Joagbaje: I removed it , not because it was wrong, but for the fact that no explanation was given. Ofcourse you are to be blamed for not recieving. Would you rather blame God. God has finished his work concerning us. It is left for us to recieve.
I appreciate your humility, dont spoil it dude
Good, you are gradually going where I want you to be. Have you ever considered that most Christians 'believe amiss' and consequently ask amiss? for example a christian may have been taught by a WOF preacher like you that he can call forth money or that God promised him 'divine health' (a lifetime without any form of sickness or any physical ailment); he believes it with all his heart, but doesn't get it. what will joagbaje tell him? "Oh you have to develop your faith'
1 John 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.
1 5:14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us
Joagbaje: Ok I remove "must". I get your point but my point Is that faith has a voice. Words are associated with faith. The heroes of faith had their own confessions.
Hebrews 11:13 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of[ them], and embraced[ them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Abraham had his confession in his name. Jacob, Joseph David,Solomon etc.
Good boy! I'm sure you never knew how wrong that statement was until today; you probably have taught your members so. I don't completely blame it on you, its a belief generally taught within the WOF circles. Bible faith in the most simple terms is 'trusting God' whether it is demonstrated by our confession, thoughts, wishes, actions/deeds, lifestyle etc. WOF makes faith complicated so they can always blame you for not receiving; for example they say you were not healed because you didn't exercise enough faith. the very fact that faith cannot be measured on a scale makes their doctrine look infallible but we know better.
Joagbaje: Sirjohn, I'm sure there's a point you want to pass across. If you don't agree with me fine, let's learn from you. I would have been able to respond appropriately if I know where you're going . Ofcourse the issue of faith is broad beyond few paragraph. I'm not dodging anything. There is prayer of faith , word of faith or confession of faith and there are deeds/ actions of faith also.
Like I said Joagbaje, no hard feelings, just trying to iron out some inconsistencies in your statement. now your last post clearly show that you admit faith can be demonstrated in various ways; however, in your first post you said: "Your faith must be excercised in words." and that is where I have an issue. I wonder if you'd be humble enough to rephrase your initial statement maybe by removing the word 'must' that way you reduce the inconsistency in your statement. Thank you
Joagbaje: HOW DO YOU USE YOUR FAITH TO GET THINGS DONE
Your mouth is the instrument you use to demonstrate your faith . Your faith must be excercised in words. That what's called the Word of Faith
Joagbaje: HOW DO YOU USE YOUR FAITH TO GET THINGS DONE
Your mouth is the instrument you use to demonstrate your faith . Your faith must be excercised in words. That what's called the Word of Faith
I dont think I completely agree with the statement above; however, I will give you the oppurtunity to explain further with reference to the scipture below which shows how some of the heros of faith demonstrarted their faith. Rememember special emphasis on your statement: "Your mouth is the instrument you use to demonstrate your faith . Your faith must be excercised in words."
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Joagbaje: Sirjohn If you take away the supernatural from christianity ,it will be a dead religion. Thats what you are doing indirectly without knowing. You are killing peoples faith in the power of God.
What you have not come to realize is that miracles or no miracles, the word of God is settled in heaven; the supernatural is beyond healings and miracles, signs and wonders. I am not killing anyone's faith but making them see the reality of Gods word and at the same time flee from charlatans like Chris.
Joagbaje: Supposing there were some irregularities(just supposing) . Must you condemn the power of the word of God.
I see, so speaking against fraud in the name of God=condemning the power of God abi? you ain't serious
Joagbaje: If a man says he got healed ,you should believe it. If you cant believe the testimony of another, why should anybody believe you?
I am not under any obligation to believe just anything in the name of faith; I'm not as gullible as you are dude!
Joagbaje: There you go again, Who's testimony should we believe. Several months after, Mrs cecelia ibru testified on camera how her husband was heled in the healing school. You always know more than everyone else and yet you couldnt follow up on a single claim of healing to proove the lies behind it. except on your computer. You are only fighting to save your thread from disgrace its suffering, you are not fighting to proove truth.
oh come on joagbaje, the last time I checked, that thread brought to the open the inconsistency and lies of Kenyan28 and she slipped away to avoid further embarassment.
hubreality: Vain imaginations. Truly, they say "online forums are like beer palours." Everyone on his or her own opinion. Sirjohn can never be everybody despite his testimonies against the healing school. One out a million!
I will know you're serious when you start traveling to over 100 countries to confirm testimonies of people from various race and tribes who got healed of God even without coming to the healing school. Then we'll all know whether you're telling the truth about the healing school or against the walk of Faith in God irrespective of the channel used.
stop ranting and show me the picture or video of Mr Michael Ibru after his 'healing'. The man cannot talk and cannot even walk a distance of five meters and that was how he left the healing school back to his treatment.
I dare anybody who has proof against this to come foward!!
Joagbaje: There you go again, Who's testimony should we believe. Several months after, Mrs cecelia ibru testified on camera how her husband was heled in the healing school. You always know more than everyone else and yet you couldnt follow up on a single claim of healing to proove the lies behind it. except on your computer. You are only fighting to save your thread from disgrace its suffering, you are not fighting to proove truth.
If Mr Michael Ibru was indeed healed at the healing school he would no doubt have made front page of the healing school magazine. Mr Ibru is still sick. Provide any video or picture showing him after the 'healing'.
Joagbaje: Blind eye at what sir? How come you know so much about healing school more than the officials of healing school. In just your two weeks stay. Why dont you go with spy camera to catch them at this your fbricated lies. After your insincererity with me , I dont trust anything you say again. I only feel for the innocent people on NL you try to lure into this you bitterenes. All ecause you took somebody to the healing school and you didnt get to see pastor chris.So you must destroy them.
If any one walked before ministration, it is not out of place. Many people start recieving healings before pastor Chris's prayer. I have sent people to healing school before and some called me to testify they were healed before pastor even prayed for them. A partiular case of blindness, She said one of the session of video watching she saw the screen before her and her eyes began to open gradually. Se began to see clearly after pastor chris ministered to her . She even gave her handset there as a seed of thanksgiving.
I'm starting to wonder if you have problems comprehending the english language; are you sure you read the post you quoted? I doubt if you did so I'm calling it up again.
and for your information dude, it was four weeks not two
SirJohn: The issue is not about where wheelchairs came from but the impression the healing school is trying to create. Most of these folks you see sitting on wheelchairs came to the healing school with their two legs unaided. I've been there so I'll tell you how its done: the healing school staff are specially trained for stuffs like this; for instance if someone came to the healing school with say a heart condition, even if it hasn't gone so bad, during the first interview, they would ask him if he sometimes experiences weakness or dizziness if he says yes then they put him on a stretcher to do the initial recording, after the recording, the person may stay the whole two weeks walking around like every other person until the day of healing, the person is put back on the stretcher and presented to chris. I don't know what you call that but to me it has fraud written all over it
Joagbaje: Blind eye at what sir?
Blind eye to my question sir:
SirJohn: Now joagbaje, what do you mean when you say[b] 'couldn't walk'[/b]? are you saying the condition crippled the boy or that he has difficulty walking or that he has general body weakness? you see you can fool your members or fellow CE brethren with such statements but not me. "the Dr had said it must have been a hole in the heart" are you saying the boy was misdiagnosed? or are you owning up that you didn't even know what his problem was in the first place. Your story alone is inconsistent, how then do you want me to waste my time following up such inconsistency.
You cured a lady of HIV huh? kindly scan and post her before and after medical reports if you don't mind
Joagbaje: Was Mr Ibru not healed there?
Ha ha, I've made several comments about Mr Ibru on NL, I was there with him for two weeks and I was there live the night Chris ministered to him, to the disappointment of everyone, Mr Ibru left in the same condition he came. he was flown abroad to continue the treatment he left before coming to see chris. The man is still a sick man, there is no cure yet for parkinsons disease.
SirJohn: Now joagbaje, what do you mean when you say[b] 'couldn't walk'[/b]? are you saying the condition crippled the boy or that he has difficulty walking or that he has general body weakness? you see you can fool your members or fellow CE brethren with such statements but not me. "the Dr had said it must have been a hole in the heart" are you saying the boy was misdiagnosed? or are you owning up that you didn't even know what his problem was in the first place. Your story alone is inconsistent, how then do you want me to waste my time following up such inconsistency.
You cured a lady of HIV huh? kindly scan and post her before and after medical reports if you don't mind
Joagbaje: Does it matter where the wheelchair comes from. All that count is decent Packaging . It is an internationally viewed programme. We may do "na we na we" among ourselves but something that will reached more developed community must be decently packaged. How funny will it be if pastor chris is praying for someone on the back of another person. And another thing is , someone that was brought in on the back will have difficult mobility moving arround . So if anybody is given wheelchair, you should apprciate the good gesture and not chriticise it
The issue is not about where wheelchairs came from but the impression the healing school is trying to create. Most of these folks you see sitting on wheelchairs came to the healing school with their two legs unaided. I've been there so I'll tell you how its done: the healing school staff are specially trained for stuffs like this; for instance if someone came to the healing school with say a heart condition, even if it hasn't gone so bad, during the first interview, they would ask him if he sometimes experiences weakness or dizziness if he says yes then they put him on a stretcher to do the initial recording, after the recording, the person may stay the whole two weeks walking around like every other person until the day of healing, the person is put back on the stretcher and presented to chris. I don't know what you call that but to me it has fraud written all over it
Joagbaje: Well concerning pastor chris phd . I'm not in the right place to disclose such personal information.
Chei! whats personal about his Phd? isnt it a shame you know so little about a man u would stick out your neck to defend? in fact, that's an assignment for you
Joagbaje: What nonsense ! Did anybody deny that fact that healing school would offer stretcher or wheelchair for certain people? If a man came without a wheelchair, like some that were proped up or carried on the back. It is a matter of decency to give them one of the wheelchairs others left behind . It can be used over and over by others. Would you prefer some people rolling arround on the ground. Some of the stretchers people lay for prayers were also from healing school. Those are not issues. Did anybody deny that? We have hundreds of soveniers as a blow to the devil. Ranging from walking stick, clutches and wheel chairs.
J-o-a-g-b-a-j-e!!!, you only prove more and more that you know nothing about what goes on in that dubious school of chris. For your information, joagbaje, there are no such souvenirs as you wrongly believe, I used to think so as well until I went there myself. I initially wondered why the camera crew borrowed wheelchairs from some of the attendants(students) to do certain recordings until I found out they had none even though the healing school proprietor had announced that they had so many wheelchairs left behind by their previous occupants; These I found out later to be blatant lies. The healing school in SA however has few wheelchairs and they are all clearly marked with a sticker by the side which reads 'healing school' these wheelchairs are all black and is the one used in Richards recording as well as many others if you bothered to check the healing school website.
Let me give you a more realistic example of the CEC scam from the healing school website: Below is a picture of Richard who is claimed to be unable to walk and confined to a wheelchair. A careful look at this phony testimony show that: - Mr Richard is sitting in the healing school wheelchair and not his - The medical report attached is completely illegible and blurry so only the healing school knows the condition of this fellow
I carefully studied every other testimony and observed the same thing for almost all of them namely: - the same wheelchair was used for almost all the wheelchair cases - Most medical reports are illegible or blurry, some had hospital addresses or phone numbers shielded - Some reports had a different ailment from what the healing school claimed the people were healed of - some reports were nothing more than scribbles on an empty piece of paper.
@Joagbaje, I'm a very busy man but I dont mind traveling even out of the country for a very interesting case. I don't need to be told that the cases you want me to follow up are all phony for example you said:
Joagbaje: I told you of a case of a boy that couldn't walk and the Dr had said it must have been a hole in the heart. After prayer he walked and Hes still walking . I thought you will travel and see them . Interview the entire family to catch me in my lies. You demanded for xtray. Which I explained why I didn't do it. But if you want medical proof, I provided 2 more testimonies out of the many I had ministered to. A lady that got healed of HIV and after prayer, she tested negative. She has the medical report of all the tests.
Now joagbaje, what do you mean when you say[b] 'couldn't walk'[/b]? are you saying the condition crippled the boy or that he has difficulty walking or that he has general body weakness? you see you can fool your members or fellow CE brethren with such statements but not me. "the Dr had said it must have been a hole in the heart" are you saying the boy was misdiagnosed? or are you owning up that you didn't even know what his problem was in the first place. Your story alone is inconsistent, how then do you want me to waste my time following up such inconsistency.
You cured a lady of HIV huh? kindly scan and post her before and after medical reports if you don't mind
Sirjohn I'm begining to doubt your sincerity,credibility and motive. Initially I thought you were just distracted by your so called experience in the Healing school. And I promised God I will help you recover from that error. And help you restor your faith by proving to you that the miraculous happen every day through us. And also help u answer some questions.
This is so far the most comical statement I've ever heard from you Joagbaje. If you are looking for any body to restore from error, try starting from yourself, your members and then your demi-god Chris.
Joagbaje: I told you I have personal testimonies of people I have prayed for and they got healed what I've learnt from the teachings of pastor chris. You said if I could provide one case of verified healing , you will do this and that and you may even travel down to see them. I was glad , I told you of a case of a boy that couldn't walk and the Dr had said it must have been a hole in the heart. After prayer he walked and Hes still walking . I thought you will travel and see them . Interview the entire family to catch me in my lies. You demanded for xtray. Which I explained why I didn't do it. But if you want medical proof, I provided 2 more testimonies out of the many I had ministered to. A lady that got healed of HIV and after prayer, she tested negative. She has the medical report of all the tests.
Another guy had leg ulcer which Doctors defied medical treatment for 2 yeArs . After I prayed for him he got healed. For your sake I got his number and his mum. And put it on the Internet . What did you come up with. You made jest of it. And change your demand that you want a testimony of someone lame from birth, blind from birth etc. You simply proved to me you are not out to verify anything .
There you go again, you were the one who promised you could get X-Rays to prove your claim, I said oh fine till I see it. days went by and I didnt hear from you before I went ahead and asked you the question on NL; it was then you came up with the flimsy excuse and then started brandishing phone numbers like kenyan28. now let me give you a little lecture just incase you are not aware: in verifying faith healing claims, it is only appropriate to start from documented medical evidence of a before and after before we can talk of phone numbers and physical interviews. I dont need to travel to see such documents, they can be scanned and posted so that all can see and scrutinize.
Joagbaje: You are just being used to destroy the faith of people in Gods word. So these questions you are asking is of no significance. Why didn't you catch me at my lies in the previous ones I supplied,
So long as you cannot produce documented medical evidence of your healing claims, you LIE! you are simply looking for an escape route like kenyan28 who has vanished into the thin air after not being able to explain her falsehood.
Tell us the conditions of the folks you sponsored to the healing school
Joagbaje: @Sirjohn, appreciate your response to kenya28 that you believe in christ still as lord. I will still appreciate your honest answer to my question
1.Is there a healing anointing through Christians or ministers today 2.Is there a Gift of healing in the body of Christ today? 3.Does God still heal through men of God today? .
Joagbaje, I have answered this question on the 'How Come Other Pastor In Christ Embassy Dont Work Mirracles Except Chris' thread, you can check it out.
Kenyan28, below is the origin of the question from hubreality. I had asked you a question, putting your post side by side with mine clearly showing the similarity in our account; I demanded that you tell me which part of my story was false and in your usual reaction, you ignored the question. Hubreality came to bail you out and asked me the question, I did not answer at that time because I knew it was a plot to keep you from answering my question and infact they succeeded. I replied hubreality by saying that he knows me too well not to ask me such a question (we had before that time spoken severally on phone). I am not a coward like you and most of your allies, I do not run away from questions and since you are so interested:
YES I believe Jesus is Lord
I said on several occasions that this thread does not in any way question Gods ability but the charlatanism of Chris Oyakhilome. So now can you please answer the trail of questions you have been avoiding?
SirJohn: @Kenyan 28, Heres part 2 of my original post (just in case you didnt read it) then tell me what I have said here that is a lie. remember I asked you some questions earlier and you answered them. Is my story any different from your answer? where you not made to fill out and sign an indemnty agreement? where you not divided in groups and each group had names like citadel, royalty, kings class, etc, did each group not have a pastor overseeing them? did you not mention that pastor Austin was your group pastor? did I not mention his name in my post? If this much of what I narrated is true, then where is the lie? Kindly let me know what part of my post you are uncomfortable with. pls note the bolded statements and compare with your answers.
Kenyan 28: No, we were never spit into 2 or more groups towards the end. Rather we were divided into many groups on our 2nd day simply coz we were many to keep monitoring easy. Remember its a school and we had class attendance registers marked in the morning and at 2pm after lunch. These groups made us close and got to know each other. My Pastor was Austin from Nigeria plus a volunteer South African from Cape Town. Testimonies were the order of the day.
SirJohn: [center]THE TRUTH ABOUT CHRIST EMBASSY HEALING SCHOOL contd.[/center] After the process of registration has been completed by every student few days into the session, they are split into several groups (usually depending on their cases). So you find one group with cases such as: HIV, infertility, barrenness etc and another group with cases such as cancer, diabetes, brain tumor and so on.
***The registration process includes signing an indemnity agreement. The agreement stated that the ‘healing school shall be indemnified of any form of fatality or injury of any sort that may arise in an attempt to exercise your faith’ (paraphrased). The students were made to sign another portion which stated that they were there solely on the basis of their own personal belief (to me that was another way of saying OYO). Signing of these agreements was compulsory for every student. ***
Classes are held on a general level each day. This is usually several hours of faith stirring teachings, video clips of Pastor Chris’ miracle crusades and testimonies from previous healing school sessions. There is usually a break period after which the students return for more ‘lectures’ After the general class, the students would then separate into their respective groups for a group session. Each group had a pastor or healing school staff overseeing it. I believe the segmentation into groups is to help monitor each student closely. After the group session, some groups were to wait behind for special prayers in a place they call ‘Prayer room’. The groups with less severe cases didn’t have to wait for the prayer room session. The prayer room as I later learnt was the point where the whole selection of wheelchair cases for the healing line was done.
In the session I witnessed, there were two prayer rooms. Evang. (Dr) Eddy Owase and Rev. Ray Okocha (both are CEC members) were each in either of the rooms respectively and they were each assisted by a healing school personnel. Each student took their turn to see the ‘men of god God’. During the consultations (special ref to wheelchair cases), they were asked certain questions about their condition after which they were prayed for. The ‘man of god God’ then instructs the student to try getting off the wheelchair, at this point, the staff assisting the MOG then begins to film the student (using a camcorder) as he makes the attempt.
***I was reliably informed by a senior healing school staff that anyone who couldn’t stand or walk in the prayer room wouldn’t make it to the healing line. He went on to say that Pastor Chris saw every single recording from the prayer room and only those who are well able to stand and walk was eligible for the healing line. As a matter of fact, when Pastor Chris stands before any of these folks during ministration, he knows exactly what they can or cannot do because he has already seen a video recording of that. Hmm!!!***
The first session of the Healing School had about 500 students in attendance; more than half of this number did not make it to the healing line. No reason or explanation was given except that it was ‘in their best interest to repeat another session’ i.e. another two weeks. This development left several of the students confused, many of whom had spent the last two weeks paying hotel & taxi bills.
The first healing service of the session was held on Sunday May 18 by 3pm. Those who did not make it to the healing line were asked to come by 12noon, on arrival, they were prevented from entering into the main hall, instead they were asked to remain outside under the baking heat of the sun. Security marshals had their instruction not to allow any of them into the hall. It was indeed a very sad sight as I looked around and saw the cases they had left outside: the crippled, blind, deaf and dumb, paralyzed, children with down’s syndrome and so on, all littered everywhere; tears rolled from my eyes as I watched. Later on, we noticed that some students were already in the hall, in fact they had been asked to come as early as 8am. ***the eligible ones came as early as 8 am, they had a special closed door session in which they were ‘prepared’ adequately to meet with the ‘Man of god God’ the preparation was nothing more than putting them in a hypnotic suggestible state. They were taught how to react when the ‘Man of god God’ ministered to them. They repeatedly told them to start jumping and leaping for joy as soon as they were touched or breathed upon by Pastor Chris, that explains why you see such in their videos***
some of the students left the healing school at this point threatening to expose the whole scam. I tried calming down a few of them saying it was probably too early to pass judgment, some agreed. It was now 3pm and the invited partners and pastors had started arriving. We’d been kept outside for three hours now for no reason at all. If not for the rain that made us force our way in, God knows for how long we would have been kept outside. Inside the hall seats were already reserved for the partners and pastors and special seats were also reserved for the ‘eligible’ students. No sitting plan was made for the other students, it was only later they created a place at the rear end of the hall for us to sit.
Later on the service began and the eligible students were brought in straight from the special hall where they have had a closed session to the special seats reserved for them. Later after that, the wheelchair and stretcher cases were brought in. This was the funny part because out of over 100 wheelchair cases in the first session, only about five made it to the healing line and out of that five, only two came to the healing school with their own wheelchair and they could both stand and walk on their own (I saw them do so). The rest three were as surprised as I was because they were occupying a wheelchair which didn’t belong to them. The ones that lay on stretchers also didn’t have any reason on God’s green earth to be on them. You’ll know the rest of the story if you read the first part of this post.
The second session went much the same way as the first although with a slightly funnier twist. More than half of the students who were asked to repeat didn’t come back to the healing school, each with bitter memories of what they had experienced. The few of us who still hung on to the illusive lifeline given to us decided to continue. We were joined by another 500 students, most of whom would later share the same ordeal. Everyday witnessed the same rituals as in the first session until the last day. Selection was done as usual and we were yet again denied the healing line, this time around, we were joined by over half the number who came for the second session (an enormous crowd you’d say). The second session had its own healing service with the same theatrical display from Pastor Chris which earned him loud applause from his pastors and partners who were completely oblivious of the deceit.
Having had so many crowds of desperate impotent and disabled folks in their hands all unattended to, the Healing school got smart and decided to play a fast one on us. They announced that there would be another healing service the next day for the rest of us to be ministered to. “Wow!! Finally, Pastor Chris was to live up to his reputation as a faith healer and shut his critics up for life” or so I thought; but oh how wrong I was. The next day came and as you would expect, we all came as instructed and waited patiently for Pastor Chris. My suspicion again started as I noticed that nobody came to address the crowd, we were all left in a warehouse like hall from morning till evening. When finally we were asked to come in, I noticed that the stage lights used the previous day had been removed; there were only two or three camera men, no protocol staff etc. I immediately smelled a rat, a big rotten rat. No much ceremony was observed; they obviously didn’t want to waste our time and theirs so Evang. Dr Eddy Owase came up and asked us to watch two videos: one in which Pastor Chris had sent a handkerchief to the healing school in his absence, the second was where he instructed an Asian pastor to minister to a woman in wheelchair. After we were done watching, Rev. Tom Amenkhienan, Pastor Chris’ maternal cousin walks in and started to minister to the crowd of impotent, lame, blind, deaf and dumb, paralyzed folks. He had come in to take the heat for his master; I admire his loyalty, except that he came to stand in for a coward and a charlatan who couldn’t face reality himself. He enjoys fame and glory and the adoration of his passionate members from cheap miracle scam. No wonder he chooses to stay silent most times because he has no defence at all.
For those who think I made up my story, I have two tasks for you (1) go ask Pastor Dave, Pastor Rhoda, Pastor Austin, Pastor Shola, Sis Charlotte (German), Sis Lauren, (all are Healing School staff and major conspirators of the scam that goes on there) and some others whose names I do not have at the time of this post. Let them say that I have lied or let them say that I do not understand the ‘ways of the spirit’. (2) Anyone can visit the healing school and confirm these things for themselves. I understand that there is tight security at the Healing School, but nobody will turn you back if you came with a medical report and claimed you came for the school. stay there fore a session and let me know if your experience would be any different from mine.
Also view the youtube video in this link, a minister W V Grant uses the same technique as that in the healing school. You'll also find another minister exposed for similar miracle fraud. BE WISE!!!
Kenyan 28: I knew very well from the word GO @Sir John was an ANTI-CHRIST!!!! One who doesnt believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God, a question he has declined to answer for a number of times.
please call up any post where I was asked that question you pathetic LIAR!
Joagbaje, I will ignore your attempt to derail this thread which has its spotlight on CE by trying to shift the spotlight on me.
I believe God still heals today by whichever means he chooses to.
But I am of the opinion that we may never be able to see some of the bible time miracles in our day for very obvious reasons: there is a very large knowledge gap between the old times and now, medical science has greatly improved since then and so has engineering, arts, politics etc. I believe these are all workings of God.
No matter how you choose to look at it, we do not see bible time miracles happening in our days; I already put up a challenge to you joagbaje, if indeed you believe the blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear, all I need is a name and address nothing more.
The Apostles of old had a huge task to fulfill in establishing the church of Christ, they needed what it takes to convince the world that Jesus was the Christ, God endued them with what they needed: the power to work signs and wonders. The foundation has been laid and the church has since been birthed and like Christ said: "the gates of hades shall not prevail against it" in other words, the church will not die, no matter what.
You come here, flail about screaming that you guys are "gods" that produce miracles left, right and center! People ask you to prove it and you push that unto me because I said Yes, God does miracles! As I said, interesting!
How many threads or posts did you see me screaming I healed cancer, HIV II, deafness, blindness etc. How many times have I claimed "glory" for such? When I do so, make your request! I made a statement of faith knowing that people pray and get results - atheists agree with that though they intepret such as "the power of the mind" or suchlike. That, I do not need to prove; seeing as its like saying the Sun will rise tomorrow.
This is your problem and your delusion - DEFEND yourself and stop turning the heat away!
Christianity Etc › Re: Faith? What Is It 2 u: by SirJohn(m): 5:09pm On Jul 20, 2010
Interesting request!
