₦airaland Forum

Obiagu1:
I don't know the terms of that deal but if it states that the deal must continue after Southern independence, then if the South reneges on the deal and the North goes to war, the world will not view the North as belligerent and will get total support of the world.

alj harem:
guy i am african does not mean i will put africa first before my religion

i have never and will never deny my africaness but i will put my religion before any africa crap

do you understand

moreover why do you think i am arab or out arab first because of my religion,.,.,.,., should i call you a jew   because of yor christain faith

Obiagu1:
Hahaha,

Then the North and the South are married forever. For good, bad and ugly times till Jesus comes.
Did I hear someone say amen?

alj harem:
1st point

i never said production has increase,.,. please read my post again,,.,. i said it remained the same because the government has not invested money on the farmers to buy equipments and other things since it is not vaible and makes no sense because of the cost od production to the ratio of the selling price of groundnut and cotton

2nd point

yes i am black first before any other thing,.,.,.  i am not arab which i clearly know and everyone in the north knows that

we have never called ourselves arabian

so what is your point

alj harem:
you see yourself and you call yourself educated

i said we can co-exist

do i have to put my religion aside because of africa

i believe Allah is more important than  any africa,.,. FACT

so why should i put a white man's word (africa) above God

tell me

you and beaf are unbelievable

alj harem:
@1st point

who told you production has diminished the production still remain the same only that the selling price is not cheaper because of countries like brazil and co

@2nd point
you might be right or wrong not too sure but in what context are you using allegiance

alj harem:
first of all how was nigeria developed,.,. was it the north that exported groundnuts and cottin which were the major export at that time before we even found oil at all,.,., exporting metric tonnes of cotton and groundnuts

alj harem:
secondly, the meat, pepper and tomatoes sold on the street of lagos, aba, port harcount, balysea, kwara, kogi, ebonyi, ibadan and so on,.,. who provides them,.,. or is it crude oil that we have been feeding on all this years

bashr4:
exactly the north have a vast land that will be very useful when dooms day arrives  our problem is our leaders not notherners cus most of them are even suffering more the southerners instead should question theiir governors what they have been doin to billions of dollars pumped into theiur account from federal govt, bayels is the least populated state yet gets the highest budget but with nothin to show for while anambra with its high population and low budget is doing very well , pls lets shine our eyes people are moving away from oil lets stop fighting and start planing for 100 of years to come when oile will no longer be needed

The Minster of Information and communications, Mr. Labaran Maku has said it will be difficult for the North to survive without the resources from the Niger Delta. Maku disclosed this on Monday at the Lokoja township stadium while fielding questions from newsmen shortly after the presidential campaign rally.

alj harem:
rubbish i mean how have we been doing it all this years before we joined nigeria  

odili news is an igbo website full of rubbish and nonsense,.,.,., hisses

Ibitoru A:
I was watching a report on the Libya crisis on CNN yesterday and imagine my surprise when the reporter said that the Libyan president, Muammar Gadhafi had Chad, Sudanese and NIGERIAN militants in his employ. So the situation in Nigeria has become so bad that our militancy has become international

alj harem:
you see yourself and you call yourself educated

i said we can co-exist

do i have to put my religion aside because of africa

i believe Allah is more important than any africa,.,. FACT

so why should i put a white man's word (africa) above God

tell me

you and beaf are unbelievable

Beaf:
In other words, religion is more important than the welfare of his fellow man and is considered above the state. A very dangerous and eye opening view; it is easy to see why there will be no Egypt style revolution in the North.

alj harem:
i agree with 1 and 4 but 2, 3 NO

because i am a muslim does not mean i can not co-exist with christians or because you u are christian does not mean you can not co-exist with muslims,.,.,., it all has to do with self control and mutual respect

look at lagos today,.,. christians and muslims are living side by side

go to kwara no conflict

but other places like jos,.,. there is conflict

now the question we have to ask ourselves is how are the lagosians doing it that the same principle can not be applied in nigeria as a whole.

i am a muslim and i am not a radiclist or an extremist i love christians and muslims alike,.,.,. but the same can not be said of christians mostly in SE and SS

you see

alj harem:
brother, i have always wanted nigeria to unite and progress as a nation.,.,., that is why i try to be very objective sometime with the yorubas sometimes with the igbos

but first of all you call for united southern nigeria,.,., what is the meaning of that,.,. do you believe southern nigeria will be better than northern nigeria

secondly, it is people like beaf that are destroying nigeria,.,. beaf and jonathan are connected and he is going to gain something in his term,.,, ,. if you and others do not see that,, ,, ,. it is a shame

thridly, beaf is heartless because he knows that jonathan will steal money because he has spent a year in office with no improvement not even small ,.,. and yet he supports him

i am not a tribalistic person at all,.,. if you know me real life you will see,.,.,. but my igbo brothers and beaf have made me have a different view on Southern nigeria

the article i brought out yesterday is not to tess my igbo brothers but for us to discuss issues until that bas.tard beaf came to make it a tribalistic one and others followed,.,.,.,. you see

alj harem:
mr southern unity can you not read
why can't the north rise against the elite are they handikapped is it not the same thing that is happening in lybia, egypt and co

you keep saying stu.pid things that he knows nothing about

alj harem:
can you shut your mouth for once,.,. ideeiot only a mumu like u can talk like that

lastpage:
The guy Ghadafi asked thrown down the gauntlet:

He asked:
*Did America/E.U or the West impose a no-fly  when they bombed Fallujah?
*Did they impose one when The Chineese decided that their country's Unity was more important, and used TANKS in Tienemen Square, in China?
*What did they do to Russia when it flattened Chechnya to protect its country's Unity?

He said "some scoundrels" who wanted to divide the country are using this protest as an excuse to cause chaos!


Whether you agree with him or not, those questions still demand an answer EXCEPT we are saying:FOR AFRICA< ITS A DIFFERENT RULE!

All said, NO ONE SHOULD RULE A COUNTRY FOR TOO LONG. END OF STORY!


BTW: God forbid, if this revolution did not succeed, there will be NO HIDING PLACE ON EARTH for those defectors O!

tlops:
whatever, the guy (Gadaffi) says he is not quitting, says he has nothing to resign from.

lastpage:
Once again, l am appalled by the level of reasoning of many people on NL!
CAN WE JUST LOOK BEYOND THE SURFACE?
We should not risk coming across as being daft and gullible that we will just swallow ANYTHING, hook, line and sinker!

I apologize if l come across as "rude" (which is generally not my demeanor) but l hope anyone will understand that right now, I AM ANGRY!

WHY?
First: Lets put these whole "REVOLUTION" into context.
1.) It started in Tunisia, got copied in Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, (cooking in Syria, Iran) then Libya.
2.) These are ALL Arabic/Muslim countries and we cant pretend we dont know their traditional/cultural/moral collisions with the West.
3.)Apart from Tunisia which was "spontaneous", all other ones are "instigated, propagated, support and even financed" from outside (The U.S announced 2weeks ago or so, it is increasing the amount of money it sets aside to support "activist" (another word for dissidents, saboteurs and foreign agents used to internally destabilize a country) by $30Million. ASK YOURSELF, HOW AND WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO WITH THESE MONEY?

4.) if there is "DISCONTENT" with a government in the West (just like we have with Obama V.s the Tea Party recently) do the people "violently overthrow" the government? Do other people finance (or have the right to) finance citizens who are against the current government OR do they wait till the next election to VOTE THEM OUT?
Recent Tuition fee increase in the U.K caused a lot of massive demonstration (and we say it all on T.V), did Nigerian or Egyptian or Russian government "comment, incite or encourage" the protesters? (even some of them were arrested and charged to court for criminal offenses). Why is it different when it comes to "Africans or Muslim countries"? Is it one law for them and another for the Western countries?

5.) Does anyone not know that there have been recent issues between U.K/U.S and Libya, especially with the Libyan, Lockerbie Bomber who was freed so U.K can exploit Libya's oil and then turn around to demand he be returned? What do you think this kind of people will do, at the slightest sign of a "crack" in the polity?
6.)On the issue "BLACK MERCENARIES"; Before now, we are aware that "White/fair-skinned North Africans (including Sudanese in central Africa, reason they recently voted to divide the country!) have a very deep dislike for Black/dark skinned citizens of their countries? Are we not aware that they have these "misplaced superiority complex" and think the darker ones are "lesser humans"? Do we not "experience" the same thing even in Nigeria, with our North-South dichotomy? How much more in North Africa? So, who best to blame for "inhumanity" than the same "black people"?

6.) There have been "stories" of massive human rights violation in Libya. We've heard that "Fighter Jets and Helicopter Gunships" have been used to attack the population. Is this a fact, propaganda or fiction?
Anyone who watched the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Iraq during the invasion will easily see the deceit in all these stories.
These "machines" dont kill in twos or threes, they kill in hundreds and to imagine that they are used on a "street with thousands of Protesters", then the death toll will equally be in the thousands! but so far, we have a tally of just over 200+, after about 3days of "bombing"! LKWMD

The Libyan authority has said it only "bombed/destroyed/neutralized" military depots [b]that were ransacked by looters so that the arms and ammunition there-in, would not be put to use against their own security agents.[/b] They did not target civilians or any human! But inorder to garner public sympathy, they chose to manipulate the truth, and we all swallow it too?!

7.) Ask yourself, where is all these "news" coming from? Are these sources credible? How come we did not see any VIDEO FOOTAGE of a Jet fighter "IN THE ACT" of bombing people (even if its from a mobile phone). How come its ONLY DEFECTORS that are telling us these "unsubstantiated stories"?

8.) Again, why did the U.K foreign Secretary "set up rumors" that the Libyan Gadafi has ran away from Libya, to Venezeula? Is it not to give a feeling of "fait accompli", that the revolution has succeeded? But The Man himself came out to tell us, l dey kampe   Even the Venezeulan govt has denied that farce! What was his interest and that of Britain in this matter, that he had to go that far?

9.) Looking at the picture of the "captured mercenary", do they look like YOU AND ME (being black Africans) or is this just another attempt to "colour me bad", since l am black?
Why are they "emphasizing" the "blackness" of that mercenary? Does Ghadafi have a history of likeness for dark-skinned Africans? NO!
How then can it now be the same set of people that are his mercenaries? Do we not know that Ghadafi has all sorts of trained, private security force (some are even Israelis, female, e.t.c , and can anyone recall the retinue of security men/women, that he brought to Nigeria, just a while ago?).

10.) The government has been accused of severing ALL COMMUNICATION LINKS yet "foreign-based commentators" keep telling us of how they called their family members in Libya, from the U.S and elsewhere, using normal phone-lines? Very contradictory and indicative of a massive propaganda!
Why was the U.S and E.U countries "first, more concerned with whether the new government after the revolution in Egypt, will be friendly towards Israel or not"? Does it not show us that its all about "selfish interest" and not "democracy and freedom" as the West claim?


11)Again, can we not see that "opportunist and traitors" are at work in these North African Revolutions? How on earth can you explain Ambassadors who are selected and posted to foreign countries by Ghadafi, to foreign lands, for years, without complain, suddenly turning against him from such foreign posts YET refusing to RESIGN!
Why did they not "speak-out" before now or when Tunisia was boiling?
Why is it now that they sense an opportunity, that Ghadafi's regime is gasping for breath?
Are these the kind of people that will now call themselves "revolutionist" so they can benefit from whats going on?(and they are all just posturing to grab political offices!)
I detest cowards, traitors, opportunist and turn-coats!
How do you explain all these "foreign-based government officials suddenly stabbing their own government in the back?
Just because they now see where the "wind is blowing"?
You cannot criticize a government that you're a part of (at least until the "People" took to the street). You should resign first and then tackle the government. This is what "fair-play and equity" demands

11.) Why did we not hear of "BLACK SECURITY" people in Libya, all these years, where did they suddenly spring from?
Did Ghadafi ferry them from Nigeria all of a sudden or are they Boko Harram

12.) Again, has anyone noticed the "difference in rhetoric" from countries in the E.U and U.S, when they speak about the "protest" in Libya and then in Bahrain! How come the tone is "subtle and reconciliatory" when it concerns Bahrain but very inflammatory, provocative and inciting when it comes to Libya?  (Both are ruled by dictators and sit-tights BUT one contains a U.S Naval strategic base (sixth fleet) and the other has no visible U.S interest!).
In fact, it was Bahrain that sent armed forces to attack protesters, while they were sleeping at the Square, in the night, using live ammunitions but THEY PLAYED IT DOWN IN THE MEDIA, no wonder Ghadafi referred to these media as "Dog Media"!

13.)Again, let us not forget that Libya itself is NOT a homogeneous entity like Egypt. They are just like Nigeria (with a seething undercurrent of civil war between Northern Libya (Tripoli) and Southern Libya (Benghazi areas). Some are taking these "protest" as an opportunity to "divide and secede" from the country. Some of them are very light-skinned while others are of a darker shade BUT THEY ARE ALL LIBYANS!
Some are just trying to 'inject' the ethnic/race/color angle into these protest, so as to gain more momentum.

14.) What happened in Tunisia and even right now in Libya is no different from what happened (is happening now in Belarus), the sit-tight President has rigged elections, killed oppositions and jailed others BUT the E.U or U.S is NOT promoting "chaos/revolution" over there!
They know better, that one is Europe naah!

While l do not favor dictatorship, while l am 100% for freedom, democracy and rule of law, l think there is a "deeper design" than what goes on in the surface. The common man has been used as a "canon-fodder" for too long!
This is the current focus of this rejoinder.

In summary,
*Let us not jump to conclusions.
*Let us "see the big picture" and put hings in perspective.
*Let us not fall for any manipulation by vested interests.
*Let us be 'hasty' to listen but very 'reluctant/slow' to speak/comment!
*Let us be wary of "Western Media" and be able to sift through some of the propaganda they sometime feed us. Remember, you 're only as informed as what you hear or read about!
*Let us be wary of those who promote "chaos" in our country (to resolve legitimate problems) but who themselves will never use such method but will  rather resort to democratic and legal means. At the end of the day, we would have o live and pay for whatever damage we cause to ourselves!
*Let us educate people from the West that "Africa" is a "continent" (not one country), made up of as many as 54 countries and counting. They should stop referring to one

BTW: I am neither Muslim, anti-West or a Libyan
I just choose to  look at issues from a dispassionate point of view.