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If the woman is married, her husband should be flogged!

Where in the bible does Christ recommend a "spiritual bath" for anyone? Where?

Christian and gay...what a deception. Hahahahaha. Some people make me laugh.
Yet the same bible said in Leviticus 20 verse 13:

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abominable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Glad that our brothers in East Africa are carrying out this sentence prescribed by God Himself without fear or favour. I will not go into what the new testament said about homosexuals and what their fate will be. It has been quoted severally.

So OP, keep on living in deception. Pray hard you do not find yourself in Uganda. You will not live for long if you keep professing this BS.

Gboliwe: Lol. Men of little faith.

Reminds me of an incident sometime ago. I was travelling to Umuahia from Awka. We were just about leaving when one man shouted from behind 'noooo! It can't happen! Blood of Jesus! and things like that. The next thing he did was to tell us he is seeing blood on the way. Lol. Come and see people diembarking and asking for refund. I said a short prayer and didnt get any negative feedback. The driver insisted on travelling, the transport coy refused refunding their money or changing the bus. We were only 4 that went with the driver to Umuahia and it was one smooth ride

Oh boy! This just made my Saturday. Can't just stop laughing. "NOOOO, IT CANNOT HAPPEN". Hahahahhahaha

Tello needs to man up. Close to tears after being "bullied" by that midget?

Messi is lucky it isn't me. He would have been sucking his food from a straw for the rest of the year after I fragment that his jaw into 20 pieces. Nonsense!

The more I read this story, the more I just cannot believe that the OP actually followed this goon from Abule Egba all the way to Mushin. He even sent you to buy credit and you left your phone with him. Kai shege damboroba! You are a real zombinized mugu!

OP, you are a fool.

"Soldier" asked you to give him your iPhone and you complied like Fela's zombie. Were you tranced? Did he have a name tag? You should have checked and confronted him with where his regiment is. Every soldier wears one on each shoulder. For instance, those in Brigade of Guards here in Abuja wear the badge showing the scorpion, which shows the nickname of their brigade, the "Scorpion Battalion".

You should have challenged him. One fake one tried nonsense in PH against a taxi driver (who was a graduate). The guy just called his brother and his brother's boys numbering 20 landed the place in 5 mins and showed the "soldier" the difference between Sokoto and sokoto.

Please I want to know if you got his name. Better still, forward his pics so I can get my guys to use facial recognition software to pick him out. Ignorance is killing many Nigerians in this day and age.

But what is the quality of service dished out to patients? I still remember the way I was screamed at and spoken to like a kid last time I was in a hospital. Very bad.

Bmart: To give up is not an option for consideration

Hmm. Ok now, continue the shadow chase.

The sort of miserly behaviour Arsene is displaying is now a confirmed mental illness. What is the use of getting a player who is clearly over the hill back on a free transfer?

infonubia: "..Saying, Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm..." - Psalms 105:15.

Someone once told me that " when a man takes the TEXT out of CONTEXT, he becomes a CON - An instance of deceiving or tricking someone".

And in my experience in church and "Christianese" that is what God's word has become to many of us, a means to an end.

We want money we quote "..Give and it shall be given to you..", meanwhile that scripture has nothing to do with money.

When we want to teach people greed that we call Prosperity, we quote "..money answereth all things...", but on the contrary, that scripture points out clearly those things that money have answers to, if only we would read in context and not read our GREED into HIS CREED!

One of those scriptures we've misused and quote out of context is Ps. 105.15. An individual in the place of leadership, within the body of Christ has misused his/her authority or abused his/her office, instead of taking up the cloak of humility, we respond with either by citing the story of Moses and his siblings in Numbers 12:4-10, then back it up with Ps. 105.15 or 'we' place people under a curse { I wonder if we understand scriptures at all ... we place God's people under a curse, after that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us} HABA!!! O ga ooo. I hope to look into that another time, if God wills.

The truth about Psalms 105:15.

This psalm was written by David, it was first delivered up into the hands of Asaph (a Levite, Chief of those appointed by David, to minister before the Ark of God) and his brethren in the day they brought the Ark of God into the midst of tent that David pitched (that is what the bible would latter call the tabernacle of David).

This Psalm was PROBABLY rewritten (or formatted, in today's language) as additional verses were latter seen to be added, which were not originally there. Compare [1 Chronicles 16:8-36 <=WITH=> Ps. 105:1-15(THEN check verses 16-45 of Ps. 105)]

Who is [are] the anointed [ones] and the prophets?

1. This Psalm was a psalm of thanksgiving from the position of what God has done in the history past of Israel as a nation or a people. So David was not talking about himself or someone or some people in the future.

2. Read this scripture from any translation, you will discover that it is talking about a COMMUNITY of people not AN INDIVIDUAL!!!

Read Ps. 105. from verses 12-15
When they were few in number, Indeed very few, and strangers in it.
When they went from one nation to another, From one kingdom to another people,
He permitted no one to do them wrong; Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,
Saying, 'Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm.'

These verses summarize the past of this community of people, and how God kept them.

There are three major events in scriptures that spells out what these verses are talking about:

a.) Dinah, Jacob's daughter got raped: Gen 34:1-35:1-5.

When Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite raped Dinah and afterwards will want to marry her, Simeon and Levi her brothers through deception killed all the males in that city because of what Shechem had done to their sister.

Hear what Jacob said from where the statement "When they were few in number" came in Gen. 34:30
Then Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, You have troubled me by making me obnoxious among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites; and since I AM FEW IN NUMBER [ did you see that? ], they will gather themselves together against me and kill me. I shall be destroyed, my household and I.

See how verses Ps. 105:15 then occur in this case: Gen. 35:5
..And they journeyed, and the terror of God was upon the cities that were all around them, and they did not pursue the sons of Jacob...

So, the anointed [ones] and the prophets here is the whole community not just an individual. [For the record, Simeon and Levi were punished for that action later by their father.]

b.) Twice, Abraham traded his wife for his safety: Gen.12:10-20,20:1-18.

If you read these verses,
When they went from one nation to another, From one kingdom to another people,
He permitted no one to do them wrong;Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,..

You wonder how? This correlate with the life and times of Abraham. He had married his own sister i.e Sarah (from the same father but NOT the same mother). She was very pretty so much that at an old age of Sixty plus, kings were still "running" after her. Abraham knew that his wife was beautiful so he had a pact with her saying " always tell them you are my sister!" for his own safety.

Twice, this happened, and twice God rebuked kings!! In fact, in one case, God told the king in a dream you are a dead man. Why? "....because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is a man's wife.?" and called Abraham a prophet, who will pray healing for him and his household "Now therefore, restore the man?s wife; for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you shall live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.?"

God was not only protecting Abraham here, he was also protecting Sarah and all of their household that later became a nation.

These were the primary events that form the backdrop on which these verses 12-15 of Psalm 105 was written.

Who then are the anointed [ones] now?

Please let me quickly say that these gifts of Christ as stated in Ephesians 4:11-16, has nothing to do with TITLES or POSITIONS. I wonder why we have Pastor so and so, Apostle so and so, etc but we don't have Teacher so and so. These gifts of Christ were given (not attained or achieved) for FUNCTIONS!

So, who are those that are anointed, If we are to "apply" the scripture Psalms 105.15 today?

a.) Scripturally, Psalms 105:15, is for our exhortation not "shut-ING-up" words. To see what God has done in the past, and so believing in him that he would keep his words in the NOW.

b.) You will also notice that the scripture is not for a certain individual within the community against another group of persons within THAT family or THAT community of anointed ones and prophets! In fact, God used the plural PROPHETS!!! NOT PROPHET!! Read any translation!

c.) We are all ANOINTED !!!

That is God's word!
..But you have an anointing [unction] from the Holy One, and you all know..... But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him [ the anointing is not OIL, it is a person ]. 1 John 2:20,27,
Of course you have to read from the verse 1 to see these in context.

In conclusion: There is of course, a place of honor for those who labor and who are put in charge as leaders or Shepherd by God [ We are all the same before God, it's our functions that defers, just like body parts ].

However, we are charged by scripture "..Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith...", it is when we do this that we realize that Jesus is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. Why? Because what God is working in their lives following the Lord, will be the same if we follow him so!

We are to CONSIDER the OUTCOME of their way of LIFE and FOLLOW their FAITH!!! God doesn't have grandchildren!!!

Clearly it obvious that Psalms 105:15 is not the exclusive reserve of the elitists within the church!

I can only Pray that the Lord grant you understanding in all these things!!

- Timothy Adigun

http://www.infonubia.com/2013/08/the-lie-we-preached-from-pulpit.html

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

This girl needs to go into rehab. Writing letter to Jesus or simply writing a fake letter on her blog for more publicity stunts? ALl of us all have stories about our past lives. Private stuff between a person and God is private and not for BLOGS.

If Ese really wants salvation, she should not come bothering us with such stupid talk about a so-called letter. We have asked her several times to provide proof of this liaison and nothing has been presented. I don't get it. People eat chocolate, and then come to complain that their teeth are rotten (assuming her story is true). Where is the honour in such behaviour?

Mr OP,

You are talking complete rubbish. No such seminars were organized by the Fed Ministry of Finance, coordinators of the YouWIN program. What are you even talking about? Some group used the name of YouWIN to fleece you of your money and told you to go collecting loan.

YouWIN money is a GRANT, not loan. You are not expected to payback and as far as I know, nobody who attended the Boot Camps here in the North East zone were asked to go borrowing any money. Why would they have to do so when the Fed Govt is already giving the awardees money?

Besides, YouWIN 2 was exclusively for women, and the awardees for YouWIN 1 have already received three trenches of their money, and about to receive the fourth and final trench.

So you need to explain what you really mean by that post!

Messilo: fool, where did you seeing doctor strike mitchhhhhhhhheewwwwwww

Men, you just read my mind. Many Nigerians don't think or read to understand the facts before they spill the garbage in their brains.

musKeeto: ^^^^
Zombie alert..

Yeah, watch out for me. I could dry your blood up..

azpekuliar: See how people waste their tithes..

As if na you give them the money to pay the tithe! See your mouth!

While I do not agree with some of the points raised by the OP and I do not share in some of his comparisons, I think we all agree on one thing:

"Touch not my anointed, and do My prophets no harm" is not an immunity clause. But it also does not prevent pastors the right to fair hearing.

The lady in the COZA case made an allegation and is yet to submit any kind of proof to back it up. Many people here and outside of Nairaland have been quick to pass judgement on the pastor without a TOTAL examination of the facts. Yet we criticize the Nigerian police when they shoot "innocent" (really innocent or not) people to death.

If the pastor cannot be given a fair hearing and Ese Walters cannot prove her case, then we have no right questioning any accidental discharge by the Nigerian police.

Akainzo: And before that dress with the sperm showed up, what the Bill Clinton say? Did he not deny VEHEMENTLY?

So where is Ese with her own dress? In 2013, you do not dish out stuff like that without proof.

skyfall: You sound like the church attorney, but being a past member of your church, you should still have her contacts. However you can reach her via her blog esewalter.. Let's know how it goes. But until then we the public are sticking with her story.

I am a Winners man. Everyone who has followed my religious posts knows me here. But the fact is: we need proof. I have experience in forensics and I can make a lot of money out of this if I decide to follow this case up from any of the two sides. I am just saying that we need to have proof of such allegations.

skyfall: That's not the point - everyone is born with a certain level of intelligence. But as soon as a discussion about pastors is started, most people simply drop their intelligence & start arguing mindlessly.

If you insult Jesus, an average Nigerian Xtian will leave you to God to judge. But if you insult their pastor, they'll slap you. Who are u worshipping then?

My friend, nobody here is God who knows everything. That is why we want proof. There are pastors who have been proven to have committed adultery and they paid the price. But when someone makes such a weighty allegation, it has to be backed up with proof. The Ese lady should show us the proof of these liaisons she claimed to have had with the COZA pastor. Abi the proof shows something more than she is letting out?

skyfall: @peedeeasobie

Maybe if the case gets to court your assistance could be needed. Now it's just common sense we're using.

The girl said she has proof; apparently she's just trying to protect the little dignity left in that so-called pastor & his congregation. That's why she hasn't brought it forward. But she promised to provide it in case the womanizing pastor denies the story.

Common sense tells me that if the guy was not guilty, he/the church would have released a statement denying it and threatening the girl with a lawsuit for defamation or whatever - it 's been 4 days since the story broke. Their continued silence & his beating around the bush with dumb parables tells me the story is true.

Oh I forgot, when it comes to issues of pastors & churches, most Nigerians suspend their common sense & start defending the indefensible.

So you that is defending the defensible, show me the evidence of the allegation. In my field of expertise, I deal with evidence. Not hearsay, not speculation.

The onus of proof is on the accuser, not on the accused. That is how most criminal justice systems work.

frosbel: I go die oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Of all people this MAN - Oh well no wonder.

Birds of the same feather flock together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO87c89oW3E

Excuse me you this frosbel man (or woman or she-man/tranny, whichever is the case...in our world now we do not know again). Since when did the unproven statement of one person prove that the allegations were true? Monica Lewinsky at least had a piece of underwear with Bill's DNA sample on it. Wetin dat Ese woman get to prove her allegation?

Cybertooth: Why are you against the church at all cost? We were taught about Man as higher animals in Biology/Integrated Science and not in Church. You now see why I said you and those fellows with your mentality are deluded??

Why are you wasting your time on a confirmed sooty mangabee who believes church is where they teach Biology classes? That alone should make you know he is of a lower frequency of reasoning. His kind are in the rain forests of Africa.

If the bank's condition is too stringent, try something else. Is Access bank the only place to get employment?

See what two lieutenants and a captain are doing...

Christ said: "greater works shall you do than these..."

It is God's will for every Christian to get close to Him to be endowed with power to solve life's challenges. People that always try to get close to pastors for favour and all what not are those who put themselves at risk.

I have never seen my pastor for one day. Never shaken hands with him. Never gone for any counselling sessions in recent past. I simply take the Word from the altar and run with it.

But many people run after miracles, looking for deliverance, impartation, always looking for those who will prophesy on their behalf. To what avail? When they get exposed and end up where they should not be, they come to nairaland and bore us with their long dissertations.

So Madam Ese Walters, if your story is true, you got what you were looking for. You wanted pastor's attention. That is why you got it. Assuming your story is true that is..

These gays are becoming too bold and need to be exterminated like flies so they do not contaminate our society. The day I hear that a teacher says to my kids' class at school that same-sex marriage is ok, I go do wetin go make people fear and me sef, I go fear!

He is not gay. Just a publicity stunt. I can come out as gay myself and yet be working on my woman jeje; who will come to my bedroom to confirm it?

jp philips: I saw that spy pen in a supermarket and it was selling for 6k in ph, does it really work? the guy said i will insert a memory card before it can record, walahi, olokpa will shoot anybody who brings out his phone these days. spy pen is the way forward

Purchase the cap instead. It works better and will film everything as you look at it.

I think the civil society groups should take the IGP to task on his anti-corruption promises. Report any corrupt cop immediately and forward any snapshots to the Police Service Commission. Let us flush these monkeys who give the police a bad name out of the force.

frosbel: Any Pastor who lives in luxury and opulence while his church members are broke and struggling to make two ends meet, is in great danger of damnation.

A Pastor who flies in a private Jet worth millions , while a church mother cannot afford to feed her kids has lost the plot and might be a charlatan.

Any Pastor who lives in a mansion worth millions , while a father in the church cannot pay his house rent and bills has to be a charlatan.

Any Pastor who calls poverty a disease instead of an opportunity to do charity is a crook.

Any Pastor who preaches on Money more than any other subject is definitely a crook.

Any Pastor who abuses , bullies and intimates his broke members because they cannot pay tithes should be arrested and charged with extortion.

Any pastor who keeps the books to himself and team , despite the money belonging to the church members, should be asked to show transparency in all matters of finance , if he refuses, he should be investigated for fraud.

Any Pastor who asks you to hope for Money instead of working for Money is a rogue.

Any Pastor who is close friends to politicians and dubious business men is a compromiser and Demas.

Be warned !!

Which of such pastors have you told this face to face? If you were so concerned about their salvation and their Book of Life status, why not talk to them one on one instead of coming to Nairaland to score cheap popularity points? With your long verbiage, who have you helped? I even doubt you are a Christian when you claim to be one, else you would know what the bible said about what to do when a brother is in the wrong.