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ola_pluto: 20 seconds to ref whistle, you're in opponent's half, Onazi with the ball, SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE CORNER FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The I.di.ot decided to go for goal with Ahmed Musa and IK Uche! Seriously?? Pissed. Headache..

ola_pluto: 20 seconds to ref whistle, you're in opponent's half, Onazi with the ball, SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE CORNER FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The I.di.ot decided to go for goal with Ahmed Musa and IK Uche! Seriously?? Pissed. Headache..

Can't believe it. So many scenarios to have rescued the game.

a) Musa should have taken the ball to the corner flag.
b) Ike Uche should not have tried the one-two. Hold the ball and try to weave and draw a free-kick.
c) Ok, they lost the ball, and it was a 3 on 4 situation. Obuabona should have held off making the tackle. Ok, he did not hold off. He went in. Now if you go in for the tackle in that situation, you either win the ball, or take out the striker. The worst you get is a yellow card. He did neither.
d) Now the Burkinabes play the one-two and they are in the 18 yard box. No more tackles can be made by Nigerian defenders at this point. The team on the ascendancy, trailing by a single goal with seconds to go on a goal scoring opportunity will get the referee's sympathy on any tackle made at that juncture. Yobo and Obuabona both should have taken responsibility for the final clearance. You come in the way the two of them did, you are not coming to trap the ball. You are coming to clear it, and this is where they both made the mistake; trying to trap the ball coming in at full speed. That was where it was blown.

Basic rules of defending I played with in the early 90s in school. Can't believe that professionals in 2013 cannot do what they needed to have done to seal the game.

obadiah777: FAREWELL BRAH. AND STAY AWAY FROM OTHER MENS VAIN OPINIONS. SCRIPTURE IS NOT OF PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS. STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED BROTHER. ASSUME DILIGENCE TO MAKE YOUR ELECTION SURE. WE ARE AT THE DOORSTEPS OF WW3. THIS IS NOT A TIME TO BE FOLLOWING MEN. WAS NICE BREAKING BREAD WITH YOU. IRON SHARPENS IRON MY BROTHER

So if a robber enters your house and starts despoiling your wife before your eyes, you will sit back, and when he is through, you will tell him "bless you. My bible says thou shalt not kill, therefore go in peace"...SERIOUSLY? Is that what you will do, or will you look for the nearest object that is capable of slitting the bagger's throat?

When my fellow Christians display a level of unfathomable stupidity that renders one speechless, I marvel. David (whose star is still used in Isreal today), a man whom God said was after His own heart, whom God swore and repeatedly saved Judah (..for the sake of my servant David...) time and time again, was a very sound warrior.

Abraham recovered Lot and his family with his private army of 318 servants.

As a Christian, if I am in the army, I WILL KILL AS MANY AS THOSE MOFOS AS POSSIBLE. There is no place in this world for Islamic militants. They only belong in one place: HELL! And our soldiers are about to send them there in numbers.

All terrorists are vandals! Our soldiers will issue them some serious bitterness!

victorD3: Well I still feel we have outgrown such toy looking AK 47 rifles.

Btw imagine crested numbers on the gun, I bet handlers name and family history is written there. If you lose your gun! God punish satan and Boko Haram.

The AK-47 was designed for war. Maybe you should get hit by 1 bullet and see what it does to you.

bigrovar: If you decide to sure your ignorance online for the whole world to see that is your problem. I knew when I posted this that the cynicism casue it's cool brigade would show their head to find something sinister to say.

Addressing your points. when deploying in a conflict zone. come out fully armed and ready. Bamako as it stands now is not safe. We are getting reports of rebels infiltration has been reported in the city and rebels columns have been sighted less than 400km from bamako.. What is the rebels decide to give the Nigerian a special welcome? what happens then? When entering conflict zone one has to be ready for anything as the situation is very fluid and anything can happen. In one of the pictures you can see an unsmiling mean looking Soldier standing guard why is comrade disembark. That is how it's done. Make no mistake this is not a picnic.. This is war. not african nations cup.. anything can happen and one can not be too careful

Thank you my brother. Ignorant civilians just talk anyhow!

doctokwus: Our things always dfferent& always we appear not to know what to do.Why disembark frm d transport aircraft wt guns @combat positions;d rebels were dfinitely not @ d airport.More organised settings disembark wt guns far off sight& begin to prepare demselves @ d camp

Stupid argument. What does the word COMBAT READINESS mean?

In 1990, ECOMOG forces were met by Charles Taylors NPFL forces at Monrovia port. Only fools do not learn from the past. If you have nothing better to say, I suggest you keep quiet and let the experts in military matters talk!

Most fighter planes including the old-fashioned MiGs and Alpha jets that NAF has are supersonic. So what is the big deal?

SA may just be in for a big surprise tomorrow.

What is an unmarried girl doing with two strange guys unchaperoned at that time of the night? Doesn't she have parents? Parents of today are not doing their job at all!

Why can't people ride bicycles? I was in PH during last year's fuel strike and people were riding bicycles on Aba Road and other places.

Naija people no dey try at all.

There is a need for us to be very objective about the policy. This policy was to be implemented in 2006, which was why the Abuja Leasing Company was setup with the procurement of the so-called "El-Rufai" buses. The essence was to reduce the vehicle density on Abuja roads, reduce the chaotic traffic situation in Wuse, Berger and other places CAUSED BY THESE SAME ARABA BUS DRIVERS, and promote a cleaner, saner traffic culture.

Given, the method of implementation was simply not the way to go about it, but this is a policy that has been long overdue. You need to see what these bus drivers do on the road. Cause accidents, cause traffic, and their tout mentality just creates problems.

In developed cities across the world, there is a much saner transportation system. When BRF banned the molues in Lagos, people screamed and abused him. Today is Lagos not the better for it?

Nigerians should learn to change with the times. We cannot allow the bus drivers turn Abuja into another pre-Fashola Lagos. The roads are clearer and cleaner, and when the rail project is completed, commuters will have another safe and fast means of transportation.

I was given a bill of N250,000 and I told them I was not going to pay. How can I pay for prepaid meter and three years after, I don't get it? I warned the NEPA people that next time they come to my house to collect it, my Caucasian dogs will be the ones to answer the gate.

ehie: What a stoopid man
1.blood is thicker than water
2.sadist,fighthing till she was dripping with blood is sadistic and heartless
3.fighting a woman...what a joke
4.i would never marry a man who will forget his own blood because of kitten,i could die and he would replace me but can he replace his sister...i like people with principles..he is a joke
5.what are they teaching their children,its ok to beat your brother and sister,its ok to beat women ,its okay to fight..
6.he is a stoopid man

Maybe you should get married and have your husband's sister trying to teach him how to treat you and interfering in your marriage at the slightest provocation.

wlex8: I need you guys to comment on this, how right is it for one to beat up his elder sister for his wife?

This is a true life story

His family would love to have him and his wife separated if possible and this has been going on for a while, they believe she is not a good wife.

Recently, his wife and his elder sister had exchange of words somewhere, later the same day, the sister came to their house with intention to fight with the wife over the nasty things she said about her

The wife kept the house door locked so she could not gain entrance into the house to avoid further confrontation, she later alerted her husband on the phone that his sister has come to kill her

When the husband eventually came and met his sister outside, he tried to settle their quarrel all to no avail, he also insisted the sister must not enter the house

This resulted in a fight, he finally whipped and beat up his elder sister (another man's wife) to the extent that she was dripping with blood

Question: Can you beat up your elder sister for your wife, how can this issue be resolved as every member of his family are against him including his mother, should he go and beg them or not?

Good for the sister. How can a woman leave her husband's house to go and fight her brother's wife? That woman must be mad.

Pacemaker: Just recently a Nigerian car dealer based in Houston was given 15k dollars to buy a camry for a client based in Nigeria, he decided to use a short cut and then purchased a flooded car from hurricane sandy without the owner's consent. As we speak, the car could not start and he was told that it will cost him 10k dollars to change all the electrucal parts which includes labor. Meanwhile the car was shipped from NYC to Houston which was close to 800 dollars. Its been one month and the owner of the car have not heard from the Nigerian car dealer. Dude is running around Houston begging people to help him with cash to pay off his debt. Don't allow greed put you in a difficult situation. Labor in America is not cheap and mechanics that repair such cars charges between 45 to 70 dollars an hour. I recently bought a Range Rover Sports in Cali from auction for some one in Abuja and the car was less than 26k dollars including shipping

That is God in action for you.

How can one outside Germany get a car and have it taken to the port and shipped without a contact? It seems a bid impediment.

igbsam: Hey guys, i came across the auctionexport website and most cars there are flooded cars. Some wont start and some do start. Is it advisable to go for the ones that starts ? I am considering getting some cars from there. Not cos they are cheap but because i needed them both for commercial and personal use. Would like to know if buying the ones that starts would pose any risk or danger. Thanks for your response in advance.

igbsam: Hey guys, i came across the auctionexport website and most cars there are flooded cars. Some wont start and some do start. Is it advisable to go for the ones that starts ? I am considering getting some cars from there. Not cos they are cheap but because i needed them both for commercial and personal use. Would like to know if buying the ones that starts would pose any risk or danger. Thanks for your response in advance.

Buy the ones from the West Coast and avoid those listed from NY, NJ, MD and the eastern coast.

qualified: i really dont think d Sienna guy lives in Nigeria or has experienced this police madness over Engine no.

I wish he would have an experience, then he can tell us how his approach will work. Then he will know that Naija and the UK are as different as black and white.

My parents gave me life, fed me, sent me to school and did not abort me or dump me in a garbage can. There is no amount of offense my parents will commit against me (and there have been a few) that I will not forgive them for. They are my heroes anyday.

Siena: Jucol, an interesting thread.

The fact remains, the majority of automobile owners in Nigeria simply refuse to educate themselves. They will buy an automobile, yet never do the simple thing, carry out online research. Most don't know the engine size of their own vehicles! If you ask, they'll simply say "4 plug" or "V6". That's it. I find it unbelievable that in this day and age, one wouldn't know what they're driving.

And this is nothing to do with the Nigerian Government. Yes, there should be more records, but the onus lies with the owner of an automobile to know what they drive. Some don't even know the trim level - L, GL, XL, XLE, SLX, GTI, GT etc. Little wonder one would go from driving a Nissan Sunny 1,4L for 5 years, then switch to a Nissan Maxima 3,0 V6. Then complain of poor gas mileage. Ask what engine size their automobile has, they can't tell you.

a 16-year-old kid, male or female, shopping around for their first car they'll be legal to drive when they turn 17, know exactly what they're looking for. Yet grown men in Nigeria with access to the internet have no idea if the automobile they bought 9 years ago has a 1,4 / 1,6 / 1,8 / 2,0 or even a 3,0 engine. Which of course leads to confusion if ever they wish to order parts from Europe or the US. If you don't know the basics of your vehicle, how would the faceless person 7,000+ miles away be able to help you?

I thought the emphasis of the article was on why the Nigerian Police make it a habit to always want to look for things to use in trapping vehicle owners, an why it is mandatory to get a police permit when changing the engine of your vehicle in Nigeria if you don't want to be branded a robber or distributor of stolen engine parts. It has nothing to do with the car owner knowing about his vehicle.

Siena: Viper, I don't want to appear rude here. But you're not making much sense.

I don't have to experience a flooded car to make my observation. The fact is, a can that's been submerged in salt water will never be the same. We probably have different opinions on what a car that still drives after being under water entails. You keep harping on about "Lagos floods". Were the recent floods salt water?

I know how conductive saline is, if a current is passed through it! And I know what happens to any semiconductor material that's subjected to saline with power connected to it. You fry the circuits, simple. I'm sure folk have dropped their cellphones into water, and seen the results. Now take a modern automobile that's 10 times more complex, and has more than 100 times the circuitry your phone has, and tell me that after a saline bath, you'll get 10/10 circuits ALL survive?

If you've had to pay out for an ECU and instrument cluster for a 2011 BMW 535D you'd be singing a different tune. Then found someone to code the lot to allow the car to run. I'm sure you know all this, yet you just casually say all you need to buy is an ECU,and all will be well, like ECU's cost pennies.

By all means, buy flooded automobile, but don't misinform potential buyers of the risks associated with these purchases, and give them the impression that all a flooded car needs is fluid changes, drying out and a replacement ECU to function at 100%, because that's far from the truth.

Bottom line is, there's no way to gauge the damage flooding will do to an automobile. I'm not referring to an automobile you already own that got flooded. I'm talking about going out there to buy a vehicle that's been submerged in salt water. No mechanic can tell how much it'll cost to put right, all that can be done is replace an array of control modules till the car can function. And with each replacement, the owner's bill gets higher, till he / she's past the point of no return. And may well end up paying more for a vehicle, than if they'd bought a straight one to start with.

There are two guys here commenting, who have had the misfortune to get into this trap, I've sent a total of 9 control units between the pair of them, and their cars still aren't right. One's a 2009 Range Rover Sport, the other a 2011 Jaguar XF Supercharged. I've had notification last Thursday the Jaguar needs a replacement supercharger, and as I'm typing, I've received a quote - £1,875 + VAT (£2,250 / 567,000 Naira) and core charge, core charge is £350 + VAT (£420 / 106,000 Naira. Shipping cost yet to be determined, as I have no idea the weight. The owner has searched high and low for a used one locally, and so have I. No dice. I feel as bad as if these were my own cars. Perhaps one of these guys will tell you how much they've spent so far, since November 2012.

And before you say "all my surmissions are based upon internet trawling", think again. I run a garage, and work on all manner of automobile on a daily basis, and that includes flooded ones.

Siena, the guy is making a lot of sense in terms of PRACTICAL experiences. Just because he is coming from another angle does not make him wrong, and that also does not make you wrong as well.

The truth is NO ONE CAN TELL THE EXTENT OF DAMAGE THAT FLOODING DOES TO A CAR, as you rightly pointed out. It is relative. Some will come out unscathed, some will not and others will be somewhere in between. I have used a car that was not flooded but gave me lots of issues. And it was not even an OBD compliant vehicle.

It is all relative. Nothing in this world is a complete ABSOLUTE!

Siena: Salt or fresh water?

When you have an Atlantic ocean surge into Bayelsa, coupled with flood water from River Niger, Benue and its tributaries, I would not consider that fresh water would I? Besides, the water in Lagos has high salt and iron content: that cannot be fresh water can it?

viperman: Its one thing to say what you know and another to say what you've not experienced. Recently, lagos floods have been crazy....sometimes, even above car level. My brother's 2005 accord was covered some few inches to roof level in the last rain flood last year or last two years.(Those who live in deep parts of adeniran ogunsanya, surulere can attest to this flood). He still drives the car happily to work after engine, gear and other car parts wee drained of water intrusion.
This same flood affected many peoples cars i know about....including BMWs; they are all still use their cars as you read this without major repairs.

I also know of three people who live in lekki/victoria island axis who had their cars flooded above dashboard level. The rain water mixed with the sea water was salty those cars still drive well 12 months after. I don't think the water from Nature in America is different from the one in Nigeria...the problem is we the Nigerians and our mentality. Whatever the whiteman says/feels is bad....we say its bad without checking.

Last year, in my home town in delta state, we all say how crazy flood ravaged parts of the towns covering upto rooftops of houses(cars inclusive). My uncles 2005 C-class was submerged in that flood(River niger water). After towing it out, he left it for a month to dry up, and had a mechanic drain the car of all oils, steam flushed the car, flushed the engine with new oils, de-coupled the whole doormats and allowed the car to to dry for a couple of days again incase of any water left; I believed he also changed the brainbox and car battery afterwhich the car was back alive again.

Its not a case of what we read on the internet, but what we experience first-hand ourselves just like in the case of Miles-per-gallon reviews which turn out slightly different when we measure it first-hand of live-drives. Yes, you might say flooded cars are bad because some electricals would have been damaged...are they ir-repairable? No! They are repairable. That is why car manufacturers make spare-parts incase of accidents, man-made or natural disasters where the car is involved...you buy the new part and replace it with the damaged part, and continue enjoying your car.

The guys in the USA and canada can afford to junk their cars immediately it swims in even bumper-level flood(something we do here regularly) because they have Insurance that cry after them on everything even to their cooking gas. So at any slightest discomfort in the car, they'd probably ask for replacement of the entire car from the insurance so they enjoy their lease period. here, we mostly buy our cars with our cash upfront..and most people hardly run comprehensive insurance. Hence, when an issue of such comes up, they fix it and continue enjoying their cars for years after.

Bottom-line, when your car is flooded....get an experienced auto-center or auto-mechanic to help diagnose, flush the system and replace faulty electrical parts.
From experience, Toyotas and Hondas seem to survive floods best with little or no repairs to be made most times...worst-cases have just been replacement of brain-boxes which are readily available in the market.

This is my opinion based on first-hand experience.

MY GUY, YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.

Siena: Come on, bro! A car that's already owned getting flooded is one thing, buying one that's been submerged is quite a different case scenario. Besides, we're talking mostly salt water and silt. Very destructive.

Lagos floods that get up to just above the bumpers is nowhere near as bad as an automobile that's sat in salt water above the dash, sometimes for days.

You are obviously out of touch with the degree of flooding that we have been witnessing in Nigeria for the last 4 years. No one is talking about bumper level immersion. We are talking about FULL SUBMERSION. Or did you not hear of the flooding that swept across 26 states to the extent that hippos were living in people's houses? Is that bumper level immersion?

As far as I know, flooded cars and not complete ship wrecks. It depends on the extent of flooding. Besides, a typical car owner in Naija who has bought a Tokunbo vehicle will be changing parts for at least the first 6 months until some sort of stability is achieved. Those who live in places like PH or Lagos where there is constant flooding from rain will always have their cars exposed to some degree of flooding.

So though I am no car expert, I do not subscribe to the notion that flood damaged vehicles are total write offs. Maybe in the US and other places where cars are bought new and the owners expect to ride them for 5 to 10 years and still get second hand value from them.

In Naija, people ride used vehicles and do not expect any third hand value from them after three or four years. In this case, I doubt that the owners would be excessively worried about flood damage.

FXKing2012: I think the divorce settlement law should be introduced in Nigeria to protect women as well as the child support law to protect children. Any civilized society ought to have such laws in place to protect women and children.

What is your take on this?

My take on this is that you are one of those people who want to further destroy the fabric of our society with these alien cultures. I have had many friends who came from broken homes and where the fathers continued to fund their education, upkeep, everything.

In America, men are not responsible, especially black men. They go around having children like rabbits when they can't even tie down a job. Naija guys are hardworking and are born hustlers. Go to any African country and hear what the women say about their men compared to Naija guys.

We don't need these alien laws in our society where there is still a lot of sanity. Tomorrow they will come out to say we should allow gay marriage and gay couples to adopt kids from orphanages...GOD PASS DEVIL!

occam: What important questions? The thread is on dangers of buying flooded cars. Stay on topic and stay off my comments if you don't like the info I provided

Sorry sah!

PDPwayoo: not a small thing oooo. Im very scared to test but my partner test every there months....
Sometimes, i have unprotected s3x which is very regrettable immediately i finish the fun. im scared since i came back from Africa recently cos i did it without protection repeatedly with my gf and several girls when condom break and i decide to finish it with the risk.

This is sheer stupidity on your part.

occam: My goal is to better inform folks. Do you have any problem with that?

Besides If you google "flooded cars from sandy" you can get more information from reliable sites and experts

And you think those of us who are asking some pertinent questions have no access to these copy and paste websites of yours?

occam: Hope you enjoy your car but here is the risk:

Flood-damaged vehicles can be extremely unsafe to drive because water — especially corrosive seawater — can compromise the electronic and computer systems that control every major system in a modern car, from the engine to steering, brakes and airbags.

Also, the cars could be contaminated by bacteria and unknown toxins from the mix of storm water and sewage from overloaded drainage systems. This very worrisome

My friend, stop copying from websites and give us your own informed opinion.

This guy is just lifting from this website: thepassinglane.ca. Pls stay off the thread if you will just come here to regurgitate what you copied from another website verbatim.

occam: My answer makes sense since this is what most unscrupulous sellers in Nigeria will do. Full disclosure is an alien practice in Nigerian market

Canadian recently advised it's people not to buy flooded Sandy cars because they are classified as "non-repairable"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/auto-buyers-beware-of-flood-damaged-cars-icbc-warns/article5925586/

This is a much better way to put across your point. However, we do know that "non-repairable" is an insurnce classification, and not based on the true state of the vehicle. In a flood situation, some cars will definitely be more damaged than others.

iykemyke: flooded car is not good. My friends car was submerged in flood water at ejigbo, before he could get technician to fix the car it took him eight months after so many tries by different technicians until he was directed to tyre carriage at marshall kilo, yes they did try, fixed the car but after two months the car is not same again and as i type this he has abandoned the car. The car is nissan primera.

This brings us to another issue. WHO IS QUALIFIED TO HANDLE A FLOODED CAR? A roadside mechanic or a specialist car shop?

Was the repair checklist followed?

I had a car which was exposed to flood water in Port Harcourt. Though I got it out of the place after 30 mins, I had some jerking issues for 3 days after which the car readjusted itself and rode well till today. No mechanic work, nothing.

I guess the issue of flooded vehicles is one that we can write a dissertation on.