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musKeeto:Not everyone is called to the healing ministry. Even St. Paul said it. Some are called to be teachers, some preachers, some evangelists. You just identify what you are and fit in. The most important thing is to live a Christ-like life. Part of it is that Christ said: "judge not that ye be not judged". I like the post of someone who said that God will judge all things in the last day. |
Any Christian can choose to identify with either Abraham, the richest in his time who had an army of 318 servants born in his house (which means their parents were under his employment) OR identify with Lazarus who was described as being poor and begged from the rich man's gate continually. Both went to heaven (as seen from that story Jesus told). But one had more impact on people's lives. The other constituted a nuisance to himself and his family. There are too many hypocrites here who believe Christians and men of God should be poor, walking around and begging for offerings. Thank God people like Bishop Oyedepo have radically turned it all around to prove that there is nothing bad in being rich as a Christian. You can touch more lives and help more people. I have personally paid the house rent of many of my staff repeatedly and many of these ones will kill for me if they had to. Imagine if I had been unable to do so when they approached me for help. Will they love or hate me? They would hate me and start stealing from my business. If i had stuck to the "poor as church rat" Christianity of the days of my parents, I wonder how my life would have been today. I identify with the "riches in Christ" philosophy. Jesus taught it, Paul taught it, many prophets in the bible taught it. I have seen a lot of human suffering and while I identify with Mother Theresa and her great work on planet earth, I see her views on poverty as very extreme. I would have loved to see her donate money to procure HIV drugs to the millions of orphans who needed it, or put money into HIV research and not just visit them in hospital. Even the bible said it. if your brother has a need and you can fill that need, prayers alone will not cut it. Do something physical to solve that need. Without money, it cannot be done. Many people here do not know what is done by the many churches today in the area of poverty alleviation and charity work. All they do is criticize. |
rhymz:I think you want me to release some spiritual stuff on you. Maybe then you will know what stuff I am made of. You don't know me. |
uhonmora:Let me ask you a question: How many books has Bishop Oyedepo sold since he started ministry 35 years ago? If you do not have the answer to that question, then you have no right to accuse anyone for using the gospel for anything. Both of us will be here and the man will buy another private jet. Erastus Akingbola and his fellow bank chiefs that were using depositors money to buy private jet, landed property, etc: WHERE ARE THEY NOW? IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR A MAN OF GOD TO STEAL FROM HIS CONGREGATION FOR AS LONG AS 35 YEARS WITHOUT IT COMING INTO THE OPEN THAT THE MAN IS A FRAUD! Go and do your research into how Bishop Oyedepo makes his money. I say it again: church offering can never pay for even a plane engine. The man has more business acumen than goats like rhymzy. I don't criticize such people. I read their books, study their lives and find out how they made it. If I see someone riding a private jet, I will sit down and creatively think of how to do it, not criticize blindly! Only people who have poverty of learning criticize what they don't know and what they can't comprehend. |
rhymz:Na you wey stone go smash im head, you bloody retarded piece of cow dung! Go and work hard and buy your own jet. Bishop Oyedepo started ministry even before your mother dropped you into this world. Don't open your stupid nna meen mouth to abuse people who have worked hard to be where they are, you piece of pigeon droppings! ![]() Whatever you have to offer, I will give it to you. Bumboclaat dog! |
rhymz:Retarded cretin. A man writes more than 20 books selling millions of copies worldwide. How many have you written? What product have you brought to the human marketplace? Retarded cretins like you are incapable of developing any creative product that achieves a wide appeal. That is why you sit down, call people church rats, and yarn rubbish. Go shove your hate and beef down your poverty-stricken, retarded anus! ![]() |
justwise:You are an even dumber cretin! Your dumbness knows no bounds. HOW MUCH OF CHURCH OFFERING CAN BUY FOUR PRIVATE JETS? CRETIN SQUARED! ![]() |
rhymz:You are a cretin. Take a bucket, fill it with faeces and shove it all down your throat. Then take your comments, and shove them all up your anus. Broke dudes like you are the gullible suckers who cannot make anything out of life, therefore they just sit here and type rubbish. Well let me give you a way out. You can jerk off on your comments and take more of them and give yourself an backside-banging. Certified cretin! |
surveycash:I have plenty of web design jobs. Do you have knowledge of php and Java? What I even need now are those who can develop mobile applications. That is where I am branching into right now. You can always hit me up. Let's talk business of the future and leave these people who can only see offering money as the way out for pastors. They will never talk of the millions of lives being touched in terms of the various missions programs being organized by churches like Winners, Redeemed, Daystar, Dunamis, Salvation Ministries, etc. |
[quote author=maxpro-xl link=topic=681393.msg8452417#msg8452417 date=1307178816]how much is N4.2billion. its about $28million. only 28 individuals will "willingly" donate $1million to acquire the jet. THERE ARE TWO THINGS IN LIFE. ITS EITHER YOU'RE PITIED OR YOU'RE ENVIED IN LIFE. MOST OF YOU PITY POOR PASTORS BUT WHY ENVY PASTORS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS & HAVE EMERGED AS A UNIQUE PRODUCT. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF GIVING. its not compulsory but its the only way to command divine blessings. HOW MANY OF YOU HATERS PAY TITHES NOT TO TALK OF OFFERING. THATS THE REASON WHY YOU WILL NEVER GO BEYOND YOUR SALARY AND CONTINUE GOING AROUND A VISCIOUS CIRCLE OF POVERTY. THERE ARE FIVE WAYS YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR FINANCIAL STATUS THIS YEAR. 1. CREATE MULTIPLE STREAMS OF INCOME, 2. ACQUIRE FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE THROUGH TRAINING, 3. CHANGE YOUR POVERTY MIND SET, 4. DEDICATE YOURSELF TO GIVING AND 5. NETWORK WITH THE RICH ANY PASTOR THAT STEALS CHURCH MONEY WILL DIRECTLY COME UNDER A CURSE. BISHOP OYEDEPO IS ONE OF THE ICONS I HAVE MET WITH VERY STRICT FINANCIAL DISCIPLINE who is dedecated to a specific VISION and DIVINE MANDATE. for your information, more universities will be established after COVENANT & LAND-MARK. now lets do some maths. A N1000 book x over 7million copies = over N7billion sold worldwide in 2006 alone. david oyedepo is not the only pastor that publishes books in winners chapel or in NIGERIA but he is one of the best marketers. they use both off-line and on-line(internet) marketing strategies. his books sells on amazon, facebook, yahoo & ebay. MY PASTOR. SAM ADEYEMI of DAYSTAR BECAME A MILLIONAIRE FROM A SINGLE BOOK called PARABLE OF DOLLARS. now thats doing business with INTEGRITY while promoting PERSONAL TRANFORMATION.[/quote]Please tell them. 1 book, sold at N2,000 to 10 million people worldwide. How much is that? N20billion. Enough to purchase a Gulfstream V. And some ignorant fools here will be talking of church offering. NO CHURCH OFFERING CAN PAY FOR JET. GIVE BISHOP OYEDEPO KUDOS FOR DEVELOPING SOUND BUSINESS IDEAS THAT HAVE MADE HIM A BILLIONAIRE. This is a guy who has been in ministry for 30 years plus. 30 years is not 30 days. |
rhymz:YOU ARE AN IDIOT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. YOU ARE VERY STUPID TO CALL ME DUMB AND CHILDISH. You can never in your lifetime build the businesses I have built from nothing. It is losers like you who sit down to keep criticizing people up and down. Whether you like it or not, Bishop Oyedepo has made his money. You are a donw-low loser who cannot make anything out of life, so you vent your frustration on those who have made it. Idiot! ![]() |
musKeeto:I am happy you mentioned this. Covenant University is a business concern. That university pays the highest salaries for any university in Nigeria. If you tell me students have to pay for calls, etc, then that would explain ONE SOURCE of income for the bishop. If you tell me about the sales figures for his numerous books which are read widely in the Christian world, then that would explain ANOTHER SOURCE of income. If you tell me about the fees paid by students in Covenant University, that would be ANOTHER SOURCE OF INCOME. Whether we like it or not, the Bishop has great business sense. He writes books and sells them, and has various business ventures that pay for all the glitteratti you see. Maybe people do not know it, but Presidents give him gifts. A president of a country will not give a N500,000 gift. That is chicken change. If a president gives you a gift, you should know how much that is. What I will not subscribe to is people saying that OFFERINGS are what paid for the planes, because we all know that is a load of crap. Offerings cannot pay for even an engine of a jet. |
justwise:Why don't you tell us where you think the money was made, then I will tell you where the money was made. You take the population of Winners members, multiply by what you think the average offering is. Then deduct the money that is used to pay school fees of thousands of indigent children. Also subtract the millions that is given to indigent ministries for ministry work. Also subtract what is given to orphans and widows monthly by the ministry. Then also deduct all that is given by Winners to various charity causes, the free feeding programmes, etc. THEN YOU WORK OUT THE MATHS HERE FOR US ALL TO SEE, HOW MUCH OFFERING MONEY CAN BUY A JET. FOOL! ![]() |
Years back when the man was trekking, going to the mountain to pray and birthing the ministry more than 30 years ago, no one was talking. Now people are making noise because Winners Chapel (not even the man) has 4 planes. The likes of Bankole are busy buying houses for their girlfriends in Maitama; no one dey make noise. But when Bishop buys a plane, it must be offering from church. How much church offering can buy a jet? Please, STOP ALL THE DISSING. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BUY A JET SHOULD GO AND WORK OUT BUSINESS HE CAN DO TO GET ONE. PERIOD! |
The ladies in the house have suddenly gone silent. ![]() There are always two sides to a coin. No justification for violence in any marriage from any side. |
Somebody on radio summarized it very well: THEY LOVE AFRICAN DCK! Its performance is second to none and it comes with a money back guarantee. ![]() |
You have just got a foretaste of what is to come. Some of us in the institution called marriage have seen some things but we thank God. It is better you saw this now when you can run. Not when it is too late. RUN FOR YOUR DEAR LIFE! |
Seanpoe:It is good you mentioned that you were staying at Sheraton, because it enabled the real motive for her wanting to follow you to come out into the open, just the way typical Abuja girls are. Greedy and money-conscious! And to think we have some girls here who were justifying such behaviour. |
Chelsea is too proud to study Man Utd's example. It took Sir Alex 6 years of buying, selling, buying, selling to get the right mix of players to deliver the first trophy of his coaching career there in 1992, with a 2-1 win over, yes, Barcelona in the European Cup Winners Cup final. You don't buy a coach and expect him to work miracles in 2 years on a team that has many players above 32 years (a team in transition). This is what happens when people with some money but who do not know anything about the game think they can win everything by throwing money at it. |
My frank answer: YOU WOULD BE A FOOL TO LEAVE YOUR WIFE AND KIDS. If anything happens, your wife will ensure that nothing happens to your kids. They are hers as well. People do not usually realize the essence of having a wife of your youth into old age. It is when you are 80 years, vulnerable and entering your second childhood that you will know why you should not ever dream of leaving your wife. |
Cherechy:What girl. not into corporate runs will go around accepting gifts from men the way your friend does? YOU EVEN HAD THE TEMERITY TO CALL THE LAWYER WHO GAVE HER A BB A 'MUGU", putting a stamp of approval on your friend's action. We don't care what you read in the university or what you are doing for money in Abj. We also certainly don't give two damns about where you stay. YOU ARE NOT PAYING ANYONE'S HOUSE RENT HERE, SO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE THE STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT WHETHER APACHE CAN OR CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THE RENT IN THE PLACE YOU ARE STAYING. If you live in Maitama and you are paying rent, are you better than anyone who has his own house in any of the suburbs? We are all graduates here. Some of us are well traveled and when we come here to talk about behavioural patterns of ladies here, you should not just don't come here to talk things you do not know and talking as if all of us are illiterates. ![]() |
apache77:You have just fired a missile from the Apache helicopter. Don't mind these Americana girls that come out here to talk what they don't know. I deliberately refused to reply to it because I would have used very harsh words. WHO WILL OPEN HER MOUTH TO SAY THAT GUYS WHO SPEND THE EQUIVALENT OF A BANKER'S ENTRY LEVEL SALARY IN TWO DAYS OF CLUBBING IS "MANAGING'? |
I am going to respond to some of the things that have been said. It is a well known fact, that in Abuja, the girls are the ones who keep running after the guys. Take a trip to the National Assembly or go to some other well known spots. Even in the so-called decent places. I have once been slipped a note by my gateman from a girl who lives in a compound next door. Content: she has been watching me for a while and she likes me, and wonders if we can hook up. See me see wahala o. Girl wey I no even know, don dey watch me for a while. Another one slipped me a note somewhere through a bartender. She came there with her boyfriend o, yet was slipping me notes. One gave me her number in a party, saying that I should not let her boyfriend know. The boyfriend is a friend of mine. I am not saying there are exceptions. I have met good ones who are not into those runs. But the fact remains that the percentage of money-conscious babes in Abj is like 90%. Even the ones who are looking for marriage, indirectly use the things they see in Abj to set unnecessary high standards for their fiances. Why? |
REALITY101:At least we have some honest people here. Not these self-righteous guys who come pontificating for us here as if they have never succumbed to the temptation of women. |
sayso:See pot wey dey call charcoal black. You be honest. How many girls have you laid in the last one year? have you been faithful? If you have, you would have no business reading the ROMANCE section. ![]() |
I can see the moderator has pegged this on the home page, but with an incorrect link. Please correct. |
Messi is nowhere near Maradona, talkless of Pele or Zidane. I was privileged to watch the 1986 World Cup where Maradona shone like a star, and followed his career throughout. The guy was too much. Pele is in another class. No one comes close. Zidane? A father! What he used to do from when I first saw him as a substitute in a World Cup Qualifier in 1992 till he retired was just too much. Messi dey try, but he is nowhere near these greats. |
But you see, I still ask my question. Why should a girl walk in and ask you to buy her Moet for N20,000? It's like this. Once I was in Kryxtal with a friend of mine. Then a girl with whom he had a one night stand about three years back, walked up to him. It was like: " hey long time. How you dey?" And all that kind of stuff. Next question by the girl. "Please buy me a bottle of Moet". (I won't tell you if he did or not. He may be reading this). One week later, same girl walks up to him in the same place. This time, we were leaving the club. Now she came to ask for money. This time, my guy was peeved and flatly refused. Now she doesn't talk to him again. My question is: why should it all be about money? Can't two grown-ups just meet and have fun for the fun of it? It doesn't even have to end up in bleeping for the night. I tell you, in Naija we have got this all wrong. This is the point of my discussion. Which is why I took string exception to someone saying "Abuja girls are too hot and expensive for you". Why the hell should girls in a place be classified as too hot and expensive, when I can just go across to some of our African neighbours and have the same experience, sans d'argent? |
190:The question was: how much does Champagne cost? CHAMPAGNE. Not just any spirit. Moet, VSOP and the rest cost cheaper than champagne. |
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