₦airaland Forum

true2god:
Can you mention any single prophet (with example), aside the prophet of allahh, Mohammed, who God gives a special privilege over the rest of the citizens? Can you mention a single incidence?

If you want to be sincere, the God of the Bible treated human beings equally, irrespective of your religious and political status but the allahh of the Quran gave Mohammed certain privilege that no other Muslim is expected to enjoy.

Mohammed married more than 4 wives while he asked others to limit theirs to 4 and your justification is that it was because of his calling and responsibilities, but if you look at the Quran very well, it has nothing to do with any calling or responsibility but all about ego and the attitude of a master capon who usually act against the rule. Its like justifying the Nigerian police for always taking 'one way' while the same police will arrest anybody that takes one way. Maybe you never knew the mindset of absolute rulers and their beliefs in divine privileges until when challenged.

Mohammed, in the quran , made it clear that he is entitled to any believing woman who offered herself to him, whether married or single (Quran 33: 50). Note that the privilege of marrying any believing who offered herself is only entitled to Mohammed and not to any other Muslim. The hadith below also confirmed this barbaric practice:

Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented herself (for marriage) to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a reply. One of his companions said, "Marry her to me O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet asked (him), "Have you got anything?" He said, "I have got nothing." The Prophet said, "Not even an iron ring?" He Sad, "Not even an iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half." The Prophet; said, "No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart)?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." ' And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (sahih bukhari 7:62:63).

In a sane society, no any woman will willingly present herself to a man for sex or marriage, but in Mohammed's time, women were presenting themselves to him free of charge, he accepted some and rejected others and this act was sanctioned by allahh (Quran 33:50). This is how Mohammed was able to acquire many women, aside from the sex slaves whom his right hand posses (Quran 8:1).

Mohammed's lust for women does not have anything to do with responsibility but all about sex. The case of zainab and his wife is a good example (Quran 33:37, history of al-tabari vol 8, pages 2-4).

Before I respond, ill like to commend you for making you response civil and respectful despite our difference in ideology and ill like to say I've gained a lot so far, please my brother keep it up and I'm sure u'll go places.
Back to the Issue at hand, please permit me to itemize my response numerically.
1) Many Prophets were given special privileges aside Muhammad but I will like to focus on only one of them because of the availability of extensive literature about him, which can be confirmed by the 2 of us, and that person in no other than PROPHET SOLOMON (SULIEMAN). Allah forbade all of mankind and even other prophets from interacting with jinns, it was only Prophet Sulaiman that was granted that special privilege to interact and even command jinns (even the Muhammad wasn't given such privilege) *for more info check Surat Naml

2) I don't want to delve into christianity but if you insist, ill advice you to read the old testament very well and you will see that not everybody were given same equal privileges, God even selected people amongst the Israelites who could enter the tabanacle and even carry a special box (can remember the name of the box) and also those who can perform special rites
*for more info check lay emphasis on the first 4 books

3) My brother let's be realistic, a man who was offered wealth and rejected, position as the king of Arabia and yet rejected it would now want to massage his ego by marrying 14 wives, haaaaa !!! Also if you say lust, a man who doubles as a president, chief of defence, chief justice and chief imam would now have time to lust after 14 women when even our president I doubt if he has time for his wife despite Nigeria not facing external adversaries. Come on my bro, let cut him a slack

4) For Nigerian police passing one way, it can be justified if their passing of one way is in line with their primary responsibilities: Fighting crime ( e.g. Chasing a robber who tried using one way to escape)

5) Habaaaa my brother,this is "christian al taquiya" (lolz, Pls don't take me serious, just kidding) but seriously I cross checked that verse you quoted with my wife and I didn't see where it was written that the Prophet was entitled to any believing woman who offered herself to him, whether MARRIED OR SINGLE (Quran 33: 50).

6) So if women were presenting themselves to the Noble Prophet, how is it now his fault or how is that his problem or maybe its me that its not getting your point. The women had reasons why they presented themselves to him, which was noted earlier in my previous post.

*Please my brother make your response the final closing statement and ill make mine and God willing we will continue next week with this or any other topic. Remember tomorrow is Monday

BTW. I really enjoyed this conversion, sincerely I gained a lot. Thank you

true2god:
Romans 2:11, 'For God does not show favoritism'.

Acts 10:34,
'Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons'

The Christian God is not a respecter of person, even if he choses you as a prophet, after all he created his prophets. The prophets of God are not of equal status with God. The office of prophet-hood is a rare privilege that can be withdrawn. So God cannot make a parallel rule for his prophet and another rule for ordinary people. It might be the case in Islam.

God cannot make a rule for Muslims to take a maximum of 4 wives but allow Mohammed to take more that 11 wives. God will not recommend young widow to re-marry, in order to bear fruit, but ask Muslims not to marry Mohammed's widows while Mohammed himself took many widows as wives.

God cannot break his rule to honour mortal men, unless you want to tell me that allahh is just an instrument in Mohammed's hand.

Let me explain this clearly so that we can all gain from this conversation and it won't be a waste of time. I repeat, in Islam Allah placed some people (Prophets) above others in His sight among their generation. As such, based on the critical position they occupy and their responsibilities, they are granted certain privileges for reasons known best known to Allah. For example in the case of the Prophet marrying more the 4 wives about (14), this was done for a purpose in line with the calling and responsibilities of the Prophet. How? The prophet didn't marry them out of lust as usually presumed, in fact my brother majority of the prophet's wives were previously married and some even old. Many of these women were married to the prophet as a form bond between two hostile communities to avoid crises in future, some were married to the Prophet because they lost their husbands in battle and wanted to be under the jurisdiction of the prophet and for other reasons which were in line with his responsibilities. If the marriage was simply for lust as presumed I doubt if he would go for those kind of women. That's just an example of some privileges which were specifically in line with is calling as dictated by Allah.

true2god:
This is the hadith in case you are in doubt:

Narrated 'Ali bin Al-Husain:
That when they reached Medina after returning from Yazid bin Mu'awaiya after the martyrdom of Husain bin ‘Ali (may Allah bestow His Mercy upon him), Al-Miswar bin Makhrama met him and said to him, "Do you have any need you may order me to satisfy?" ‘Ali said, "No." Al-Miswar said, Will you give me the sword of Allah’s Apostle for I am afraid that people may take it from you by force? By Allah, if you give it to me, they will never be able to take it till I die." When ‘Ali bin Abu Talib demanded the hand of the daughter of Abi Jahl to be his wife besides Fatima, I heard Allah’s Apostle on his pulpit delivering a sermon in this connection before the people, and I had then attained my age of puberty. Allah’s Apostle said, "Fatima is from me, and I am afraid she will be subjected to trials in her religion (because of jealousy)." The Prophet then mentioned one of his son-in-laws who was from the tribe of ‘Abu Shams, and he praised him as a good son-in-law, saying, "Whatever he said was the truth, and he promised me and fulfilled his promise. I do not make a legal thing illegal, nor do I make an illegal thing legal, but by Allah, the daughter of Allah's Apostle and the daughter of the enemy of Allah, (i.e. Abu Jahl) can never get together (as the wives of one man) (See Hadith No. 76, Vo. 5). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53,
Number 342 )

XVI: Concerning the sons-in-law of the Prophet, which include Abu'l-'As ibn ar-Rabi'
3523. It is related that al-Miswar ibn Makhrama said, "'Ali ibn Abi Talib proposed to the daughter of Abu Jahl and Fatima heard about it. She went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said, ‘ Your people claim that you do not become angry on account of your daughters. This ‘Ali is going to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl.’ The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, got up and I heard him say after the tashahhud , "Following on from that, I married my daughter to Abu’l-‘As ibn ar-Rabi’ and he spoke to me and told the truth to me.
Fatima is part of me and I dislike that she be vexed . By Allah, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and the daughter of the enemy of Allah will not be joined together by the same man.’ So ‘Ali abandoned his proposal."
It is related that Miswar said, "I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and he mentioned an in-law of his from the Banu ‘Abdu Shams and praised him as an in-law, and said, ‘He spoke to me and told the truth. He promised him and kept his promise.'" (Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, Chapter 66. Book of the Virtues of the Companions; source )

This hadith and follow a chain of narration. The major reason why Mohammed forbade Ali from taking another woman was that he believed Fatima's feelings will be hurt and that will make him unhappy. Mohammed wants happiness for his daughter by eliminating any form of rivalry, with all forms of flimsy excuses, but recommended Muslims to take 4 wives. But the feelings of the first wife be hurt? Does Muslims first wives exist without father?

On this matter, Ali never never attempted to take another wife till he died. Mohammed and his family are always above the law.

You said you don't have complete confidence in the hadith, where do you get the 5 pillars of Islam from? Where did you get your 5-daily prayer routine from, the Quran or the hadith?

My dear brother, I would advice you read my post again and this time more carefully. I said we have confidence in any hadith PROVIDED ITS IN LINE WITH THE QURAN shikenna !!!. Remember the example I gave of the case of we black people, do you expect me to defend that hadith (even if you give me the hadith number and chapter), when I know its contrary to what the Quran says ??

****Please give me about 20mins I want to observe my Afternoon prayer, ill be right back****

true2god:
Bros your defense is very weak because all human, irrespective of social or political status, are equal in God's eye. Human beings can make laws to protect a certain class of people by granting then immunity, but God cannot do that, unless you want to tell me that allahh is a respecter of person. The bible says: God is not a respecter of person. Please don't put God in this, unless you want to tell us that the God of the bible acts differently from the god of the Quran.

If you read all the ayah, that is verse 53 of Quran chapter 33, you will understand that it is all for the benefit of Mohammed. And this is one of the major reasons baby Aisha, his 6-yr old child bride, told Mohammed and I quote: 'It seems allahh is always ready to satisfy your desires'. This statement was made by Aisha in one of the hadith.

You should please learn when a man wants to satisfy his desire and when God truly speaks to him. On this particular issue, no allahh or Jibril spoke to Mohammed. Mohammed also expressed his wish and desire here.

Point of correction my dear friend. In Islam all the Prophets are given a higher status than ordinary human beings in as much as we are reminded that they are also flesh and blood like us (not to encourage us to worship them). We are not equal to the Prophets in the sight of Allah, because these are people specially selected by Allah to spread his message and what they go through, we mere human beings can't go through it and also on the day of judgement, these same Prophets are going to be accountable for themselves and Us in addition so how can we say they are equal to we ordinary human beings. (That is why when we mention Moses, Abraham, Jesus or Muhammad we end it with (PBUH)).

true2god:
Altaqiyya is lying to defend Islam. It is an arabic word used in religious sense. It is a common belief, among non-muslims, that it is islamically acceptable for Muslims to lie in order to defend Islam and this act is what the Arabs call altaqiyya.

Altaqiyya can also mean concealing ones faith in the presence of a perceived stronger adversary to avoid bodily harm or death. A Shi'a Muslim can pretend to be a Sunnis in Saudi Arabia and a sunni Muslim can pretend to be a shia in Iran, in order to avoid persecution.

This is also an art of Altaqiyya, an ahmadiya can pretend to be a sunni in order to escape lynching in Pakistan because ahmadiya is illegal in most Muslim countries. Hope you get it now.


shia

This is beginning to get interesting for at least I know I am gaining something which is how its supposed to be (Thanks so much). Well my brother, Islam is abhorrent against lies in all ramifications except in rare cases of life and death (example; robbers asking where your father is? Or temporarily telling an hypertensive person just recovering that her dead son just travelled etc). My brother let's be realistic, if I lie to defend Islam, when won't you eventually detect the lie (especially in this age of google), which is counter productive because it will take you farther away from Islam. Moreover you can browse and check the Quran, there is no place Allah mention al Taquiya. So if anybody uses it, such a person is a liar!!!!

true2god:
OK my guy, I won't be stingy. Muslims can also explain why Mohammed forbade his son-law, Ali (husband of fatimah), from taking a second wife hence preaching monogamy to Ali while he asked other muslims to take a maximum of 4 wives. Though he even broke his own rule by taking more than 4 wives.

Believe you me this is my first hearing that the prophet forbade Ali from marrying more than one wife. If I ask for your source, you would probably google an hadith and post it here, but ill spare you the stress. The truth is that, its only the Quran that is infallible anything else is including hadiths, because these were collated long after the death of the prophet and we can't vie for it 100%. Rather what we muslims do is to correlate what ever the hadith says to what the Quran says, if what the hadith narrates is not in line with what the Quran says we discard the particular hadith and if its in line we leave it. Let me give you an example ( There is an hadith that says; when we blacks are hungry we steal and when we are filled up we fornicate and the only thing we are good at is hardwork. When such hadith was correlated to the Quran, it was found not to be in line and was promptly discarded as a fabricated hadith). So my brothers, provided that narration is not from the Quran and not in line with the Quran, It shouldn't be given attention except for mischief....!!!

annunaki2:
NASFAT is a huge joke and a glaring example of islamic insecurities. They hold Sunday services to engage muslims on Sunday mornings and distract them from honouring invitations to attend church services and risk being convicted by the word and converting to Christ. The hypocrites also model their way of worship after the christian way. They now even hold night vigils something entirely alien to Islam.

Habaaa, my friends that's not fair, why not we face the facts and leave people with their practices. Moreover don't catholics do some of their programs on friday? does that mean they are intimidated. Or did NASFAT shift friday jumat to sunday in order not to feel intimidated? or the Sunday MSSN usrah that is done in all schools is done because of intimidation. Let's cut NASFAT a slack and face the main issues here.

true2god:
In Quran 33:53, Mohammed gave an instruction that no one should marry his wives after his death. Can Muslims do justice to this instruction by Mohammed?

I understand your point and I hope you would understand mine, the Noble prophet did not say that. And as quoted above, it was God who commanded it as a way of honouring the prophet. My dear friends, I don't see this as a big deal because even when ordinary kings die their wives are been forbidden for others. It is even in our culture and all over. Its just a means of honouring the Noble Prophet.

true2god:
They will avoid this thread like a plaque. Let's wait, maybe they went for Islamic NASFAT sunday school.

Sorry please what is al taquiya?? Sincerely I don't know maybe I can learn from you.....!!!

plappville:
You cannot know how she was, how then do you kniw who Muhammad was that you call him noble prophet?

A good understanding of my previous post would comfortably answer this question. But briefly put; the answer is that, there is more literature on who the prophet is which was well documented by muslim and non muslim scholars compared to literature detailing how Aisha was when the prophet married her.

plappville:
How is Muhammad a noble prophet?

And again, why dont you want to agree with the Islamic version of Aisha 's age ?

My sister, please permit me to answer your last question first and vice versa (Thank you). It is not as if we don't agree with the Islamic version of Aisha's age, what we are saying is that, we can't categorically say for sure how she was (physically and psychologically) when the prophet married her or even how the girls of that era generally were due to certain variables which I mentioned earlier and the fact that we have little literature describing her in details, which brings me to the second question. We muslims indeed say the prophet is Noble (not only Muhammad (SAW) including all prophets of God). Simply because of his way of life which was well documented by both muslim and non-muslim arabic scholars. Let me highlight a little, try and imagine president Buhari aside being president also the chief justice, also the chief of defence staff and also the chief Imam and yet being able to carry out his duties successfully, despite been under constant attack by adversaries. Also my sister, you will appreciate when we call the prophet Noble if only you had an idea of what the Arabian peninsular was like before the Noble prophet ( buring infant girls alive, idolatory, wife swap
etc) and what the Arabian peninsular became just within 23yrs of Muhammad's calling, one would appreciate whom truly this man is.

It should also be noteworthy that if truly the Noble prophet had married an under aged girl (Paedophile) as speculated, Don't you feel the christians, jews, idol worshippers or even atheists of his time who were hell bent against the Noble prophet would have used it against him, which would also have been well documented at least by non muslim arab scholars !!!!

In conclusion my sister I really appreciate your concern and your manner of approach towards this issue and hope to engage more with your likes so as to share and gain knowledge from each other. Thank you.

annunaki2:
I didn't abuse or tongue lash you but the fact remains that you made some illogical and unreasonable defence in support off mohammed who was clearly a paedophile and despicable character. Quit covering up for mohamed, he is the worst character to ever step on the surface of this earth. His legacy is the biggest cause of man induced death and violence in the history of mankind.

My dear brother, this is the 3rd time you are replying and yet you still failed to identify any of the so-called "Illogical and Unreasonable defence" of the Noble prophet. Rather than first of all responding to the points raised, your main focus is more or less intent on bashing the character of the Noble prophet which to me is entirely meaningless. My dear brother, this is an academic environment and we are both matured educated adults trying to gain knowledge from each other in order to understand each other better. Why not we stick to the points raised and educate each other better so that we will both gain meaning fully from each other at the end of the day. Thanks so much once more for your time....!!!

annunaki2:
Cause you made so many illogical assumptions in your bid to cover up mohammed's shameful act of paedophilia and child abuse. I wonder why you muslims always find it so difficult to admit the obvious. Your mohammed is clearly not a good example of a human being talkless of being labelled as an exemplary prophet that you muslims paint him to be.

Sincerely my friend it isn't like that at all, it would have been nicer if you had done justice to some of the points I raised. My friend, abusing or tongue lashing me would never make me see reasons with you but rather would make us engage in a verbal combat which would be a waste of MB, Time and at the end we would gain nothing. My friend, I am not covering anybody and nobody would arrest me if I am a muslim or not, I'm only trying to reason with you as two matured adults would. Thanks for your time

annunaki2:
And you think you are making sense

Habaaa,, my dear friend it hasn't come to that nah, but anyway I still wish you the best......!!!

true2god:
Cool down sister, stop justifying the pedophilic nature of your prophet with the evil sunnah of your prophet. Your prophet, being the best man in Islam, is expected to live a higher moral standard than his contemporary. If he can't live a high moral live, if did he call himself a prophet? Why are Muslims the ones to always make excuses for their prophet's sins and evil?

You said it is normal for Arabs of 1400 years ago to marry young, please can you tell me the age limit for girls to marry in Saudi Arabia in this 2016? Can you tell me the age limit in Iran, Pakistan or Sudan? The truth is, there is no age limit, a girl as young as 5 can still be married off in this countries. Are you telling us that Saudi Arabia is still existing in 570AD in 2016? Please don't brainwash us, you can do that in your mosques.

You said adolescent comes early in the Arab/desert world, where is the scientific paper that justified this statement? The truth is that there is none. This is a point made for Muslim's consumers only, it has no basis for rationality because adolescent and faster growth, among girl, has a lot to do with the amount of food and medications available. A girl from a richer home with good food and medication 24/7, has a tendency of entering physical maturity than a girl from a poor home. It is a known fact that the Arabs, who live in the desert and pure sand, have less access to food than their counterpart who live in the rain forest or close to the sea. How can the Arabs of Mohammed's period develop more physically than the Europeans of that time? It not possible.

You use Arizona, US, to justify Islamic practices of prebuscenth and by extension to justify Mohammed's marriage to baby Aisha, you get it wrong. The minimum age limit is 16 and not 12 as you wrongly claimed and besides there is no minimum age limit for girls to marry in Islam (Quran 65:5). What do you follow, the non-dynamic Quran/Sharia or the dynamic US constitution? Even if your assumption is right, that a state in the US approved a girl of 12 to marry, that does not still justify Mohammed's (who was 51 yrs) marriage to baby Aisha (who was 6 yrs then). Mohammed should not have acted like his fellow desert barbarians. And FYI, Aisha was initially betrothed to a younger boy, Mutim, before Mohammed claimed allahh showed Aisha to him in a dream hence made it lawful for him to marry. Mohammed played a similar stunt on zaid ibn Mohammed, when he said allahh showed him zainab (zaid's wife) in a trance hence made her lawful for him to marry (Qur'an 33:37, the history of al-tabari vol 8, page 2-4).

Lastly, you couldn't give reasons why Mohammed married baby Aisha because you know too well that they are irrational.

Danke,

My good friend, concerning the issue of paedophilia in Islam ( Noble Prophet marrying an under aged girl"Aisha" let's reason together this way; Some people say Aisha was 14yrs when the prophet married her, some say she was 9yrs (commonest) and some say 11yrs. Irrespective of what we believe, one thing for sure is, we can never know for sure how Aishat was (psychologically and physically) when the Noble Prophet married her. Even the so called 14yrs is not even based on our own modern calculation of age (using solar years and 24hrs time) and also in Islam we don't use age to peg maturity rather we use physical (puberty) and psychological (ability to make rational decision) means. We are now in a quagmire since neither you nor me ever saw Aisha to evaluate her therefore we will have no choice but to go to what Islam says about marriage. In Islam there are 4 pillars for the marriage to be legal/acceptable and number 1 is consent from the girl in question. Now, based on our modern assessment, is it possible to accept consent from a 9-14 year old girl? The answer is NO !!! Not even a 15-16yr old girl (that's why they are not allowed to open an account till 18 except with their parent/guardian because psychologically they are incapable of some rational decisions). So therefore marriage to any girl of this age bracket (9-14) is not acceptable Islamically because it is impossible for you to obtain a valid consent from them. In conclusion, if Islam is totally against paedophilia and under aged marriage as explained above, then why would the Noble Prophet engage in such. I therefore believe if we reason together this way, we would educate ourselves better and have more understanding and tolerance for each other. Thanks for your time in reading this lengthy response....!!!

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I thought GEJ paid these militants to secure these pipelines during his tenure. Meaning despite been paid millions of Naira they where still bunkering....!!! (Giving a monkey money to look after a bunch of banana)

Byko899:
I am a christian and am from south east, but to be honest with you I love this religion, the honesty and respect the worshiper have for it is unique, but I can't understand why it is more easy for a Muslim to kill than any other religion, and number 2,they pretend too much,they pose so much law on female child but will still go at the back to defile her even at a very young age

Sincerely I understand you perfectly, but remember that if you want to judge a religion, you should judge based on what the religion says or commands (constitution) rather than what the people do. For example: Nigerians are known abroad for fraud, drugs etc does that means Nigerian constitution encourages it or Nigeria is a bad country? The Islamic constitution (Quran) was clear about killing people by saying "whosoever kills a human being is as if he has killed a whole nation and whosoever saves a human being is as if he has saved a whole nation" So therefore, any muslim finding it easy to kill people is totally out of Islam. Concerning the laws placed on females. All the laws placed on females in Islam are strictly for their own benefit (give me any example and ill tell you the benefit) but defiling a young female is totally un-Islamic, In Islam, one of the first condition for marriage is the female's consent and can we get consent for an 11 or 13 or 14 yr old girl? The answer is NO!!!, therefore that makes the marriage to an immature or under-aged female null and void also totally un-Islamic, talk less of defiling her. So my dear brother, I hope I have been able to do justice to your observations, please feel free to share anything you feel you are uncomfortable with about Islam. Thanks so much for your time.

1) In Islam, tithe is strictly for the poor
2) In Islam, tithe is forbidden for the Imam/Alfa/Sheikh (hence they are usually encouraged to get a job in addition to their religious duties)
3) In Islam, poor people are prohibited from giving tithe
4) In Islam, debtors are prohibited from giving tithe
5) In Islam, dependent people e.g. children, dependent old people etc are prohibited from giving tithe
6) In Islam, building a mosque from tithe is forbidden
7) In Islam, tithe constitute a negligible 2.5% of your yearly income, hence very easy to give without stress
In Islam, money from an illegitimate or haram source (e.g breweries) is prohibited from been used as tithe
9) In Islam, tithe is first given to any poor person from your family, if there are none then extended family, if none then 10 windows left and if none then 10 windows right
10) If at all tithe is given to the Imam, the purpose is meant for onward distribution to the poor within the vicinity whom the Imam is likely to be familiar with since he leads prayer for the vicinity 5 times a day......!!!

If I remember correctly, when PMB appointed his military chiefs one of the statements he made was "I have not met any of you before except Buratai whom I've met once, you are all appointed based on recommendation due to your excellent performance in service". When PMB said that he was hailed by everyone I wonder what is the difference now

madapcmod:
Sentiment already beclouded ur sense of judgment that's y u came defensive without taking proper look at the pictures. The heart is not large it was only magnified by camera, check the 3rd guy with a white plastic container see the size of the ice cream container, then look at d enlarged picture again.

Talking about shape of human heart, do u know how long it has stayed and the effect of decomposition? This is not a fresh heart for heaven's sake, u can't really say this is d shape from a decomposing heart.

My friend are you speculating or are you talking based on knowledge and experience?That heart is not a human heart, I've told you that I don't care about who committed the crime, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't go out and call the last pics below a human heart. Shikena...!!! Nb. Decomposition makes organs shrink not swell or change in shape, don't confuse the swelling of a decomposed human dead body to an organ. In a dead body it is due to accumulation of gases. Also look at the pics one more time and forget if its a yoruba/ibo/hausa that committed the crime, you would see it is very large.

Point of correction to everyone, I didn't say they didn't commit the crime or even did worse things. I don't have time for Yoruba vs Ibo/Hausa bickering. All I'm saying is that, that last picture is not a human heart, for the following reasons. 1) The human heart is conical in shape, what I'm seeing in that pics is a quadrilateral shaped heart ( more of a cow's heart) 2) The human heart is not as large as what I'm seeing in that pics ( if its that large it would contain almost half of the thoracic cavity). Please we youths should not allow blind sentiments make us lose our objectivity.

I'm an anatomist and I can confidently say that what we are seeing below is not a human heart AT ALL. Let's not allow sentiments cloud our judgement !!!!

I'm kinda confused here,
1) Most of GEJ/IPOB supporter were cheering and supporting NDA during their attacks
2) These same above supporters got angry some days back when GEJ called for one Nigeria
3) Now, after Sahara Reporters said GEJ is an NDA sponsor, these same people are calling Sahara reporters a trash news agency and saying the report is a lie
4) Naturally from the above premise, I would expect GEJ/IPOB supporters to be happy about the news since it confirms what they hope for. Please someone should help me clarify what is really happening....!!!

BeClever:
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Have you finished?
Look around you now and realize Nigeria is still the hell you know even after your silly analysis..

. My friend, respond to the points raised and stop been unnecessarily sentimental.

LET'S ANAYLZE THIS ISSUE SINCERELY DEVIOD OF BIAS

1) No oil company can ever mine crude oil or any resources at that, without paying what we call "royalties" to the host government (federal government). This royalties cover for the cost of the crude mined, the land and any damages the mining has done to the land.
QUESTION
Did federal government complain the royalties weren't paid?: NO
Did the Oil companies pay their royalties?: YES
WHY THEN DESTROY THEIR (OIL COMPANIES) PROPERTIES?

2) The federal government in turn pays each oil producing states extra federal allocation (13% derivation). That's why Sokoto's federal allocation is far lesser than Bayelsa, despite far bigger than Bayelsa
QUESTION
Did Niger Delta governors complain the allocation wasn't paid to them by Federal Government: NO
Did Federal government pay the allocation: YES

WHY DESTROY THEIR PROPERTIES

CONCLUSION
If oil companies pay their royalties and federal government in turn pays each oil producing state its allocation and yet Niger Deltan still complain of neglect, I believe the missing link is with the STATE GOVERNORS. These people should be held responsible rather than vandalising and destroying government and other people's property.

NB: The presidential amnesty program is still on, and while the government is still struggling to repair the pipe line damages, they still have to fund the amnesty program too.

During the January 2012 subsidy removal crises (GEJ's regime), I was totally against the removal of subsidy and now during PMB's regime when subsidy has just been removed, I'm supporting it. Does it show double standard or fanaticism? The Answer is capital NO, for the following reasons;
1) During GEJ's regime, the subsidy removal was abrupt, when town hall consultations were still going on, to the extent that travellers were even stranded. Nigerians where caught unaware, which raised suspicion.
2) GEJ never portrayed himself as a sincere incorruptible president, rather he portrayed himself as a corrupt weakling capable of been manipulated hence his policies were usually viewed with suspicion.
3) Massive corruption was going on a large scale during GEJ's regime, with scores of people around him e.g ministers etc lliving lavishly hence GEJ lost the moral justification to stand in front of Nigerian and tell them to tighten their belts
4) During GEJ's regime, Nigeria was earning massively from crude oil sales and could maintain the subsidy hence when the subsidy was removed people became suspicious, leading to people feeling that its an opportunity for GEJ to divert subsidy funds (Remember Kerosene subsidy). Compare to PMB's regime whereby crude oil price has fallen and subsidy removal is no more a luxury but a necessity.
5) During GEJ's regime, subsidy removal was on the insistence of IMF, and we all know IMF never means well for African countries. Compared to now (PMB's regime) whereby susbsidy removal is based on reality on ground
In conclusion, I will like to state that I will continue to support PMB's policies wholeheartedly provided he continues to remain sincere.
A SINCERE DULLARD IS FAR BETTER THAN A CORRUPT GENIUS....!!!

I got 188 too buh am studying vet udusok sokoto

JackBizzle:
There is no way Genghis Kahn was a muslim. He didnt accept halal style for getting meat.

NO REPUTABLE SOURCE puts Genghis as a muslim

At this juncture I can now see where the problem lies. My dear friend, your problem is not with my post or Genghis khan (because that is what you've been hammering on). YOUR PROBLEM is with the religion of ISLAM. My dear brother, you and your colleagues said I was lying, I was doing tauqiya and probably wasn't even a muslim. I said no problem and then brought my evidences and sources, only for you to discredit my evidences and references/sources, saying they are not reputable DESPITE YOU NOT PROVIDING ANY SOURCE or reference to back your claim......Hmmmmm. At this point I'll finally rest my case on this issue, if you believe fine and if you disbelieve no problem, I will only pray for guidance for you. On a final note; please don't take any of the above personal, the sweetness of diversity is to share knowledge *smiles*

JackBizzle:
So, it is clear that Genghis Khan experienced different religions not just islam.

Even by your comment, your original point is false

My dear friend, please read my comment again (this time more carefully). I said they are 3 schools of thoughts concerning the religion of Ghengis Khan. Some said he embraced the religion of his conquered territory (Islam), Some said he didn't at all rather he remained a shamanist and Some said he embraced Taoism, Shamanism, Islam and Buddhism. I said I chose the former for reasons which I listed and I gave references. So what else do you want me to do again (or should I wake him from his grave to ask him for his religion)*smiles* .

JackBizzle:
So, it is clear that Genghis Khan experienced different religions not just islam.

Even by your comment, your original point is false

My dear friend, please read my comment again (this time more carefully). I said they are 3 schools of thoughts concerning the religion of Ghengis Khan. Some said he embraced the religion of his conquered territory (Islam), Some said he didn't at all rather he remained a shamanist and Some said he embraced Taoism, Shamanism, Islam and Buddhism. I said I chose the former for reasons which I listed and I gave references. So what else do you want me to do again (or should I wake him from his grave to ask him for his religion)*smiles* .

Annunaki:
How will you know the OP is a true muslim if he doesn't add lies to his posts?

Habaaaa my friend its not like that, anyway below are my evidences
"Unlike other emperors builder, Ghengis Khan embraced the religious diversity of his conquered territory (which includes Baghdad to Syria down to Persia- all muslim territory) 'bracket inclusion mine'" (www.history.com/news/history-lists/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-genghis-khan). Although some other sources also claimed that he did not embrace only Islam but other religion e.g Taoism, Shamanism and even Buddhism. While some other sources claim he was strictly a shamanist. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Mongol_Empire) . I chose to go with the former due to the fact that; 1) Majority of the areas Ghengis Khan conquered remained majority muslim and even some that weren't muslim later became muslim. 2) Some his family members became muslims, in fact devoted muslims, for example his grandson Berke Khan (lostislamichistory.com/6-great-converts-to-islam/) which I believe couldn't have occurred spontaneously if there was no background. In conclusion, be as it may, you are entitled to your belief while I have chosen mine and the reasons were clearly stated above. This is history my friend and I stand to be corrected anytime !!!

JackBizzle:
False.

1) The prophet, despite being a man, was given a higher status than all other men. He could marry more than 4 wives.

2) Imams/Clerics are usually given a higher status when it comes to interpreting the Quran. Even here on nairaland, many muslims refer to the opinion of scholars when they cant answer a question from a non-muslims

3) It can be argued that women and men are of different class according to the religion (dependent on interpretation). Afterall, muslimahs cant marry 4 husbands, can they?

Reread what I posted, I said "EXCEPT THE PIOUS ONES". The noble Prophet was the most pious as a prophet of Allah, hence got special privileges. In the case of a scholar or Imam, they are not superior to anyone in the sight of Allah we only respect them based on their knowledge and we criticise them according if what they say is against the Quran or sunnah. Its like saying Doctors are superior to everybody! Nooo, we only respect doctors based on their knowledge.
For men and women, we believe in gender specialisation. Both male and female are equal in the sight of Allah e.g if a man or woman commits fornication the punishment is the same