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PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 12:55am On Apr 23, 2011
Come on its just humor grin

Russell peters makes fun of Indians all the time. Indians dont get mad. Its good to laugh at yourself once in a while. There is really nothing wrong with it. Its funny that you had no trouble with the fact that she made fun of the US.

Seems you are more Nigerian than I thought. Well you just moved one step from being an americana to omonaija
PoliticsRe: Why Does The Nigerian President Dress Like A Clown? by SEFAGO(m): 12:48am On Apr 23, 2011
chiogo:
Yea, I guess I did. . .not that this is a good time to be 'back'. But this place seems a little lively again, no wonder  tongue smiley
Hi SEFAGO! smiley Are u at Harvard now? lol
What gave you that impression? I stopped school. I am doing NYSC now in lagos.

How you dey? How is school and life sha
PoliticsRe: Why Does The Nigerian President Dress Like A Clown? by SEFAGO(m): 12:42am On Apr 23, 2011
Fact Remains, that President Jonathan has violated the laws of Presidential Swag

1) Our President lacks swag

2) Lacking Swag in the international community affects us all

3) Swag in a President Matters a lot

To improve his Swag he needs a Yoruba Tailor. But then you can give the emperor clothes but he might not know how to wear them.
PoliticsRe: Why Does The Nigerian President Dress Like A Clown? by SEFAGO(m): 12:40am On Apr 23, 2011
Girl on girl action  tongue


Chiogo you no go greet me too. I thot we were friends  cool
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 12:35am On Apr 23, 2011
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=259296.msg8184987#msg8184987 date=1303514945]The boat comment and shot at naija airlines made me feel very uncomfortable though[/quote]Haha, me too though. I always hate it when black comedians make the boat comment or coming to a country on a boat due to its strong historical connotations with "slavery"- thats probably why you felt uncomfortable.

Well a comedians stock in trade is satire and exaggeration. Like comedians make fun of stereotypes and make them so absurd that sometimes people just step back and think "wow the stereotypes are absurd." So on the otherhand comedians do have some social good at least at mocking silly stereotypes. Obviously her mum did not arrive on a boat  grin
Anyways the main point was the policeman and the deadbody
Nigerians see the obvious but refuse to acknowledge it. So you gotta play with them grin

Just like my iyawo Madam Tpia and ZnO
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 12:15am On Apr 23, 2011
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=259296.msg8184877#msg8184877 date=1303513887]Sefago, leave this thread, find something better to do with your time

aint worth it bro![/quote]I know but I like playing with ZnO

Watch this comedy show- the chick is nigerian and funny:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2it7M9r7eg
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 12:05am On Apr 23, 2011
ZnO:
Who are the we? So the UNN is no longer worthy to award a professorship, right?
UNN is s/h/i/t, Unilag, UI and OAU is where its at.

I can use the certificates at UNN to clean my yansh

PS: He no longer occupies a professorship at UNN. Why are you stubborn? Kai u stubborn no be small sha
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 12:00am On Apr 23, 2011
[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=259296.msg8184788#msg8184788 date=1303513153]Sefago

i find your attention unwarranted, annoying and unsolicited.

Kindly desist from addressing me, thanks.

And stick the patronizing up your[/quote]I love you too. Your love dey make my head go kolomental

ZnO:
In 1998 Soludo was appointed to the position of professor of economics at the University of Nigeria; the next year he became a visiting professor at Swarthmore College in Swarthmore, Pennsylvania, US.

http://goodwaysnigeria.com/?p=642
Dude, we have already established he isnt a professor. Man go and watch TV or something more interesting.
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 11:59pm On Apr 22, 2011
Not being a professor doesn't make you evil or inferior, man. David Shaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_E._Shaw) is no more a professor. . . he is now purely in industry. But it doesn't mean he is less of a person now. Dude is rich as fvck.
You must be a genius to get a job at DE Shaw though. They pay you as much as $300-400,000 if you are like a super super star with numbers.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=259296.msg8184752#msg8184752 date=1303512758]I'm so tempted to do a short two month postdoc when I finish, but convince them to call it "Visiting Assistant Professor."

That way I can use the title for the rest of my life in naija  tongue

Anyway, let me leave it be. Probably people will interpret this as being some sort of anti-Igbo gangup, rather than correcting facts[/quote]Haha trust me you dont need to do that. Just teach one semester class at a community college and you are golden. Nigerians love titles and paper qualifications no be small.

Its the truth though, it has no ethnic connections. Its a cvery common phenomenon in Nigeria and is not limited to one group. Padding your resume.

And people say we are not similar in culture  grin
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 11:46pm On Apr 22, 2011
[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=259296.msg8184700#msg8184700 date=1303512263]Sefago kilo pa emi ati e po?

Watch your mouth plz.[/quote]Ife kiss

Post your picture while you are at it. I heard you are a stunna in terms of looks grin
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 11:45pm On Apr 22, 2011
@ ekt_bear


ZnO is not Nchara. He's mekyuus/omongbati/environer etc. The plant science ph.d guy.  I'm pretty sure Nchara was not banned for anything. . .
Seems you are not current mate, one of the moderators got pissed and told everyone that they are the one and the same. It was pretty obviious though. I interacted with both and they both got their PhDs in Europe it was not too difficult to put two and two together. I think the guy had two laptops or a desk top and a laptop maybe and so could multitask with both. Or at the minimum used two browsers.
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 11:41pm On Apr 22, 2011
http://www.cenbank.org/AboutCBN/TheBoard.asp?Name=Prof.+Chukwuma+C.+Soludo%2C+CFR&Biodata=soludo

Look at his page see how they are using professor so loosely. He is a professor just like Emeagwali is a PhD  grin.

Dr Soludo has been visiting scholar at the International Monetary Fund, the University of Cambridge, the Brookings Institution, the University of Warwick and the University of Oxford and a visiting professor at Swarthmore College (USA). He has also worked as a consultant for a number of international organizations, including The World Bank, the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa, and the United Nations Development Programme.
You are daft.

A visiting scholar is not a professor. Do you think I am Tpia or mama-gee Why do you wanna lie? So Soludo was a Professor at IMF? So Soludo was a Professor at the Brooking Insititute. Sounds quite absurd.

You are daft as a brick

I apologize to all the bricks for such an insult
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 11:33pm On Apr 22, 2011
My University (and he will be coming again soon) and I will not be mentioning it. Thanks.
Does anyone even care who calls them Prof here? We all simply go by the title Dr., be you Full Prof, Associate or Assistant Prof.
Kai you dey lie no be small.

Femi Kuti "Kai Na lie lie full the world, see how lie go dey jump from mouth, like water rush from pump, the way people dey lie, dey no dey fear dem God, the way people dey lie, dey no dey fear them shrine"

Loved this song on grand theft auto

I'll take you at your word, then. Though I guess I could just track it down via google.
Your hand will just pain ya. He has been only a visiting prof once abroad. Be rest assured that if Soludo is teaching anywhere he will promptly put it on his CV and trumpet the crap out of it. Moreover look at his publications (If you can call them academic). They are not spectacular enough for him to be an economics visiting professor at a decent place.
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 10:52pm On Apr 22, 2011
@Iwonbaoko
You are partially correct. I never said otherwise, I was just surprised that Madam Tpia could not just say she was wrong, when she was obviously wrong. I wasnt referring to you. Just chill.

@ZnO
Soludo does not teach currently so he is not a professor. You think say na alaigbo chieftaincy title?

What happened to your previous moniker?

@PhysicsMHD
Yeah I know he was professor, but I thought he was a visiting professor. Wrong on that point though. Endowed professors slipped my mind actually since they are rare in the sciences but very common in the humanities. I usually think of professors as those who started at the bottom and move to full.

Anyways getting a PhD is much much easier than getting tenure
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 5:18pm On Apr 22, 2011
^ Pretty much intuitive and you also dont have to state the obvious do you?. Its a job and not an academic qualification. I think everyone knows this. Its just Nigerian culture to refer to those who have held academic positions at one point of their lives as Professors. Like people keep calling Soludo professor though he has never been a tenure track professor and has just held mostly visiting positions. Achebe is also a visiting professor.

I think people should also learn to distinguish between the hierarchy of academia in the US and in other countries like Africa/Europe. Professor in the latter could take close to 30 years while full professor in the former could take 5-10 years.
PoliticsRe: When Did Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala Become A Professor? by SEFAGO(m): 4:57pm On Apr 22, 2011
This is one of the top ten daftest threads I have seen with madam Tpia arguing blindly about the obvious. Everyone/Anyone with commonsense knows Okonjo-iweala joined the world bank immediately after her PhD and ran towards a career with a certain a nice 6 figure salary instead of wallowing in middle-class hell as an academic (Professor)
EducationRe: Preparing for GRE by SEFAGO(m): 1:25pm On Apr 22, 2011
No link exactly, just an observation.

I dont know if you are doing Masters or PhD though- it would be great if most of you gave some sort of clarification. They also have limited funding for international students and would prefer students with very strong backgrounds both academically and in terms of research.

But you could try if you want.
PoliticsRe: Cbn Governor Sanusi Named Among Time100 Most Influential People In The World by SEFAGO(m): 11:23pm On Apr 21, 2011
Rossikk:
Could he be due a Nobel Prize in Economics?

I'm tired of Africans getting Nobel prizes for Peace and Literature. grin
You win a nobel prize for academic contributions to economics not working in CBN lol

And a person of African descent has won the nobel for economics, though he is originally from the Caribbeans but one love cool
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 9:09am On Apr 21, 2011
I dunno. You could have them sign something witnessed by the international community, and have it paid into a special account administered by say the UN.

300 years, of course they'd find a way to renege. But 5-20 years is pretty doable, imo. Maybe I'm full of crap though, who knows.
Yeah but the problem is making them agree. Like why would they do that really? The best we would get is probably some structural loan packages by the oyibo people in the IMF and World bank to put us on our feet till we can form a stable economy, which could take like 10-20 years. We would need this money to set up at least some sort of centralized government. Issue is that if we are corrupt (and trust me I have no illusions about the absence of corruption) or if our economy is not as buoyant as planned within that period, we go deeper into debt. Very risky business.

But Yeah the best option would be either to convince them oil producing states to dispense us some major cash (for whatever reason) ornext best thing is to become an aid receiving country and unforunately guinea pigs/case portfolios for development economists.

Bros, so let us have a strong economic plan before we cut out of Nigeria one that is very very strong. If our economy does kick in though, I would prefer a more socialist framework for our government, centralized health care systems, free and strong public school education (from the primary to tertiary level) with little to no private schools. These things tend to lessen corruption. We can bring in big business but we should tow the line of building a strong middle class group.

I personally think that we should also try and strip/downplay people of their local identity (Egba, Awori, Itsekiri, Ekiti grin and just homogenize the country). Like remove state of origin from government records or census data and use state of residence.

oil wealth is a curse unless you are choosing not to export most of it. or the size of your country is like that of UAE. which will be the case of SS stands alone.
This actually highlights a point with respect to the UAE which depends on a large foreign worker base for their oil operations especially South Asians. The SS will still need skilled labor. The other regions could allow free flow of workers or give people from the SW the right to work in the SE or SS without any issue. That is one trade concession that could be useful so that if s/h/i/t hits the fan we can all migrate to other countries grin

anyways, which region do you think has a stronger manufacturing base or potential to develop one? SW or SE? I think SE. so you should be scared.
It is impossible to tell. It would strongly depend on the type of leaders each region receives. Dont be deceived by the superhuman complex of the SE. They dont manufacture anything of note per se. But they could surpass anyone if they have strong leadership and government that is focused on developing manifacturing. But then we should just make sure to sign a Labour Exchange agreement so that we can migrate there anytime we want hehe grin
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 8:32am On Apr 21, 2011
the way I learned it, christian missionaries tried to evangelize in the north but the emirs refused them and appealed to the British authorities referring to the agreement they made to let them keep their religion.
You are not detracting from my previous statement. I am not disputing the fact that attempts were made to evangelize the North and these attempts were quickly stopped. I am pointing out that every region resisted attempts to evangelize them. Other regions didnt have the choice the North had.


the british authorities and missionaries were separate entities although they both represented the colonization efforts.
LOL, I know that, however the british colonial government and the missionaries always came together

besides, I don't fully understand the "gun" rhetoric.
You misconstrued my statement and are using "rhetoric" wrongly. You mean metaphor (I am using gun to represent the violence that comes with evangelism during that period)

besides, I don't fully understand the "gun" rhetoric. you can put the gun to the man's head and tell him to do what you want. but you can't put the gun to his head and make him believe in God.
Ask Uthman Dan Fodio, he will explain to you how it is done grin.

religious conversion is more of a psychological process done mostly through education and positive emotional appeal etc. you don't use guns to make people convert that will be very counter productive and would make them resist rather than accept christianity. or hide their true religion while they superficially accept yours.
No, but you use guns and violence to ensure that you can build churches within a region. You forget that the Yoruba and Igbo had their own religion and traditions too. The missionaries could not just bring another God without some challenges. However those challenges would be hastily silenced by the Colonial Powers. If you think the leaders of pre-colonial Nigeria just let oyibo people build churches within their territories and boundaries so that they could see white people every day you must be on some kool aid.

The conversion process is of course much easier immediately you can establish churches and start the brainwashing process. Its the first part that is much more difficult and requires violence. This is my thesis- Most Africans in the precolonial era saw a challenge to their Gods as a challenge to their tradition and culture and consequently an insult to them. They definitely put up a fight thats for sure, which was quashed by the colonial government. That's why Missionaries and Colonial Governments are paddy paddy.

in fact, majority of conversion to christianity in yorubaland took place through african converts themselves. ie british educated and converted a few who in turn converted the masses. bishop ajayi crowther stands out as a prominent example.
and the missionaries tried to provide education, health services etc in order to gain converts. they definitely did not carry guns shooting those who didn't convert.
Yes but they had to set up shop before they could start the brainwashing process. If you think Africans gave up their native religion so easily then my lady you gotta learn more about ur history. I doubt all the Ifa and Sango priest as well as Amadioha priests watched by while their source of lively hood and position in society was being snatched by missionaries.
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 7:50am On Apr 21, 2011
I think that in winding up Nigeria, one could negotiate at the minimum with the current oil-producing states some sort of 5-10 year deal that allows you to receive allocation money for that time. This will give you a lot of breathing move to ease the transition.
They can renege on this any time. Infact they can use the paper for the agreement to clean their yansh. Nothing do them and they could decide not allocate anything when they form a sovereign country.

LOL, 5-10 years negotiation. Just watch how beaf behaves, a lot of SS people are just like that. They believe the oil is their birthright because its drilled in their region. Why allocate you + Igbo + Northerners, 5-10 years without economic ties. Maybe you mean a loan at stretch, just make sure the loan is in an escrow account before we leave sha.
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 6:28am On Apr 21, 2011
@Sefago: Why are you so pessimistic about the SWs future prospects? roughly 10% of Nigeria's oil comes from Ondo. If we split, then Lagos controls its own port revenue. We contribute far more to VAT than we get out. The net change in money might actually not be too negative.

Furthermore, the oil reserves offshore our coast are substantial. As well as the 43 billion barrels of oil sands in the Lagos-Ogun-Ondo-Edo axis. Investment can and will come.
Mate, not too blinded by SW patriotism a bit more pragmatic  grin, I love oil no be small

Lol, so many federations you guys envision its mind boggling. Cant keep track of all them tbh. These investments take time to develop. Where will the newly formed Yoruba government be getting money from. Dont forget that a huge number of Yoruba people are employed in companies and corporate Nigeria that are linked to the oil industry. All the banks and law firms specialize in oil which would disappear with the separation from Nigeria. So what all those oil and gas consultancies in lagos, what will happen to their businesses. They would now be operating on foreign soil. What would be generating income for the new nation-state in the mean time. The world economy is so harsh now than any form of weakness at this point and you would be breakfast. It takes years to set up an oil rig and start drilling oil or Natural Gas and such. Shell might just stick to the ND where they already have the necessary infrastructure, when they are done with that they might then move to the SW but then we will be broke by then.

Trust me a federation is quite different from dividing into different countries. Different countries would be one messy business. I wonder what will be the main source of revenue be for the SW. All these talk about develop the 10% oil this and that, TIA (This is Africa). Nothing works according to plan and it leaves me with the thinking that it might be a good idea to just keep the current system as it is, maybe with minor changes of course  cheesy. Ogun state might be angry that they have not produced the first president while Oyo has been producing the first president.

A glimpse of the battles in the Afenifere leadership would give you a hint of what could (or might not) happen to a Yoruba state.

Same goes for the SE though I am even more pessimistic for the SE than the SW tbh. I see their economy crashing faster than you can say "Igbo" except they tag along with the people in the SS. Our country has become so over-reliant on oil that splitting up could wreck several regions. Before we split up successful we must first diversify the economy across both regions (with oil money as a catalyst  grin) and then maybe we might all be able to stand on our feet.
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 6:04am On Apr 21, 2011
read the article by sanusi. he mentions that the british intentionally banned education in the north.
i think hausas themselves also, because they rejected christianity, caused the lack of western education which came mostly through missionaries.
Although I am not phucking you either, I do feel pedantic, so I would go the extra mile and explain to you some points about Nigeria. Christianity was forced on everyone , the missionaries came with the bible and a gun. They did not just arrive in anywhere in Yorubaland or alaigbo with a bible and welcoming big smiles and hugs from Yoruba and Igbos. The missionaries were synonymous with colonialism and the slave trade, they dealt the shiite out of the igbos (read some history). If the British wanted to impose christianity on the Northerners, they could have done so easily. It might be more expensive than the diplomatic method of indirect rule but with their technological advantage (Guns versus Bows and arrows) they could have made every single Northerner as educated as the south and bible lovers if they wanted to. It would have of cause been a very costly campaign for the Brits but then they were getting a steady flow of cash from India-so what?

They just did not bother to do it because indirect rule was most effective.

I always used to believe that the conflict between north and south is mostly ethnic rather than religious but really ethnicity, culture and religion are intertwined.
More religious IMO. The cartoons created by the Belgian cartoonists and the riot that was an outcome had nothing to do with ethnicity.
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 5:39am On Apr 21, 2011
Nadanbata:
"born to rule mentality" is a myth. Maybe you believe in it? But i dont lols.

disinterested in education is a myth to. What Almajari will say no to good schooling given the opportuniy ?

With regards to your last point I dont know, maybe its jus genetic for Hausawa to be dumb ?  tongue tongue White man did tell us we have lower IQ's maybe we are blacker than your lot  cheesy cheesy
I thought it was a myth but a friend confirmed it. He lives in the North so its not "dem say."

Anyways would it be possible for me to marry hausa babe. Man the hausa girls are fine ooh, I used to have a crush on one of them when I was kid at 13, the chick was also 1 but she got married like 6 months after grin. Whatever c'est la vive. But yeah assuming their are some unmarried hausa girls of my age (quite unlikely) would they have a problem dating a non-hausa?

Thats another alternate perspective I am interested in. Inter-ethnic marriage and the Hausa issue with it.
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 5:31am On Apr 21, 2011
exactly. this is the #1 reason Nigeria needs to stay as one. I have said it before but we do live in a globalized world now where it's us against other countries. size definitely matters. but of course, unity matters just as much. how can we defend ourselves against foreign aggressors when we are trying to defend ourselves against each other.

yea US was originally 13 small independent colonies as well. they united against britain. and then expanded even further. it makes sense.
The issue though is that if Nigeria splits into several pieces it would not affect foreign investment in the long run per se. Its just that some people will get FDI way more than others. The west and now the east are only interested in Nigeria for raw materials, and that is why the western media has been referring to this election as "free and fair." They are quite happy at the outcome because oil will flow quite well and MEND will be getting amnesty every single second from their brother in power. This alone tells you that FDI would flow more into any were there is oil. Also Oyibo people will support anything that would push their interest.

Breaking up Nigeria will not really have much of an impact in terms of economics- just that several regions would go into extreme poverty (or maybe this mighty be an impetus for them to develop, we dont know for sure and its all an academic perspective), while would be doing quite great. The issue here is that a lot of the money made in such new countries might not trickle down to the masses in general but thats up for debate. I would have to agree though, after some thought and with significant reluctance, that "maybe splitting up might have some merits" for other people in general. It could considerably improve the lifestyle of the people in the SS, while drastically for a while affecting the lifestyle of SE and SW for a while . The SE claims that they are industrious is quite a myth (Okirika is not industry) and they would have to find a way of booming their economy. The SW claims to having large mineral deposits is null if foreigners do not invest in it. I dont think SW is at the stage of technical know how, to be capable of drilling oil or mining minerals. Western mining companies might be hesitant about investing in places without stable political environments. Also as usual sub-ethnic sentiments might come into play. The people of Ondo might start claiming that they want more share of the fiscal budget based on the fact that they produce the oil.

Personally, I like Nigeria as it is "big and unstable" than split into tiny pieces were I might have to apply for a "visa" to go to my more wealthy neighbors. Also immigration is going to occur assuming one country becomes more wealthy than the other.
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 5:09am On Apr 21, 2011
This is boring as shiit when is the name calling going to begin? Man Beaf and Igbo guys you don fall my hand ooh, I expected you guys to spice up this boring thread

Anyways @ the random Hausa guy

I heard the Hausa has a "born to rule mentality" and they believe that Aso Rock is their birthright

Why is that so?

Infact I was just talking to my friend about it- he is doing his NYSC and was an election officer during the elections in the North. He is scared as shiite for his life. urrently, he is now running for his life angry.Infact prior to the elections he was teaching in a school in the North and telling me how uninterested the kids are in school.  I told him that when he was in lagos he should by lots of "egba (cane)" and beat the shiite out of those kids. But he told me he was not ready to die yet.

What are your thoughts on this matter? Why are you guys disinterested in education?

In every school I attended in Nigeria the bottom of the class was solidly composed of Hausa, the middle of the class Igbo with some sharing the bottom with hausa and the top students of the class Yoruba.

Do you have a reason for this? Culture?
PoliticsRe: The Hausas (an Alternate Pespective) by SEFAGO(m): 1:17am On Apr 21, 2011
No abusive, condescending words allowed here.
Hehe, took just two posts grin
Nairaland GeneralRe: The Kobojunkie Menace by SEFAGO(m): 1:32pm On Apr 19, 2011
I think I am going to play gay chicken with you and:

kiss

How many times have you banned bro? Seems you hold the current record on NL by the way
Nairaland GeneralRe: The Kobojunkie Menace by SEFAGO(m): 1:25pm On Apr 19, 2011
denzel2009:
Actually, she was being sarcastic as per the HIV issue. If you don't believe me ask ekt_bear.

And, she is a lady for Chrissakes not a man. Her name is T.O  cheesy
How does she look- is she smoking hot?

She sounds like a bimbo but I like my women dumb!

Bawss1:
Hate what you can't conquer, hate what you can't understand


Moderator please kill this thread. This thread amount to e-bullying. How can this stand on NL?
I agree but just before I confirm if she is hot
PoliticsRe: At Times I Feel Ashamed As A Hausa Man by SEFAGO(m): 1:12am On Apr 19, 2011
Are you saying that mental capability of of my forefathers who had no radio, nothing at all to copy or learn from can be put at per with northerners who already have access to info devices but just play them for the fun of it?
How did the Asians and Europeans develop? grin

Did someone bring education to them? Or maybe a series of events- war, famine e.t.c drove the need for such development. Necessity brings about creativity. The fact that your forefathers saw no need to live their mudhuts and start "civilizing" tells you that an impetus is usually required for such things

No probs bro. . . I can state a few factors to that result;
1. Laziness.
2. Wickedness.
3. Selfishness.
4. Discrimination.

Now, can you conveniently say the same of people who listen to well translated info, yet think they need to attend Oxford to digest it?
Lol excuses for being mediocre at best? Just say you are inferior to . . .oops I nearly said it


One thing at a time is to first push eduction from the west to the north? By who; a nigerian president or a northern president? Why do you think that will "balance things out"? Is state creation crap to you cos six states in your zones get all what is due to them, while those in the southeast are five and hereby not well represnted in the fraudulent federal character and quota system?
Yes a Nigerian President. The North is part of Nigeria, if the Nigerian president pushes mandatory education in the North upto secondary school level and invest heavily in it instead of sharing money around the PDP maybe it could have some effect. If some of these Northerners are allowed to read literature by Chinua Achebe and other authors around Nigeria as a high school requirement they might not be so bored to take up arms- they might think- wait- why should we do that? Why should it kill when it could wreck our future. One with a future would be less likely to kill than a generation which has nothing to look forward to.

Kai tribalism don eat your mind no be small. Who told you I was talking about the SE, I was thinking of another country grin

Nope! My question was simply to help me gain a better understanding of the @Poster's view on Political awareness as regards the average illiterate Hausa's individual. Look I came in assuming to learn much of the average illiterate Hausa who the poster claims is more politically and religiously aware, in addition to being bombarded with information at least 3 times a day.
Really. I think another poster not the OP made that claim. The OP explicitly said "No" and elaborates on this by explaining that the Hausa do get political information from the station but do not have the formal education or reasoning to interpret this information.

I think we have addressed the issue of type. I used the political, the religious, and even the basic information examples to try to explain this. At this point, I think it matters what the type is . . . what I know is that there some information sources out, and according to the @Poster, the average illiterate Northerner not only has access to the sources, but is privy to information at least 3 time a day.
Which of them, the OP or the Basseti? You are being a bit nebulous and I am getting kind of confused. If you are bring some prior debate from another thread into this once at least be give sufficient background on your points. You are hopping about and I dont know what particular form of "information" and why it is even a point in this thread to be honest. The thread is an apology with respect to what the mayhem which is currently happening in the North. Such mayhem is in no way new to the North and usually occurs during periods of political tension within (like now) and outside (european cartoonist with a wicked sense of humor).

I think you have derailed the thread kobo, if you wanna talk about basic information like gardening or cooking or farming, I will be delighted to do so with you anytime on another thread of cause. I know your womanly instincts are calling out to something you might be more familiar with.


Nope!! This discussion is not really about the current crisis in the north but about the North in general. These folks, according to the poster, have access to about 4 INTERNATIONAL radio channels and so get the news and feeds from such stations as BBC Hausa, VOA etc.
Exactly, news feed which are all usually about "political information." Politics was drawn into the debate because of the current crisis in the North. The OP is trying to explain to you that the inability to interpret these political information which could range from totally bogus facts to fleshy political info. The average Northerner is unable, and pardon my cliche, to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I am trying to learn the truth! And what better way than to hear it straight from a Hausa !cheesy
While the truth, and my Oscar Wilde kicks in again grin, is rarely pure and simple, nevertheless this one is as simple as your previous example- "ABC."

The OP has laid down the main issue for you, but you are prodding him trying to find an answer to a question that is not even properly framed.
PoliticsRe: At Times I Feel Ashamed As A Hausa Man by SEFAGO(m): 12:37am On Apr 19, 2011
I think the example works for the post it was in response to. We are told to believe that the average Northerner(children and adults alike) are bombarded with information regularly. It makes sense to believe, based on sampling this information, that some of it will actually hit the target. Now listening to some of the information dispensed by some of the stations, you understand that no reasoning on the part of the recipient is required.
First of all the OP stated info- info is quite ambiguous. First of all here is your question on the first page:

@Poster, here is a good question for you. Is it true that the average Hausa person(majority would be the poor people) up north is both politically and religiously educated? Moreso then their counterparts in the south?
Hausa are politically active. An average hausaman listen to 4 international radio station 3 times a day. Radio France, BBC, German radio, VOA, radio china and Iran. Given the above you expect them to be politically and internationally updated nd informed. On the side of religious well, I ve seen a lot of learned Islamic Cleric from the SW. But then the north has always produce the most learned Islamic scholars in 9jah. But the difference here is that a yoruba muslin has an additional advantage I.e. Education which enables you make rational decisions even when mislead by fanatical imans. This is what we are lacking in the north.
You asked about politics. First of all I would state I have a different view of political education. The popular notion on Nairaland is that political education is about knowing/being aware of political affairs both current and historic. My opinion of political education is being strongly versed in political theories and standard ideologies. I would assume that your question was framed within the nairaland context and it would be safe to assume that you wanted to know if the North were politically aware of what happens both within and outside Nigeria in terms of current affairs (What you guys term political education). The OP has made you aware that the North is aware of what goes on "politically" in Nigeria.

Yes, it will hit the target but what type of information are you talking about anyways? One needs reasoning to understand the finer points of any sort of information one receives.


Farming was used as an example of the kind of basic information available to many in the North. Again, the information passed on, on the most part does not require the listeners to commit to memory complicated records or steps. If you listen to any of the radio broadcasts meant for the masses, you will clearly get the idea that the messages are not meant for the sophisticated minds but really for the basic listener.
But this is about "political information." Infact shyt supposedly started to happen when they heard wrong political information and misinterpreted its meaning:

BBC HAUSA SERVICE CONNECTION
The BBC Hausa Service has been blamed for the riots and confusion in Adamawa State following its alleged broadcast that CPC presidential candidate, General Muhammadu Buhari had won the election in Adamawa State when the electoral commission in the state was still collating results.
The Special Adviser to the Adamawa State Governor Aminu Iyawa told journalists that the BBC broadcast was orchestrated to cause mischief and chaos. He said violence erupted after the electoral commission announced Goodluck Jonathan of the PDP as winner in the state.
Reports from our correspondent in Adamawa say the state government has imposed a 24-hour curfew in the state after riots broke out in various parts.
Dont know if the above is true but I think is sufficient to pass the point.

I introduced the question on political and religious awareness as someone made claim that compared to southerners, the average illiterate Northerner was more politically and religiously aware(Note: not informed) than the average illiterate Southerner.
Could be true or could be completely false. No evidence for such neither is counterfactual evidence available. Maybe from his experience that has been the case. I dont know too much about Hausa culture to know about their interests to be honest.
PoliticsRe: At Times I Feel Ashamed As A Hausa Man by SEFAGO(m): 11:32pm On Apr 18, 2011
Princek12:
learning how to say ABC is different from learning how to form words. learning how to form words is different from learning how to form sentences. learning how to form sentences is different from learning how to form paragraphs. learning how to form paragraphs is different from reading skills and comprehension. all these experiences help you learn how to form your own opinions and challenge existing authorities, if necessary.

You are reasoning like a typical Almajiri, who use what you just said to justify the nonexistence or lack of need of a standard education. You are talking like the people who, for centuries, have formed an education system are silly.
Man, no homo, but I wanna give you a hug for explaining it so succinctly.

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