₦airaland Forum

It's time for Southerners to unite behind Justice and progress, face and repel evil.

I have been screaming this on NL for months and now I'm back.



[size=14pt]The Northern States that adopted Sharia would be better served to combine forces and
form a new Nation State,"you can't have your cake and eat it too".[/size]

babaowo:
@onyocha you are very right,but many ppl are naive about westerner plan for naija,but Almigthy will deliver naija from this western world god father,eg cia,eea,mi6 etc.

God is not going to save or deliver Nigeria because he did not create Nigeria, the British did!

Hahaha, need I say I told you so. How the bleep can Southern Nigerians be soooooo slow, damnnnnn!!!!

I can't wait for 2015 A.D. when I can kiss goodbye to bad rubbish. I say bleep no to Sharia Law, Islamist subjugation and Northern imperialism.

I have 2 questions

1) How much do you reckon local labourers will be paid to work on these vast agricultural farms? Answer: Peanuts

2) One big word: BIODIESEL (look it up)



I'm sure you are all aware of the racist theory that "Black men are like babies". Damn it's so depressing not to be able to sort our crap out!
Honestly, applying intelligence to knowledge is seriously lacking amongst our species.

KnowAll:
But the US have enough land, they can grow whatever they fancy or are they after the natural resources on those land.  

Cheap labour, think of it as 'Slavery - the sequel'.

It's a simple strategy really, why export slaves and maintain them in foreign lands when it's cheaper to enslave them on their own continent!

So much for freedom of speech and a free press. I believe Fela called it 'Power Show'.

Boy oh boy, Naija is screwed! Nigerians are not free in Nigeria, this sucks big time!

xanadu101:
he's still our brother ooo

Whose brother Pleeeeeease.

Is it a dumb African trait to call a person willing to slaugther you, your family without even blinking your kinsman?

The big question is how many more Northern Nigerians exist that are willing to place their warped religious existentialist ideology
before their allegiance to the Nigerian State and the lives of their compatriots? I think we all know the answer to this question.

Well some say we are making pROGRESS peeps! 2015 A.D., here we come.

Kobojunkie:
Even without direct control over the police force, the state governors are well able to enforce law and order in their jurisdiction by using the Police as is. This was the case back in the late 70's/80s, and it is still the case today. So no, it is not a good a good enough BUT for what has been described in the OP.

Sure, Governors want more control but as is, they can accomplish quite a lot with the force as is. We have seen that happen in places like Kano already.So, no, the governor is still responsible for the situation in the state.

It's pointless arguing on the basis that things in Nigeria are black or white. We have to agree to disagree on this one.
Take care.

Kobojunkie:
I know you folks hate to admit the truth to yourself often but reality is that is part of Fashola job -- to ensure the enforcement of law and order in Lagos. I cannot believe how any person will want to deny that.

He is responsible for the disorder in the state, and entities under his jurisdiction. When murders walk free, it is the government you call on to do something about it, right? So why the denial in this instance?

I acknowledge your point, however, the apparatus of State (the Police) that is meant to ensure the enforcement of law and order within the confines of Lagos State do not fall under Fashola's jurisdiction. They fall under the jurisdiction of the FG.


It is the malfunctioning system that is the problem and undermines accountability, and we as citizens have done nothing about it.

Several Governors have been making noise about this situation, Fashola and Jang amongst others.


It's absolutely pointless critisizing the consequence without completely overhauling the System.

Lovejo, you need to understand that:

a). It's a consequence of the malfunctioning system (nation state and apparatus) which is  producing these warped results and making such criminal acts societal norms. (I mean do you seriously think that the perpetration of such barbarous acts are confined to the boundaries of Lagos?; and neither is it a recent phenomenon)

b). In comparison to the era immediately after Military Rule when there was serious decadence amongst those in Authority, there has actually been a marked improvement (pROGRESS) under Fashola in Lagos. My point is that people sing Fashola's praises because compared to what was hitherto in existence, a lot of things are functioning a lot better. (A lot of people don't appreciate how bleeped and run down the Country was)

c). Most Nigerians do not know or understand their constitutional rights, and majority of the Police force do not understand the Law

I wonder how many bomb detonations will occur in between now and 2015, and which one will literally be the 'final straw that will break the camels back'?

Voice of reason below, great reasoning, the best thing Southerners can do a.t.m. is to 'be prepared' by having a contingency plan.

kpogede77:
why is the yoruba muslim different from the Hausa fulani muslim? well, the middle belt can form a united state of southern Nigeria with us with a special MOU.But for those Christians in the north who cannot stay with their muslim brothers, they can relocate to the south. We just have to move forward, we cannot say be cos of the complex situation we will not move forward as a people.The only thing the Hausa fulani have contributed to this nation is Almajiris who are there to kill our potential scientist. They are capitalizing on the fact that it is difficult to share Nigeria on the ground of this topic but to every problem there is a good solution.By the time we share this country,they will look inward and reorientates their people. If they fail to do so let them turn the north to Afghanistan.We will live in peace with the Yoruba muslim and the northern Christian here.After all there are muslim in US.Islam is a religion at the verge of extinction b cos it is a terrorist religion. I am not under any obligation to remain a Christian, I can decide to change my religion at any time but certainly not to Islam. I would prefer to worship Ogun, shango and Indu than being a muslim.When terrorism is continually associated with a particular religion, then terrorism becomes a pronoun that qualifies that religion.Deep down their mind Islamic scholars knows this is true.My advice to them is to modify the religion or discard it completely b4 it consume even those practicing it.They kill themselves every day in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Compare them to India, you can see that India is making progress while they are combating terrorism.Southerners in the north and northern Christians, prepare to relocate b cos the force that will split Nigeria has reached its maximum point, any little addition now will explode the country.BE WISE. WATCH AND PRAY

aliyud:
OMG! God save Nigeria,

God cannot will not save Nigeria because he did not create Nigeria, the British did, and it wasn't designed to work.


My advise to southerners is to start investing/converting your money or cash (Naira) into gold, Sterling or USD.

I hate to be a dooms day prophet, but this is the beginning of the end. It's beginning to look like the 2015 A.D. prediction is right on course whether we like it or not.

Nigeria as a nation is not working, it's akin to 'flogging a dead horse'.

Everything has a breaking point and as the fault tolerance levels take their toll on the nation-state, I cannot help but wonder how much more can be tolerated till the whole polity is pushed over the edge. Delaying the inevitable will prove to be futile.

I'd like to add 2 crucial points to this thread

a. The system of governance, constitution and rules that were negotiated by the constituent 'ethnic polities' that led to independence is not what we have ended up with. It is important to note that they would have ensured balance, objectivity and fair play in the system.

b. When I was a kid I remember watching the film about Idi Amin, 'Raid on Entebe'.During this period in the 80's the Naira was stronger than the USD $, and I remember discussing the film with some school mates and we argued that it could never happen in Nigeria because we were too sophisticated for any form of authoritarian dictatorship to take root and simply cannibalize the economy. Well I was wrong, very wrong. When SAP was implemented into the Nigerian economy, there were huge winners but the vast majority of Nigerian citizens were condemned to a life of perpetual poverty.


The system has and is producing some warped results and we cannot fix the status quo because there are 'non-compatriots' that will not allow it. The bar has been set so low, and we are content with exceptionally low standards.

I do hold my fathers 'generation' responsible.

Alj Harem, quite typical actually. Just because you can read, write and have internet access doesn't make you an intelligent being. You call mass murder CRAP, you are seriously not worthy of engaging in intellectual discourse at this point. Peace be with you, try finding another small minded NL'er to engage.

Personally speaking, there isn't a problem when it comes to acknowledging and respecting diversity amongst the populace.

However, accepting that a few ethnic groups that perceive themselves as being religiously distinctive, have a recurring right to perpetrate 'murder en masse' due to the alleged existence of a political grievance is akin to burying ones head in the sand.

I say shame on all Nigerians that prop up this fake notion of national consciousness, for we (as we are all responsible) have managed to build a National psyche that tolerates inter-communal intolerance.

A lot of the problems that exist in Nigeria today stem from the fact that we lack OBJECTIVITY as a nation. When a problem occurs people would rather paper over the cracks or sweep the cobwebs under the carpet.

So what are we talking about here, slapping each other over the back and forgetting the catastrophic inhumane fate of all those just killed during the elections, and thanking the lord that no members of our family were slaughtered? Or is it more pertinent to just passively wait for the next set of events that will spark off more mass killings in the country?


The bottomline is that if the country (Nigeria) does not stand for justice, common decency, legality, transparency, protection of individual civil liberties, security and the promotion of prosperity of all the citizenry then bleep the country because there is absolutely no point in flogging a dead horse.

Dede1:
Bringing untold mayhem is not the reasonable manner to show unhappiness about the truncated zoning in PDP which has no relevance to CPC’s manifesto. I think boycott of the entire election would have been better option to register political discontent about the zoning issues in PDP. No intelligent person can proffer that rioters in northern region were the supporters of PDP. The miscreants, through the urging of their political leaders, validated the system by partaking in the electoral process only to turn sore losers.

Granted the power rotation via zoning as entrenched in PDP's party constitution is good for jungle called Nigeria, what stopped the murderers in northern region from massive protest against CPC, ANPP, ACN and LP for the absence of the zoning clause in party constitution?

@ bold, exactly, I seriously lament for Nigeria, and some people don't understand what's holding us back, wow!

2mch:
Go and preach your southern wahala somewhere. We have decided to take our destiny in our own hands. Everyone else is on their own.

All it takes is one Tsunami, and you are all f*u*c*k*e*d.

Grow the f*u*c*k up!

We should also learn some humility in our period of victory, as we are still part of the African interconnected family of ethnicities.

The task is to make all Africans successful and prosperous!

God bless Africa.

GadoGado, you still have not answered my salient points. The principle of rotation according to you suits Nigeria, and you are entitled to your opinion. However, this UNDEMOCRATIC principle is not enshrined in the Constitution, period. Hence you cannot just force it down peoples throats. The only way to do it would be to hold a referendum to let the people decide if that's the way they choose to be governed.

Furthermore you can't justify killing innocent people to enforce your opinion in a democracy. This is the problem, you do not want to adhere to the rules that every other community in Nigeria has to adhere to.


Bang goes your argument!

Nigerian reasoning again, one should be compensated for doing their job

Exactly, it is what it is, if it barks and has a wagging tail, then it's a dog. Call a spade a spade.

@ GadoGado, let’s cut the crap and semantics.

If what I believe is true, then the writing is on the wall, there are indications that most Southerners do not want a Northern led Presidency anymore, period.
Hence we have a CONUNDRUM on our hands, and how do we resolve this issue?

The zoning arrangement is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNLAWFULL and UNDEMOCRATIC. Furthermore, the Zoning agreement infringes on the 'SOVEREIGNTY' of the citizens of the polity that make up Nigeria and was never binding. SOUTHERNERS cannot be made to tow the line. Once again, I ask how do we resolve this conundrum?

Irrespective of all of our opinions, we cannot ignore the fact that Southerners and elements in the North are now being asked to participate in a democratic process ‘under duress’ and subject to coercion by the deployment of widespread mob violence and mass murder.

[size=18pt]The only solution to this conundrum is to opt to mutually demarcate this country amicably![/size]

bump! We urgently need to stop the loss of innocent life in Nigeria.

Let's bring civility and humanity back, Southern Nigerians deserve it.

God bless Africa

DivideUs:
Ok, i think i need to leave this forum because i can see its not a serious place for discussions about a way to move towards a successful breakup (more about hate and greed) Most people here are either dumb or just plain silly, do you really think thats the way nigeria will break or is it all wishful thinking because of abuja? Why do you think there were riots in adamawa, nasarawa and niger? I think most of you just hear about the north and have never been here! I pray the time comes and soon for that matter, we'll see where your so called border states will decide to fall into. Be realistic in this approach and we just might succeed

Thanks for contributing in an extremely meaningful way. I agree with you that it will be interesting to see how border states choose to vote in this matter.

I believe this has to be done and the core Muslim North crave self determination. However, to wait indefinitely and not seeking to formulate or implement a
solution to this if we are serious about being a 'CIVILISED' Nation is not an option.

We do not live during the Biblical era, the internal security threat of Mass Murder perpetrated by Mobs has to be checked.