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GBR1:
Go through the posts on this page as you're bringing up stuff i have addressed already.
I won't spend anymore time on this debate because it seems with every new post i make regards the issue, it appears i'm spending my time as the hater you guys are trying so hard to see me as.

I have gone through all, all I can see are many questions posted to you left unanswered.

GBR1:
How many times have you stated the decisions against Barcelona? I bet you miss some of the decisions against them too. What i'm simply stating is that you can't do this job better than Barcelona fans themselves which you are not or Barcelona fans find this easier to do than you. If Bayern plays Barcelona, do you think your opinions on decisions in that match would align exactly with those of Barcelona folks?


I have already faulted your flawed logic you attempted in using to defend Barcelona earlier and i would advise you to stop making things difficult for yourself.

Barcelona still played Bayern last season, and I can't remember any divided opinions between the fans of both clubs.

GBR1:
The major thing i can make out from this post of your's which i would like to address is that it's easier to be see those things in favor of Barcelona when you are a fan. You guys shouldn't always expect such discretion from opposition fans and an individual failing to state the shortcomings of some decisions against Barcelona doesn't necessary make him/her an hater.
My only client is United, and in this case United wasn't involved so i'm most likely gonna be unbiased, not stating that i couldn't be wrong though.

The emboldened says it all. You were wrong sir. Dayo who is not a fan of Barca had already pointed out so many decisions that went against Barca, but you called him out for doing so, you would have wished he overlooks the injustices against Barca and focus his strength on the ones that favoured Barca to just aid what you guys have been spreading about, which still renders you a biased person.
You are a Man U supporter, the wrong refs decision that went in your favour is well documented, and you don't see a Barca fan going everywhere campaigning against your successes over the years. So, you don't expect us to see you as a neutral person if all you come here to highlight are the decisions that favoured Barca just to drive home your point.

GBR1:
You just gave a single incident against Barcelona and you'd agree with me that's not enough to define a match as a controversy especially when considers when the number of such events in the 2nd leg. I'm sure Chelsea got some decisions against them as well but they didn't possess that much relevance in the scheme of things as eventually that leg ended 0-0 and the tie wasn't decided yet. No one knew Barcelona was going to find it that difficult in the 2nd leg.

Let's even say i agree with you regards Abidal's red card, event of which occured in the 66th minute. But Abidal actually should have been sent off much earlier for worse actions he had committed.
Barcelona had 11 men till the 66th minute and they failed to score in this time which consisted of majority of the match's time, so what's the logic in Barcelona scoring in fewer time after this with 10 men?

Generally, you have used the event of Abidal's red card wrongly and i won't debate this further.

Like i've stated earlier i don't take pleasures in discussing conspiracies especially these kind of controversies where logic can be manipulated critically or analysis difficult to interprete. My earlier posts hinged majorly on the event in 2009 and i have admitted already that i might have failed to list out injustices against Barcelona so this is also negligible.

Take my advice; my replies here are not enough to draw any sort of conclusion on where i belong. I could as well defend Barcelona regards the event in 2009 and actually be the hater some of your folks think i am.

You didn't answer the questions sir!
If you saw the 1st game really, I would like to know the decisions that went against Chelsea.
If you admit Abidal was wrongfully sent off, I think you should have answered the questions thereafter. If he was not wrongfully sent off, Barca would have ended the match with their solid defender, they could have scored more, none of those incidents you guys cry foul about probably would have happened.

If you could have as well defended Barca as regards the event, that qualifies you to be a lawyer who is paid to only defend his client, discuss what favours his client and close eyes to those that don't. Which in this case, nullifies the objectivity issue.

dmcdad:
Like I stated from my earlier post, from your very first posts yesterday, I noticed a good level of objectivity. And even though you over stressed some issues in order to kinda bring Barça to a bad light, I still gave it to you fof being honest for the most part.

And like I also stated, as you made more posts, you started bringing that hate part that is already a part of almost every non-Barça fan out there. Now read where I typed almost, which means not all, so you don't misquote me. It's really hard for you to find a non-Barça fan who speaks well of Barça today. It's as hard as a camel going through the eye of a niddle.

As much as I troll or hate on my rivals, I don't fail ever to highlight where they are right. For haters like maybe yourself, cause I still can't say you ain't one with all the favours you have counted for Barça without acknowledging anyone against. For you guys, the only thing you saw in the clasico was the disallowed goal by Bale. By every standard that was a genuine goal. But you guys never talked about the clear foul Ramos committed against Messi in the first half. It was either just at the edge of the box, or inside the box, but the ish there was that it would have meant another yellow for Ramos, which would have meant an early red. Now imagine Ramos getting a red in the first half and imagine the possible outcome. That is not to even mention the potential penalty for us. So, you guys only see what favours Barça and not the other way round.

Pep said something when he was still with us. After a game against Sevilla where the ref made some errors that cost us the game, Pep said; sometimes decisions go your way and other times it goes against you. That you should play so well that decisions against you doesn't affect the score. I will never forget that. And that is what has happened to be like our watchword. Did Barça whine over Messi's winning goal against Atletico which the ref wrongly blew for offside and thereby made us lose the Liga trophy on the last day of the league at home in 2014? Of course we didn't and I bet you never knew about this until today. But imagine it was in favour of Barça. We for no hear word till this world end.

Well, the bone of contention for me is that, if you must highlight some controversial happenings in favour of Barça, then you should be able and ready to do same in cases where it goes against Barça, else I will term you to be one of em haterz.

You don try jor! You sure say the guy fit answer all the questions dem don ask am? E no go come back again. Imagine even giving kudos to Dayo for supporting Barca ehn? Does that mean once one is not a Barca fan, one should leave the the truth and join the bandwagon? I tire for these guys oooo.

@GBR1
I have been following your post and must commend your effort. Having read so many things said about our successes over the years and how it's tainted by that '09 incident against Chelsea which I want to believe you would still have a good memory of the game.
1.In the 1st leg of the match, Thiery Henry was completely pulled down on the ball by a Chelsea defender when faced with an empty net as Cech had dived the other way, the ref waved it off. Was Barca robbed or not?
2. Abidal was sent off for a non existent foul, was Barca robbed or not?
3. Did any of the incidents where it's claimed Chelsea should have been awarded a PK happen before Abidal was sent off or after?
4. If Abidal was not wrongfully sent off, don't you think Barca would have scored more goals as they would have had more players to throw forward?
5. If Abidal was not wrongfully sent off, do you think any of those incidents would have occurred? Don't you think Barca would have had a solid defender at the back which would have helped in checking the unnecessary threats posed by Chelsea due to the loss of a solid defender?
6. Why did you fail to add Terry's red card to the list of favours received by Barca? Was it because Chelsea later won the game? If yes, would you have thought otherwise had Chelsea won the '09 tie too?
Your objectivity in answering the questions would give us an idea of where you really belong.

It's obvious the guys referring to some incidents in the past are suffering from selective memory. I have been waiting to see among the list of incidents the red card Terry got in our last encounter with Chelsea. But, none mentioned it simply because Chelsea won. Rather than also term it as part of Uefalona conspiracy, they always brag about winning Barca with a man down. Trust me, if they had lost the match that day, it would have been added as past of uefa conspiracy and argued they lost because of the red card.
I have read where an Arsenal fan said they would have won if RVP was not red carded but failed to remember Puyol too was once red carded in a match against them. No one ever mentioned that. And one keeps wondering why they have not been able to win even when it was 11 vs 11.
They immediately became Athletico sympathisers as usual claiming they would have won had Tores not red carded. They forgot athletico are yet to defeat Barca in the past 6 games prior to that one even when they were complete, and twice they have scored 1st before Barca came behind to win.
Raumdeuter has done enough teaching as usual and it's left to them to either enjoy the good game served by the best club or continue in their deluded suffering of selected memory.

So you still believe say Krasid na Madrid fan? He's just a CR7 fan boy. Had his hero scored despite the loss, he would have been on our thread to remind us of how many goals he has in UCL.

dmcdad:
Where krasid still? Abi them never discharge from Yaba left?

usbcable:
is that not how they got their own first goal.
So why would any ref deny us our own penalty?

You know exactly what I meant!

bykebyke:
Don't worry..if your team ever becomes relevant in Europe,you will get same protection.

Word!

dmcdad:
Trust them because of their Clasico victory? C'mon, I you and I know better.

If it were on the part of Madrid, I wouldn't say much about how they are gonna perform. But I speak from the angle of the away team. It's no news teams (bar Atletico or Barça) fear Madrid especially at the Bernabéu. Madrid have not been great thus far with Zizou at the helm of affairs. They win against Sevilla wasn't convincing. The win against Roma at the Bernabéu was outta shear luck because Roma failed to take their clear-cut chances, probably outta fear for playing a team like Madrid at the Santiago Bernabéu.

The problem with Sevilla, Roma and the same Wolfsburg will have in the Bernabéu is that they will play with fear and uneasiness. This will definitely affect their psychology and thereby give Madrid the ultimate edge. I'll reiterate this still, if they can probably outta luck get to score before Madrid does, then the tie is over. But if not, it will be very difficult for them to hold Madrid at the Bernabéu.

Take the fear factor I talked about away, and they will prove a tough nut to crack. Schalke 04 did it last season, and if they had few minutes extra, they would have qualified ahead of Madrid. But the question now is; would Wolfsburg be able to play with such gut like Schalke did albeit they were overpowered in the first leg. It's all about the mindset, the tactics deployed and chances created/converted.

You have a point really. We can only hope Wolfsburg are brave enough to take it to them.
As per the emboldened :Dna joke

Cable:
Your dear team has tried this season, you guys can start preparing for next season. After all, pichichi is still sure as ever coupled with the euphoria of winning a clasico.
Tell your coach to relax, his job is secure and intact at least for the rest of this season. He has paid his due, he won his 1st clasico, something your past four managers couldn't win even with their aura of achievements and packages.
I'd wished you guys qualify for the semis for a possible clasico, but, luck has always been your best friend. Should you qualify, you might be drawn against Either PSG or City. You guys would dismantle City and PSG have shown they can't stop you if their group stage meeting with you guys is anything to go by. I don't want you guys to ride on cheer luck to the finals, that's why I am happy Wolfsburg are doing the good job. Your team embarrassed Spanish league by losing to 8th placed team in the Buli (Sevilla would have done better), we can only hope they finish the good work they have started next week.

dmcdad:
Of course una go win and even qualify for sure. Wolfsburg will probably approach the game with fear and unease and as such, they will be hammered.

At least 4-0 is what I envision.

Keep giving Cable and his sorry team a false hope ehn. I told you Madrid might not get to the semis despite the easy draw when the draw was made. I saw the game and I don't need an angel to tell me that those guys are gonna score at least a goal in the return fixture. You seem to have so much trust in this Madrid team probably due to the clasico win. They can't revert to the tactics they deployed against us. They can't be playing a high line defence just to keep the Wolves forwards offside as they played us,they are not even a force to be reckoned with and Wolfsburg will take the game to them come next week barring any robbery such as awarding a penalty for ball hitting a player at the back or a foul committed outside the box.

iPopAlomo:
The supposed best team in the world can't play without help...

The same way they were helped when they annihilated your sorry club home and away.

Don't take it personal bro, when your team starts going beyond round of 16 in the UCL, maybe UEFA can also be helping you then.

iPopAlomo:
As usual... ignore the message and attack the messenger...

On the contrary, the message is already addressed. We need to know what UEFA has got to do with a Liga clasico with reference to Bale's disallowed goal.
You may also care to tell us why we are yet to have UEFA-Chelsea since Arsenal's players were sent off in the match against Chelsea home and away this season.

dmcdad:
Sebod, bykebyke, coded01, homesteady et al make una come see am. Me no get anything to talk put.

I never knew it's UEFA that's in charge of Liga where Bale's goal was disallowed, Barca must be so special to Uefa for wanting them to win the clasico in a league where Madrid own the officials. Even Fifa wants Barca to win the league. I'll like to know when Arsenal too will become Uefa, Fifa and even Epl favourite.

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dmcdad:
@sebod

Moreso, that's why all hell broke lose just because we lost a clasico. Yeah, clasico ain't an everyday game and is always serious, but come on, we lost to our rivals who trails us by 7 points (10 points before the game) and yet the world almost asked for the head of the players.

We have been spoilt. Infact, we are like spoilt brats. Like some rich man's daughter who has been spoilt with getting anything and everything she wants. And all these are the reasons why haterz hate the way they do.

Imagine you live in a street where a rich man's daughter does whatever she likes. Buys whatever she needs, or doesn't need for the sake of the fact that her father has got the cash, and while you and the vast majority of others keep dying of want. Now tell me; how would you honestly feel? If you say you won't feel jealous or envious or angry and vexed about her actions would take special grace. It won't be easy at all, as you see that she has everything you don't have. This is what happens with Barça and the rest of the world. They can only dream of having an iota of what we get without even breaking a sweat, and yet they won't get it.

Or how can you explain the fact that with all the mouth-watering trophies Madrid have in their cabinet, they are yet to win it all at once, that is win a treble. Meanwhile your fiercest rival wins it, and is almost making it habitual now. Imagine how you would feel in such case. Little wonder Benitez said what drives Madrid and Perez crazy all the more is the success Barça are able to gain even with all the odds.

If you ask me, I'd say God is a fan of the best club in the world. God is a fan of FCBarcelona.

Més cue un club.
Visça el Barça!

You will now celebrate when you hear that the lady failed a subject in WAEC forgetting that she will still get admission into a private university while you keep battling with jamb

45 goals in 45 matches: what a perfect stat!
Suarez has scored a whooping 45 goals in his 45 appearances for this season, an average of one goal per match.
Yet, he's been subjected to lots of criticism and bashing here(myself inclusive) for failure to convert every chance presented. We want him to score over 60 goals in 45 matches. That's the level of expectation we have developed over time from our super stars. We want nothing short of perfection always, that's why we can easily bash whoever is not performing up to that already set standard.
Every club will kill to have any of the MSN in their team, and here we have the three playing harmoniously for us.
Arsenal with Suarez and his stat would be sitting comfortably on top of their league, Man U with him would have spared Rooney of all the blames and bashing he gets from the fans while Chelsea with him would be fighting for the league by now. We are blessed to have the best striker in the world playing for our dear team.
We are Cules, we support the best club in the world, we have been spoilt by the club and players. That's why some envy while others hate!

dmcdad:
I remember bruv, but I will wait for the return leg. But honestly, I'm already taken-aback. Even if they end up crashing out, I would still respect them though as I never thought they could even muster a draw, let alone a win.

Just a goal for them would mean Madrid have to score 4 goals to qualify. Let's get our arms crossed till then.

sebod:
Don't be surprised if Madrd don't get to the semis despite the easy draw.

Dmcdad, can you remember this? Would you change your mind now or still wait for the return leg?

Mcleo007:
The way those mofos talk up the "ojoro" ish, eh, you'd think the ref wears a barca jersey or the UEFA President doubles as Fc Barcelona President. Smh

It's understandable when a PSG, Madrid, City, Bayern, Benfica fans are praying and wishing Barca lose, you'll understand that they are trying to avoid being drawn up against us. But, when a guy who's team does not even have any iota of hope playing in the next UCL, or whose team's chance of qualifying for the next UCL hinges on a tiny thread is crying foul and calling ojoro for a decision that's well made in a game involving Barca, then, you'll know there's more to it than just hating.

dmcdad:
#Respect.

You are d boss!

Give that Man U team to Mourinho and ask him to play Barca. He knows there's no way this current team is gonna defeat Barca and he must have something to back up his loss. He will just instruct Martial to go wound Messi and get sent off. He would walk to the press room and then blame the loss on red card as if his team even stands a chance if they are 13 in number. And alas! The whole epl fans will subscribe to the excuse.
It's high time guys moved on from all these flimsy excuses just to discredit a club that has achieved a lot over the years.

Mcleo007:
Barcelona are not been favoured by anybody, organisation or committee. Why teams normally get red card against Barcelona is simply because of their pattern of play. For instance in La Liga; Atletico Madrid, Athletic Bilbao, Real Madrid, Valencia and Sevilla are teams that presses high and play physical football which doesn't suit Barca. . When these teams or any other team that has those similar attributes play against Barcelona, there chances of getting red card are always high. Barcelona philosophy lies on possession. They are a team that enjoys having the ball always more than there opponents. That is why Barcelona will always have a ball possession of 55% to 75% in every match they play, not minding the team they are playing against. . So whenever Barcelona enjoys having the ball and passes it around, other teams are been fraustrated especially those who play physical football most especially Atletico Madrid. They are been put under unnecessary pressure and they mark or tackle anyhow in other to collect the ball thereby leading them to commiting fouls and been booked. . They way people talk about these issue is really really digusting. People thinks Barcelona are been favoured, but thats not the truth. Players like Busquets, Neymar and Suarez can commit you with any slightest foul you commit against them. Thats how they play their own football. Is not about the Referee or any type of favouritism. Barcelona phisolophy simply puts teams in danger of getting a red card and thats how it will continue to be. NO FAVOURITISM!!!

The same happened with the Guardiola era. Lol. When Barcelona became unstoppable (losing once or twice a year) Madridiots pulled the "Uefalona" card. Lol. You can keep on thinking up names and Barca will keep on thinking on how to fit their next few trophees in their cabinet.

Well said bro.
In addition, the clasico was always a match to look forward to until Mourinho came and took it to another level of hatred. The only way he could win Barca then was to play dirty and eventually blame the loss on red card. Anceloti brought sanity and clasico was again nice to watch. He won the clasico without playing dirty and getting his players sent off.
The same way Simeone has instructed his players to play dirty against Barca. The league match was a clear indication that they were ready to kill just to win. Many teams have won us without resorting to brutal tackles, I wonder why they couldn't tow same lane only for some dudes to cry foul when players are sent off for a deserved offence.

BarcaBlood:
U'll knw wen haters are talking. U can't actually expect him 2 like barca in any way. We denied his team 2 ucls. 2 oh not 1

I don't agree sir. There are so many like him who have been wounded over time by Barca who are still calling a spade a spade and not just a mere working tool. Even cable, our staunch enemy would never do that.

ollah1:
You dey mind the two faced biatch. They actually want players to be pardoned for their offences even if its grievous. Some people are just pathetic. The poster you quoted analysed the incident without bias but some nitwits will claim they don't hate Barca cos they commended some couple of their players.

When we lost to Madrid, so many epl fans rushed here to troll. Yes, it was accepted by me because they have been praying for such an opportunity for long. No one saw it coming, we were all carried away by the beautiful results the team has been getting. But, the loss brought us all back to reality and the trolls reminded us that nothing is won until all is won.
Many of them didn't come here to shout ojoro, because there's still some that would never allow sentiments to be cloud their sense of judgement. One of them is the poster I quoted.
You can always hate, but, when you allow hatred to dictate to you, to the point of claiming Ramos and Tores should have stayed on the pitch for 90 mins,then its something else.

When Chelsea lost to Barca in a match where a Chelsea player was sent off for a foul on Messi, Mourinho lamented that Barca could never defeat any complete Epl team in a bid to get sympathisers to himself. I can't count how many times Epl teams have been raped even with complete squad.
He went to Italy and won the UCL albeit defeating Chelsea in a controversial way, all his epl supporters kept mute and instead praised his heroics.
He was then hired by Madrid to continue his good work, after being totally destroyed in the league with his squad intact in numbers, he quickly deployed the dirtiest way of playing Barca. He invented 'operation break their legs'. His player was sent off and his team lost in the UCL game, he was quick to tag the loss on Uefa, Unicef, Fifa conspiracy and immediately won the sympathy of his Epl followers. Hence, 'Uefalona'
Barca have won several games in the UCL against a team that play football. There has been calm everywhere since Barca have not been playing against a Mourinho team. Arsenal, City, Man U, PSG, Juve, Madrid and co have all suffered in the hands of Barca even with their complete squads severally.
Diego Simeone has now decided to deploy Mou's approach by instructing his team to play dirty as that's the only way he thinks they could stop Barca. The players are sent off due to wreck less tackles and suddenly the name uefalona has resurfaced. We didn't play such teams in the UCL last season, and we won the UCL without any shout of ojoro.
The question now is: should the refs drop their cards when coming to officiate a Barca match? Should they always pardon all offences against Barca players no matter how brutal they are?
Two Athletico players got red card in the last league match when Barca were winning, haters never questioned their reckless play but were swift to ask why Barca couldn't score more than two goals against a 9 man team, all because they always expect us to win big.
They lost a man in the UCL when leading, and it's Barca that's doing ojoro because refs should always overlook any brutal foul against Barca because the players are super human and are immune to injury.
Some cules here were quick to point out the ref error that favoured Barca in a game against Villareal, some even asked questions why Bale's goal was disallowed in the clasico, that's objectivity.
But, when you are quick to label Barca uefalona because of an offence so glaring from Ramos and Tores(an offence they claimed responsibility for), you should not be angry when you are called whatever names, just because that's the highest degree of hypocrisy.

Nihilist:
Toress was infinitely foolish yesterday.

The Neymar foul was stuppidd, he then followed up by barging Rakitic which the ref ignored, then finally that daft tackle on Busquets wey no dey hesistate to go to ground if you even breathe on him, let alone assault him with such reckless abandon.

I felt like slapping the f00l. I still do.

I have tried to remain silent and just be reading some ridiculous comments here on how Barça are always helped by refs when they do their job of giving out cards to deserved offenders, but, this your post wouldn't just allow me.
I must confess you are a real football fan who sees games and analyse without sentiments.
To those boiling and raking on what's not, are we saying refs should not come to the field with cards in a game involving Barca? Are we saying any offender should be parted at the back because he's playing against Barca? Are we sayind Ramos, Tores should have been pardoned for obvious offence all because it was a game against Barca? Why would someone not be termed as 'hating' when he still opens his mouth to call Barca names for Tores getting a red card for an offence he himself has apologised for? SMH for some people really!

Luis Enrique 7-0 Simeone:

FCB 3-1 ATM
FCB 1-0 ATM
ATM 2-3 FCB
ATM 0-1 FCB
ATM 1-2 FCB
FCB 2-1 ATM
FCB 2-1 ATM

Suarez has now scored 45 goals in 45 matches. What a nice stat even though he could have score over 60.

Well done to the boys for a job well done.

chic2pimp:
UEFALONA AT IT AGAIN!.........Uefa might as well just do us all a favour hand the trophy over to Barca. Why prolong it really

And we will gladly collect it. After all, that's what we have been working hard for.

coded01:
One thing I noticed with comments flying around... No one is acknowledging Rakitic's impact in keeping Ronaldo quiet...

Immediately he was subbed off... Dani Alves was completely exposed for what he is...

I don't blame Turan...His inclusion was to booster our attack n as usual there was 1 or 2 times Dani Alves had clear opportunity of creating a fast counter attack pass to Turan but he chosed to pass sideways or backward...

After all they are humans... --- Treble loading...

You must have not seen this

sebod:
The foul on Messi was not a penalty as it happened very close to the edge.
I don't think our defenders relaxed in the last 20 mins too. The removal of Rakitic piled more pressure on them. Rakitic was responsible for shutting down Modric in the middle. He never allowed his fellow countryman have any impact on the game while still supporting Alves on the flank to silent CR7. That allowed Busi to do his work well and gave balance to the midfield. He was already on a yellow card and the coach removed him for Arda. Arda was probably carried away by the awe of playing his 1st clasico as he was no where to be found. That gave room for Modric to stamp his authority and took control of the midfield. Iniesta too was already worn out which left Busi to be exposed against Madrid mid fielders which in return increased the pressure on our defence. Marcelo and CR7 were let lose on the flank while Modric and Kroos had their time through the middle. Zidane introduced a sharp Jesse and our defence couldn't handle the pressure. Hence, the collapse.

Rakitic ensured both Modric and CR7 had a quiet game while he was on the pitch. Arda should have come in for Iniesta while Messi should have engaged Marcelo from the flank. E don happen sha, after all, they are human as you have rightly said.
Athletico will pay dearly for the loss.

Ikennablue:
hmm...bro this your analysis was very helpful, I hope we win our match against atletico Madrid, or do u see any reason why atletico will b a hard nut??

Athletico would approach the match hoping to get something positive to take back home. But, I am sure our team is already recharged enough to do the damage. We are likely gonna kill the game in the 1st leg.