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Iwulo ede abinibi ninu eto oselu.

TAO12:
A deity which you have absolutely no name for in your native tongue was certainly imposed on you by others -- 100%.

"Olokun" was introduced to the Edo people by your closest Yoruba neighbours -- The Itsekiris.

"Olokun" [from the Yoruba words "Olu-Okun" -- "Lord of the Sea"] is a Yoruba deity with a Yoruba name.

We also alternatively call it by the name: "Umale-Okun", or "Imale-Okun", or Umole-Okun, or "Imole-Okun"; meaning "Spirit of the Sea".

All these are pure Yoruba words. Stop attaching screenshots from Edo blogs and fraudulently passing them off as academic materials.

cc: BabaRamota1980, MetaPhysical

You really are schooling these Bini boys over here.

I have aquestion.

Why are Yorubas both young and old always Making waves all across the World?

Dem dey try abeg!

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PVision2020:
And who cares if you support the SW or not?
You think what you can't achieve by fair play you can achieve by your usual emotional blackmail?
Give us Biafra....give us president....give us development...give us yen yen yen, all those lines are stale, you work for what you get and power has never been served on a platter, it maybe new to you guys cause you never had an empire or a centralized system of government, but your old dogs can still learn new tricks.

The last PDP chairmanship election that produced Uche Secondus has cemented the fact that there's nothing like micro zoning, Zoning is between the North and the South (as simple as ABC), Wike and the other PDP stalwarts stated it clearly to the chagrin of the SW and to the cheers of you children of hate who jubilate when policies favours you but try to emotionally blackmail others when it's against you.

It's no mistake that the two northern presidents (Yaradua and Buhari) in this new political dispensation are not only from the same NW region but from the same state Katsina with none of the other regions made up hundreds of tribes crying and wailing like our usual bush babies.

The Mumu Op will support Kanu today, call Nigeria Zoo/shithole and all derogatory name in the book, abuse Hausa-Fulani and Muslims but still want to become the president of the Zoo. We know all your Biafra charade is for political patronage.

Baba How far....

Which one is Igbo apex leader? Lmaoo How is that a position of any political relevance?

Baba is lucky that he is even still in that house, He is the only one left there.

Nigeria's poverty map 2019.

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TAO11:
The word "Benin" and the word "Edo" are latter words too.

Their point is meaningless.

cc: babtoundey

lol... there is an Ijebu in Owo Ondo state.. There is an Ijebujesha in Osun state. There are Owus scattered across Osun, Ogun, Oyo and Kwara. There are local Obas known as Owas in Osun, Ondo and Ekiti. There are Ogboni groups all over Yorubaland even up to Akutupa and Agbaja in Kogi near the Niger river. There is an Ife Odan, Ife Olukotun in Kogi, and another one Ife tedo close to Oke -Igbo in Ondo state. There is no group that does not know who or what Ogun (The god) is. At the centre of every Yoruba town is the Oba's market.
There is no Yoruba group that does not know what is an "Ebora" from Jebba in Kwara down to the Forcados Delta. There is an Ifon in Ondo (Omiima), One in Osun (Orolu) and yet another in Ogun.

Any difference that exists between any two Yoruba groups is not up to 1/10th of the commonalities. That is why it is VERY VERY hard for any Yoruba group to wake up tomorrow and for any reason say they are not Omoluabi.

babtoundey:
Another annoying thing that is daily paraded here is [b]there was nothing like "Yoruba" until year 2020. [/b]Who actually cares to know that? That was was never a term of name that bring all Yoruba together until recently doesn't mean the different people inhabiting the present day Yoruba land were oblivious of one another.

Many things that transcend name bond the Oyos, egbas, ondos, Ekiti, Ijeshas, Owus etc. They related as brothers with common history, ancestor, culture, social, religious and political values.

I swearrugad that seems to be another cheap "go to" argument that they use these days when all other options are exhausted.
They be like "But "What is Yoruba? there was no Yoruba in 19--Gbirigidim". as if all the different clans of Yorubaland sprung from the earth like efo gbure vegetable.

All these people have always existed and were aware of one another. They share mythology, customs, societal structure, religion and spirituality, dialects within a spectrum, myth of origin, dynastic interlinking marriages, wars and tribulations E.tc together. The small Yoruba faction in Delta North which came from the eastern flank of yorubaland are known as Olukumi. Not so shockingly Yorubas in diaspora which mostly descend from people who were from the Western flanks of Yorubaland are also known as Lucumis in the Americas. ... No waiit.... so these people actually existed prior to 1800? "Pretending to be shocked'

let ekeremor ppl catch you.

AreaFada2:
You are free to swear as you like since it seems that is the sign of sophistication you guys hype yourselves about.

When I see something stoopied, I simply call it out without mincing words.

But I will explain about Oba title. Until 1897, body traditional ruler within Benin Empire sphere of influence would have been able to use the title Oba. Not Eleko of Lagos until 1850s when the British colonised Lagos, not Olu of Warri, not even Ewi of Ado-Ekiti or such.

See Benin sacking of Akure and beheading if Ewi Arakale of Ado in 1818 and why.

Yorubas are the ones who call the Oba of Lagos Eleko, just like they call other Yoruba Obas in other domains different other appellations. That doesn't mean they all weren't one before. Till today, Oba of Lagos is still called Eleko.... influence of British or not, you can't ask people not to speak their native language.

In Edoid language areas they would use titles derived from Benin words Ogie (chief), Enogie (duke). In Esanland what are now kings remain Onojie, in Delta it's Ovie, Orodje etc. Of course most have now been elevated to king status.

Ogie is not Chief.. otherwise you would have to explain why Ogiuwu means King/Lord of Death in Benin language.

Oba has is just a shortened version in Benin. Just one of the king's title as in OMO n'OBA n'EDO UKU AKPOLOKPOLO.

In many royal traditions a prince or princes is simply called child. Such as in Spain. A prince is infante. A princess is Infanta.

Well, Oba is not a short of anything in Yoruba,. Oba is simply Oba. A prince is simply Omoba and if it the eldest boy the Omoba Aremo or Arole Oba.

Omo n'Oba n'Edo means he or a child that shines for Benin. So that child or Omo as part of title is known elsewhere.
Historically Eweka l was pretty much a child when he became de facto Oba. He was called the child that shines for Benin.

I don't understand Benin language very well... but I like this formulation, keep it up. so if "Ba" means shinning in Benin, then they had better let us know that it does not exactly mean king in the real sense.

Although Ogisos were Simply use Oba to mean shining as in Obagodo. No Omo added then.

The first semi-mythical Ogiso of beniin is Ogiso Igodo. And that was what it was always popularly known by. If it at some point later started becoming/became "Ogiso Obagodo" that would be as a result of later influence. And is even a tautology as Ogie-iso already means King.

RedboneSmith:
A little question, please.

If Oba is the generic Yoruba word for King, what about Olu? It is just a mere synonym, or are there differences between Olu and Oba?

Or is the difference one of dialect, where Oba is prevalent in one part of Yorubaland and Olu is prevalent in another?

Olu is like a Lord of a province. which can also mean a King or not.

Olu of Ibadan is Olubadan
Oluwa - Lord most high
Olu of Ilaro is the lord of Ilaro.
Olu of Warri (ogiame) is the lord of Warri
Olu of Otta is the Olotta.
Olu of Ikare is the Olukare

It is not a dialectal difference per say as it exists in all Yoruba dialects. it is just semantics.
It is like saying "King Edward who is the Lord of France, Monarch of the Gauls and Sovereign of all lands there in"

Edeyoung:
We are assuming it is yoruba, but why was the name adopted for generality

No assumptions. It is simply Yoruba, no arguments.

All those other words (or Appellations) you are quoting do not mean King.

Kabiyesi does not mean King. It means - "Must not be questioned"
Ooni which is short for "Owoni and derived from an even older Yoruba term "Oghonne" does not mean King.
Alaafin does not mean King.
These are all just regional identifiers for various Obas.

What is King in Yoruba language is "Oba". The prmordial Yoruba Orisha "Obatala" means the "King of purity". Oba meaning king, and Ala meaning purity. There is also Obaluaye, Obalufon etc. All meaning King of different things/entities/concepts.

LorrdSky:
[s]Those tribes you mentioned were not inferior, they were part of Edo the Benin Empire.

Argue with your ancestors [/s]

Stop fooling yourself. They were all inferior to Binis because at the apex of the Benin kingdom was the Benin royal court and chieftain followed by the Benin people. That is why Benin did not allow any other traditional ruler in that area to bear OBA as a title. Something they themselves got from the Yorubas. That is why they would use urhobos as human sacrifice and why they would sell Afemais into slavery.

The entire Benin court culture was imported from Yorubaland. Oba as a word for the paramount ruler DOES NOT exist in any Edoid language but Benin. What you will see is Ojie, Ogie, Ovie Etc... and even in Benin there are still two words Oba and Ogie.
A Benin troupe still performed 'Ijesu N'Ogie' or 'Jesus is King' at my company's december gala. That is the default word for king in the Benin language EXCEPT when they are specifically referring to the palace court of the Omonoba which then they use 'Oba'.

LorrdSky:
The Benin Empire colonized the YorubaLand so the Yorubas adopted the tradition of Benin people.

Yoruba people in Togo went as far as renaming their country from Dahomey to Benin Republic.

Stoopid.
So Benin 'colonized' Yoruba and Yorubas adopted Oba, but the neighbouring Esan, Afemai, Isoko, Urhobo people that speak similar languages and share similar customs from the start could not adopt it? lol.... shouldn't that tell you that it is actually a word that came from the Yoruba direction?
Oba is a Yoruba word planted into Benin just like many other Yoruba traditions and Vocabulary now replete in the Bini language.... Like Kpataki, Ogede, Itan, Aga, Ada, Olori (Oloi), Ogun, Ago, Olo (grinding stone), kpekpeye, Esu, Olokpa..... and countless more.... in fact, ethnolinguists have estimated that at least 14%-16% of the modern Edo (Benin) language are borrowings from Yoruba.

This is just a very silly thread... It is like asking why Eni or Okan means one in Yoruba or why Enu means mouth in Yoruba or why Ada means machete in Yoruba and Obe means Knife.
How can you be asking 'why' a word means something in a language it is native to? I don't get it. It just is.

But I thought Abia is God's own state which Coronavirus "can never enter" because it is the only state mentioned in the Bible....
All these our educated illiterate politicians.

Corruption has absolutely permeated every sector of the Nigerian society.

It is sad.

Ayegba Abdullahi was someone I used to think had sense before.
He has proven strongly otherwise. Igala in Ogun and Osun.

Nowenuse:
In Kwara south, Igbolo & Igbomina people are 50-50! While Ekiti people (Ekiti & Oke-oro) are entirely Christians. Do the mathematics for yourself and see.

Christians slightly outnumber Muslims in Kwara south because of the Ekiti speaking people who are entirely Christians.

Don't mind them. Among Yoruba Kwarans, there are Christians in Kwara as far north as Shaare and Jebba in the North. Plenty Nupe and Baruba Christians too, but some people here would rather make us believe there is no single christian in Kwara.
It's not even Nupe or Baruba people that have this mentality but those slaves who sit down in Ilorin planning rubbish.

MelesZenawi:
Firstly punch is not a newspaper but a propaganda machine full of lies.

As reported by Vanguard

Coronavirus: Fresh facts emerge on Anambra’s index case

FRESH facts have emerged that the COVID-19 index case discovered in Anambra State on Friday actually visited the two major cities of Awka and Onitsha before traveling to his home town, Adazi in Anaocha local government area and was admitted at St Joseph’s Hospital in the town.

“The case was first treated as a mild malaria unknowingly at Regina-Caeli Hospital, Awka. He left and later traveled to Onitsha, before returning to Adazi-Nnukwu hospital where it was finally suspected to be Covic-19, after exhibiting the symptoms. “Result came in and it was positive,” Sunday Vanguard was told yesterday.

Our source could not confirm if the index case visited any hospital in Onitsha, or other places he visited in the city before returning to Adazi.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/04/coronavirus-fresh-facts-emerge-on-anambras-index-case/?fbclid=IwAR0Bffxr9x5R584q35N1lCF-lVnkugITIUQ0M1_reDBZITISkCq9TFSM1PU

So Vanguard which according to you are the real newspapers are the ones calling COVID-19 Covic-19?

darfay:
But Yorubas in lagos are selling their lands to foreigners soon to be Left with nothing. I wonder the phantom uncles and aunties in ekiti you keep referring to

Same way the same Yorubas have taken over all the oil companies and establishments in your state.... All na benefits of One Najeriya. Abi no be so?

These ones are just focusing their attention in the wrong places.. Shooking mouth into something that isn't their business just to trend. Awon charge and bail audio lawyers.

Same way Nigeria's obtuse judiciary wanted to convict Naira marley who obviously had no role in the organizing of the mini house party. They later realised how wrong ther were and withdrew.

See the press in front of the court house where Funke and her husband's hearing was carried out.

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Just moments after convicting a couple for "breaking the rules of the quarantine"....Selective justice oshi.

darfay:
Tribalist chai, the progenitor of Yoruba race is a benin ex convict. Continue with your minority shaming here, while your brothers in Lagos and ogun have sold all their lands to the great Igbo race

lol co.ck sucking will not save you. You even had repeat street talk and cower under igbos to take a meaningless jab at Yorubas. As long as Nigeria remains one an Igbo man is free to live in Lagos either as a tenant or a land owner, same way an Isoko like you is free to lease a farmland for manual labour in Ore or crush palm kernels for people in Ekiti.
Binis and other Edos do not natively call melon Egusi but Ikpogi. You FAIL (as usual).

darfay:
Minority shaming as usual, Yeribanzaz are hardcore tribalist walahi even between yourselves. When Yoruba Christians are oppressing Yoruba Muslims daily in ekiti and ondo, why won't you find it easy to opress minority tribes and drag soup with them
Go on, attack minorities as usual

Yes we are tribalist.
Done? Face your front abeg. Sobo man... all your uncles and cousins are in okitipupa busy picking palm fruits and cultivating peoples' farms, and you are here abusing your benefactors.
I don't have your time this hot afternoon.

darfay:
Typical Yoruba man. Coming to drag soup with minority tribes.

Owo mi da tribe.

lol, who dey follow you drag anything?
You this guy from a two local government tribe. Yorubas on a typical day can't see you anywhere even after looking round.
Back to topic.

darfay:
Nawa o.
Minority shaming? How demeaning?
You Started attacking minority tribes because I only stated that egusi belongs to the bini people and igbos had a better claim

No, I attacked you BECAUSE rather than contributing meaningfully to the topic at hand, you came cruising into the thread sucking dick and insulting at the same time.

What do the Edos, Urhobos, Isokos, Ishans and all the other minorities in that region call Egusi, if not Ikpogiri.
Yorubas call melon seeds Egusi and nothing else.

darfay:
Egusi is Benin, not Yoruba!!!!
You guys are terrible cooks?
Where in Yoruba Land have you historically grown egusi?
Igbos have a better claim than you?
But it's still benin

Tell us what YOUR OWN TRIBE ISOKO has contributed to Nigerian cuisine instead of your unnecessary hating and bickering.
All these minorities and their low self esteem ehn?! It stinks to the high heavens.

Jollof rice - General
Moi-moi (mai-mai, moin-moin) also called Olele or Oole - Yoruba
Egusi soup (Obe Egusi)- Yoruba
Akara - Yoruba

Other shared foods and(or) snacks.
Booli - Yoruba
Guguru & Epa - Yoruba
Suya - Hausa
Dodo - Yoruba
Pepper soup - Dunno (Anyone who knows?)
Puffpuff/chinchin/Buns - General
Garri - Only God knows. Na thisone dey hard me pass.
Pekere (fried plantain chips) - Yoruba
Zobo - Hausa
Eko/Agidi - Yoruba and Igbo
Akamu/Ogi/Koko - Likely General.
Kunu - Hausa
Kulu-Kuli - Yoruba/Nupe/Hausa
Palm sap (wine) - Common drink in the south and center.

I don't know if these ones are general or regional. Or regional transitioning into General.
Kokoro - Yoruba
Abacha - Igbo
Donkwa - Hausa
Aadun - Yoruba
Alewa - Hausa
Baba dudu/Chesbin Mallam/Alagbon - Yoruba/Hausa
Ube - Likely Igbo/Eastern NNigeria.
Asun - Yoruba
Nkwobi - Igbo
Ukwa - Igbo

Apparently all Nigerian major groups have contributed substantially to our general cuisines.