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ahmedio2017:
My brother, Jesus calling God father doesn't mean biological father. Jesus said I'm going to my father my God and your God.

He was referring to God and not biological father get that right.

Doesn't matter. Did Jesus ever called God his father. Did he ever tell his disciples to call God father.
That's my question. Not your literal or metaphorical aroye.

ahmedio2017:
god said he made mistakes he created you. What can u say about this?


god also regretted. Do you also believe that Almighty God can regret?

Study the evolution of linguistic etymology in ancient languages. Then come back and discuss.

ahmedio2017:
god also worked and got TIRED imagine? Can God rest? Can something of fatigue touch God? To the extent that god had to RESTED.

What was Jesus response when he was told by the Pharisees that God rest on the Sabath day.

ahmedio2017:
The church that Jesus Christ built how were they worshiping? Is it by clapping, dancing with another person's wife?

So U agree Jesus established the church and Christians continue to sustain the church Christ brought from heaven.
Don't worry about those who corrupt his church. They will be surely punished.
Now tell me what happen to the caliphate Muhammed established.
How far with the islamic caliphate? How is it faring nowadays. Don't U think Muslims have failed woefully to sustain the caliphate brought by Muhammad.

ahmedio2017:
If God is the biological father of Jesus then he is the biological father of disciples and you too abi?

God is my father because Jesus told me to call him father. Therefore I'm following the commandment of Jesus Christ.
The question is can U call Allah father. If U can't, then U don't follow Jesus.

ahmedio2017:
We believed in him because he's one of us, he's a Muslim and one of our prophets, Jews did not even believed in him talkless of Christianity who had little or no knowledge about Jesus Christ PBUH.

Whether you like it or not Christianity is not recognized by Jesus Christ PBUH he knew nothing about you guys go and meet your god and Paul.....

You these sheeps, AGUNTAN that's why you have no brain and manners of approach and that's why you guys are going astray....



Don't you ever in your life compare ur useless and slowpoke god with Almighty Allah because the difference is clear.

Your god made mistakes and does not

Your god RESTED like aboki who just finished digging soakeaway, Allah does not sleep nor slumber

Your god regretted and does not regret

Your god is too weak.

All these emotional rants won't safe u.
The most important thing is to seek the truth.
Now U said we Christians don't follow Jesus Christ.
Now jesus established the church.

Jesus said to Peter, "You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church." (Matthew 16: 18)

Who are those that continue to sustain the legacy of the church Jesus established when he was on earth?
Christians or Muslims?

U said Muslims believe in Jesus.
Jesus called God father, do U believe Jesus called God his father.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray by calling God 'Our Father who art in heaven.
Do U believe Jesus instructed his followers to call God father.

U can't claim to believe in someone if U don't believe in his words.
If U Muslims reject calling God father, then U are not following Christ.

Ohyoudidnt:
Obviously I don't get your question kindly restate.

Also there's no consensus appart from some Christian view that Jesus was resurrected.

Outside of Christian belief, there is a lack of consensus among scholars and historians regarding the resurrection of Jesus.

I make reference to the Jews not accepting Jesus as by some your books he is a jew. Muhammad pbuh was sent to Arabia and a good number accepted him.

Not all Jews were receptive to the message of Prophet Muhammad. Some tribes in Medina, such as the Banu Qaynuqa, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qurayza, initially opposed the Muslim community and even engaged in conflict. However, others were more open to dialogue and negotiation. For instance, the Jews of Khaybar, led by the prominent Jewish leader Kinana ibn al-Rabi’, eventually made a treaty with Prophet Muhammad in 628 CE, allowing them to live under Muslim protection in exchange for tribute and cooperation.

Some Jewish scholars and communities did eventually accept Prophet Muhammad as a prophet, recognizing his message as consistent with their own religious traditions. One notable example is Rabbi ‘Amr al-Dabbi, who converted to Islam and became an influential figure in the Muslim community.
Al-Husayn ibn Salam a new who became
Abdullah ibn Salam is a prominent jew who became muslim

There are millions of Jews who have converted to Christianity. Read about messianic Jews.

Regarding scholars reject the resurrection of Christ, pls about the Corinthians creed.

Ohyoudidnt:
Interesting submission. However I sense a little typo in the post you refer to. In any case to respond to your question the name of Muhammad pbuh is mentioned at some parts of solat like the call to prayer as has been since during the prophet's time and the name of Ibrahim may Allah be pleased with him is also mentioned in the testimony of faith (Tashahhud).


2. Muhammad pbuh is one of a numbered number of messengers Allah sent amongst mankind. Indeed all is appointed to die at a point except Allah.

In relation to the hadith you quote is it not clear to you that Sahih Bukhari 3667 provides insights into the emotional reactions of prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad during a critical moment in Islamic history – the passing of the final messenger of Allah. A case of rejection which is a normal human behaviour that one so dear should not pass away but in submission to the will of Allah and natural occurrence the reality of his death is accepted.

How many prophet's were resurrected from death or you no longer believe in the saying that it is appointed for man to die once?

Can I ask you why James is seen or called the brother of Jesus? Could you explain the reality in this?

The death of James also points clearly that the Jews never accepted Jesus or his teachings? How will the world accept this Jesus who's tribe never accepted him?

How did James the just die?

[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=128972751][/quote]Let me ask U a question. The Torah Jesus held in his hand during his time, is it the true Torah or corrupt Torah?

GlobeTrotter2:
you have been fed with alot of views from CNN. US said it fully on live tv by the Vice president. "We are ready to welcome Ukrain into NATO".

Putin is not a vampire
He just did what US would have done if it was in his shoes. He has repeatedly warned about this, US kept pushing. He even gave a peace favorable peace deal that Ukraine agreed to until Boris Johnson told them not to sign it.

As far as I'm concerned, zelenaky is the foolish porn who lead his people to war they can't win.

Stop lying. Ukraine was never going to join NATO. even France assured Russia.
What Ukraine was asking for was to join EU not NATO.

Putin just wanted to annex Ukraine because he deemed the govt in Kiev as too eurocentric. He didn't like their constant romance with Brussels and he saw that as a betrayal.

Ukraine made the mistake neighbours living next to superpowers don't make. Play safe, stay neutral and always assure the next door superpower BY YOUR ACTIONS.

AntiChristian:
May you not be crazy!
Wasn't Deborah a Christian? Why didn't God protect her against the arsonist?

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

Reminds me of the story of Job in the Bible!
After Satan went to whine God, God agreed to him testing Job but not to touch his life!

By that God's agreement how many people and animals died?
Who killed them, God, Satan or Both?
Do they have the choice you brought above for Deborah?

There's no choice in death!
People can die anytime!
Even miscarriage happens! People die young! No choice!

After Job's properties, sons and daughters have been destroyed/killed without their choice what did Job say:

He said "Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised". Job 1:21

This is what the parents of Deborah and all Christians should have said!
But na only Satan dey kill to you all! God no dey do anything we think is bad!

God did not kill Deborah, savage Muslims did.
God is the rightful owner of souls and can take it at anytime. But he still gives mankind the right to make that choice because not only is he a just God, he's also fair.
Everybody with a sound soul will be judged according to his choices.
Unlike Allah who already knew the day I was born that I will leave this world a Christian and will definitely reject the pagan religion called islam.
Yet Allah is going to judge me on the last day based on what he already destined for me on day 1.
That's a wicked God, in case no one ever told U.
That's why Islam makes no sense.

I don't have reply your waffling on Job because I already know that I read your bible upside down.
Job made his choice...God didn't choose for him.

Job 3.25

What I feared has come upon me;
what I dreaded has happened to me.

AntiChristian:
So these ones below are lies and contradictions?
See wetin Hannah talk in 1 Samuel 2:6-7
The LORD brings death and gives life; He brings down to the grave and raises up. The LORD sends poverty and wealth; He humbles and He exalts

Deuteronomy 32:39 God talk am
See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Job 5:18 Job talk am
For He (God) wounds, but He (God) also binds; He (God) strikes, but His hands also heal.

Answer who killed Deborah na!

How is that contradiction. God brings death and life. U choose, U pick your choice.
Deborah was denied the right to choose by savage Muslims. They choose for her...that's MURDER, ALLAH WILL PUNISH SEVERELY THOSE WHO BECAME GOD UNTO THEMSELVES AND THEN CHOOSE WHO TO DIE.

AntiChristian:
See wetin Hannah talk in 1 Samuel 2:6-7
The LORD brings death and gives life; He brings down to the grave and raises up. The LORD sends poverty and wealth; He humbles and He exalts

Deuteronomy 32:39 God talk am
See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Job 5:18 Job talk am
For He (God) wounds, but He (God) also binds; He (God) strikes, but His hands also heal.

So who killed Deborah again?

Deuteronomy 30
19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.

If the owner of life gave a choice on life and death; I don't understand why Muslims would then kill Deborah because they think she deserves death.

@ op
Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God.
It's not even about Trinity. Not believing in a triune God simply shows u don't have a full understanding of who God is, which is fine. That doesn't make u automatically an unbeliever.

But the God of Muslims can't be the God in the bible because Allah told Muslims to bow to a sacred stone when worshipping him.
This is something God hates.

Deuteronomy 16
21 Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, 22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

Allah told Muslims to face the direction of a black stone whenever they want to pray to him. Allah also told them to visit the stone and circumambulate it every year and then bow to it. Allah also to the Muslims it's ok to kiss this black stone for whatever reason.
This is nothing but pure paganism and idolatry.

God will never sanction something he hates. God cannot tell Moses not to build or associate a sacred stone in his name BUT yet tells another prophet 2000 years later to associate a sacred stone to his name.

God never changes his mind. He's an unchangeable changer.

God will never tell anybody to bow to a stone in the process of worshiping him.
It's nothing but pure idolatry.


The book of Christians and Muslims cannot be correct the same time. One of them must be lying.
Either Muhammed or Moses lied.
I leave u to find the truth on who is the LIAR.

AntiChristian:
So who killed that Deborah?

Who killed all those Boko Haram, Bandits and others have been killing?

No be your savage Muslims for north they do wonder.
Have U guys repented and arrest Deborah killer. That Muslim guy holding the matches.

Expanse2020:
Na so your God dey hesitate reach that he leave Satan and start with the killing of infants

Psalm 137:9
"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"


Hosea 13:16
"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open."
How many of the verses you want me to give you

Elisha curses 42 young lads to death!
2 Kings 2:23-25. In this account, the prophet Elisha is on his way to Bethel when a group of young boys comes out of the city and begins mocking him, calling him a "baldhead." Elisha curses them in the name of the Lord, and
female bears come out of the woods and mauled 42 of the boys.

1 Samuel 15:3

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly adestroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel .

Your God said in Zephaniah 2:12:

You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD!

Your God wicked oooo he even get sword😱😱😱🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Na your God get sword for Bible. Isaiah 45:7

God is the owner and giver of life. We are only renting if from him.
He can demand of it at anytime without any explanation.
Your soul is the property of God leased out to U.
He can recall it at anytime without giving u due notice.

Know this and know peace.

But Muhammed is not God, Muslims are not God. They have no right to kill a soul they didn't create.

That's the difference. Dumb

Qasim6:
My guy stop wasting your time, stop looking for your 3 in 1 God in the Tanakh/ Old testament, it is not there.

You have no leg to stand on.

So I don't understand you Muslims....

They have problem with Jesus being called God in the new testament.
But they don't have a problem with the angel of the LORD being called God in the old testament.

Muslims are the most confused people on this earth. I don't understand them at all.


Honesttalk21 and ohyoudidn't if U can help with above, I will appreciate.
Qasim said I'm wearing a spectacle called trinity anytime I want to read the bible. I asked him to help me remove it by explaining some verses in the old testament but he refused.

Very selfish guy, may Allah judge him!!!

Pls jare U good Muslims should help a brother remove his lens of trinity.
Be like say that Qasim na another otondo like expanse.

The question is ....
Why do Muslims throw fit when Jesus is called God, but hide for cover when we show them when angel of the LORD is called God in the old testament.

OR do U Muslims agree angel of the LORD is God?

Judges 13
When the angel of the LORD did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the Lord.

22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”

Qasim6:
My guy stop wasting your time, stop looking for your 3 in 1 God in the Tanakh/ Old testament, it is not there.

You have no leg to stand on.

Ok I've heard U.
But explain in the tanakh why Manoah will see the angel of the LORD and conclude he's God.
That's my question. Leave 3 in 1 aside.

If U don't know ask your fellow Muslims colleagues to help U.

What I'm doing now is teaching u the scriptures. Leave the Nicene creed alone.

Qasim6:
You trinitarians won't cease to amaze.

You can even spot your manmade doctrine from that verse?

Let me help you, smash that trinitarian lenses you are putting on and re-read that verse.

Still no response despite 2 evidence of manifestation of God in more one person.

Let me give u 3rd evidence.

Judges 13

20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the Lord did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the Lord.

22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”

Now the question is why did Manoah- Samson's father realised he saw the angel of the LORD and conclude he's God.
Why would he conclude the angel of the LORD is God.

TenQ:
How about this

Your prophet said:




Sahih Muslim 758a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left, and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him?

If the earth was flat, this is possible but the earth is spherical!

It means that Allah is trapped perpetually on the earth

Is this hadith a fabrication of Mohammed?

Ohyoudidn't and honesttalk, the sound Islamist scholars here...I want U to explain this hadith.
Christians apologist use to say it but I didn't understand it until now.
Thanks TenQ.

Since we know when it's night in one hemisphere of the earth, it's day on the other half; and then vice versa.

That means Allah is forever trapped in the lowest heaven since there's forever night on earth.
It shows Allah or Muhammed or hadith writers believe in a flat earth.

Ironically this is not a problem in Christianity because we believe God is a spirit which mean he's omnipresent. He can be on all levels of heaven at the same time.


TenQ pls show me verse in the Koran that says this....U know some Muslims will simply reject it because it's hadith and claim it's weak.

Expanse2020:
But you keep decieving yourself because you know what they wrote there and you can see that Jesus even nullify what John said and even checkmate John there...
Ok let assuming the spirit come down as a dove people who are there saw it wright and they heard the voice but Jésùs himself told them no one can hear the voice of the God and also told John to short up about what he doesn't know so why are you arguing blantly

Where did Jesus say 'no one can hear the voice the God'
Show me where Jesus say no one can hear God's voice.

Pls don't got to John 5 because what Jesus said is 'You can never hear the voice of God'. That is a direct speech to the You.

There's a big difference btw You and no one. This is the reason why British govt insist on IELTS b4 coming to their country because they know comprehension is a big issue amongst Nigerians

All prophet heard the voice of God....all. so how can Jesus then say no one can hear the voice of God.

I repeat, the only prophet who didn't hear the voice of God was Muhammed. That shows he's a fake prophet.

Expanse2020:
How could you said I put word on Jesus mouth 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is what Jesus said
The Father who sent me, confirmed me. And you missed it. You never heard his voice, you never saw his appearance.
So where did I put word on his mouth

Immediately after the pabtism you said a dove and a voice come out of heaven and there is people there at as witness wright
But when they asked Jesus he told the you never hear the voice or sees is appearance

Don't you see the verses are contradicting

Then after he said that he even shun John that what he heard was not from God that his memory had disappear... He doesn't have knowledge about what he his saying


Jesus himself claimed they never hear God or sees God and you are defending nothing
Common

U becoming incoherent. I think we just wasting time now.
You be been busted once again.

U kept skipping the phrase 'spirit of God' in Mathew 3. Whether it's deliberate I don't know. But what's certain is that spirit of God belongs to someone- who is the owner of the spirit.

In John 5 U quoted, who was Jesus speaking to....
Are are the 'You' Jesus was referring to....

Either answer the questions otherwise I will ignore u.
Don't have time for waffling....

Expanse2020:
A 🕊️ came out and a voice came out does that mean it's voice God
Ok
Explain the verse after the pabtism Jesus himself said no one has hear God voice I. Your own statement

At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.

Who is the owner of that spirit, that's my question.
Who did Jesus say is his father?

Jesus didnt say no one has heard the voice of the father, that's you lying agaisnt Jesus and putting words in his mouth.
Jesus said You have never heard his voice- Jesus was talking to the pharisees. Prophets of GOD including Abraham and Moses heard from God. The only prophet who never heard the voice of God was muhammed.

Expanse2020:
A voice come down doesn't mean it's a God voice because Jesus clearly stated it that nobody ever hear the God...so if nobody ever hear the God voice definitely John and Mattew are lier. Then according to one of the verse you coated here some people even said it was an angel voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣 abeggiii save your breath

So who has the spirit that descended from heaven. The spirit must belong to someone in heaven, isn't it?
So who is the owner...you tell me.

The spirit of God indicates the presence of God. If the spirit of God came down from heaven into the son, who is speaking in heaven? As U can see, that's Trinity.

Psalm 139.7

Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.



Again show me where Moses or any elder called Jesus my son. Just one verse.

Expanse2020:
May you should read your bible well well because he said a voice came down to earth, whose voice is... because God didn't said that it his voice and Jesus confirm it that what John and Mattew said was rubbished because nobody's has ever seen God or hear his voice don't you found the verses contradicting each other

No contradiction at all. Jesus was speaking to the Pharisee in John 5, I already explained. And the context was given.

Show me any of the FF that has the spirit of God
Among people from(who are in ) heaven we have Abraham, Moses, Jacobs Angel your 24 elders and alot of people who voice is that among them.

Which one of them has the spirit of God? because it was the spirit of God that descended from heaven into Jesus, not spirit of Moses, angel or elders.

Show me any verse in the bible where Moses, angels, or elders called Jesus my son. Just one verse.

Expanse2020:
I taught you know bible alaye babanla olodo you be oooo😂😂😂😂😂

i]Mat 3.16
And a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased.”[/i]
Whose voice is that😂😂😂😂😂
Among people from(who are in ) heaven we have Abraham, Moses, Jacobs Angel your 24 elders and alot of people who voice is that among them
Bros J this guy lied againt you sir
Brother Jesus please come and tell us the truth sir, is it the voice of your father
Bros J be like don't mind Mattew and John
open your bible to John 5 vs 37-38

37-38“. But the witness that really confirms me far exceeds John’s witness.(GBAM!!!) It’s the work the Father gave me to complete. These very tasks, as I go about completing them, confirm that the Father, in fact, sent me. The Father who sent me, confirmed me. And you missed it. LET ZOOM IN🧐🧐🧐

You never heard his voice, you never saw his appearance.
Talking to John again (Sir tee the empty head 🤣🤣🤣)There is nothing left in your memory of his Message because you do not take his Messenger seriously.
Na Jesus talk am óò no be me óò🙌

Matthew 3

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

So who among the heavenly hosts U mentioned has the spirit of God.
Angels, Patriarch, elders or the FATHER.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Jesus said he's a son to who? Father, patriarch, angels or elders.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

He said to them, “And who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!” (Matthew 16:15-17).


So I really don't understand the correlation of my beloved son to elders or angels. There's only one person who say such in heaven and that's the Father.

In John 5 Jesus said this to the Pharisees.

[i] And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.

Jesus also reiterated above in book of Matthew

MAT 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

MAT 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed

Jesus made it clear that the Pharisees don't hear because they cant- they need to believe in the one the Father sent but they rejected him.
So they can neither see nor hear from God.

Pharisees existed at a times the shikenah Glory of God had departed from the temple and the priest no longer have any direct contact or relationship with God. The Pharisees were not receiving any revelation from God either. They were waiting for the Messiah to open up that pathway of communication btw mankind and God. That Messiah was Jesus. Instead of the Pharisees to embrace jesus so they could here from the Father, they rejected him and that was what Jesus was explaining in the passage.


However Jesus affirmed his source and that people can once again hear from the father through him. An example is John 12.

28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Expanse2020:
Where did God call JESUS his son in the bible
Did Jesus ever see God
Where did Jesus tell you I am your God

Mat 3.16
And a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased.”

John 12

28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine.

ahmedio2017:
10 commandments, Jesus Christ PBUH said I have not come to abolished the laws but to amend it.


Jesus Christ PBUH said I have not come to fulfill my own will if not he that sent me......

So what is the will of the Father Jesus came to fulfil ..
Let's have a look...

John 6
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

So the question is if U admit Jesus came to do the will of the Father, why are not following that same will?
Why are being disobedient to the will of the Father?

ahmedio2017:
1. Allah is an Arabic language which means God.

2. Allah is in the heaven sitting on the throne of Al-harashi. He sees everything both in the heaven and earth. He knows everything both open and hidden. Allahu Akbar. He is the greatest.

3. Muslims those who believed and do good will be be privileged to see the Almighty God on the day of judgement. Not everyone will have the opportunity to do that OKAY?

4. Which one is Allah changing shape, no one has ever set his eyes on him b4 so no one can actually says this is how God is. So this is not a point.

5. Allah is the mighty one, he created heaven and the earth, he has the power to do all things that he wishes, he has the ability to do all things. He knows all things. So this is not a point too. He created heaven and the earth and all things inside that alone shows how powerful God is.

6. Tawhid is a fundamental concept in Islamic psychology that refers to the oneness of Allah and the belief that everything in the universe is connected to Allah (SWT). Tawhid is derived from the Arabic word “wahid” which means one.

Iblis is one of the angels of Allah, he was created by God, God commanded him to bow down for Adam which he refused and since then he has turned to Satan. Although God is all knowing, that's is one of the purpose of iblis in the first instance because God is all knowing.......


Are you now cleared? Allah is One and all prophet of God preaches the oneness of God. Allah is unique. He created Adam with his word kunfayekun meaning be and it shall be. Adam has no father neither does he have mother, he created Jesus Christ PBUH with his word. He created YOU with his word so Allah is great and he's the only one that is worthy of worshiping says Jesus Christ PBUH.....

That's why I said you Christians didn't believed in Jesus Christ PBUH. You need to believe in him and all other prophets so that you can be successful.

Tawhid means nothing. One God is meaningless. Knowing there's one God has no weight in any theological concept.
Satan acknowledge there is one God but he was punished by God.
Cain knew of only one God but he was banished from God's sight.
Zoroastrian is the first monotheistic religion, it existed thousands of years before any Abrahamic faith yet it's not considered a true religion.
Orunmila believes in One God according to Yoruba pantheon concept. Why are Yorubas not following orunmila since he preached one God?
So your one God one God mantra lacks depth and makes no sense.

The issue is who is this one God, how does he want us to worship him. What are his laws and doctrines.
What is the truth about this one God and how do we follow him?

That is the question my friend. Not shouting one God one God up and down.

Qasim6:
You trinitarians won't cease to amaze.

You can even spot your manmade doctrine from that verse?

Let me help you, smashed that trinitarian lenses you are putting on and re-read that verse.

Still no answer. Ok, let's move.

Let's see if trinity is actually in the scriptures or was generated artificially by Christians.

Let's look at another verse in the book of Genesis. Remember genesis was written by Jews who don't believe in trinity.

7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going
“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”......

13 Hagar gave this name to YAHWEH who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi- well of the Living One who sees me. is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.



Now explain to me why Hagar is calling the angel of the Lord the God Almighty, el Roi- the Living one.

Qasim6:
You trinitarians won't cease to amaze.

You can even spot your manmade doctrine from that verse?

Let me help you, smashed that trinitarian lenses you are putting on and re-read that verse.

Still waiting for your response. Gen 19.23

Qasim6:
You trinitarians won't cease to amaze.

You can even spot your manmade doctrine from that verse?

Let me help you, smashed that trinitarian lenses you are putting on and re-read that verse.

Let me help u.

And Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven,


The verse mentioned 2 Yahweh, one on earth and one in heaven. Pls read genesis 18 and 19 for context.
This is the book of Genesis written by Jews who don't believe in trinity.

It's not enough to tell me to remove my trinity lenses. I don't have one.
It's about interpreting the verse of the book I believe. There are clearly 2 Yahweh spoken about here. One on earth and the other in heaven.
This is not even trinity in pure sense but manifestation of God in more than one person that Muslims claim is not in the bible.
If what I've written is incorrect, then explain the verse to me, help me remove the trinity from the verse. Thank U.

NB Both Jeremiah and Amos mentioned the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and they retained the 2 Yahweh identity in their story.

Qasim6:
Being a trinitarian is the worst thing that can happen to any one that believe in God.

You are even trying hard to poke holes into the concept of Oneness of God, the concept adhered by Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

As daft as you are, you want to destroy the fact that Allah is God almighty, even your god call his God Elaha, and Arab Christians call God Allah.

My guy, u can only keep exposing ursef as the semi-pagan that you are.

Since trinity makes no sense maybe U that have sense can explain this verse to me...

Genesis 19
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Pls don't tell me the verse is corrupt. Thank U.

Expanse2020:
Yahaya mean Allah is gracious/merciful

My God is gracious/merciful

Your maybe Yahweh is 3 in 1 God who knows ...

TenQ see the mor.on u wasting your time on....
U can see how he's struggling to answer one simple question.
Obviously he's asked his sheik and imams they don't have any answer for him.

Why is Allah's prophet called Yahweh IS MY God.

Expanse or whatever u call yourself, go and look for the answer to my question and come back here to respond.
Until then don't mention me. As I said earlier U are a waste of time.

Expanse2020:
I know because you don't have a card to play again

Yahweh is trigo........
I showed you fact and you can disproof it

Yahaya mean Allah is gracious


Your Jesus may be Yahweh pagan
But Allah is Allah,; the most gracious and merciful
Allah is not Pagan Yahweh

I'm asking asking about Elijah!!! Are U blind
Why is your prophet in the Koran bearing my God is Yahweh

honesttalk21:
The historical name of Jesus (Ιησούς) in Amaraic was Yeshua ישוע or (ܝܫܘܥ) in Classical Syriac. In Eastern Syriac dialects there is the variation Isho (ܝܫܘܥ) written the same as Yeshua.

Then what's Jesus name in Hebrew?
Good we have now clarified that Jesus never called himself Isho.
So tell us how Muhammed got the name ISA?