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 Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 10:34am On Jan 31, 2011 |
1. We need to build a broad (multi faith and multi tribal)consensus across Nigeria in order to get the UN involved so they can sponsor a referendum for separation. That is the objective,and it is more important than any individuals ego. The status quo can only be maintained by "divide and rule" or "divide and conquer", and this is why all over Southern Nigeria, we have to join forces to end this arrangement. 2.The broad Southern Nigerian Alliance has to offer as much support possible to minority communities in Northern Nigeria. This is about the protection of the rights of minority communities period. Butchering babies illustrates a propensity for violence of biblical proportions. Men fight men, women fight women, people fight people, but the slaughtering of babies is a psychological message left by the perpetrators. The main implication being that they are willing to wipe out the community. It is time to take a stand. [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too". I doubt that there would any main objections to achieveing this goal by the other regions in Nigeria.[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 11:45pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you expect people to forget about their babies being butchered then you know nothing about human nature This situation is only going to get worse. |
| Politics › Re: Why Cant Diasporic Nigerians Take A Qeueu From Egyptians In The Us? by ShangoThor(m): 11:29pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
Ma J Blige, I think you're right. [size=14pt]Pictures of Butchered babies haunt my dreams, I am ready to do something in the UK.[/size] These baby butchers think they can get away with it. I have lobbied my MP, written to the BBC and I will demonstrate anyday - Butchering babies - It makes me sick Egypt protests started on Twitter. I am aware Nigerians in general accept these facts, but they also accepted the "Slave Trade" |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 11:01pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
We need to build a broad (multi faith and multi tribal)consensus across Nigeria in order to get the UN involved so they can sponsor a referendum for separation. That is the objective,and it is more important than any individuals ego. |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 10:44pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
Nigeria is meant to be a pluralistic society! The status quo can only be maintained by "divide and rule" or "divide and conquer", and this is why all over Southern Nigeria, we have to join forces to end this arrangement. [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too". I doubt that there would any main objections to achieveing this goal by the other regions in Nigeria.[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 10:36pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
[size=14pt]"The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing" - Edmund Burke[/size] The point now is to let our Northern countrymen to know is that the time is up. Enough is enough. The game is over! The country will split, you have no vision or strategy for our collective existence all you desire is a monopoly on power and subjugating others. It's time to split amicably, please lobby your elders, enough is enough [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 10:09pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
ifele:@ bold : [size=28pt]Bingo! ![/size] |
| Politics › Re: Cleric Warns Northern Christians Against Reprisals by ShangoThor(m): 9:53pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
[size=14pt]Yoruba Ronu ? ? ? How long for? Indefinite procrastination is not a plan.[/size] 1. The Yoruba position of clearly sitting on the fence, waiting for the opportune moment despite clearly knowing who the aggressors are is ridiculous and might prove to be very costly in the future. 2. The Yoruba are missing an ideal opportunity to show leadership and a moral compass, highlighting the plight of Social Justice; the eradication of poverty and hunger; respect for women; protection for the vulnerable, minors and children on the continent and EARN SOME RESPECT, considering how the Yoruba population(s) was decimated during the Slave Trade. 3. The Yoruba and Northerners will not develop identity specific tensions to the point of there being large scale violence and casualties that would force the issue that would start the process. 4. There will be very few opportunities to split the country. Staying in a political union with Baby Buthers because your babies have not been butchered yet is a ridiculous strategy. 5. The Yoruba need to have an open mind, form an alliance with other Southern Nigerians to defeat the common enemy foe first. It would be a lot easier to form an ODUA Republic (which I do not believe will be required) out of a Southern Nigeria, as opposed to forming an ODUA Republic out of Nigeria as it stands. View it as 2 steps to achieving the objective instead of 1. But to do nothing, is a recipe for disaster , this strategy will not work, in fact it is not a plan at all. 6. The Yoruba need to build a broad (multi faith and multi tribal)consensus across Nigeria in order to get the UN involved so they can sponsor a referendum for separation. That is the objective,and it is more important than individual egos. Yoruba Ronu ? ? ? How long for? We need a plan. Seriously, don't get caught napping. [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Cleric Warns Northern Christians Against Reprisals by ShangoThor(m): 9:51pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
[size=14pt]"The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing" - Edmund Burke[/size] There is a fine line between Reprisals and Defense. If your baby or your neigbours baby is about to be butchered, the perpetrators should be repelled by "any means necessary". I have seen pictures of butchered babies from this conflict, and you cannot tell if the babies are Youruba, Igbo, Tiv or Ijaw, they are babies with black faces, African babies. During the 'Slave Trade' there were African's that were opposed to resistance and pro-inaction, but now, I would like to think we are 'ENLIGHTENED', and understand evil for what it is. The commentator is from our Father's generation, the "independendence generation" that have clearly failed us, what the hell are we about to inherit? The country has gone backwards, it has regressed since the 80's. Why Nigeria, commentators always talk about "arrested development", but "regressive development", that is some crazy shi@t , why Nigeria? It's time for change. Remember, the Yoruba are enjoying the fruits of labour of a Yoruba woman, Funmilayo Kuti, a champion of Social Justice and access to free Universal education, exemplary regarding Self Sacrifice and nurtured minds like her children and Wole Soyinka amongst others. |
| Politics › Re: Islam, Who Practice The Real Religion In Nigeria by ShangoThor(m): 5:09pm On Jan 30, 2011 |
EzeUche_:[size=18pt]EzeUche, bang on point![/size] |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 2:56am On Jan 30, 2011 |
jason123:[size=28pt]Bingo! ![/size] |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 2:44am On Jan 30, 2011 |
jason123:Hey man I know where you are coming from J, we actually have more in common than you think, but in my bid to remain objective in a non-tribalistic sense, I never talk about personal background info (because I know that stirer Alj harem ) is watching everything that people say  , his main objective is to skuttle any sign of a Southern Alliance growing. Most Northerners understand the "divide and conquer" theory quite well.However, our objective has to be to get rid of the baby butchers first. |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 2:20am On Jan 30, 2011 |
jason123:No True Federalism with a secular state and constitutional principles. As for the eradication of tribalism, I'm not that naive because there is even prejudice amongst the Yorubas, and there are also minorities amongst the Yoruba |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 2:08am On Jan 30, 2011 |
jason123:I understand what you said, but apparently Pa Awo also understood the issue of the common threat and wanted to form an alliance with Zik in 1957 to secede by going for independence in S Nigeria when the Northerners were not ready, but this fell through. This is a new generation, when the wealth and money starts pouring in, and jobs are being created people will not really care. All regions in S have oil, with every community keeping their own mineral resources, we will be talking about a completely different picture. |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 1:49am On Jan 30, 2011 |
@ Jason123, I respect what you're saying, but I believe it will never happen. 1. The Yoruba position of clearly sitting on the fence, waiting for the opportune moment despite clearly knowing who the aggressors are is ridiculous and might prove to be very costly in the future. 2. The Yoruba are missing an ideal opportunity to show leadership and a moral compass, highlighting the plight of the vulnerable on the continent and EARN SOME RESPECT, considering how the Yoruba population(s) was decimated during the Slave Trade. 3. The Yoruba and Northerners will not develop identity specific tensions to the point of there being large scale violence and casualties that would force the issue that would start the process. 4. There will be very few opportunities to split the country. Staying in a political union with Baby Buthers because your babies have not been butchered yet is a ridiculous strategy. 5. Why not have an open mind, form an alliance with other Southern Nigerians to defeat the common enemy foe first. It would be a lot easier to form an ODUA Republic out of a Southern Nigeria, as opposed to forming an ODUA Republic out of Nigeria as it stands. View it as 2 steps to achieving the objective instead of 1. But to do nothing, is a recipe for disaster , this strategy will not work, in fact it is not a plan at all. Yoruba Ronu ? ? ? How long for? Please describe to me a plan. The country has gone backwards, it has regressed since the 80's. Why Nigeria, commentators always talk about "arrested development", but "regressive development", that is some crazy shi@t , why Nigeria? It's time for change. Seriously, don't get caught napping. |
| Politics › Re: To All The Yorubas In Jos by ShangoThor(m): 12:35am On Jan 30, 2011 |
[size=18pt]Jason123, you have confused me with this thread, where do you stand?[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 12:11am On Jan 30, 2011 |
jason123:Well Jason123 I acknowledge your opinion, however, I will never accept the mass butchering of babies as acceptable regarding collateral damage. It will never be acceptable to me, and neither is it acceptable to the international community, and the position of inaction does accept this fact. It is a clearcut case. During the Slave Trade, there were also Africans arguing against stoping the Trade. My conscience dictates that I make as much noise as possible in order to effectively change the situation. [size=14pt]In the words of Edmund Burke - "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing"[/size] The country has gone backwards, it has regressed since the 80's. Why Nigeria, commentators always talk about "arrested development", but "regressive development", that is some crazy shi@t , why Nigeria? It's time for change. [size=20pt]Ultimately, both of us are just stipulating our own opinions. I believe in the sovereignty of the people, so let the people decide in a UN sponsored referendum.[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 11:30pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
[size=20pt]@ FineCat, I plead with you to chill,[/size] I know you are pissed off and so am I when I see the bodies of innocent babies butchered by machettes, however you have to recognise that there is a time for diplomacy, and the main objective of achieveing a separately formed State in Southern Nigeria (for now) is the ultimate (Objective) and solution to this matter. We have our education, we have to be logical in our reasoning, and have an excellent strategy, thus we should be able to achieve our goal which is a humongous task, considering all of our differences. You have to understand that the British ruled the Nigerian polity via "divide and conquer". Us, Southerners were rowdy but intelligent and directly ruled, but the Nothern colony were effectively allowed to portray the illusion that the were ruling themselves, "indirect rule" because this is the only way they could succede over organised Islam. The situation we have now is that the political vacuum of leadership that was left by the British has been usurped by our Northern countrymen. They are using exactly the same methods to maintain their dominance over the South, and believe it is their birthright to rule Nigeria, and are getting restless (as has been noticed recently) since they realized that power seems to be slipping away from them. [size=14pt]It was divine intervention, an act of God that threw a spanner in the works and revealed zoning to be unworkable and installed a minority in the office of president, whether people like it or not.[/size] We need to build a broad (multi faith and multi tribal)consensus across Nigeria in order to get the UN involved so they can sponsor a referendum for separation. That is the objective,and it is more important than any individuals ego. The status quo can only be maintained by divide and rule and divide and conquer, and this is why all over Southern Nigeria, we have to join forces to end this arrangement. [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 11:13pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
jason123:Jason123, this is now about strategy, If after forming a truely federated Southern Nigeria, and the Igbos still want to split, we will be able to do so amicably, without any babies being butchered. |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 11:03pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
Jason123 is partly right, he is trying to remain objective amidst so many understandable emotions being vented, so please don't hang him [size=20pt]The problem is not just to do with the Islam, but the brand of Islam that is being practiced in Northern Nigeria.[/size] I refer to the puritanists, the Shariaists, those that distinguish themselves as being differnt because they follow more superior laws than the laws of the State, those that have prevented Islam from evolving and being progressive with regards to education, knowledge, scienceand culture; and those that discriminate. It is the same attitude or view that excluded Saraki from being presented as a potential presidential candidate for the North when the issue of zoning was being discussed. Yes, I said it, the Islamic puritanism that serves to discriminate which also has a tendency to being extremely violent. For instance, Yoruba muslims do not butcher babies, neither do they perpetrate suicide bombings. They coexist peacefully with their kinsmen. The problem with this is that the moderates lost the battle to control Islam ages ago, and hence the puritanists run around and wreak havoc in modern times. I learnt about the complexity of the issue in Nigeria about 10 years ago when a friends cousin, a Southern Yoruba muslim was ranting and raving about Northern Islamic political domination of the polity that he said he wished that he had a "dirty bomb" so he could bomb Northern muslims. Obviously, I was so shocked about it, me being a naive Pan-Africanist, thinking all muslims stick together. The point now is to let our Northern countrymen to know is that the time is up. Enough is enough. The game is over The country will split, you have no vision or strategy for our collective existence all you desire is a monopoly on power and subjugating others. There are two options [size=14pt]a. The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] or [size=14pt]b. We will canvas and lobby the UN to sponsor a referendum in Southern Nigeria to split the country.[/size] Nobody in Southern Nigeria will ever forget the pictures of butchered babies, the corrupt politicians might, but not I. No amount of bombs, suicide bomebers and military coups will also terrorize us into submission neither. It's over. |
| Politics › Re: Sanusi's Very Interesting Write Up On Sharia In Nigeria. by ShangoThor(m): 6:39pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
Ikengawo:I could not sit idly by and watch such propaganga going by unchallenged when God endowed me with a brain. Their propaganda will be challeged, and intellectually defeated, because we have the education and we refuse to lose, enough is enough, we need a UN sanctioned referendum in Nigeria |
| Politics › Re: Baby Butchers * Murdering B*a*s*t*a*r*d*s - Jos by ShangoThor(op): 6:19pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
EzeUche_:EzeUche, my Brother, my Neighbour, my comrade, we will get US backing to split if we unite across the South and form an alliance, enough is enough. We will make so much noise that we will get their attention. |
| Politics › Re: Baby Butchers * Murdering B*a*s*t*a*r*d*s - Jos by ShangoThor(op): 6:16pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
13volts:Hey 13 Volts, it's time to split amicably, please lobby your elders, enough is enough [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Baby Butchers * Murdering B*a*s*t*a*r*d*s - Jos by ShangoThor(op): 6:12pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
EzeUche_:Not if we get the UN involved, it will be down to a referendum |
| Politics › Baby Butchers * Murdering B*a*s*t*a*r*d*s - Jos by ShangoThor(op): 5:46pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
What kind of society is more interested in impending Political elections than Babies being mass murdered, MASS BUTCHERED , http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150098846208254&set=a.10150098846103254.285404.124165628253 I'm convinced Nigeria is the DEVIL's LAIR. [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Soldiers shoot at university students in Nigeria by ShangoThor(m): 5:19pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
@ Frosbel, I am in support of you pasting graphical pictures in order to inform people of the brutality and atrocities. The Nigerian masses bury their heads in the sand whilst atrocities are being perpetrated against children and women too. I hope these images haunts the dreams of every Nigerian that sees them. Nigerian's might not be setting themselves on fire like the Arabs, but this is their form of self sacrifice for the cause. |
| Politics › Re: Soldiers shoot at university students in Nigeria by ShangoThor(m): 5:01pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
It's simply the begining of the end? How can those that distinguish themselves by the adoption of a body of religious laws (Sharia), deemed superior to the laws of the State, end up custodians of the State. It is time to end these contradictions! Enough is enough, Nigeria is a Pluralistic sociey. How much more bloodshed? [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 4:28pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
juman:It's simply the begining of the end? How can those that distinguish themselves by the adoption of a body of religious laws, deemed superior to the laws of the State, end up custodians of the State. It is time to end these contradictions! Enough is enough, Nigeria is a Pluralistic sociey. How much more bloodshed? [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Jos Burning Now! by ShangoThor(m): 3:47pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
namfav:quote] [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State, so they can form their perfect society. I doubt that there would any main objections to achieveing this goal by the other regions in Nigeria. The scenario that exist now is synonymous to the phrase "you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Sanusi's Very Interesting Write Up On Sharia In Nigeria. by ShangoThor(m): 3:34pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
[size=20pt]Rebuttal[/size] Those that advocate the superiority of Sharia and are in favour of its implentation and encroachment seek to exploit the paradoxial aspects of Liberalism which forms the basis of the Liberal Democratic State model and consequently the notion and workings of a Secular Constitution. The main paradox stems from the fact that the constitutional principle of a Secular State is non discriminatory and recognizes that individuals have the rights of choice and association (amongst others); however, the Secular State has no remedy to groups of individuals that choose to collectively exercise their rights to insist on adopting new rules that are discriminatory and sometimes to the point of subverting the State that gave them the rights in the first place. The main quality of Sharia that is subvertist and discriminatory to the neutral notion of a Secular Constitution or State is the fact that its followers or subscribers believe that it is derived from a divine source which is non-negotiable and hence superior to any man made law. In other words, the Secular Constitution or State is derived from a man made source; hence, any notion of individuals being viewed as equal but responsible 'actors' irrespective of their sex, creed, race or religion is excluded from their myopic world view. Sharia discrimates between believers and non-believers, Muslims and Infidels and does not promote coexistence. Furthermore, the next logical step to any geographical region that adopts and implements Sharia, is to progress to an Islamic State which is particularly contradictory to a pluralistic society. Of course this is not an argument against the implementation of Sharia, but a recognition that it is best prefered if this can be achieved effectively in their own exclusive political space, a totally contained Nation State. The 'Politics of Identities' exsistent in the Nigerian polity discerns it as a pluralistic society of which it is recognized that a lot of minority groups exist and the laws of a Secular Constitution best serve to protect minority rights which in theory are non discriminatory. [size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and form a new Nation State, so they can form their perfect society. I doubt that there would any main objections to achieveing this goal by the other regions in Nigeria. The scenario that exist now is synonymous to the phrase of "you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size] |
| Politics › Re: Sanusi's Very Interesting Write Up On Sharia In Nigeria. by ShangoThor(m): 3:26pm On Jan 29, 2011 |
[b]The same principle underlies the determination of the role of the state in Islamic Law. The Islamic delimitation of personal liberty is clearly narrower than that of Western Liberal Democracy. Yet it has two advantages: First, it is more clearly defined than Mill’s maxim and second, Muslims believe the line is drawn by a Divine Law-Giver, and not subject to negotiation by Muslim peoples in time and space.There are weaknesses and indequacies (flaws) in Sanusi's potrayal of Sharia with regards to modernity and its ability to deal with scenarios involving a complex set of issues related to high tech or digital (cyber) crime, and this is what presents the main challenge in the country today and is mainly reponsible for the decadence in public life. A scenario where an individual actor (maybe influential in his sphere or not) in a Northern Sharia practicing State , loots the treasury by sending funds straight from the coffers of the State to a personal bank abroad via internet banking. He happens to have committed the crime from within the confines of his home over the internet. So here are my questions: 1. Is financial theft from the coffers of the State perpetrated on the internet recognized as a crime or fellony under Sharia when its committed within the confines of one's home. 2. Would you support and sanction the arrest (by the Secular State and by an Administration led by a non-believer) of any such person considering he lives in a Sharia practicing State and Sharia which is presumed superior to Secular law forbids the State from arbitrarily and forcefully breaking into ones house, considering the crime was perpetrated within the confines of one's home. |
| Politics › Re: Unrest In Egypt: What’s Going On? by ShangoThor(m): 9:33pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Obiagu1:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mens dept:Well said, tribalism trumps reason and logic' [size=14pt]tribalism is for primitive minds, there are no major differences in our DNA.[/size] |
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