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elampiro: What have you said differently now?

Who are members of the curia? Cardinals. So see how your supposed humble Pope rubbished Cardinals in the face of unbelievers just for his own fame. Also note the difference between his use of courtiers and Court.

If he has something bad to correct why can't he just correct it?

So what is heads of church? Previous Popes.

I thought you said a Pope was infallible, so where did the word 'leprosy' come from? Is there suppose to be any such word associated with papacy? Keep making defences? You have a long way to go.

You really need that therapy abi retreat you are undergoing, please go back to it, your ignorance, hatred and lies are becoming embarrassing.

elampiro: Read the bold part again.

Heads of the church (The Popes) have often been narcissists, flattered and thrilled by their courtiers (members of the curia). The court (curia) is the leprosy of the papacy. - Pope Francis

You have sworn to defend these anti Catholic remarks. Now I begin to wonder what you are working for? You are notorious for twisting the obvious. How long are you going to defend lies and antichristian teachings?

We shall see.

Hahahahahaha, See how you are making inputs into the Popes speech. The Interviewer made it clear that he got clarifications that he wasn't talking of the curia. You wouldn't see it would you?

Interviewer:The leprosy of the papacy, those were his exact words. But what is the court? Perhaps he is alluding to the curia?

Pope Francis: "No, there are sometimes courtiers in the curia, but the curia as a whole is another thing".

Your lies are obvious, you cannot hide them.

You read details, yet you tell lies against a Pope. There is no where Pope Francis called his Predecessors "Narcissists" and the Curia "leprocy".

Interviewer: However, as we said, Jesus told us that love for one's neighbor is equal to what we have for ourselves. So what many call narcissism is recognized as valid, positive, to the same extent as the other. We've talked a lot about this aspect.

Pope Francis: "I don't like the word narcissism", the Pope said, "it indicates an excessive love for oneself and this is not good, it can produce serious damage not only to the soul of those affected but also in relationship with others, with the society in which one lives. The real trouble is that those most affected by this - which is actually a kind of mental disorder - are people who have a lot of power. Often bosses are narcissists".

Interviewer: Many church leaders have been.

Pope Francis:"You know what I think about this? Heads of the Church have often been narcissists, flattered and thrilled by their courtiers. The court is the leprosy of the papacy."

Interviewer:The leprosy of the papacy, those were his exact words. But what is the court? Perhaps he is alluding to the curia?

Pope Francis: "No, there are sometimes courtiers in the curia, but the curia as a whole is another thing".

We are knowing who is misleading, lying etc.

elampiro: There you go. You have lied about the books. Go and read the instructions Jesus gave about the books. Anyone is free to download the message and spread in any form as far it is not for profit making.

All those visionaries praising the Pope I know them all. So there is nothing new you are telling me. But unlike you, I read so much in details before forming an opinion.

Why are there so many controversies surrounding Pope Francis? You have not even satisfactorily defended all the things about him. So many people giving this reports cannot all be wrong. The m*son publication when he was announced is a clue. The cross he showed to bishops is brazil is a clue, his support of gay union is a clue. His remarks recently gave him away. I can go all and all. Did we have these with previous Popes.

Francis called his predecessors narcissists and the curia 'leprosy'. False humility.

I will be praying for you to stop defending misleading teachings, deceits and lies.

I shall continue to open your eyes, yet while exposing your lies. You said He/she was told not to make profit and the book is downloaded free abi? Here you go, straight from the official website:

"Please note: This is the only authorised website to purchase the Book of Truth, which has been to Maria Divine Mercy and placed under her responsibility. The book is Copyrighted to protect the work. Please understand the responsibility placed upon her to protect the Work, even in your enthusiasm to get these Messages to others. Through this website and our authorised distributors and publishers the books are made available in retail outlets in the UK, only, at this point in time. The book can only be sold in other languages through this and authorised site. The book is also available on itunes and via Kindle. If in doubt please email us".

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/book-of-truth/

You know all the visionaries praising the Pope...(I'll leave this one), they are all false then in your Opinion, and the "internet visionary" is true abi?

You read details, yet you tell lies against a Pope. There is no where Pope Francis called his Predecessors "Narcissists" and the Curia "leprocy". I shall deal with that next. Stop reading sensational headlines.

Even before you mention the name, did i not tell you it was the "internet visionary" you were quoting? Why take up spaces with those long propaganda.

I maintain that if we go by accuracy of prediction, then Nostradamus should be top among the messengers before your "internet visionary" (He/she is selling his/her messages as books now too). I gave you a link where Pope Benedict was repeatedly called an anti-Pope by someone like you who based their judgement on "messages". Nine years after, you come here to call him the true Pope even when he had freely vacated the office. You have condemned Pope Francis based on your poor knowledge of theology and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You have decided that the more educated shepherd was wrong because he did not say what you already know. You refuse to learn, but took the seat of the Judge and condemn. These were the Position of certain individuals on Benedict XVI until they were tired. they called John Paul II anti-Pope too remember? He is on his way to being canonized now. It is not new what you're doing, no it is not new. I have taken time to puncture every false claim you've made against the Holy father and others have done same too. If I start pasting messages affirming his closeness to God from known sources, it will make a mess of the whole thread. Our faith is not in messages, for it is not the "pillar and foundation of truth", even if they are from verifiable sources (not such as yours from unknown faces behind a keyboard).

I will not go into showing all that were said of John XXIII, JP II, Benedict XVI, and now Francis. If they were all anti-Popes, then where is the Pope?

Today is the first day of my novena, in preparation for the event of 13th Oct. Be rest assured that I did and shall be praying for you, even if you refuse to join me.

elampiro: You people are the ones putting words in my mouth. Where exactly did I categorically called Pope Francin 'AntiPope Francis'? If we fo to court here on nairaland, I will win.

I only said there has been bad Popes and antipopes in the past. I was just laughing when you guys were writing those OPs.

However, even if I call him an antipope, it deosnt mean anything at all. So stop judging.

Aha, you didn't call him that abi?

elampiro: Pope Francis and his cohort are using Benedict to appear to be genuine.

elampiro: There can be only one Pope until a Pope dies. Don't listen to lies.

elampiro: If there is any other comment you want me to support with source or link let me know. The one I mentioned Freemas*n I deliberating withheld it, but if you insist I will provide it.


In their publication at that time on their website, those people clearly stated that the Catholic church will never be the same again.

They have all the leadership of organizations in their palms and are the producers of big pastors, their last target was the leadership of the catholic church.

I have read the A V if you know what I mean. However, there was no where in scriptures it was promised that the gates of hell will not fight the church, It was only promised that it will not overcome. The fact that we see it fighting it should not make us see the devil in everything. When you give the devil much credit, you limit your trust in the Power of the omnipotent God. Using the writings of one "buenos aires Journalist" that is filled with lies and half truths with intent of deceit to condemn anybody is slander, to do that for a Pope is schism. You need to have read Fr. Grunner of the Fatima crusader and what his opinion on Cardinal Ratzinger who later became Pope Benedict xvi was at the time. I remember having this type of argument with a "Marian" at the dawn of his Pontificate, he was pretty much like you, basing his arguments on many messages including the blue book. He however was more prudent with his words than you, for he did not go all out denying that he is an authentic Pope. Today, look at you using Benedict XVI as true and Francis false Pope. Its all de ja vu again.

Take a look at this: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Nick_Gruner.php

Just take a look at Opinions on the master Jesus. "He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils"(LK 11:15). 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners" (Matt 11:19). Yet he is the Lord.

^^^ either you quote source and put link or you risk being banned for false information.....rule 8

elampiro: According to the messages, Maria is the last prophetic messenger or the last prophet God the Father has sent to the world before Jesus' second coming. Jesus said this mission has been planned over two thousand years ago as given in the book of Daniel ( “But I shall tell you what is written in the truthful book . . . As for you, Daniel, keep secret the message and seal the book until the end time . . . Go Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed until the end time.”

Book of Daniel 10:21, 12:4, 12:9)
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Jesus has said that we should not defend the messages He gives to Maria that they should stand for themselves. He has promised that despite the fact there will be many hate and obstacles on the way, the massages will break boundaries and triumph. He only wants the messages to be spread with humility and He has promised to do the rest. He said nothing can stop this mission because it is God the Father plan for mankind salvation in the final battle with Satan and all his cohort in fallen angels, evil spirits etc.

So was claimed a lot of false visionaries too, known ones, not your "internet visionary" who Could even be the head of an occult group.

elampiro: Thank you for being the judge over me.

Did you not see the below conclusion.

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"So, one may consider the possibility that an “anti-pope” could potentially come from a valid conclave, and this does not constitute a false or “heretical” position.

Thus, it is actually possible to remain faithful to the Magisterium AND consider that the messages of MDM plausibly might be authentic that the Pope is the false prophet… and even that the Church herself states that this IS at least possible."
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I have had a retreat wit a very high clergy. Am I to listen to you or a high clergy of the church or the bible (or even Jesus's instructions) ?

I judge you not, your actions have already judged you.

Still what I am talking about, "possibility" means nothing, especially in the face of highly improbability.

You've had a retreat you say? And the "very high clergy" told you that the "highest clergy" is of the devil abi?

elampiro: I went for counselling on this issue and many more. I have been taught a lot of things I never knew from a very reputable source. I was also given this link and told the boundaries to observe in this matter.

Concerning “Maria Divine Mercy”, Pope Francis, and the False Prophet
Posted on August 1, 2013 by twohearts
By Dr. Kelly Bowring, Author of best-seller “The Secrets, Chastisement, and Triumph” and “The Great Battle Has Begun”

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The messages of Maria Divine Mercy (MDM), which she is reportedly receiving from heavenly sources, are plausible. I have examined all the messages, as well as all of the published evaluations and criticisms of her messages… and have not found them to establish a single error in her reported messages. And the negative evaluations of MDM posted by critics to date have been, at best, inconclusive and unconvincing.

I have not found that her messages contradict any doctrine, or that they contain an actual error. As of today, her messages are not condemned by any official Church authority with jurisdiction to do so (which would be the Irish Bishops or the CDF), though certainly they have not received Church recognition either.

On the other hand, several of her prophecies have been fulfilled, and her messages are congruent to the other related legitimate sources of prophecy being given in these times.

As well, the Crusader Prayers of Maria Divine Mercy are in the same status as her reported messages, as stated above, and thus, it would seem that it is permissible to pray them.

So, in summary, the Church faithful may read and spread MDM’s reported messages and pray her prayers.

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Caution Needed!

Still, we must be cautious, and continue to discern with prayer and docility to the Church and the Holy Spirit, while remembering the words of Pope Urban VIII: “In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true.”

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Potential Problem

One of the serious issues that are raised by the reported heavenly messages of MDM is regarding her message that Pope Benedict XVI would leave the papacy (before he died) and that his successor would be the false prophet (as discussed in Revelation 13). This is a difficult message and must be considered with delicate discernment. Whether this message is true or not, we do not know.

Even if this reported message is true, we must never take it upon ourselves to decide as such… we must wait for the Church to direct us in such matters. No matter what, we must remain faithful to the Church. We are never personally permitted to believe the Pope is invalid, unless the highest legitimate authority of the Church were to indicate that he is.

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Careful Distinction

So, while we may meditate on and spread the messages of MDM… as practicing Catholics, we must also be cautious about (and even somewhat critical concerning) this message related to the new Pope, and in this situation we must personally declare the following:

1. I accept the teaching of the Universal Catholic Church that the Pope when speaking on faith and morals is infallible.

[color=#990000]Elampiro says Pope has blasphemed

2. I accept, as legitimately elected by the recent conclave, Pope Francis (as the validly elected Pope). Elampiro denies this

This includes “religious assent of mind and heart to the manifest mind of the pope, even when he is not speaking infallibly” (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 25), which every member of the Catholic faithful is obliged to offer Pope Francis. Elampiro falls into Schism

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Time Will Tell

Time will make things more clear in this delicate matter, as to whether MDM’s messages deserve repudiation because she is in doctrinal error, her messages are inauthentic, or she is eventually rightly condemned by the Church. Otherwise, her prophecies will continue to validate themselves as events unfold and they come true. Yes, Yes, while we Pray.
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Important Question and Clarification

The most common question people are asking right now about MDM is whether a validly elected Pope could even be the false prophet, as her messages are reporting. The answer is – YES.

Though, while it is possible, it would be quite improbable.

So, how could it happen that a validly-elected Pope could become the false prophet (an invalid pope or an anti-pope)?

Pope Paul IV’s Papal Bull Cum ex Apostolatus Officio teaches that if anyone was a heretic before the Papal election, he could not be a valid Pope, even if he is (validly) elected unanimously by the Cardinals.

As well, Canon 188.4 (1917 Code of Canon Law) states that if a cleric (pope, bishop, etc.) becomes a heretic, he loses his office, without any declaration, by operation of law.

St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Antonius, St. Francis de Sales, St. Alphonsus Liguori, and many other theologians all taught that a heretic cannot be a valid pope.

“If however, God were to permit a pope to become

a notoriously and contumacious heretic,

he would by such fact cease to be pope,

and the apostolic chair would be vacant.”

St. Alphonsus Liguori, Church Doctor

Here are some more citations on this possibility: http://www.protestanterrors.com/pope-heresy.htm

However, ecclesiastical law requires that the faithful must presume we have a valid Pope, unless the Church’s highest authority formally declares otherwise .

So, one may consider the possibility that an “anti-pope” could potentially come from a valid conclave, and this does not constitute a false or “heretical” position.

Thus, it is actually possible to remain faithful to the Magisterium AND consider that the messages of MDM plausibly might be authentic that the Pope is the false prophet… and even that the Church herself states that this IS at least possible.

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Time will make this matter more clear.

http://twoheartspress.com/blog/concerning-maria-divine-mercy-pope-francis-and-the-false-prophet/[/color]

Just highlighted some places for you in your post above.

Frankly speaking, something is wrong with you and your retreat. Look at your posts, Filled with "wild possibilities", nothing Concrete, yet on it was based your schism. Painful indeed.

Ubenedictus: what letter?
Who told you that pope francis denied the divinity of christ?

take no heed of his lies.

Pope Francis: "And I believe in God ... I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation".

http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

@Elampiro, see your life?

italo: @ Ube, you actually spent your energy to make that explanation?

You have a good heart...but this one only believes whatever seems to him to portray Francis in bad light. Even if its a lie.

Devil don play am Ojoro be that ooooo

Ubenedictus: like i said i attend tradentine mass with gregorian chant and heavy latin, i'll attend it again this sunday so i naturally think i'm the most paronoid when talking about theological currents between traditionalists and progressives, it pains me when someone is interpreting catholic teachings with private revelations, it should be the other way.
I just can't believe it, is it the first time a pope retired.

“He who knows not and knows not he knows not: he is a fool - shun him. He who knows not and knows he knows not: he is simple - teach him. He who knows and knows not he knows: he is asleep - wake him. He who knows and knows he knows: he is wise - follow him.”

No be me talk am o. @ Elampiro see your life?

elampiro: The Pope summoned Our Lady to his court at Vatican instead of going to pay homage to her at Fatima.

An elected Pope indeed! You will soon realized something. You just wait.

Just take a look at this below, I told you, I told you, the old serpent is showing you mirage @ Elampiro

Ubenedictus: since you still want to talk about this, it would interest you to know that benedict planed the whole thing before he retired
(Vatican Radio) "Blessed are you for believing!" That is the theme of the Marian Day which will be held in the Vatican on 12 and 13 October next, in the presence of the Holy Father Pope Francis and all the associations of Marian spirituality. Organized by the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization, the event is part of the celebrations of the Year of Faith - organized by the then Pope Benedict XVI to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of the Second Vatican Council - and coincides with the anniversary of the last apparition of the Blessed Virgin at Fatima: it was, in fact, on October 13, 1917 when at Cova da Iria, Portugal, Our Lady appeared for the sixth and final time to the three shepherd children, Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta. Soon after, there was the so-called "miracle of the sun" the solar disc changed colour, size and position for about ten minutes. In memory of this date, therefore, the original statue of Our Lady of Fatima will be brought to St. Peter's Square and exposed to the veneration of the faithful. This is the program of the day in detail: Saturday, October 12, at 8:00 am, there will be a pilgrimage to the tomb of Peter, an hour later, Eucharistic Adoration will begin with the celebration of the sacrament of reconciliation in some churches adjacent to St. Peter's Square. In the afternoon, at 17.00, the statue of Our Lady of Fatima will be welcomed by Pope Francis in St. Peter's Square and then the Pope will hold a Marian catechesis. From 19.00 onwards, the statue of the Virgin arrives at the Sanctuary of Divine Love, where the Rosary will be recited with a link up to all the Marian shrines in the world, while starting from 22.00, there will be a prayer vigil. The next day, Sunday, October 13, the statue will return to St. Peter's Square at 10.00 am, there will be a recitation of the Holy Rosary, and at 10.30 The Pope will preside at Mass. "www.news.va/en/news/pope-to-attend-marian-day-in-the-vatican

elampiro: It is true.

Ananias! I shall not be thy Peter. Just take a look at all Ubenedictus has exposed above and have pity on yourself.

elampiro: There can be only one Pope until a Pope dies. Don't listen to lies.

You don't consider the above statement a lie?

elampiro: The Pope summoned Our Lady to his court at Vatican instead of going to pay homage to her at Fatima.

An elected Pope indeed! You will soon realized something. You just wait.

Lol, this guy is really funny. So he was no more elected?

elampiro: It is good to pray, but I can guess there was no amount of prayers that was going to stop Judas from betraying Jesus. The Church is being betrayed and you are part of those defending this process.

The Catholic church as we know it, is about to climb its Calvary. But the days of resurrection are not far off after the trials and separation.

No authentic Catholic Teaching or Message ever said I should call an elected Pope, an anti-Pope, especially when he has done nothing to deserve it. The shepherd is doing his work, calling on the lost sheep to come home, yet you decide to allow the devil deceive you into Schism. I wonder what you do when prayer for the Pope is intoned, or do you not pray for the pope? When he requested for prayer at the verge of USA invasion of Syria, I joined and you probably did not. On the 13th of October, the Pope will be consecrating the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I will be starting my novena soon in preparation for the day, you probably don't care. You are already out my friend, the devil must be happy with you.

elampiro: I can only be cautious and quiet of what I have not discerned.


Pope Francis said the priests should preach less of abortion, contraception and homosexuality. Now you have joined him in trying to shut me. Are you one of them? Who are you working for? You defend lies and anti-gospel teachings. Everyone should keep quite until the Catholic church is no longer Catholic.

Be wise.

Trying to shut you? Lol, Italo said you must be aiming at making us laugh, you must be thinking highly of yourself. Catholic Church no longer catholic? I thought it is inevitable according to your beliefs.

^^^ Amen. Thanks.

elampiro: Goodnight people. I am so pained I can hardly sleep.

Sleep shouldn't be your focus now, You should be on your knees more often...and I was on mine, for you as well.

elampiro: The Pope: how the Church will change

I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.
"And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"


Pope Francis (ap)

http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

Directly from the magazine Pope Francis gave the interview.

Tomorrow I expect to see people trying to tell what the Pope really said.

I shake my head.

I told you to pray, the devil is putting a mirage before you, Now you ascribe both the atheist interviewer's word to the Pope. There was a question of thinking about existence put forward by the Pope:

Pope Francis:You must ask yourself, of course, like everyone else, who we are, where we come from, where we are going. Even children ask themselves these questions. And you?

Interviewer : I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.

Pope Francis: And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?

Please Elampiro, is there a catholic God?

elampiro: You certainly do not have an idea of the history behind the person you are arguing with. I have witnessed so much in different places. Sun miracles, visible Marian apparition on the wall, etc.

I have told you, you don't love the church more than I do. I am highly pained about what I see now.

Again, Again...a test. You've seen "miracle of the sun, Visible Marian apparition on the wall"...Only if you knew....

You love the church with an authentic, yet (according to you) "evil" shepherd? Do you still pray for him?

elampiro: I know far far more than you think. I am well grounded. I know several visionaries in Nigeria.

Lastly, I used to read the locution site you posted on this thread. So don't think I am a novice to private and public revelations.

Oh God! How do I respond to this? The more you know, the humbler, cautious and more quiet you become.

I posted that site just to let you know that there are contrary messages to the one you hold so strongly. I had as well earlier said something about Jonah.

elampiro: This prophecies are not only from Maria. John Leary clearly has been saying samething among other hundred things he said which have come to pass.

But again, listen to Pope Francis. Only today again he ridiculed the mother church. He is shaming catholics. Everything catholic is now seen to be wrong.

I had earlier left this issue but Italo wants to prove she knows too much. I ignored her she kept looking for my trouble.

Do you know that a group of "traditionalists" in the catholic church sees father Gobbi's messages as false? You acclaim it as true, yet claiming traditionalist. What makes John Leary's messages true? What do you know about Veronica Leuken? Which visionaries apart from the "once a boy" you mentioned, do you know in Nigeria? I have told you, say your rosaries, attend Mass, pray for the clergy, church and all. He has ridiculed no church, I am not ashamed of him, Keep your eyes open and your mouth shut, until you know what you are talking about.

elampiro: Do you believe in the word of God?

So you want me to clap when the word of God is turn upside down or twisted to please the world? Pope Francis is ridiculing Catholic tradition and his predecessor and getting ovations from pagans.

I had advised you earlier, Pray, Pray, Pray. He's done no such thing, there was leprosy in the Vatican administration, it was a source of concern to the cardinals during the conclave, it formed a major influence in their election. He has said nothing new. Pope JP II will soon be canonized by Pope Francis.

elampiro: Look at the supposed humble Pope Francis rubbishing every tradition and ridiculing his predecessors before the media is that how it should be?

You call some Popes thieves, yet you attack the Pope for speaking out against a wrong culture in administration? You need to learn about Benedict's own thought about the Vatican administrative personnel.

elampiro: Don't try to be too smart.

Where is it written in the bible that a conclave can't produce an Antipope? How come we have had bad Popes in the past, siphoning money to give their families stupendous life styles, selling of indulgences, etc.


When the Catholic church has been reduced first to the pentecostal level and finally turn upside down to a one world religion, with the Eucharist changed from the body and blood of Christ to a mere sign of communion for all peoples of all faith to share, I will know which side you shall be. When you see Cardinals splits and a major part of the church teaching that sexual sins are no longer sins and new age icons replace the crucifix and the rest, I will know which side you will be. The schismatic church will be the one teaching errors while the true Catholism will be pushed underground. Everyone including the priests will have to make a choice.

It is coming, it is starting...

You earlier said I know nothing on the issue, and i said "only if you knew..."

I told you to pray, I told you to pray, It is from experience, it is in obedience to the mother's call. You are slipping away, you are slipping away, It was Peter that was made the shepherd, It was peter that was made the shepherd. It was not your "internet visionary", It was not your "internet visionary". Wait till your prophecy of woes take place, wait till your prophecy of woes take place. The Lord has not abandoned his people, the Lord has not abandoned his people!

Their lives are an inspiration. It sounds good to know someone who lived in these perilious times of ours, and men could witness to the holiness of his life. Its even more exhilarating when there are verifiable claims of Divine endorsement. Yes, Yes, those who believe do not die, they move to a better place, what hope and reassurance it gives to me, that even I can make it.

Sancta Joanes xxiii et Joanes paulus ii, ora pro nobis.

Hope to see you two, when I come over.

elampiro: Bye.

See you again.

So long.

Pray, Pray, Pray. (Fatima message)

elampiro: Discussing the Pope teachings has no implication. He has taught errors as foretold by Maria messages. More will come.

If I decided to withheld any evidence, it is not because I am not sure, but because I am considering spiritual immaturity of many.

But I get your advise though.

Whatever the case, just take that advice, it will do you and those you seek to protect a lot of good...do good anyway.