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Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 6:53pm On Apr 23, 2024*

Ohyoudidnt:
Glad you accept Jesus or Yeshua didn't establish anything new. He even encouraged obedience of the priests and elders regarding the scripture.

Where really did Christianity come from?

Jesus established the CHURCH. That's what he came here to establish.

How many times will I tell U.

Now say it after me so U don't forget...JESUS CHRIST CAME TO ESTABLISH THE CHURCH.

When he was going, he handed over his church to his disciples.

And when he comes back, HE'S COMING BACK FOR THE CHURCH, NOT ANY RELIGION.

If U like continue wasting time on the best religion,
that's Una problem.

If U are not a member of the church JESUS CHRIST established, YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 5:52pm On Apr 23, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
You don't or pretend not to get how far the interaction of prophets went. Is Solomon not of Israel?

Do you not identify as a Christian? You will say no so please tell what you identify as?

Claiming Christianity is not a religion Jesus established is inconsequential. It doesn't matter...
That's my point.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 2:43pm On Apr 23, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
The Queen of Sheba is believed to have been from Africa. You have reference to her relationship with Solomon.

What has queen Sheba has to do with what we talking here....
Besides, can U confirm U agree that Jesus Christ has a divine nature.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 2:42pm On Apr 23, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Oh please.

Quran 49:13:O humanity! Indeed, We created you from a male and a female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you may ˹get to˺ know one another. Surely the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous among you. Allah is truly All-Knowing, All-Aware.

Define Islam and see if prophets before Muhammad pbuh did not inculcate it's doctrine. Many of your peers vehemently state Jesus did not preach religion and best we know Mary his mother and David his great father practiced Judaism.

Where did Christianity come from?

Oh each prophet forms a new religion.

Abraham had his, Moses had his, Isaiah, Enoch etc.?

You ve said nothing. Christianity as a religion means
nothing. Jesus Christ is everything, what U call yourself is inconsequential- what matters is being a follower of Christ.

Jesus disciples called themselves The way.
The Jews called them The Nazarenes
The gentiles called them Christians.
Any Jesus follower is free to pick a new name if he feels like it. Changes nothing.

So if Jesus didn't bring religion then what did he bring?

He brought the CHURCH. Yes Jesus established the church, he mentioned he brought the church and whatever name U call yourself, so long as U are member of the church which is the body of Jesus Christ- U are following the true faith and on the right path.

Do U get it now?
The way and manners U Muslims try to extrapolate islamic doctrines into Christianity and expect us to accept it will never crease to amaze me.

By the way, the spiritual home of islamic faith is Saudi arabia. U people must face that country otherwise your prayers will be rejected.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 12:28pm On Apr 23, 2024

gaskiyamagana:
I am enjoying you as christian in schoolarfool discussion of Islamic Qur'an for nothing other than bringing it to the level of fallacy, fiction false, fabrication and mutilation as strongly, like ublica cord of foetus to mother, associated with bible.

Guy pack if U cannot contribute intellectually to the debate here, go and count sands or better still go guard mosque.

Celebrities › Re: Francesca Amewudah: Black Actors Condemn Racial Abuse Of Romeo, Juliet Star by SIRTee15: 10:06am On Apr 23, 2024

1Sharon:
Yes you're right. White people have been playing ancient Egyptians but if you look closer. They made an effort, they darkened their skin slightly to look tanned. And ancient Egypt wasn't just black or white, it was a mixture of different races.

Still on ancient Egyptian...I think U will love this.
From a white Egyptologists expert so U wouldn't say we pushing afrocentric propaganda.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5n9FZ_OtIb/?igsh=a3I1cDdjMGJkNDNo

Celebrities › Re: Bobrisky Files Notice Of Appeal, Challenges Conviction by SIRTee15: 9:30am On Apr 23, 2024

CrownLands:
He is learning how the legal system works in 9ja. If you no get money or influence, No plead guilty ooh!

When I heard bobrisky pleaded guilty I was shocked. How can U plead guilty in front of a Nigerian judge- it's like playing russian roulette with your destiny.
Nigerian judges are very mean and do not understand mercy. The only language they understand is money and influence.
Don't ever plead guilty in a Nigerian court except U are privileged with either money or influence.
Play the long game of adjournment by pleading not guilty. Eventually police will get tired of your case and likely throw away your file or better still just settle them and case close.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 7:31am On Apr 23, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
The beauty of variation in opinion. In the end everyone will give account of his or her own self

Cut the cap bro
Islam came from Saudi arabia, they gave u the Qur'an.
Its the spiritual seat of the islamic faith.
If the scholars from Saudi arabia are saying adult breastfeeding is valid, U should listen. There must be a reason they said so.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 12:51am On Apr 23, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
The Qur'an is the literal word of Allah as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel). The Qur'an consists of 114 chapters, and each chapter is considered a complete and perfect revelation from Allah. Any additional prayers or supplications outside of the Qur'an are not considered part of the Qur'an itself.

If you are referring to the additional prayers or supplications that may have been compiled by Ubayy ibn Ka'b (may Allah be pleased with him), it is important to note that these are not part of the Qur'an. Ubayy ibn Ka'b was a companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) known for his expertise in reciting and understanding the Qur'an. He was among the scribes of the revelation and had a deep knowledge of the Qur'an.

Ubayy ibn Ka'b may have compiled additional prayers or supplications, these are not considered part of the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an is distinct and separate from any other compilations or writings.

The mus-haf of Ubay b. Ka'b (ra), included two additional chapters and one additional ayah. The first one is entitled "Al-Khal'" or "The Separation" and translates as:

O Allah, we seek your help and ask your forgiveness, and we praise you and we do not disbelieve in you. We separate from and leave who sins against you.

The second one, "Al-Hafd" or "The Haste" translates as

O Allah, we worship You and to You we pray and prostrate and to You we run and hasten to serve You. We hope for Your mercy and we fear Your punishment. Your punishment will certainly reach the disbelievers.

The forms for these two pieces are clearly like the prayers in du'a qunut that have been narrated from the Prophet pbuh (in fact, parts of the above are verbatim in known adhkar).

Don't I get that you are failing in a pathetic attempt to lie against Islam. Has the one I have desisted from responding to not shared that in
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3324
It was narrated that 'Urwah said:
"The rest of the wives of the Prophet refused for anyone to enter upon them on the basis of that type of breast-feeding, meaning breast-feeding of an adult. They said to 'Aishah: 'By Allah, we think that what the Messenger of Allah told Sahlah bint Suhail to do was a concession which was granted by the Messenger of Allahonly with regard to breast-feeding Salim. By Allah, no one will enter upon us, nor see us on the basis of this type of breast-feeding.'"

Showing that you know the truth that the exception to breast feed Salim beyond the toddler years was just in his case and not a generality but just make mischief for fun.

Even in the 21st century some of your scholars are advocating for adult breastfeeding.
Dey play...

https://www.independent.co.uk/property/house-and-home/saudi-clerics-battle-over-adultbreastfeeding-music-fatwas-2018087.html

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 12:43am On Apr 23, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
The Qur'an is the literal word of Allah as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel). The Qur'an consists of 114 chapters, and each chapter is considered a complete and perfect revelation from Allah. Any additional prayers or supplications outside of the Qur'an are not considered part of the Qur'an itself.

If you are referring to the additional prayers or supplications that may have been compiled by Ubayy ibn Ka'b (may Allah be pleased with him), it is important to note that these are not part of the Qur'an. Ubayy ibn Ka'b was a companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) known for his expertise in reciting and understanding the Qur'an. He was among the scribes of the revelation and had a deep knowledge of the Qur'an.

Ubayy ibn Ka'b may have compiled additional prayers or supplications, these are not considered part of the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an is distinct and separate from any other compilations or writings.

The mus-haf of Ubay b. Ka'b (ra), included two additional chapters and one additional ayah. The first one is entitled "Al-Khal'" or "The Separation" and translates as:

O Allah, we seek your help and ask your forgiveness, and we praise you and we do not disbelieve in you. We separate from and leave who sins against you.

The second one, "Al-Hafd" or "The Haste" translates as

O Allah, we worship You and to You we pray and prostrate and to You we run and hasten to serve You. We hope for Your mercy and we fear Your punishment. Your punishment will certainly reach the disbelievers.

The forms for these two pieces are clearly like the prayers in du'a qunut that have been narrated from the Prophet pbuh (in fact, parts of the above are verbatim in known adhkar).

Don't I get that you are failing in a pathetic attempt to lie against Islam. Has the one I have desisted from responding to not shared that in
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3324
It was narrated that 'Urwah said:
"The rest of the wives of the Prophet refused for anyone to enter upon them on the basis of that type of breast-feeding, meaning breast-feeding of an adult. They said to 'Aishah: 'By Allah, we think that what the Messenger of Allah told Sahlah bint Suhail to do was a concession which was granted by the Messenger of Allahonly with regard to breast-feeding Salim. By Allah, no one will enter upon us, nor see us on the basis of this type of breast-feeding.'"

Showing that you know the truth that the exception to breast feed Salim beyond the toddler years was just in his case and not a generality but just make mischief for fun.

So Ubay the best reciters didn't know what's in the Qur'an and what's makes prayer. Abi no be him talk this one....

Ubayy said, ‘I took it from the mouth of the Messenger of Allah and WILL NOT LEAVE IT for anything.’

What about ibn masud another best of the reciters recommended by Muhammed...

I acquired directly from the Messenger of Allah (saw) seventy surahs when Zaid was still a childish youth - must I now forsake what I acquired directly from the Messenger of Allah?”

So these reciters who Muhammad praised as the best of reciters didn't know their left from their right...yet Muhammad recommended them...

See as Una throw Muhammad under the bus in a bid to validate a forged quran.

As for the adult breastfeeding brouhaha, I will show up to three adults that were breastfed in your hadiths and islamic literature all recommended by Muhammed apart from the slave boy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 11:04pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Show us verse?

Genesis 16.9

9 Then the angel of the LORD told Hagar, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers.”

13 Hagar gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seennthe One who sees me.” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi[d]; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 11:00pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Show us verse?

2 chronicles 7

Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the (shikenah) glory of the Lord filled the house.

2 And the priests could not enter into the house of the Lord, because the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord's house.

3 And when all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord upon the house, they bowed themselves with their faces to the ground upon the pavement, and worshipped, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 10:55pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Catholics do many rituals which I can ascribe to you too!

Are those thing found in your scripture? Be sensible for once!

That's none of my Business! I will try as much as possible to be respectful enough and probably explain my beliefs.

No! Cos when it is Jesus someone bow to you'll say it is worship!

Define what worship is and stop running?

Worship simply means adoration and reverence to a deity or anything you consider god.

I don't consider my parents as gods, so prostrating or bowing to them will not make them gods!!!

Once U consider something a god, any adoration or reverence to it is worship.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 10:31pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
No! Cos when it is Jesus someone bow to you'll say it is worship!

My friend, the bible said Jesus was worshipped not bow to or people prostrated to him.
PEOPLE WORSHIPPED JESUS AND JESUS NEVER REJECTED WORSHIP.

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 24.52
And the disciples worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

The bible never mentioned other prophets were worshipped or receive worship. None.
You are the one forcing prostrate/bow to mean worship.
The bible makes it clear Thou shall only worship the LORD your God.

To prove to you that Jesus was worshipped as God in the new testament, when John fell on his face to worship the Angel, he told John never to worship him but to worship only God.

Revelation 22
8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

Unless U can provide verses where prophets were worshipped, your case is dead.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 9:28pm On Apr 22, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Ubai Ibn Ka'b indeed had his own collection of
Quranic material. Early Islamic sources indicate that there were slight variations in the readings and arrangements of the Quranic text among some of the companions, reflecting a diversity of transmission during
the early period of Islam before the standardization process.

Ubai Ibn Ka'b was known for his deep knowledge of the Qur'an and was one of the few individuals whom the Prophet pbuh specifically mentioned as being excellent in Quranic recitation. His compilation
included a few additional phrases and different wordings, which are considered part of the early textual history of the Quranic text.

Zaid Ibn Thabit was chosen by Caliph Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) to lead a committee to compile an official, standardized mushaf (written copy of the Quran) to preserve the integrity of the Quran and ensure
its uniformity across the rapidly expanding Muslim world. This standardized mushaf omitted the variants and personalized annotations from individual companions codices, focusing on the Quranic text that was agreed upon by consensus to be recited by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

These early codices did not represent different Qurans but rather different methods of transmission and teaching within the scope of what was allowed in Quranic recitation and memorization practice. The Uthmanic codex reflects the community consensus and is the basis for the Quran used throughout the Islamic world today.

That's a lie...Ubay's Qur'an had 2 extra surah not in Zaid's codex. 2 whole surah cannot be slight difference my friend.

And why would they compile a committee of reciters that would standardize the Qur'an yet the 2 best reciters approved by Muhammad were not included.

Don't U guys get it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 8:25pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Catholics do many rituals which I can ascribe to you too!

Are those thing found in your scripture? Be sensible for once!

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If I slap U...how can U compare different denominational doctrines to the authority of islam in Nigeria that all muslims in the country submits.

Who tells U when to start your Ramadan fast and when to end it.
No be dem royalty for north dey tell U to begin fast after they approve the sighting of the moon?
And if they don't tell U to stop fasting, U must continue.
Now U here denying their authority over u because U are embarrassed by their action.
He be like say U never chop this evening na why U dey yarn nonsense.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 5:00pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Show us verse?

AbuTwin don run. Him meet challenge wey pass am, him run.
He will not allow some nairalander Christians to confuse his belief.

His Muslim colleague here already admitted Jesus has a divine nature.
AbuTwin don't worry, so long as U engage us here, we will open your eyes and U will see the truth.

Too much lies in Qur'an and Islam.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 1:46pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Show us verse?

If I show U the verse where shikenah Glory was worshipped by Israelites and where the Angel of the LORD is called God...
Will U accept the trinity is from the bible.
I'm not saying U should believe it but will U accept the trinity is from the scriptures?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 1:42pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Yes you are worshipping them!
It is the same prostration we bow to Allah!
It is the same you accuse us of!

You don't call someone a liar till you are sure of your position!

The texts of the Sunnah and the consensus of the ummah indicate that it is prohibited to prostrate to anyone other than Allah according to the law brought by our Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), whether by way of greeting or worship, as the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal to prostrate to him when he came from Syrian and prostrated to him by way of greeting.

So whether some Muslims do it or not it still remains forbidden!

The Question still stands!
So I ask you again what is worship?

Why should I care what U say...
Your emirs bow before another royalty.
Your islamic scholars bow b4 the emir...
Yet one Abu twins is here telling me it's haram.
Why should I believe U?

Sha don't come and greet my parents without
prostating because na there fight go start.

All characters in the bible who prostrated did so as a sign of respect and not worship.

Worship is only for God and no one else. It has nothing to do with prostration.
Respect is extended to humans and can be done based on cultural values and norm.

But when Muslims bow/prostrate before a stone what exactly are U doing?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 1:18pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Show us verses?

Satan is God!
Human is God!
Moses was God!
Idols are Gods!

Same Elohim!

Did Israelites worship the shikenah Glory?
Yes or No.
Was the Angel of the LORD called God in the old testament? Yes or No.

Answer the questions first and I will reply.
I dont want U hiding or denying when I respond with evidence from the scriptures.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 1:16pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
When we bow to stone as a direct order from Allah you call us idolators! A stone is none living but Allah commanded us to do so!
You bow to your parents who are living unlike a non-living stone!

I don't bow or Prostrate to humans as this is against the teachings of Allah!
All my bowing and prostration are for Allah

So I ask you again what is worship?

Answer my question my friend...

As a Yoruba man, when I bow down b4 my parents, am I worshipping them?

because I just don't understand all those verses U brought here.
Confusing respect to worshipping.

When U bow before a stone, who are U worshipping?
Except U telling me U bow to the stone as a sign of respect to the stone!!!

Your claim U bow to no one but Allah is a lie.
See your emir bowing to another human being.
And U dare not go b4 your emir and not bow. Oniro...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcGZbDOMTac?feature=shared

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 1:12pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
God said you should worship Him in many places!

Deuteronomy 6:13
Fear the LORD your God, serve Him only, and take your oaths in His name.

Deuteronomy 10:20
You are to fear the LORD your God and serve Him. Hold fast to Him and take your oaths in His name.

Where did the Spirit or Jesus say the same anywhere in the Bible?

No dey cap nonsense bro!

Falsehood is falsehood!

Did Israelites worship the shikenah Glory?
Yes or No.
Was the Angel of the LORD called God in the old testament? Yes or No.

Good thing we moving into trinity. I will bury u once and for all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 12:53pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Which of your Gods was present in the temple?

The three or Just one?

The Spirit, the man or the dove?

Daniel bowed in the direction of the temple, why?

The temple is filled with the shikenah glory- the spirit of God with his glory.
Do U now see why we Christians worship the Holy spirit? Its in the old testament?

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 12:52pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Just tell us you have problem with Muslims!
More Pagan Practices in the Bible!

Genesis 19:1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. Lot worshipped Angels!

Exodus 18:7 So Moses went out to meet his father-in-law and bowed down and kissed him. They greeted each other and then went into the tent. Moses worshiped his in law and kissed him! Na same Kiss o!

Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down before the people of the land, the Hittites. Abraham dey worship humans!

Genesis 33:3 Then Jacob went on ahead. As he approached his brother, he bowed to the ground seven times before him. Jacob worshiped his brother!

Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the person who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down to him with their faces to the ground. Joseph's family worshipped him!

Matthew 18:26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ Is this worship too?

1 Kings 1:23 And the king was told, “Nathan the prophet is here.” So he went before the king and bowed with his face to the ground. Is this worship too?

2 Samuel 14:22 Joab fell with his face to the ground to pay him honor, and he blessed the king. Joab said, “Today your servant knows that he has found favor in your eyes, my lord the king, because the king has granted his servant’s request.” Is this worship too?

1 Samuel 24:8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, “My lord the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground. David worshipped Saul!

1 Kings 1:53 Then King Solomon sent men, and they brought him down from the altar. And Adonijah came and bowed down to King Solomon, and Solomon said, “Go to your home.” Adonijah worshipped Solomon too!

So I ask you again what is worship?
If bowing, Kneeling and putting the face to the ground is worship then all the above are pagans!

So as a Yoruba man, when I bow down b4 my parents, am I worshipping them?
because I just don't understand all these verses U brought here.
Confusing respect to worshipping.

When U bow before a stone, who are U worshipping?
Except U telling me U bow to the stone as a sign of respect to the stone!!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 12:02pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Moses, David, Daniel, Solomon etc are pagan in your Bible!

All of them were praying towards a temple which is of course made of stone too!
Why can't they pray to God directly?
Why didn't God rebuke them?

That should be for you! Your scripture is continuously changed dubiously by bible interpreters! The Originals manuscript of your Bible is lost!
The copies of copies available does not contain any core Trinity concept nor does it mentions the three Gods in trinity as coequal or Coeternal!

Let us continue to copy Daniel, Solomon and David to bow like them!
They are Muslims too!

Continue to delulu yourself.
God was present in the temple when Solomon bow down to the temple. God dwells in the temple physically, he was in the tabernacle of the temple.
David and Daniel never bowed to a temple. Read your bible well.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 11:57am On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Then quote one verse where this is proven from the Qur'an?

I have quoted people from the Bible worshipping temples!

Mr Man,
God hates associating him with stones. I already quote the verse and will do so again.

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.
Lev 26.1

God clearly says DO NOT BOW DOWN BEFORE A STONE, IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER YOU WORSHIP THE STONE OR NOT, IT'S IRRELEVANT, DO NOT DO IT.
GOD HATES IT.

And never set up sacred stone for worship, for the Lord your God hates them.
Deuteronomy 16.22

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE MUSLIMS PRACTICE WHAT GOD CLEARLY HATES YET WANTS US TO BELIEVE THEY WORSHIP THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.

OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE.

MUHAMMED WHO NEVER READ THE BIBLE TOLD U GUYS TO BOW BEFORE A STONE WHICH IS A SIN AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD.

NOW THAT U MUSLIMS HAVE READ THE BIBLE AND NOW KNOW BOWING BEFORE A STONE IS A SIN. WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE TO CONTINUE THE PAGAN PRACTICE.

Abu twins know this well....bowing b4 a stone can never come from God. Simple.

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Education › Re: Charterhouse: Why We Charge ₦42M Fees For Primary School Pupils — Lagos School by SIRTee15: 11:45am On Apr 22, 2024

Even here in UK, the average tuition fee for private primary school is 10-15k. No where near the 419 the 42 thousand pounds they want to charge.

If it's secondary school now, I fit understand because private high school is all about networking and securing your future. It also allows U enter prestigious university easily.
But primary school...taaaaa

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 11:02am On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
So who wrote this liar?
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else! Psalm 138:1-2

Majority of the Muslims have never been to the Kaaba. They bow towards its direction. Why do you have to keep telling lies and misrepresenting facts?

Bowing towards: When you bow towards someone or something, it means you are directing your bow in their general direction. It can be a gesture of respect, acknowledgement, or reverence. Bowing towards signifies the act of physically orienting yourself in the direction of the person or object you are bowing towards.

Bowing to: On the other hand, when you bow to someone, it implies a more specific action of showing deference or submission to that person. Bowing to someone indicates that you are acknowledging their authority, status, or superiority. It is a gesture of respect and humility, often used in formal or ceremonial contexts.

What is worship?
How do we worship the Kaaba?
How is kissing worship in Christianity?
When Jesus put his face to the ground who was he worshipping?

Abu come here and tell us who is the pagan between these two worshippers.
Both surround stone and bow down to it. But hypocrite Abu is going to tell his who is the pagan.

U guys better sit down and have a retrospection on what U worship. Shouting one God up and down will not help U.
If U want to bow down to a stone, U don't need to travel to Mecca to do that. There are lots of sacred stones here in Africa.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 10:29am On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
The more reason we say you guys are ignorant! The Kaaba remains a stone Allah attributed to Himself and the enlightened Christian believed the explanation.

This is your David bowing towards the Holy temple!
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2

This is your Solomon!
1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.

This is David again!
Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.

This is David again!
Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.

And Daniel got on his kneels and prayed!
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Ignorant hypocrites and liars!
Who told you we worship the stone from our texts?

Stop lying.
U guys bow down to a stone. U associate a stone with God, a practice he hates.

How this is not idolatry is simply beyond me.
Muhammad did a strong one on u Muslims. Very strong one.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abu Discussed With A Christian About Muslims Worshipping Kaaba by SIRTee15: 10:26am On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
You should compare that with vicarious atonement where Jesus's father send him to be sacrificed for your sins!

The Father is invisible, God is a spirit.
So your parody is very weak and lame.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Christians Really Know This? by SIRTee15: 9:43am On Apr 22, 2024

Hamzaay:
That is why you take any shit thrown to u because u refuse to learn

Who and who throws shit at Christians....
The only people who throw shits are Christians are Muslims who seem trigger happy to murder Christians because an atheist drew a cartoon of Muhammed.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran by SIRTee15: 11:44am On Apr 21, 2024

Ohyoudidnt:
Did Ibn Masood have any complains about the compilation at Abu Bakr's request?

Lousy talk about number of breastfeeding and adults or and child are baseless. Quran 2:233 mentions 2 years not number and is for the infant baby to young toddler. All other talk is rooted in mischief so get a rest or study critically the reasons for the council's of Nicea and all excesses therein

Yes ibn Masood complained.
I already did an article on it ...read

https://www.nairaland.com/8068045/synoptic-quranic-versions-called-preservation

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