₦airaland Forum

maestroferddi:
Now that you have gone off at a tangent, how do I drum objectivity into your seemingly impenetrable skull?

I still maintain that your are a bundle of nerves and emotions.

You use uncouth language and at the same time your soliciting pity parties all over the place.

This predilection to dual/split personality is completely repugnant/objectionable to me.

I am sorry I cannot help you...

I do not solicit pity parties and I have nothing to be emotional about; I have no vested interest in either GTB or IVM.

The only interest I have in the case is that justice should be done to deepen best-in-class ethical practices in Nigeria business environment.

As to my use of uncouth language, I plead guilty as charged but you initiated it and there is a saying that the man who brought ants infested wood to his house has sent out an invite to the lizards.

No one has a monopoly of insulting others online.

I maintain that I do not engage in pity parties and I do not do mob attacks because I can defend my turf.

I welcome divergent views because I believe that plurality of ideas is the bedrock of a civilized community and infact it is an ingredient for deepening our body of knowledge as a people but I will reciprocate in equal measure any attempt to insult my person.

maestroferddi:
Your innuendos are wide off the mark.

I choose not to live with the quicksilver inconstancy that apparently characterize the thrust of your argument...

One moment you are advancing a spurious argument bereft of objectivity in favour of GT Bank, the next time asking you are trying to project a futile argument on equity without tracking your earlier submissions which are at variance with your new position.

When all failed, you went to the emotional card... trying out to play victimhood.

My take, heretofore, is that you suit yourself.

I choose not to believe that you are schizophrenic. And I want to again believe that you do not suffer selective amnesia.

If those 2 possibilities are eliminated I am left with the only option of concluding that you are a pathetic liar.

How have I played the victim card. Read over my various exchanges with you on this forum. On one occasion, I advised that we should maintain civility in our discourse even if we have divergent opinions. You responded that it wasn't your intention to denigrate and I left it at that.

Today, you went berserk again attacking my person instead of issues. Our exchanges are available for all to read and they are on record.

babaolofin:
It is not a matter of Igbo & Yoruba idiots coming online to support business interests, saying that is an attempt to protect a group of crude & uncivilized people who have become nuisance to an entity called Nigeria. GT Bank has never made available any malicious statement or false information or propaganda about the outcome of a judgement by the Apex Court. The corporate governance policy of such bank can never allow them to give out such information. Zenith, Diamond , UBA & others have corporate policies that will never allow a key management member to give out false information to the public.

It is those that tribalise issues affecting their kinsmen that are the greatest problem of themselves & Nigeria. You only attempted to cover them by mixing issue together. Issues affecting Ibeto, Innoson, Ekweremadu ( EFCC case), Stella Oduah (AMCON), etc are termed anti Igbo. Immediately, the GTB / Innoson case came on Nairaland & some social media last year, the Igbos termed it anti Igbo threatening to fall GT Bank by all means without looking at issues. I said, it is an empty boast.

We have other people in Nigeria having problems with Banks. We have politicians having problems with EFCC. No tribe has ever introduced ethnic colouration, but immediately it involves an Igbo or IBO, there is a crisis. While awaiting 2023, or the declaration of Biafra Republic, it pays to be objective, make less noise & dissipate less energy on propaganda. Innoson staff has attacked EFCC officials & violated the integrity of the supreme court, yet, nothing can be done because of Igbo propaganda.

The ethnic colouration is uncalled for honestly. There wasn't ethnic colouration when the 2 parties were doing business together happily, why should ethnic bias be introduced at this point in time?

maestroferddi:
Good that you conceded that you were shooting from sinking/shifting sands...

How did I concede this? Do you have comprehension problem? I have maintained my position, that the legal fireworks are on and we should allow the judicial process play out.

That courts of competent jurisdiction have ordered GT Bank to pay Innoson is not in doubt.

Various high courts of coordinate jurisdiction have given different judgement concerning the matter at hand. There was a high Court that issued a warrant of arrest against the Chairman of IVM. And I'm aware that EFCC has attempted to press some fraud charges against him, rightfully or wrongfully I am not in a position to tell.

What this tells us, is that there are divergent judgments and opinions on this matter. Hence, I am waiting for all the legal fireworks to play out while praying that the right party would ultimately get justice.

The matter at hand is that GT Bank is praying that their appeal be heard/determined by the Supreme Court.

Well, there you go again displaying crass ignorance while you pontificate as some legal luminary or judicial authority cum international trade expert.

GT Bank did not pray that her appeal should be heard by the Supreme court, rather GTB prayed the Supreme court to direct the appeal court to hear her appeal. And, the Supreme Court in its wisdom has so directed.

Get your hapless self acquainted/up to speed with the matter and stop projecting ignorance as if were a virtue...

Up to this moment, I have chosen to address issues without attacking your personality, however, I crave your indulgence to say that you think too highly of yourself.

Nairalanders and guests can read the one who has displayed crass ignorance and unnecessary bias in a case involving 2 indigenous companies.

I leave you with the words of a sage which go thus: "While the big animals like cows lay on the field chewing their cuds quietly, small insects like crickets continued chirping noisily in an attempt to deceive people into thinking that they are the only occupants of the field"

maestroferddi:
What you are making now is a classic blind argument.

One expects you to have had a modicum of knowledge concerning the matter.

This case in point has travelled all the way to the Supreme Court. So the question whether there is a subsisting judgement is dumb, to put it mildly.

If you do not know that the apex court serves as the final arbiter/highest appellate court whose responsibility primarily is to validate or nullify/reverse verdicts of lower courts, then we shouldnt be having this interchange.

In any case, the current brief of the Supreme Court is that the status quo ante be maintained: that is, that the ruling of the Court Appeal, Enough Division be maintained while GT Bank's notice/motion of appeal is heard.

What does the foregoing mean other than that GT Bank comply with the verdict of the lower court which was in Innoson's favour be obeyed subject to a legal/adjudicatory review by the Supreme Court.

Can you now that you were merely shadow boxing instead of making the effort to argue from the position of knowledge?

Pray, what is blind argument in advising that we should allow all parties to exhaust their legal options and praying that the innocent party gets justice.

If there is a judgement debt in favor of IVM then let them go and get a garnishee order. That should not be a difficult thing to do, don't you think so?

maestroferddi:
Oga stop wearing emotions on your sleeves.

I find your choice of words in your quoted statement ludicrous!

For crying out loud, how am I suppose to be 'wearing my emotions on my sleeve' according to you.

I have always insisted that both parties should go to the court and argue their cases as I believe that both parties are innocent until either of them is proven guilty. Both IVM and GTB are Nigerian businesses with a lot of people on their payroll hence I pray that the wronged party gets justice so that we can improve on our ethical standards.

You on the other hand have pronounced one of the parties, GTB in this case, guilty in your own court.

The arguments of both parties, with the deployment of quality legal representation, have been subjected to extensive/thorough legal scrutiny and yet Innoson dusted GT Bank.

I am yet to see a court verdict declaring either of the party guilty.

So what the hell are you talking about?

If you are one of the judges and you find GTB guilty, please instruct GTB to pay damages as needed and stop bellyaching. Justice delayed is justice denied!

But if you are not one of the judges with the requisite competence to pronounce any of the parties guilty, then allow the courts to do their work.

maestroferddi:
If you had a reasonable idea on import finance transaction banking, you would see that GT Bank's allegations are ridiculous.

It is ridiculous for you to insinuate that your expertise in import finance is far ahead of several finance experts in GTB besides the legal minds that are handling GTB's brief.

If you care to know, finance is one of my areas of expertise and I do not see what is ridiculous in GTB's allegations if they can substantiate them.

maestroferddi:
With due respect, I don't think the management of GT Bank are acting smart on this lingering issue.

Why not pursue an out of court resolution?

If GTB are the victims and they have evidences to substantiate their claims why should they initiate an out of court settlement? That would not be in the bank's interest as that may suggest that the bank has something to hide too.

Bolustical:
The party could have gone to the Nigerian Copyright Commission to patent that idea na

Jobless people

Infact, I have now confirmed that many are mad in Nigeria but few are roaming.

HungerBAD:
What arrogance.

He said and I quote " removal of security aides from deserving Nigerians".

Deserving Nigerians?the deserving Nigerians are those getting harrassed by the SARS every day on the road,while going about their legitimate businesses.

This guy reminds me of all the big Pastors in Nigeria,who go around with plenty of security details,but still tell their followers to have faith in God against Armed Robbers.

SECURITY DETAILS to all Politicians should be removed,so that these thieves can now start understanding what ordinary Nigerians go through.

I second this your motion that is in emphasis.

Pavore9:
Why hasn't MURIC warn Shekau over the use of the hijab in suicide bombing?

Very intelligent question. I hope someone can write an open letter to muric using this your question as the topic or theme.

Muric spoke out of order on this issue. The symbolism of the girls in hijab dancing shaku shaku is to convey a message that Nigerians do wrong things while clad in religious apparels. In real life, it is not unlikely that you would see some girls in hijab doing worst things than dancing shaku shaku. In the same vein, you will see some Christians doing things that run contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

ranmoor:
OK ooo, I rest my case ooo. I know little abt food, I'm just a consumer..

No wahala my brother. You may parboil before rinsing just to be on the safe side. I used to share your sentiments but my interactions with some USDA officials and exposure to some research findings showed that USDA and other national food regulatory agencies had a basis for the recommendation.

kimbraa:
As in eh! You didn't include dust. He'll be poisoning himself if he tries it.

To get rid of the dust you mentioned, you may parboil the meat before washing so that the germs would have been killed before handling. The risk in handling fresh meat is high. With salmonella, e coli and the rest.

ranmoor:
U know those oyinbo don't use "omi eran" to cook...

They do and that is what is called meat stock.

ranmoor:
Are u kidding, because of the risk of contaminating the kitchen that will still be cleaned, I should contaminate my stomach? My bro, outside is tougher than inside oo

The scientific rationale for the advice of not washing raw meat is that washing with water will not kill those germs that you fear but you would have handled those germs in their unattenuated form.

Boiling the raw meat will however kill those germs.

ranmoor:
Bro, when u read something from internet, try n relate it to Oyinbo ways not ours. I'm sure the writer will be referring to beef/meet u buy in ASDA, Sainsbury, Coop or Tesco... Those meat including chicken comes neat n sealed. Not the ones u buy at mile 12 that all the flies in the world would have perched on it.

The very reasons why you are advised against washing raw meats are very present in the Nigerian meat markets. Infact, you can argue that it might be safer to wash meats from Costco, ASDA, WholeFoods and the rest because the meats would have been cleaned partly before you buy them.

Unfortunately, because of the unhygienic handling of meats in our markets, most of the meats will be germs ridden. Since, you will be washing these meats with only water (i.e. without disinfectant) there is a high risk that droplets of water with germs will splash and infect places in the kitchen. Getting in contact with such water droplets afterwards can be very risky.

cc majorbravo

Femsyn:
I think this is a fantastic move, long awaited. Irrespective of the motive oppositions may think of it, I'm confident its a great decision.

That is nice critical thinking. There will always be a motive for whatever anyone does. When people wake up in the morning to go to their various places of work or business, their motive is to go and earn some money! Some people rob others to make money. Whilst, in the 2 scenarios the common motive is to make money one went about it in a legitimate manner while the other went about it in a criminal way.

If PMB is doing some things correctly with the motive of being reelected then he has not done anything wrong.

Pataricatering:
unfortunately that’s the way the law works ! It’s whoever is caught ! Call it bad luck or being on the wrong side of luck ! Some criminals are prosecuted because they couldn’t run fast enough , they talked to the wrong person , etc - you can’t prosecute all criminals - only the ones you catch ! Saraki has allegedly been caught - his luck ran out - so let him face the music !

Your reasoning is top notch. Except some of these guys are on the payroll of these politicians, I don't understand why they overdo themselves in defending someone that can hire 100s of SANs to defend himself in a court if the need arises.

ericsmith:
the police are really playing smart these time , inviting saraki over for an oral investigation will only give saraki more access to classified information, the police will only play into his hands before court.
same saraki that was so eager to honour police invitation is now so relunctant to write an open statement to exonerate himself. WHY?? cannt is league of lawyers just come up with a disclaimer.

I believe that the Police were legally advised to only take a written statement from Saraki because it would be more difficult for him to disown a written statement.

CoolAmbience:
Release which video...?

That would be premature and unwise.

They have to take Saraki's statement first before anything.

I even believe that the release of this information is premature and unwise not to talk of the release of the video.

Uniportadmision:
Intelligent contributions there sir.

Thanks.

SalamRushdie:
So if any member of BMC goes to Rob we can safely say Buhari and lai Mohammed sent them... Nonsense Buhari govt and nonsense Buharic urchinic thinking ....Una cup go soon full

Is it right to arm Nigerian youths while the politician's children are schooling or working abroad?

If Tinubu, Oyegun or any APC politician or any other politician at that, is implicated in arming youths for politics, the full weight of the law should be brought to bear on them.

We can not tackle crimes in Nigeria without dealing with the people who provide arms to criminals; and sadly these are mostly politicians.

Uniportadmision:
Just disappointed with most of the comments down here, hearing stuff like the guy above me saying you sent your bro to school and he decides to misbehave and should face the consequences sounds dumb to me as a reference. Sending to School is a legal and moral act, but POLITICAL THUGGERY is an illegal and criminal act, I'm sure INEC would agree.

It's clear he (saraki) didn't order them to rob the banks as confessed by the criminals, but accusing him as their sponsor for political thuggery is a serious one which the Senate president must go and clear his name.

Unless political thuggery isn't an act of criminality?

Forget witch hunting nonsense.

Very sensible comment. It is a known fact that most politicians sponsor and arm their own thugs and they get away with it because they are never prosecuted.

Assuming without conceding that this revelation has political undertone some of this politicians must face trial for arming Nigerian youths while grooming their own children to take over their dynasty. Many lives have been cut short because of this proliferation of small arms which is provided by these politicians.

While Saraki may not know about the robbery, he should be given a fair trial and, if found guilty by the court, of illegally arming and sponsoring criminals, he should be sentenced accordingly.

Whatever is leading to these 'revelations' should not concern Nigerians. What should concern us is the veracity or otherwise of the claims made by these criminals.

Metuh:
This is really sad.



Hope this is not in connection with the numerous crimes committed by Nigerians over there

Nigerians can not continue to act irresponsibly without expecting some form of backlash. Sadly, even the innocent people are affected by the mindless actions of some criminals.

dominique:
Nonsense tweet. So Nike that paid good money to sponsor the super eagle's kits should now allow aba tailors sew the jerseys? What will be Nike's gain then? Aba tailors should go and sponsor the Super Eagle naa. Someone that didn't publish his own book in his country is now calling out a foreign brand for doing their business in their country. Hypocrite senator

The guy's hypocrisy oozes to high heavens. I used to like him but politics has exposed him for a charlatan that he is.

jojomario:
If every sector of the judiciary does this. Our corrupt politicians will be afraid to seek for public offices. The judiciary has a big role to play in fighting corruption. No president can do it alone. If the judiciary acts normal, a corrupt officer will know that once the case is in court his/her career is finished. But reverse is the case in Nigeria.

Well said.

Acidosis:
Sending him to jail is not as important as recovering the looted funds and ensuring that politicians find it difficult to loot.

Block the holes, and the judiciary will have less issues to worry about.

You can't block all holes as long as humans will make decisions such as contractor selection & contract approval. Even advanced countries like U.S, U.K, China can't block all holes. The reasons why judges are recruited and paid is for them to do their jobs.

There must be consequences for our thieving politicians to serve as a deterrent to those who still have their eyes glued to our cookie's jar.

If they do the crime, let them do the time.

PurplePatch:
If only the government would create enabling environment for these folks to channel their ingenuity appropriately, only then would we make giant strides in different fields of endeavoures.

Nigerians keeps making and shattering records both good and bad.

Papa Ajasco see Alinco don go fall your hand for U.S.

*Oh! Jigbi Jigbi Jigbi Jigbi*

*But seriously dude looks older than his official age. Doesn't look like he has such money self.

What an #Okporoko look.

It is not about the government providing an enabling environment for greedy folks like this guy. If government does that guys like this will still end up being criminals.

He was sent to school in the U.S and became a citizen in a country where government provides enabling environment, but what did he do with it?

These folks disgust me because they are the reasons legit Nigerians are profiled unnecessarily in different countries all over the world.

kolnel:
Where’s Reno and his allies
Everybody should speak against corruption
The masses are the one suffering

I stand with buhari on this
After buhari tenure
He should be probed too
We can’t continue like this
The whole world has left the African continent behind

May you be blessed. And may more Nigerians see issues from your perspective, devoid of ethnic, religious or political colouration.

maestroferddi:
Only you know what is civil about turning logic on its head...

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I welcome your superior logic but when you term someone's submission as stupid it doesn't bother on civility.

positivethought:
But what is the sentiment in what innoson said, the matter is already before a higher court why did the judge still went ahead to declare the man wanted for goodness sake if not to embarrass him!,or because he has to defend himself then he should allow himself to be mess around unneccesarily,how many of us will accept such treatment let's be sincere please!.

Thanks for your civility. I didn't single out this latest press release. I am talking about the totality of the case and Innoson's reaction altogether. That said, no one can commit a perfect crime. If GTB is playing games the court will find that out and mete out appropriate sanctions. What I don't enjoy is the tribal slant that some folks want to introduce into this case. Once again thanks.