₦airaland Forum

philus66:
My question is, they should ask the young man in question if he was willing to sell his organ? Before accusing this people of trafficking.

A15 yr old boy cant give such consent, he's a minor in the face of the law. Nigerians should familiarise themselves with international rules on human traficking b4 they embarass their families on global television and the internet.

subsidywise18:
It is the offsetting of the balance that is problematic....it always is never covered sufficently by the subsidy, especially when costs rise. And when cost of production rises, so does the subsidy, so does the amount government spends on it, and so does the budget deficit, and so does the losses, and so does the loans we have to take.

That is why it makes perfect sense to remove subsides so that when the cost of producing that liter of petrol or that kwh of power rises, the company can raise its prices, and pay for the cost of production without worries. Unike our subsidy regimen, where when cost of production rises, government has to take money from other mouths to feed the subsidy mouth, and most of the time, it can't keep up with rising cost of production

(Last year we spent less than 2 trillion subsidising fuel...this year it is 5 trillion and rising. The rise is due to the rise in cost of crude oil..which impacts production costs of fuel.)

Rising costs eat more into our budget...and that means government has to take loans, or we go without essential serivices , because we have to pay for subsides. Meanwhile...there is no profit to build new power stations, expand transmission, maintain exisiting stuff, and so on. That is why we don't have any working government refineries...and that is why if we want private refineries to work here, we better let them sell at a profit...not at subsidised prices...because it would be economic suicide.

That is why subsidy is evil.

I repeat my original comment...read with understanding. It addresses what you just wrote there.

The issues facing the Nigerian power sector remains multi-faceted but in our view, top on the list is the non-cost reflective tariff. While we acknowledge that the current macroeconomic landscape may not be best suited for another hike in electricity tariffs, we note that the continued adoption of non-cost-reflective tariffs will exacerbate the anemic position of Discos, prevent the overhaul of poor transmission infrastructure, hinder private sector investments and constrain the development of the power sector. With government revenue under significant pressure, we believe government liquidity injections may prove to be insufficient in sustaining the power sector

Nairametrics article : The Nigerian power sector, still in muddy waters.

You see the problem.

If we want to pay for the subsidy we have to make more money. That comes from more taxation. Nigeria's tax to gdp is 8.1%..compared to China's tax to gdp of 22.1%

Read also this article. Solving the liquidity crunch in the Nigerian power sector. Don't quote me without googling for it and reading it. I insist. If you don't want to read it....then I can't argue with that.






Good morning.

Govt is social service not profit making venture. That's why we need competent people at the helm of governance. They know how to balance the book.

The solution to Nigerian electricity problem is complete decentration of the whole system- generation, transmission, and distribution. The burden on national grid is not sustainable and will eventually collapse. No matter the tarrif or fund pumped into it.
The Nigerian exclusive list is a joke. It's the main hindrance to Nigerian economic prosperity.
I repeat, No Nigerian can afford the real cost of electricity. It's laughable to think tarrif hike will solve electricity problem.

subsidywise18:
That is what you are arguing.

Anyway, can't argue with.that.

You don't want companies to set their proces, you want government to do it for them, and make them.sell at a lossbecause poverty?

Anyway, enjoy your 40 naira fuel. Good morning.

You don't know the meaning of subsidy. No wonder u are against it.
No company or business man sell at a loss under subsidy regime.
Govt set prices for the people not for the businessman. The company determine the price of it's product and sells at that price. The govt offset the balance to ensure people buy at govt set price- that's subsidy.
So where is the businessman selling at a loss?
Bye.

themanderon:
In the world indeed. The arrogance of these Caucasians sickens. How did they arrive at such a conclusion? Did they test all the women in the entire planet?

It's their world. We living the world they created. That's why they will continue to make the rules.

We have to make out own world that others will follow before deciding who is the most beautiful woman in the world.

subsidywise18:
So in other words yoy want to sell at a loss as a businessman because you have to help the poor.

Subsides don't work.

Venezuela has subsidised fuel for decades. Their refineries are in a mess and they lose billions to smuggling of fuel.

Same as Nigeria.

Anyways, you want 40 naira fuel. You want cheap things without considering how much it costa to make them.

I can't argue with that

Enjoy your 40 naira fuel and 10 naira per kwh electricity. Its why you voted for apc.

Good morning. I have tried. I can't argue anymore.

Stop creating false argument here. Where did I say a business man should sell to poor at a loss.
Do u even understand the meaning subsidy at all. Who told u any fuel importer sells at a loss.
All your argument on subsidy is weak and lame.

subsidywise18:
Should you sell things at a loss to help the poor?

That is the question.

Selling at a loss and paying a subsidy that does not cover the loss is why we don't have good things.

But since you support selling at a loss, okay

China has abandoned that model by the way.

Good morning. Enjoy your 40 naira petrol.

Read about china. The govt have the largest subsidised state own enterprises in the world. from energy to manufacturing to transportation. They control the price of everything. university education is death cheap- their citizens dont incur student loan debt.

subsidy is not why Nigeria is poor and u know that...we had this discussion b4. check your old monikers.
Nigeria's problem is incompetence at the highest level, poor governance and inefficient economic model.

You believe in subsidy removal and I beleive in decentralisation of governance- something even strong unitarian like Buhari has welcomed.
I wish we can put our faith into action.
Let a region of the country has subsidy removal while another region be allowed autonomy and implement what's in that exclusive list. Let's see which region enjoys a faster economic growth and indices.
I can assure you your region will become the new capital of poverty within 2 yrs. I doubt the leaders will complete their tenures...
who will buy fuel for 1500/litre or pay elctricity bill for 50,000 per month.

To your own question.
Yes govt has the responsibility to subsidise cost of living to help the average citizens. Its the sensible thing to do, that 's why western nations are doing it now or else they will soon have to deal with riots accross their major cities.
Nobody is telling private companies to sell at a loss, what we saying is govt needs to subsidise if necessary. They are 2 different things.
U are the only person I know that see govt as a private entity. It's not, govt is a social service institution.

subsidywise18:
Should government set your prices? So that you sell at a loss to help the poor?

You didn't answer his question.
You are known supporter of subsidy removal on this forum and u cite western countries economic policy on subsidy to validate your claim.
But same western nations are implementing subsidy right left and centre to cushion the effect of rising inflation.
That's what buhari explained that what looks good on paper may be disastrous in reality.
Most western leaders may lose their seats in the next elections if they don't control the rising cost of living. In uk, families will spend 357 pounds more on food aloene this year.

Telling Nigerians to buy fuel at 600 naira/litre with the crazy global inflation is not only wicked but evil. There will be no more poor nigerians because hunger will wipe them out.
That act alone will make naira drop to 1000 to a dollar. U can imagine the consequence.


Telling all nigerians to pay for the real cost of education is simply asking for the level of illiteracy and ignorance to abound. Nigerian youths will simply quit school because they can't afford it.

Telling nigerians to pay for the real cost of electricity is laughable because they can't. Energy is a national strategic investment by govt to boost industrial capacity. It's never a profit making venture. That's what u don't understand.

Fiat subsidy removal is simply a theoretical anti development policy that has never worked in any country. It can never bring prosperity or economic development.

No wonder China never implemented it. Look at china, they have used heavy subsidy to control global economy. No country can match them with competitiveness and pricing cost. They will run uthe out of street, they even sell at a loss to capture the market.

Her Achilles heels remains her starting, she can't just get off the track on the time without having a false start.
She really need to work on that to be a super contender.

Islandlady:
I will surely go through every comments on here today and take the ones that is best!

I appreciate y'all for your contributions & supports, even those that insulted me I forgive you!!!

Are u sure u not tripping for this your married male friend? because I dont trust naija single girls.
I will advise u to focus on how to find husband or nuture your relationship if u have one.
Follow this advice below and nobody will bother pouring acid on u.

I used to be an advocate of gender equality when it comes to body count.
But with the way our black women are becoming sluts, coupled with irresponsible dressing and ratchet attitude on social media....I think its high time we apply the leash on them b4 they become a disgrace to themselves.

If body shaming black women will make them behave more decent and less promiscous, then I support it.

I watch this naija blind date show on you tube. In one of the episode, they brought this girl that shamelessly exposed her fallen Olympus on social media, she was even boasting she's a street girl and will like to remain street for the time being.
The shocking thing is this girl thinks she's the most beautiful creature God made and very cocky about it, and most comments seem to agree with her.
Very pathetic I must say.

Its a white man's war, don't get the rest of us involved.
We offer our sympathy from afar.

Food is ready for the it's to be white crew and other white supremacist.
Las las make everybody date within their race.

robinso01:
I hope the gutter no spoil?

I hope u not planning to make heaven.
Your kain remarks fit cause kasala for the place..

9jaRealist:
First, it’s an ACADEMIC degree…
She’s not passing out of prison before the parole board.

Nonetheless, refusing a hand shake is NOT a flaw in character…
On the contrary, sticking to one’s beliefs is a character strength.

The goal of education is NOT to breed sheep and a herd mentality…
On the contrary, real education encourages INDEPENDENT thought.

Unfortunately, much of Nigerian culture is SHEEP mentality…
That’s one of the reasons religion and churches thrive in Nigeria!
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That's a very bad attitude. Even if it's condoned in so called sane countries, I will never support such in Nigeria. That's freedom of whatever taken too far.

And for your info, attitude is a very big deal in western nations. Bad attitude at work place can ruin your career.
African American women are despised by white men because of their so called ratchet attitude.

I know a nursing student here in uk who told her teacher his mouth is smelling. My girlfriend met her in the school and left her behind.
The girl is white British n the teacher is African Ghanian.

1Sharon:
Why make slavery seem one-sided?

The slave trade was a joint effort between Europeans and Africans. Europeans bought slaves and Africans sold slaves and benefitted from the slave trade.

The people who were sold as slaves were already enslaved as prisoners of war on the continent.

Europeans didn't introduce slavery to Africa.

Europeans didn't introduce slavery into Africa but they made it a thriving trade and lucrative business.

Prior to entrants of whites, slaves were mainly victims of war conquest. They were sold by the winners and were expected to start a new life in servitude. If they are lucky, they may regain their freedom and move on with their lives. Nobody wakes up in the morning looking for people to enslave.

But the unending demand for slaves by Europeans turned slavery into something else.
Villages were raided and plundered solely for slavery. It had nothing to do with war or conflict but everything to do with slave raiders hunting for people to enslave and shipped to the coast.
Lots of villages became deslolates as a result. Hunters need not go far into the bush for game anymore since whole cities had been turned into forests as a result of the massive wave of villages desolation and enslavement it's people.
It was terrible and there's no way the white man can be exonerated from the evil plunder.

What broader consultation at 11th hour. Abegi.
Buhari thinks he's talking to small pikin.
This convention may actually be the funeral announcement of APC.

Ojuntana:
cc: SirTee15
This is the person you were relying on to prove Tinubu singlehandedly installed buhari

Is that the only link I gave u. I gave u 4 links, how does one cancel the rest.
Besides, shettima another northern politician has spoken. Go look for it on the front page.
Tinubu is ego tripping and deserves whatever dirt thrown at him including those who will be changing mouth like Bachir.
I have no sympathy for Tinubu. He brought us the disaster in as rock because of his greed and selfishness. He's yet to apologise but expects Nigerian to reward him with the presidency.

Ojuntana:
Babachir Lawal. Where was he in 2015? He wasn't part of the campaign council from what I know. Anyway, I have not said Tinubu did not bring in Axelrod's company. What I said is there are no facts in the public domain to back that up and Babachir making that claim to prove Tinubu deserves second term ticket can hardly be taken as a trustworthy source.

As far as I know, he's only selling his candidate and if you really believe campaign ads is what swayed northern votes in NC to vote Buhari instead of Jonathan you might not really be knowledgeable about the events of 2015.

FYI. I was traversing Niger, Nasarawa and Abuja in 2015 and I know the locales then cared less about whether buhari was a reformist or nationalist. Within the space of two months, bombs went off in St Theresa Catholic Church in Suleja and FCE Kontangora. You think Niger state voters were worried about reforms or security?

Who could forget Nyanya park bombing and the UN office building? Topping it all was the Chibok girls' kidnap. Do you realize Michelle Obama raised up a Bring Back our Girls poster in the White House? These are the events that shaped the 2015 elections in Nigeria, not reforms and nationalism.

It was more about corruption and security, which was why change was well received among the populace.

I hope you know those "foreign independent source" are actually right-wing media looking to paint Axelrod as a corrupt official who benefits from interfering in elections of third world countries and causing instability in those countries. Check the two links out very well. I hope you know how to spot if a medium is left or right.

It is you that need to re-read that link and see how AKPD dissociated themselves from Buhari's campaign as much as possible. It is you Nigerians that usually thinks the Americans have nothing better to do than to sit around and influence elections in a third world disaster like Nigeria. FYI, the official Western position is non-interference in democratic processes of foreign nations. So if you think Axelrod is going to carry Buhari's campaign on his head and own it with his full chest while working for Obama, you may need to check naivety again. You even think the coups and counter-coups in Nigeria have been of the US's making. Really?

Do you know that Jonathan also hired an American company to consult for his campaign too? Well, he did. And the company was left leaning as well. You see, the difference is what I have told you and what Jonathan said himself. Obama was unhappy with Jonathan over anti-gay law. I hope you know Buhari had to tell Obama homosexuality was alien to our cultural nuances shortly after he took office and visited Obama. Check it out.

we are now going in circles. right wing- left wing bla blal bla
so tell me who brought in AKPD. kwankwanso? saraki? atikiu? people that were housed in Tinubu's house in Lagos.
Nigeria is a 3rd world disaster because it suits western objectives fine- big but useless.
coups and counter coup? Nigeria is still one today courtesy of foreign powers. The day they are done with Nigeria is the beginning of her disintegration. U will continue to be a Nigerian until they say otherwise.
bye. at least u are more exposed than the dumb owner of the thread.

Ojuntana:
I strongly disagree.

Axelrod could not have handled APC presidential social media campaign.

1. He was not a member of the APC so he couldn't have been a member of their campaign.
2. Axelrod is one of Obama's right hand men. He can be a consultant or adviser but to jump into the fray of handling social media with his own responsibilities in the Obama administration would be a step too low without any disrespect to the APC campaign team.
3. That problem of not being a democrat was not such a problem for Buhari here in Nigeria as much as it was in the international scene. Don't forget, Buhari gave a speech in Chatham House where he "took responsibility" for the 1983 coup and declared himself born again. Meanwhile here in Nigeria, he was being painted as the unsmiling General who stamped out corruption and dealt a heavy blow to the Maitatsine sect in the North East. Thus, there was a bigger need to sell buhari to the West as reformed than there was in Nigeria.

Obama's main issue with Jonathan was the anti-gay law he signed. Obama had hoped to use a soft landing for gay in Africa's largest country as a tool to show the gay movement could get a foothold in Africa. You can imagine how he would have viewed a Muslim buhari with antidemocratic antecedents if a Christian refused to sign that kind of law. So the job of Axelrod was to soften the ground for Buhari in the international scene not social media in Nigeria.

Again, there are no facts to prove it was Tinubu faction that contacted Axelrod. There were people in the APC with extensive contacts in the US lobby industry and it could have been any of them not necessarily Tinubu.

I dont have strength for argument. Your answer is here.
https://ng.opera.news/ng/en/politics/294acf83e18df691433af0ca1df4e0b1

This is an excepts below right from the mouth of Babachir Lawal, a northerner and former SSG under Buhari

https://www.page36news.com/2020/08/23/breaking-apc-chieftain-confesses-that-bola-tinubu-paid-the-best-american-consultants-to-transform-buharis-image-for-the-2015-presidential-election-and-must-be-compensated-with-the-2023-presidency/

How did you manage to turn around the negative perceptions the public had of Buhari?

At the time, Nigerians saw Buhari as just a wood. He had no emotions. People were not seeing him as a loving husband and father, and doubted if he could be humane. It was Tinubu who brought in Consultants from the US, the firm behind the successful execution of President Barrack Obama’s campaign. It helped to repackage Buhari to Nigerians. They came and started from the scratch; they did some research work for us. They told us where Buhari was weak, and the messages needed to change the long held perception, using billboards, and other campaign methods.

That was when you started seeing Buhari wearing a suit, and in Igbo, Yoruba, and Kanuri attire. It was then people started to see Buhari as a family man with his beautiful daughters.

The strategy was to transform his image, and show a humane, loving, and trustworthy person. It helped us. At some point during our strategy sessions, the Consultants asked us: why do you not allow Buhari’s wife to come out, so that she can be contrasted with Dame Patience Jonathan? When you do that, you would have won the election already, they said. She provided a contrast to the former First Lady.

Rallies do not win elections. It is the underground work that wins elections. Almost the same thing repeated itself in 2019. Tinubu does not like to take credit for what he does; he lives for politics, gets his money from politics, and spends it on politics. He has no other interest except politics. The monies he spent out of his pocket that are unaccounted for outside of the party’s campaign finances, are quite enormous.


In case u looking for foreign independent source regarding David Axelrod involvement with APC in Nigeria. see below.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/david-axelrods-political-consulting-firm-far-more-involved-in-nigeria-election-than-previously-disclosed/

https://oblongmedia.net/2017/04/13/david-axelrod-one-of-the-foreign-hands-that-plotted-nigerian-president-jonathans-downfall/

David Axelrod's firm even conducted social media polls for the APC including arranging social media events. They had meeting with Fayemi, Olubunmi and Amechi.


You are very naive to think a top govt social official cant get directly involved in nigerian electoral campaign. It shows you know nothing about America apart from what you see in Hollywood. People that have been appointing your leaders/Presidents to preside over Nigeria on their behalf for the last 60 years.

Whatever beef international community had against Jonathan doesnt matter, they've had enough of him and were determined to get rid of him. APC led by Tinubu gave them the platform to arch their plan and the rest of gullible Nigerians fell for it.

I never said Tinubu presented Buhari as a democrat. read my words well. I said he presented him as a reformist and a nationalist. previously, buhari was seen as a ethnocentric fulani bigot who believes in the entrenhment of northern Nigeria hegemony.

Ojuntana:
Buhari did not win the whole North in 2011 and 2007. Go and check your facts again. He wins in NW and NE while he usually lose NC. That changed in 2015

When I say north, I mean the almajiri north- hausa Fulani region not middle belt. That's where buhari has the cult follower ship.
North central isn't hausa Fulani. They've never voted in same pattern like core north. They are different. Forget the north attach to them.

Well the point is tinubu propaganda tool was responsible for the redirection of other regions towards buhari. Facts don't lie.

HardMirror:
tinubu needed Buhari more than buhari needed him. At national level CPC was doing better than ACN by a large margin. Is it not the same almagiri bites that tinubu is looking for in the north?

The issue here is not who needs who more.
But who got buhari into also rock. And I can boldly tell u it wasn't almajiri or underage voters in your kano or sokoto. They couldn't get him the presidency in 2003, 2007 and 2011.
Timubu played a significant and vital role into getting him into that office. Buhari had the whole international community backing him. do u know what that means? Ask Barrow, the current Gambian president, he will tell u.
As I said, buhari owes tinubu nothing. When u dine with the devil, what do u expect. Reward to heaven? Tinubu is a joker. He should ask Alimi and solagberu their reward for helping Fulani. Yoruba leaders don't learn.
Tinubu is a selfish and greedy crook who deserves whatever comes his way.

Popesuccess:
Is the Almajiri underage voters in the north west that have Buhari victory. Kwankwoso said it after the election

Buhari won almajiri votes in 2007 and 2011. He won the whole north, yet didn't get the presidency.

Ojuntana:
This meeting was set up by David Axelrod, the lobbyist paid by APC then to push the Buhari candidacy in the white House. That said, I don't see how that meeting influenced votes in Nigeria. I think such connection was to box Jonathan into a corner with international pressure should he ever try to reject or cancel the polls.
That's not to say Tinubu did not contribute to Buhari's victory but I agree with the op that it's been made larger and more critical than it actually is.

David Axelrod was Obama social media handler for his campaign and was contacted by Timubu faction of APC to handle buhari social media campaign.
The strongest factor that got buhar into as rock was how he was rebranded as a reformist and a nationalist who has the best interest of Nigeria at heart. The social media was responsible for that.

International community already made up their mind that also rock needed a replacement and bought into the the buharis fake anti corruption rhetoric. Thanks to lobbyist like David Axelrod who sold buhari to them.
Us foreign office actually told Jonathan he was going to lose the election and shouldn't try anything funny or else he received the Gbagbo treatment.

Jonathan was trapped. He couldn't do what incumbent would have done when election odds wasn't going in their favour. He had to give up or else he risk a civil war.

Bigger things played significant roles in buhari emergence as president, and not your almajiri votes. Buhari won the north in 2007 and 2011 yet couldn't get the presidency.

Don't worry. When it's time to look for who to blame for buhari's failure, you will remember Tinubu- that's when u start groaning that 'he forced this failure on us'

Just imagine a presidential aspirant meeting with the us foreign secretary. Which level buhari get to arrange such high level meeting.

But I agree with u guys that buhari owe Tinubu nothing.
Tinubu's selfishness got us to where we are today as a nation. He should be held fully responsible that failure in aso rock. He should not be rewarded with the presidency.

Ajibola don't be consumed by negativity or despair. America is a country that rewards hard work and intelligence.
Focus on yourself. Go to college, major in STEM. Stay away from crime, baby mama syndrome and drugs. Choose your friends wisely.
Trust me, you will never regret it.
I know people who attended local secondary schools and uni here in naija, but today controls over 100 thousand dollar in income per year.
Be wise.

AntiChristian:
Where is this exact claim made in the Qur'an?


In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah, and whose wife Elizabeth was a daughter (Greek thygaterōn - female Child) of Aaron. Luke 1:5 Explain how Aaron brother of Moses gave birth to Elizabeth!



Your answer is what the Prophet said below:
Mughira b. Shu‘ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them." Sahih Muslim.

Did u read my post at all or u just being unnecessarily obstinate.

Jewish tradition identify with their lineage via sons and daughter but never with brother or sister.
Elizabeth was called daughter of Aaron because she's linked to the levite lineage. Mary would have been called daughter of Aaron also if at all she had levite lineage.

No Jewish person dead or alive ever called Mary the sister of Aaron. That phrase was first noticed in the koran and it was very strange to people familiar with Jewish tradition. That was why the Jews in najran pointed it out to Muhammad followers.

No Jewish person dead or alive has ever been conferred with sister/brother honorific title as regards ancestral lineage.

You are not an authority on Jewish custom or culture, neither is koran. Muslims should be the ones explaining how the koran came up with the phrase sister of Aaron since you admit she had no brother called Aaron.

Koran called Imran the father of Mary, that makes him the grandfather of Jesus. Yes or No?
But the problem is according to Christian literature, the father of Mary is Joachim not Imran.

Mohammed didn't answer the question. His response showed he hadn't understood the problem with the question being asked.
Nobody said the Miriam is the mother of Jesus. Nobody said u can't honour your ancestors by taking their up their name.
The issue is Mohammed confused Miriam with Mary in the Bible and attributed the former's relative to the later. That's the point of this whole discussion.

Pls go thru the thread, haekymbahd is even making better effort in research at an attempt to answer the question.

Pls go back to Google and research, them come back with real answers, not all this merry go round lame response.

The credibility of Quran is at stake here.

haekymbahd:
You have to understand that the Quran is not the word of a Jewish or Arab man so there might be some phrases which Allah uses which most lame man would not normally use.

Can you explain what this verse below mean to you?

Allah SWT said:

"[Allah] will say, Enter among nations which had passed on before you of jinn and mankind into the Fire. Every time a nation enters, it will curse its sister until, when they have all overtaken one another therein, the last of them will say about the first of them Our Lord, these had misled us, so give them a double punishment of the Fire. He will say, For each is double, but you do not know."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 38)



What is the sister there reffering so because the Jews don't use that phrase doesn't mean Allah can't use it?

Atleast Allah never called Mary daughter of Aaron but sister of Aaron.

Mary's mother was the sister of Elizabeth and Elizabeth was regarded as daughter of Aaron meaning Mary's mother also is likely to be daughter of Aaron. But as beleived that Mary's mother married a Man from Judah.

Which means Mary his linked to David paternally and Aaron maternally. If She can't be called daughter of Aaron but was called sister of Aaron you need to understand the context with which the phrase was used and the prophet himself explained.

The Quran is not the word of a Jewish man or Arab man.


Mughira b. Shu‘ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them." Sahih Muslim.

Actually maternal genealogy is very much acceptable and valid in jewish culture. You are a jew if your mother is jew.
It would have been have been reasonable if Mary was called daughter of Aaron since she was related to Elizabeth who was descent from Aaron lineage either due to marriage or bloodline.
But sister of Aaron as a form of ancestral linkage is unknown in ancient jewish practice.
Some of the christians in Najran who pointed out this error were jews and would have known it was an acceptable practice in their culture.

Your claim that Allah twisted the words of humans and pushed into their mouths statements they never made is heresy and a dangerous precedence.
You people claim koran is valid because it's the actual word of GOD with factual historical accuracy. Your post above prove otherwise and destroys the credibility of koran as a reliable ancient scripture.
Jewish people never called Mary the sister of Aaron and her father's name was Joachim not Imran. Why should Allah distort people's words and names just to make a point, thereby creating more confusion as in the case here?
As I said in the first post on this thread, when Muslims get stuck with errors in the koran, they end up with phrase like 'Allah knows best' or 'it's a figure of speech', so I'm not surprised you already toeing that direction.

haekymbahd:
“O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

But “sister” here is not a literal biological relationship. Why do christians love swimming in the ocean of lies.

From among the tribe of Levi (son of Jacob),Aaron and his descendants were exclusively anointed as the caretakers and high priests of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.

So anyone serving at the Temple was given the title of “Aaronite”.

Mary, having dedicated herself to the servitude of the Temple, was an “Aaronite” or “sister of Aaron” in this sense.

It’s not, as some tried to debate, that she is related by blood to Aaron or even the tribe of Levi. No, “sister of Aaron” or “Aaronite” was a title given to one serving at the Jewish Temple.



Muhammad was asked this same question and he explained clearly

Mughira b. Shu‘ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them." Sahih Muslim.

There's no evidence that the phrase sister of Aaron is used for any woman whatsoever in Jewish culture or tradition.
There's no biblical or talmud or any Jewish text reference that showed any Jewish woman being called sister of Aaron due to her service in the temple.

That's a fictitious imagination of yourself and other modern Muslim scholars who tried hard to explain this problematic text in koran.

In Jewish tradition, people identify with their genealogy via 'son or daughter of someone' never 'brother or sister'. It should have been daughter of Aaron and not sister of Aaron if we should even agree on the reference to Aaron explanation.

You will have to provide evidence to your 'sister of Aaron' terminology in ancient literature otherwise we will have to agree that koran made a genealogy blunder.

Even more problematic is Mary being called daughter of imran numerous times in the koran when her father's name was Joachim according to Jewish literatures.

Mohammed explanation about the text was not only unclear but makes it more confusing, it showed he had not even understood the problem.
Of course, we all know people name their children after pious/ holy ancestors. The question is why did he get their names wrong for Mary's relative.

Koran is fond of plagiarising Bible stories but as expected with all forms of plagiarism, it collapses under it own weight when critically examined.

Koran is not the dictation of God. Its mohammed's revised collection of Bible stories he heard from Christians living in Arabia during his time.

AntiChristian:
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You can't answer that question because u dont know. Even top Islamic scholars dare not attempt. Honest ones admitted it was a mistake in the koran. What's the question that can't be answered?


In Arabic, both Miriam and Mary are called Maryam. There's no distinct name for Miriam.
Mohammed confused both names and attributed some of Miriam's identity to Mary.
Imran is the father of Moses, Aaron and Mirian. Joachim is the father of Mary and never had a brother called Aaron. That was a blunder in your koran.

The above is very important because it destroys the credibility of the koranic version of Jesus Christ. The koran confused Jesus' mother with someone who had lived 1500 years before her. Yet u want us to believe what koran say about Jesus. Isa is not Jesus Christ, they are 2 different characters.


How was Miriam confused with Maryam?
Did the Qu'ran say Moses was Jesus's Uncle?

Moses existed in the Pharaoh era in the Qu'ran. Jesus never met him but came far later.

Na so Christians dey do with false claims!

Mughira b. Shu‘ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them." Sahih Muslim.

"Children of Adam" is not necessarily used of Cain, Abel and their sibling only!

Similarly children of Israel too.

Brother and sister can be used in such ways too especially in Arabic and other semitic languages like Hebrew.

Koran claimed Jesus' uncle is Aaron and his maternal grandfather is Imran. That's a lie. Jesus never had an uncle called Aaron and his grandfather is Joachim not Imran.

Jewish culture do not have sisterly or brotherly honorific titles. Show me an example either in Bible or Jewish text where such was used.
Its either son or daughter of someone. You can find son of David being attributed to a descendant but never brother of David or sister of David.

Besides Mary is from the tribe of Judah while Aaron is from priestly tribe of Levi. Mary couldn't have been his sister or daughter in anyway.

The fact that another Maryam in the Bible had a father called Imran and brother called Aaron made it too obvious what actually happened.

Mohammed plagiarised the Bible into the koran. But because he's an illiterate , he got characters confused and mixed them up....like in in the case of Miriam and Mary. That's the problem with plagiarism.

No matter how u guys try to spin it, u can't wriggle your way out of this. Even Aisha, Mohammed's wife was dumbfounded when she discovered error.

If Tinubu cannot guarantee massive vote from the 3 southern zones, them there's no point having him as the APC flag bearer.
Tinubu is a divisive figure in the south and he's banking on his friends in the north to produce the votes that will get him to Aso rock.
As things are now, Atiku (against Tinubu) will lock down NE and at least 5 of the 7 states in north central. NW will be split.
Tinubu will have SW but will struggle in SS and SE ( provided there will even be election in that region next year) and will likely handover those region to Atiku on a platter of gold.
Its better APC pick a candidate that can lock down SS, SE, SW and get a huge chunk from the Christian north central. Ameachi, osinbajo and GEJ can do it but not Tinubu.

Let them just end this useless and senseless war. Both parties are achieving nothing but loss of lives and properties.
Zelensky should allow autonomy and referendum in athnic Russian region. Russian army should let Putin know that nothing tangible will come out of the war, he should compromise an extract commitment from both zelensky and NATO.

GreyLaw:
You are being clever by half. Buhari is not Jonathan, neither is he Tinubu or Osinbajo. Buhari's only equivalent in the whole of Nigeria today is Obasanjo. Buhari has no mates anywhere else in Nigeria of today. He is head and shoulders above everybody in politics and political achievement.

Here me: Buhari will get his candidate. Dem never born d mama of the person wey go stop am. What they did to Okorocha is just 10% of what would happen to any dissenters. Who be Tinubu? You think Abuja is Lagos?

Malami, Bashir and all those light weights just went for their own personal ambition. Federal might or no they can fail. But you see, Buhari's candidate is Nigeria's candidate. Whether you like it or not is inconsequential! I never liked Buhari, but it is what it is.

For almost 8 years Buhari did as he pleased. He played the Emperor and you and yours supported him because you felt he was maltreating your enemies. I repeat, dem never born the person wey go challenge Buhari. Kuma the baba no dey talk too much. He will just ring his fingers and his bidding will be done. Dissenters will be severely punished!

I agree with your last paragraph. Buhari did as he pleased o. Both home and foreign enemies, baba no send.
He decimated whatever illusion igbos have about secession or the emergence of Biafra. The guy came down hard on Twitter, something even India is careful to implement.
That man na something else. But I dont think he has a clear favourite. Rumour has it he's not even interested in 2023 presidential election. Its the cabals just forcing his hand.
Let's face it, if buhari has a favourite candidate, there would have been no need for convention postponement.