₦airaland Forum

Eziachi:
Can you see now why I called you a hypocrite in another thread where you were hailing Robert Mugabe as your African hero? On this thread, you are disgusted with Ibori and those of his friend in Nigeria that wanted him left alone by the U.K’s justice system, but on the other hand Mugabe was your hero because, according to you, he is fighting the white man in your behalf, irrespective of starving his people. What is the different between Mugabe and Ibori and those that wanted him left alone to enjoy his loot?
And the white man you always lambasting as your problem is the same that wants to fight your biggest problem and was getting negative vibes from your rulers. Only some mindless Africa goons still white people for all the wrongs in African after half a century of self government.
As a horse can only allowed a rider on his back.

cap28:
please explain

doyin13:
I think this is a bit unfair. I am very wary of his economic policies which seem informed by premeditated ideology, but this isn't the first time he has made comments on the failings of multiculturalism.

And frankly I agree with him. It has its dangers of course and might prove a worthy cover for outright racists, but I can't say I disagree with the idea government money should not go to organisations who promote something that is anathema to the British way of life. If your organisation actively advocates a legal system that challenges the constitution then its a bit of a piss take to get funding from constitutionally established authorities.

Quite analogous to the situation in Nigeria really where the Sharia states are pretty much having their cake and eating it.

ocelot2006:
Wake up from your collective wet dreams. The unity of the Federal Republic of Nigeria will not be broken. We are not the only multicultural/multi-religious nation on earth. Yet while others like Malaysia, Singerpore, have made it worked, we're all here whining. Do you really think that the nation's problems will be resolved when we split? What makes you think that after separation, the problem of ethnic domination won't rear its ugly head in the new states? For example, assuming the south-south bcomes a new nation, do you think the ethnic groups won't be fighting for domination?
So pls quit whining and play your own role in making this nation of ours great. Put your nation first before your ethnic group or religion/creed. Whether you believe it or not, we need each other, and our multiple cultures and creeds is actually a blessing to us, and the one thing that makes us unique.

PBundles:
Its also a wonder to me actually, since I dont teach in Nigeria. I teach in Amsterdam

PBundles:
There is no need for you to type in red or get angry. I was not bragging (beleive me) just stating the facts. I did learn this in undergrad way back. If this is bragging to you, I better not state what I do. But accept my apologies if you fell I was putting you down, not the case. I ran a search as you http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Ak4xnXKq8hPEpp1G0omkemmbvZx4?vc=&fp_ip=gb&p=is+the+nigerian+state+secular&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-892said and sorry to say NOTHING you claim popped up, actually the first seach result showed as I mentioned, it was not a secular state. Whats interesting is that it seems that you dont know where you stand. First you claimed Boko Haram, then you asked if there were secular states that operated with other religious influences, then when I answered, you danced around that. Initially you called for the split and now you come back only use my first post (which you initially laughed off), when I claimed that the difference was not religion or any of that, but the have and have nots. But you still have not told us how solving the secular issue will help Nigeria. As I asked previously (and now again), is that the reason why we dont have steady electricity, no jobs, bad infrastructure, high crime rate, no running water, uncontrolled corruption in all facets of government, etc, etc, etc and the list goes on? NO, its mismangement and bad governance PERIOD. Have a look at different global panels, websites as to what the problem is with Nigeria. Religion is way down the list. Number one Bad Governance. Every single issue that the country has comes back to bad governance. I wish it were that simple to blame it on religion, but its not. The fact is that religion has played a minor role in Nigeria, but has always been given a front row seat why, BECAUSE IT HAS ALLOWED THE HAVES TO DIVIDE AND RULE. So this was used by the moslims as well as the Christians. Were the 1st coup plotters not Christians? The first minister of theft finance, was it not a southener (Okotie Eboh)? What religion was the counter coup successor again: GOWON WAS A CHRISTIAN, NOT MUSLIM. I dont know how long I have heard an ibo man will never head the army, guess what, we now have one. Who did the PDP choose to rep them, even though some fought tooth and nail for zoning. My point is simple. Yes there has been turmoil, region wise and religious wise, but it has always and will always be the haves vs the have nots. I refuse and will not hate or be against any well meaning muslim or northerner Nigerian. Faith has made them my brothers. I say well meaning since I dont consider a radical (be it muslim or christian) to be well meaning. At the end of the day dont they want what I want. What makes you think that a Northerner is happy about the situation in Nigeria? Have you ever sat down and spoken to any of them? I have, they are also not happy. The only difference is that in the North,in contradiction to the west, and south, a rich man wont flaunt his wealth and openly oppress the poor, but they are not silly. They see that they are being left out. As I mentioned, you can split that country into all the micro countries you want, the issue of bad governance will remain. The only difference will be that teh club wil be smaller. For the good order, I dont want you to be offended, if I did accept my apologies.  You nor I are the direct reason that its going bad in that country, or we would be slapping thighs and laughing now in Dubai. PEACE.

PBundles:
Its also a wonder to me actually, since I dont teach in Nigeria. I teach in Amsterdam

PBundles:
@ShangoThor, I know I said I wouldnt, couldnt give up the urge :[url][/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state
I know its wiki, and as a lecturer hate when students use it but, hey we dont have to tell them

No wonder why Nigerian students keep on failing! LOL 

PBundles:
You are funny, but at least you will get credit for trying. You are a perfect example of the issues we have. Instead of opening up an assuming possibly you could learn something (dont take offense), you will argue you case whether its based on facts or not. And if all doesnt work, we will through some grammer, maybe we can shake them (more smoke screens). Im a partime lecturer in a university, anyways back to the what we were discussing. Ignorance is not pretty. Are you saying that India is not a secular state? Please dont say this around educated people. Let me help you: with the excemption of say 30 countries ( dont feel like listing them all), most are secular. Most norther african countries (tunisia, egypt etc) are classified as having a state regilion. Another tip Nigeria is actually NOT a SECULAR STATE (sorry to bust yr bubble) they are termed an ambiguous state. Look it up or ask someone who did Poli 101 they should be able to help you. Never thought that I would be falling back on my undergrad days (took it as a minor some 15 years ago). I would search the web fro you for links and stuff but dont feel the urge to look up things Im sure about. It would be like me googling is Abuja is really the capital of Nigeria. Interesting for someone not from Nigeria, but a waste for me (get it). But feel free to. And let us know what you found. Possibly with actual references wo we can check.

PBundles:
@ShangoThor concerning your question:Can you name me One country or Nation State in the world where there is the existence of a clustester of Sharia adopting States within a Secular State?
Yes there is : INDIA! The law of India wa drafted to deal with relgious beliefs, crazy but true. Indian law is complex, with each religion having its own specific laws. There are separate laws governing Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and followers of other religions. The exception to this rule is in the state of Goa, where a Portuguese uniform civil code is in place, in which all religions have a common law regarding marriages, divorces and adoption. There you go,

jmoore:
Nigeria will always remain one!!!!

If there is any possibility of Nigeria splitting then the result is that we might end up with more than 1000 countries.

kabtun:
ofcourse no secular state practices sharia legal system, so also i dont know any state in nigeria where sharia is been imposed on everyone. sharia legal system is only for muslims in the state where it is adopted. the constitution of nigeria is supreme to any form of law in nigeria.
tell any non muslim that had tried under the sharia legal system[/color]

kabtun:
its a good thing for southern sudan, freedom is sweet.
for those of us that are advocating for break up of nigeria, you might need to consider this:
nigeria is not sudan, nigeria is so polarised that if we start to break up, we might end up with over 200 countries emerging from nigeria.
its goes as thus
1. first break will be between north and south
2. after about 20 yrs, the south will further divide i.e east and west
3. there after south south will part ways with the south east
4. calabar will also urge for seperation from the ibo.
5. how do you deal with the tiv, ebira, jukun, nupe, egba, and so on.
take a look at state creation, every ethnic group wants its own state. we started from regions. from 4 regions we are down to 36 state and the demand is still on going.
its good we break up if you think but i believe our strenght is our size. with democracy and rotational presidency we will sure get to the promise land.
WAR IS DANMED TO COSTLY

ozenyen:
I agree with you Nigeria as a nation is faced with a lot of problems. To correct all the ills of the past will mean that as many people as possible will get involved in the process. That does not mean the change will necessarily come 1n 2011, over time as more people that realizes that the problem is not where a man comes from or what religion he practices but what he can offer the masses we will begin to see the desired change.

For me I believe that one day Nigeria will be great again, I will not give up on the project called Nigeria

Solozzo:
@ Ozenyen
Absolutely right . Dividing the country is not the solution. It is true democracy that is the answer. If given the right opportunity the people have the capacity to elect leaders that would create change and grow the economy, They may make mistakes iniitially but with time know who best serve their interests,   A good example is Edo state who voted for Igbenidion who turned out to be corrupt and inept. They had been able to make the cnage to Oshiomolie who is currently doing a good job.

But in most states of the country and especially at the Federal level in  Nigeria because of greed and corruption, true democracy is not allowed, and this dminshes the hope for good future for the country

Solozzo:
we missed the opportunity to split in 1970 after the civil war. It would be almost impossible now because we are so greedy and everybody wants to be part of the oil areas so that they can loot the treasury. We are in for a long phase of suffering before we are able to take our destiny in our own hands like Tunisia did

ozenyen:
You have not answered my question, if you can show me that your state Governor/local govt chairman has used the resources in his care for the advancement of your people's cause. then probably we can talk of more. for to whom is faithful with a little is faithful with much.

Even if we are to divide the country into the number of local govt as separate countries a few will still use the states funds for their selfish goals.

alj harem:
does sharia law apply to you

are you a muslim

ozenyen:
I think a lot of us makes the assumption that if Naija splits life will be better, for me i do not think the solution is in dividing the country. how well has the states and the local govt being managed by our kinsmen done? to me it doesn't suggest things are these bads because of the diverse tribes. we have a common enemy these are people who sees the treasury as their personal estates. we have all these people in all the tribes

PBundles:
So let me get  this straight, the reason why we have  the problems we have in Nigeria is because of Boko Haram? Really? Im a Southerner, but please remind me again, the kids that were kidnapped somewhile back in SE, which part of Jos did they come from? The mess at MMA was sabotaged by Boko Haram. The reason why qualified undergraduates cannot find a job is because of Boka Haram. Electricity that Ghana can guarantee to their civilians we cant because of Boko Haram. Corruption at its highest order, let us guess Boko Haram. That police and teachers are not paid meaningfull salaries and as such have resulted to unlawful behaviour all together folks,  Boko Haram.  The situation in Warri, Boko Haram. Ibori was forced to steal by guess who folk, Boko Haram. That the average Nigerian is not guaranteed the right of meaningful life Boko Haram. Wow Im getting afraid, these guys are really deep rooted, but explain one thing to me: WHY IS IT THAT MAINSTREAM MUSLIMS HAVE ALL SAID THEY HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THEM AND THEY ARE NOT REPS OF ISLAM. Have you heard of David Koresh? A crazy man who said he was from the tribe of David and was stocking ammunition till the US authority interceded. He was Christian. The Spanish Inquisition (look it up) carried out by Catholics. So religious upheaval is inbred in every society, but please oh please dont tell me thats why Nigeria is in the state it is. If we got rid of every member of Boka Haram and created a Berlin wall to separate Christians from Muslims, it will be your local politician (possibly from your own home town/village) that will cause ruin.

PBundles:
All is well in Nigeria folks according to ShangoThor. As long as you dont live in Jos or Bauchi, life is a bed of roses in our Nigeria.

PBundles:
This is wonderful news indeed. All the best to them. This is how it should be, a government for the people by the people and they have spoken. Much kudos to the North for accepting it, even though much of their revenue is in the South. Back to Nigeria, it amazes me how our plight is compared to that of Sudan. Their issue was more a difference in religion etc. Ours I'm sorry to say is more complex than that. I agree there are times when I feel there is a cultural difference bw the North and South, but in all honesty, I believe we have bridge that gap to a very large extent. A example of this is GEJ recent PDP nomination, winning key North states. Now fellow Nigerian ask yourselves and lets be honest, something we all have a problem being, would the situation really change? Really. So if there was a split the kidnappings in the S.E. would stop? That infrastructure would improve? That there would be no issues with christians in the North and vice versa? And most importantly POLITICIANS WOULD NOT RANSOME OUR WEALTH AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN AWAY, REALLY R U SO NAIVE TO BELIEVE THIS. My fellow Nigerians the biggest issue we have is governance and leadership. One that abides by the laws and respects all Nigerians in the assurance of a better future. Have a look at the House of Rep or Senate, aren't they representing ALL regions and religions and yet they as a bunch have seen to be corrupt. What about the bank crisis, weren't all regions and religions involved. Come on my brothers and sisters this North South thing is a smoke screen so we don't see the truth. The real division is not Christian and Muslim, North or South its the have and have nots. To be fellow christians may you remain blessed to my muslim brothers and sisters I say salum alekum.

alj harem:
@ topic
[size=28pt]bull.poo [/size]

tell me why nigeria should spit

Tsiya:
The problem with Nigerian government, politicians and police is the refusal to admit the truth. The Governor and police were saying it was a political assasination but we all know that the Boko Haram has taken a dangerous turn long time ago. Instead of our intelligence services to swing into action, the only thing they can think of doing is to flood the city with police and army who are mostly have low IQ and become ready target for the Boko Haram.

Maiduguri is a desert city. There are no mountains and no forrest; fishing these people out would have been much easier if the police/intelligence services were doing their job.