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mabell:
@ Sirjohn,
Haba, for the fact that a thread left the front page does not mean it is dead
neither am i using yours to brace it up
it's just that ive brought back the thread so you'll be seeing much more of it.
so seat tight

Joagbaje:
@sirjohn
I just got on phone with Kenya28. I believe her story. The only one im not yet clear is this IP thing i was having difficulty understanding her explanantion due to her Kenya accent. I will send her a mail for clarification. She confirms she's not a member of "CE" that's what she calls it.many thanks to you also. Your thread helped her find the truth for herself. This is about the second person that went to healingschool after reading the thread.

Thats exactly what it is, a 'story', anyone can sound believable in a verbal conversation; thats why I refused calling the phone numbers you posted some time ago. The only way and I repeat the only way to verify faith healing claims is by scrutinizing evidence of an existing ailment or condition before during and after the 'healing'.

From my findings, there's always a missing link when you try investigating healing claims, its either the person was misdiagnosed or that the person has been recieving medical attention but never mentioned it or that there was no healing just 'faith talk' to mention but a few.

That is why I decided to put my money where my mouth is; since certain ailments arouse so much dust, lets shift our focus on ailments that wont take so much of our time. Joagbaje, let me have anyone cured of blindness or complete deafness/dumbness, downs syndrome, total paralysis. I will not request for anything other than the persons name and address period! and it ends all this unecessary brouhaha and you get your cheque for N500,000.

Joagbaje:
@sirjohn
is there a
healing anointing
Gift of healing in the body of Christ today?
Does God still heal through men today?

Joagbaje,
This thread is about healing in christ embassy so dont try to rope everybody into it. your question should have been:
is there a healing anointing in christ embassy?
Gift of healing in Christ embassy today?
Does God still heal through men in Christ embassy today?

and my answer would have been an emphatic 'DONT THINK SO'

@mabell,
This thread has stood the test of time, many thanks to folks like you who have made it possible. The more you post your mendacious stories here, the more the thread moves up; I couldnt ask for any better favour.
You tried opening a replica thread which soon died off, now you're using mine as a launching pad, he he he
your efforts here will soon end up like your miserable thread. Go on!!

Joagbaje:
If a man of God commits a crime, He should face the law. Period. But we have the deivl attacking men of God innocently. Just like the apostolic era. Men bearing false witness

Thank you, why then did 'Rev'. Ken elope from SA instead of staying to face the music for charges of bribery which he admitted?

Joagbaje:
Sir John , and Enigma.

Does God still heal through healing ministers Today. Yes or No?

there's no such thing as 'healing ministers', go ahead and prove me wrong

Obatity:
@SirJohn

That does not still change anything:

GOD IS VERY MUCH IN THE BUSINESS OF HEALING HIS PEOPLE THROUGH HIS NUMEROUS ANIONTED AND PASTOR CHRIS IS ONE OF THEM!!!


God Bless you.

God bless you too!

Its obvious you are a new comer, I advice you take time and go through the thread from the begining.
If you belive miracles happen through Chris, how then are you consulting a faceless doctor on nairaland for a medical condition you have? why not go to chris?

Obatity:
Hello Doc. Kathy, well done for all the good works. May God continue to grant you more wisdom. Please doctor, after i delivered my first baby about nine months ago, though during the birth process, i had tears and also episotomy which was properly taken care of after my delivery but for some time now when i and my husband meet, He finds it quiet difficult to penetrate into me. I dont know if its as a result of the tear and episotomy? Doctor what do you think i can do. Thank you.

Joagbaje:
But you know that's not true. Series of them has been posted here. Read mabels thread on healing school .

Ha! mabels thread was a regurgitation of the many well documented lies of christ embassy.

Joagbaje:
But it's so amazing , how it's hard for people to believe in healings and miracles. So what do you believe about Christ then? Are you not supposed to do miracles too. I believe in miracles . I lay hands on sick and many recover. I cast out devil. This are simple things for a Christian that knows his rights in christ.

Yeah I agree; like the case of the boy with a whole in the heart. lol

Joagbaje:
The point has been proven that , pastor chris is doing what Jesus did, even more.

I'd be dumb if I responded to this post

Joagbaje:
Of course you shod not touch Gods anointed as far as he is functioning in his calling and office. But Impersonation is not part of ministeri calling , it's criminal. Not for a minister. He has broken his ministerial vow. The law has to touch him.

Oh really! I see! please tell us Joagbaje, is there any other crime aside impersonation for which 'Gods anointed' can be touched like: perjury, fraud, racketeering, false representation etc?

Joagbaje:
Let me pick on one of these scriptures as example for you.

If you observe the emboldened part. That tells you the sequence. He is not goin about looking for sick people. He goes about to preach and teach. And when people come and gathered he healed them.


Mt 12:15
But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Mt 15:30
And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:

Mt 19:2
And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.
Mt 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them

There were few occasions that Jesus just minister to someone along the way like the dead boy and The manniac. Thats in rare cases. There are times pastor chris has ministered to others in the airport or hotel lobby etc in an unplanned way. as the spirit leads or when God brings about such situation alon the way. There are few occasions I have walked into such opportunities and a miracle took place , even from my school days. But generally. Jesus needs people's faith to heal just like any other healing minister. People to come to him. He wasnt going about looking for sick, he goes about to preach , they gather arround him . he preach and healed them. He wasnt saying " Do you need prayer over here". But those who come have shown their faith

Thats exactly the point Joagbaje, Jesus on some ocassions went out to meet the people just as the people also came to meet him as well. He also healed people based on their faith ad also healed a couple of others who showed no faith. WOF practitioners are of the habit of making a general rule out of isolated cases; thats not how it works. The things of God are not like algebra.

Kenyan 28:
sorry today I dont have much time, and even tomorrow, loads of job & classwork on my table, till Monday.

Take your time sweetheart, prepare a good alibi

toluxa1:
Lol, I was hoping you will respond to my observation on the IP stuff, but suprisenly you didn't. Can you tell us how come you saw the IP address that guy was posting from and knew he's posting from the UK? The only way you can see another member's IP is if you log into that persons account. We're waiting.

aletheia:
Stop sounding like a broken record! Or a robot programmed to only deliver certain lines; drmightie a.k.a. as Kenyan 28, please respond to toluxa's observations. We are mightily interested in how you can know another person's IP address on this forum when you are not logged in as that person. You see how your story begins to unravel under the weight of it's inconsistency & discrepancies.

Kenyan 28:
jesus christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

As usual, she will pretend she didn't read the posts

Joagbaje:
You can heal a man that does not believe. If the sick believe, they will come. Jesus didnt go to hospitals to heal the sick so long as they believe in the doctors but when they exhaust themselves, they come to him.

Lu 8:43
And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,

So bring them out of the hospital to the healing school.

Joagbaje,
did you mean to say "You can't heal a man that does not believe"? cos if that is what you were trying to say, then I strongly disagree. the bible records various instances where people who barely believed were healed.
Secondly, I disagree with your view that Jesus didn't go out to meet the people; He actually did in several occasions.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

John 5:1-9 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

donnie:
@poster
If miracles dont happen in your church, you and your pastor should be questioned. That is abnormal in a CEC.
I cannot count the number of miracles that happen almost daily in the satelite church I attend in Asaba.

Just last Night of Bliss, someone with HIV got healed, with b4 and after medical reports to show. Devils are cast out. Promotions n businesses are prophesied and the happen within short time frames. My pastor prophesied to me personally about getting a promotion it happened shortly after. He prophesied generally about a brand new official car, i got one in 2 wks. We have several living testimonies of growths, ulcers, fibroids dissappearing in an instant in our church.

A young lady who was adopted by an elderly lady of up to 60yrs heard my pastor prophesy about the baren giving birth. As soon as she got home, she layed hands on her foster mother and spoke the words of prophecy given by our pastor (Pasor Tony Obodoagwu). The woman got pregnant and gave birth. The dedication was about 3 wks ago.

In Calabar, the paralysed n bedridden get up and walk before the eyes of all.
In the campuses its the same thing. . . The blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear because Jesus Christ is the same yestrday, today and 4ever. Are you sure you are in a Christ Embassy church?

Rubbish! Go tell that to someone who's not been there before. miracle Ko, miracle Ni!!

donnie:
My dear go and rest,

You have already been exposed, you wicked child of satan.

Na your way! thats the best you can do, you will soon shut up like pepeye

oloriooko:
To all you posters.

This topic has been on for such a long time but another session of the healing school is already on in Lagos.

So shut your trap and find your way there to see if its true or not! Enough of these kiddies play. Go there and see for yourself.

If this man is true, any of you should be able to tell. QED

My $3500 offer is still on but so that we dont enter into any unecessary argument, I have narrowed the cases covered by my offer namely:
the totally blind
totally deaf/dumb
downs syndrome
complete paralysis,
these cases are very easily verifiable without the aid of any medical personel. so I dare challange joagbaje, fyneguy, donnie, hibreality and co to bring up any of these cases as healed after the lagos session. and I will not only release my offer, I will apologize in five national daily's. QED

Joagbaje:
Why dont you try the lines first, if youre honestly seeking truth. I had already explained the boy case why the test result wasnt available. these other people have medical results ask them on phone. IF THEY NEED TO , THEY CAN MAIL IT TO YOU

you're not gonna shove cellphone numbers down my throat, if u had provided the X-Rays as you said, that would have shut me up for good.
Joagbaje, for two years now I've been working on verifying faith healing claims so be sure that I know what I'm doing. what you're trying to do is exactly what Benny Hinn does, you ask him to provide proof for a blind person he claims was healed and the next thing he does is tell you about a lady cured of osteo athritis. I'm not calling the numbers cos its foul play!

@Double N,
there's no compulsion whatsoever in giving, if you honestly don't have to give, that shouldn't bother you.

@Kenyan28, the more you respond the more you expose yourself as a pathetic liar. you keep pretending not to read my posts, its a shame! more so when your allies can clearly see your evasive tactics and still fuel your lies.
Have a nice day!

Joagbaje:
Sir John.

He said he has medical report. I will try get a copy and post but this is their numbers .
Mother :Mrs Ebiye Ogionwo 07031066994
Son Bro Emmanuel Ogionwo 07066982847.
The son got healed of leg ulcer of two years which had defied medical treatment. Call the mother call the son . See the doctor if need be. Jesus heals every day. I still have another HIV case with medical report. I will try contact this lady.

Joagbaje this is not what I requested for, you said a little boy was healed of a hole in the heart and that you can provide X-Rays to comfirm this; I said I'm game and I even offered to give half a million if the X-Rays show the before and after.
Now you're brandishing phone numbers like Kenyan28.
try harder!

nuclearboy:
@SirJohn:

you offered them 500, 000 and Kenyan/drmightie hasn't come to claim? Maybe CE has threatened to take back the "miracle" if she proves she was truly made well

yeah I did for the cases I listed cos you would'nt need a doctor to verify them. leave Kenyan28 I'll catch her someday.

Joagbaje:
Jesus Christ is thesame yesterday , today and forever. Jesus is still healing. You are talking about Oyakhilome. If you see the miracles and healing God is performing through his children, you will leave oyakhilome alone. The healing school is on presently. Some of us have individuals we sent there , I will furnish the story soon

Oh good Joagbaje, I'll be waiting patiently for that; remember I still have the cheque for half a million naira to give to anyone who comes back healed of any of these:

Total blindness
Total deafness/dumbness
Complete paralysis
down's syndrome

To mention but a few; at least we wont have to enter into any unecessary long debate as to the genuiness of their healings. And lest I forget Joagbaje you still owe me one story, you were gonna send me X-Rays of a little boy, remember? I'm still waiting or dont you want any of your members to be $3,000 richer?

Joagbaje, I've once told you that I sometimes admire your approach compared to some other Oyaks adherants on this forum.
I'm amazed you came up with this thread plus you're trying to convince us about the trickery in magic. well, some of us knew this a long time ago. what I find startling though is how you find it difficult to believe that Oyaks healing school employs the same trickery in magic.
How about something more interesting to research on, try doing a research on 'faith healing' you'd be amazed what you find out.
Cheers!

@Kenyan28,
Kindly provide details of the doctor(s) in Kenya or anywhere who managed your case before you went to the healing school?

For the second time Kenyan28 you evade my request, instead you hide behind your allies.

@Kenyan28,
inasmuch as brandishing hospital phone numbers here wont do any good, can you please provide details of the doctor(s) who managed your case before you went to the healing school?
although, like Kunleoshob mentioned earlier, it is difficult getting any info at all calling any of the numbers you provided since they're not the doctors' direct line. even if we were to call, no doctor will disclose a patients info to an anonymous caller who doesnt even know the name of the patient in question.

Kenyan28 is shouting so loud cos she wants to silence the truth echoing in her mind but what she fails to understand is that no matter how loud she shouts, the truth will still stare at her right in the face.
Go ahead shout all you can, TIME WILL TELL

So what did God say

Toppiano:
It is highly crazy for someone to discourage tithe payer even when you are nt paying.
If you have any beef against your pastor, try to settle it or better still start your own church if there would not be tithing or contribution.
Mind what you say, afterall you know the bible well enough to understand it is not biblical to pay tithe, but you dont know it is wrong to say evil against any man of God. Judge nobody is what my bible says I don't know about yours.

Stop paying tithe and shut your trap, let the payers be deceived into paying God that rewards will reward everyone accordingly.
Follow your heart and see where it leads you. When someone deceives/force you into paying tithe, you are only wasting your money and time. Pay happily or keep your coins.

Stop mocking God and His Church

I asked a simple question, if you have an answer to it then give it to me if not, stop blabbing or go some place else to display your ignorance