan was 702 km² for Ibadan at close marking, and 550km² for Abuja + adjoining towns at that same criteria. When I used the same method as you (distant marking) Ibadan remained significantly larger at over 1,000km². If you want me to measure the Abuja area again separately then add them together, I might do that at some later time.

My friend's measurement of Abuja is 850km² and he did not include 2 suburbs of Karu (Karshi & Uke), 1 suburb of Bwari (Gwaram), the 4 suburbs in between Gwagwalada & Zuba, the whole of Kuje town and other suburbs in between Kuje & Gwagwalada and in between Madalla & Kuje & Municipal (like Gwaska, Toge, Sauka e.t.c).

Your friend's measurements of Abuja is wrong. I already called it "Wuru wuru to the answer" earlier. And once again, Gwagwalada is not Abuja. Everyone has been telling you this right from that original thread into this newer one. People even told you that his measurements were not consistent that he zoomed out to measure some cities and measured some others at closer resolution.

9jaDoomCountry:

Stealing is bad though but better than skull mining in all ramifications

I hear you.

Eeeewoooo! Our blothers at it again oo!!!

Una steal 7 cars for Ogun state carry am all the way go Anambra go sell... Hian!
My developer brothers, is that how to develop a place?
And here I was thinking you people were beginning to repent small small this year.

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JESUS!!

Actually, since you prefer less pins and actually like to see more distance between pegged points, Here is Ibadan measured in the same way you have done. And it is 1,032 km2 which is substantially larger than my previous more accurate measure. This method you prefer is highly inaccurate and can lead to errors of oversight.

[img]http:///65535/49711360126_ab2dd03176_b.jpg[/img]

Still larger than Abuja plus Gwagwalanda and all those other places at 704km2. You can't expect to measure ABJ like that and compare it to a carefully measured outline of ibadan that actually follows the accuracy rules of Geography, it wouldn't be scientific.

Nowenuse:
This below was my measurement of 4 major suburban areas that make up Abuja metro. It is far more precise than yours where you joined so many disjointed urban areas with too many pins that one cannot even see the lines between the pins, and mind you Karshi was not included in my measurement of Karu Urban. Karshi is just a stonethrow from Orozo. Uke was not also included and Uke is the last suburb of Karu immediately after Masaka.
Between Uke & Keffi is 20km² and you have 4 small towns in between Uke & Keffi. Uke to Keffi on that express is like 10 mins. Keffi will merge into Karu in the next 5 years.

So you can see that Gwagwalada, Bwari & Kuje combined are about 75km².
Mind you, I was just going through these measurements and I could also see that Gwaram (a suburb of Bwari was not added). Gwaska (a suburb in between Abuja Municipal & Madalla) was not added to either sides. And if we are now including Gwagwalada, what about the 4 communities in between Gwagwalada & Madalla and those between Gwagwalada & Kuje? I never added any of these.

The point is that, just the same way many places were not added to Ibadan in my measurement, many places as well were not added to Abuja.

Anyway, When you have the time. I'd like to see you divide the measurements of the 6 major towns/urban areas that make up Abuja metro, which are Karu urban, Bwari, Gwagwalada, Kuje, Suleja urban & Abuja Municipal.

I repeat, Ibadan can never be larger than Abuja metro. Ibadan only has the advantage of being one circular urban area, unlike Abuja that has 2 urban areas (Suleja & Karu) developing far into Niger & Nasarawa states along the roads to Keffi & Minna.

If you were verse in Geography, you would know that the more the pins, the more precise the measurement. That is why those days in geography class, it is advisable to use more grids and squares that less ones when measuring the area of a map or when transferring one map to another clean sheet because the smaller grids ensure greater accuracy. What you have done is what I call "wuru wuru to the answer", If I measure Ibadan or any other city the same why, I would arrive at an even greater figures.

Even in the the coastline measurement paradox, The use of more pins over a certain area ensures a better measurement of the actual reality instead of using broader stretches of lines at a time like you are doing.

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And even with your rough measurements and inclusion of controversial settlements like Gwagwalada into "Abuja", the entire area has only just equalled my intricate measurement of Ibadan. Do you want me to give you a jagged version of Ibadan's land area?
Give it up. Ibadan is clearly larger than Abuja, wether it is Abuja proper or Abuja plus allies.

If Aba and Port Harcourt are not as intertwined as you say, then how is Abuja and Gwagwalada considered intertwined. What is your defination of an interlinked urban area?
The volume of people who move between PH/Obigbo/Aba each day is far greater than that which moves between Gwagwalada or Suleja and Abuja. Yet one is measured together but the other is not?

The only reason your criteria is inconsistent is because poth PH and Aba are popular, but you want to subsume Gwagwa or Suleja under the name "Abuja" because they haven't made a name for themselves yet as cities? That is wrong sir.

Nowenuse:
1) Nice efforts, but you must know that you cannot measure Abuja municipal, Suleja & Karu as one urban area in the same manner with which you measure Ibadan.
This is due to the disjointed nature of the different urban areas and towns that make up Abuja.
Same way you cannot measure Lagos as one urban area, hence the reason we split the measurements. You can never get the proper measurement of an urban agglomeration by measuring it together.

2) Abuja metro should even be higher than the measurement we gave it because we did not include Kuje town and the small towns on your way to Gwagwalada from Zuba.
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It does not matter how you measure the different towns and cities within an urban agglomeration, you will always come up with the same results, either you measure them individually and then add them up or you measure them all at once (if you have the time, consistency and patience to do so) it is maths, it can't be cheated. The map is there nau, we shouldn't even be arguing you can measure it yourself and post what you arrive at here. Infact, it took me about 30 minutes plus to carefully outline Abuja and all the outlying surrounding towns, if I didn't have the ample time on my hands due to the present coronavirus situation + weekend, I would have preferred to do them individually and them add them together like your friend did because If I (or anyone measuring measuring) wasn't being careful about it, I/they would run the risk of adding a lot of uninhabited/non built up areas to Abuja due to how disconnected the entire area is (like you rightfully said)

2: Kuje town if you insist is only about 22kmSq. All those areas you mention can't not be more than 50kmSq put together, and that's pushing it. You are forgetting that the difference between Ibadan and Abuja in my measurements was more than 130 good Kms Squared.
And if are adding all those areas like Kuje to Abuja, then I better start adding Idi Ayunre, Badeku, Igbonna even Iwo, Ikire to Ibadan because that is exactly what it would mean.

Ibadan is clearly larger than Abuja but for whatever reason, you just don't want to accept. Notice that you keep pushing the limits of what is within Abuja to record distances but still fall short in the end. Small thing now, you will ask us to take the measurement of Abuja down to Keffi.

Nowenuse:
Ikorodu & Lekki are part of Lagos Metropolitan area/ Greater Lagos urban area. Likewise, Ota & Ibafo in Lagos...

People live in Suleja & Karu and work in Abuja Municipal. Can people live in Abeokuta and work in Lagos? Abeokuta is still too far and disjointed from Lagos for it to be considered part of Lagos metro.

Of course Ibadan is bigger than Kano, we did the measurements and thrashed the issue on a previous thread. I'm sure u were there.

https://www.nairaland.com/5728975/25-largest-cities-urban-areas

Ibadan is bigger than Abuja Municipal. But Abuja is bigger if you add the surrounding Urban areas that it has merged with.

Nowe, living somewhere and working in a larger urban area is not the definition of city limits. Maybe you might want to call that a CMA or a Larger common commuter area. There are people who live in far off towns in England and commute everyday to central london for work because the price of rent in the London city area is off the charts. Like seriously people in towns as close to London as Watford can't even say they live in London talk more people in places like Luton who drive to and from London everyday.

When Lagos-Abeokuta-Ibadan rai becomes a reality and people start railing from Abeokuta to Lagos for work, will Abeokuta suddenly become part of Lagos?
Ibadan as it turns out is larger than both Kano and all of Abuja urban area.

So in Nigeria, the list should go like:

* Lagos Metro
* Ibadan
* Abuja metro
* Kano.
In that order.

Your friend is also overestimating Kaduna, Jos and some other places. For example... Akure looks larger than Owerri to me but your friend's measurement is saying otherwise. If I do the measurements, I would turn out to be right, and your friend wrong.

Nowenuse:
It is very clear that you did not see this thread where most top urban areas of Nigeria were measured.
Go through this thread below and digest it very well, then come back.

https://www.nairaland.com/5728975/25-largest-cities-urban-areas

Karu is now far bigger than you think it is.
It also has a very congested population.

Zuba & Madalla developed from Abuja and merged into Suleja... Suleja merged into Diko and the combined urban area km² of this Zuba-Madalla-Suleja-Diko urban area is about 113km², the same size with Asaba city and bigger than Calabar city.

Karu Urban which is about 188km² is the 5th largest urban area in the north after Abuja, Kano, Kaduna & Jos..... On it's own, it is bigger than Maiduguri, Zaria, Bauchi, Sokoto e.t.c and it is now almost merging with Keffi.
Ado or Uke to Keffi is like 10 mins drive.

Look at the map below and see how Karu Urban is developing. And remember that Karu Urban is the fastest growing Urban area in Africa, at 40% per annum. Almost 10x faster than Lagos.

Your friend tried, but when you go into the fineprint of his measurements for example, one would discover that his measurements for all urban areas were not consistent.
For example, he measured the continuous Ibadan urban sprawl to be 562km², however I did my measurements and went into the details only to discover that the city is in fact 700km² or so which is about 140 SqKm more than what your paddy measured. You will observe that I have used much more pegged points than he has to carefully outline the city limits:

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On to Abuja.
First, Gwagwalada can not be added to Abuja, that is a stretch, seriously Gwagwalada to Abuja CBD is about 47Kms or so as the crow flies, and even more distant by road (56km), in that same distance you would have covered central Akure to central Ado Ekiti or Ibadan to Oyo town , or Port Harcourt to Aba!. That both are in the same FCT does not automatically translate to them being the same.

.. Suleja too to an extent, but the fact that there is a string of settlements between Abuja municipal and Suleja township, I would add Suleja to the Abuja measurement for the sake of argument... I have measure the entire Abuja conurbation from Suleja area in Niger state deep into Nasarawa state, and at the end of it all, it comes to 550km²:, which is waay less than the 850km² your German Igbo friend is allocating to that urban area. I don't know how he did his own measurements.

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As it turns out, Ibadan is still over 150 km² larger than Abuja +Suleja+ Lugbe +Karu and all those other towns that can be considered a part of Abuja metro (within the scope of fair reasoning)

If I measure Lagos, It would be at least 1,500SqKm.. you just have to forget about Lagos. Your friend didn't even Add: Magboro, Loburo, Atan Otta, Owode Otta to Lagos. Neither did he measure all of Ikorodu.
Also, his Lekki measurement is stopping waaaay short of the actual extent of Lekki, so he is really underestimating the Lagos urban area, while he is adding Bwari and Gwagwalada! too Abuja or Ibusa to Asaba, a place that is neither considered the same town nor that much intertwined with Asaba in terms of urban sprawl.

As for Kano, it is already an established fact that ibadan is larger.

EcoBrick:
I have observed this too, I mean the slow down of growth in Abuja in the past 10 years or so. Rather it is densely populated ghettos that are increasingly springing up in the outskirt areas lately. Abuja experienced a lot of infrastructural growth during the Oil-Boom years when oil money really flowed. The Executive and Legislature arms really allocated a lot of funds for its infrastructural development, but that has all changed since oil proceeds slowed down. Abuja's growth will always be tied to Nigeria's federal revenues and budgets. If the economy is performing well and Nigeria's Oil proceeds are high, Abuja will witness infrastructural growth, but if it doesn't, it won't because it is competing for resources with other federal units. I noticed it's IGR has been picking up though, but it's still not yet up to Rivers and Ogun state's though, not to talk of Lagos'. Even Kano is embarking on more ambitious infrastructural projects than Abuja these days.

People will move more to places where they can legitimately hustle than one propped up by the national economy.
If Abuja wants to legitimately compete with Lagos into the far future, it would have to develop an Industrial base, a real organic city structure (not just a city center governmental facade surrounded by shanties and middle class living areas) and then offer residents a diversity of lifestyle choices like Lagos. But I am not sure if that will happen being that it does not tally with Abuja's initial purpose since it is meant to be a planned and serene/orderly city.

Lagos's own problem stems mostly from the general state of transport infrastructure leading to massive bottlenecks such as endless holdups. It should take more to the marine segment while also expanding existing terrestrial road structures including building new ones and increasing linkability between areas by offering more route choices.
It should also try to decentralize governing structure. Let all those LCDA's start operating like independent mini cities. No reason why Lekki should be fundamentally attached to Lagos when it can be its own independent City of Lekki. It will soon have a fully operational Seaport, there are universities there such as the Pan Atlantic University, several industrial complexes, leisure spots, And might soon have an airport!

That is how it usually works in the Western world. Once a suburb gets too big and developed, it becomes an independent incorporated city.

Yes Abuja urban area grew so fast initially, the reason being it was a newly emerging city as a lot of things were being moved away from Lagos and transplanted into Abuja. It happens with every new urban center experiencing a growth spurt. But it will all naturally slow down eventually and grow at a rate just slightly higher than other major urban areas of the country (Bar Lagos and maybe PH and some other new place where something big happens) but nothing as phenomenal as before. In fact it has already slowed. The greatest period of growth of Abuja was between 1995 and 2010. It has slowed somewhat since this er although still growing fast, it will eventually level out.
This is exactly the pattern that Brasilia the new capital city of Brazil followed.

As we speak Lagos is back among the Global top10 so it does not look like Abuja would catch up anytime soon, if ever.

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http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/urban_growth1.html

Karu that is like Ibafo while Kubwa and Madalla together are like Badagry agglo.
Those are the Eastern and Western limits of Abuja proper anything further would be pushing it, and they won't be able to catapult the Abuja agglomeration to topple Lagos. Also Lagos has the coastal, industrial and "Buzz capital" advantage and the ability to form a conurbation with larger surrounding settlements. The closest large town to Abuja is Minna in Niger state, which is even closer than Kaduna. Besides, There are not than much empty green spaces within Lagos except in areas criss-crossed by water which can not be built over, whereas the Abuja area is just too disjointed to form a single continuous urban area. I think because of the undulating terrain.

ZKOSOSO:
Karu area includes Karshi orozo, jikwoyi, Karu site, nyanya, mararaba, new karu, masaka, goshen, Aso, gbagalape,...etc

All join together .