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bgees:
Another point for Torres is that he rarely scores two consecutive goals the same way. And 80% of his goals are classic beauties.
Sometimes I think I see a pair of wings on his back when he plays - Torres is an angel,so heavenly!

And if striking was an art like painting, Torres would have been Van Gogh.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg4027846#msg4027846 date=1245013571]By the way, Torres did not score against Arsenal in the Premiership in his debut season.[/quote]Yes but he did in the UEFA CL, my assertion wasn't limited to the Epl.

I forgot to mention that Torres is superior to Villa and Eto in the air. Though as I've said earlier, Villa's ball control seems better than Torres'.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=264210.msg4027453#msg4027453 date=1245008211]Calm down tocdee its just New Zealand[/quote]Oh! sorry if I seemed too excited (did I?). Anyway 'just New Zealand' came within minutes of beating Italy last week. How many strikers will score a hat-trick in 11 minutes against the likes of Sudan not to talk of 'just New Zealand'?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg4027663#msg4027663 date=1245010809]1) Long range efforts(30 yards and beyond)[/quote]See vsMiddlesbrough (away 07/08). Strikers like Eto, Villa, RVN, Raul, Inzaghi, Torres, etc are great but NONE is known for 30-yarders from open play. On the other hand, Midfielders like Lampard, Ronaldo, Alonso, Gerrard, Veron and Zidane are/were excellent with long-range strikes. My point; when you're always around or within the 18 yard box, you simply don't develop that skill to very high levels.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg4027663#msg4027663 date=1245010809]1) Long range efforts(30 yards and beyond)

2) Eto'o and David Villa are hungrier, with a humongous work-rate.[/quote]I agree that these guys are classy strikers but no one can say that Torres does not work harder than both. In fact Eto has been criticized for seeming uninterested in certain games in the past and came under a lot of stick with the fans. Did you see Torres paly against Madrid or Utd? The guy had pain-killing injections for his ankle prior to those matches and still put in a man-of-the-match peformance in each of them. For Athletico, he was said to burn out before seasons ended because he tried to carry his team along at a tender age. Hence him being made captain at 17!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg4027663#msg4027663 date=1245010809]Anything to fill the void would make United fans happy generally be it Torres, Forlan or even Heskey.[/quote]Really? Some Utd comments there clearly stated him as being the best striker in the world. But since anyone would do, maybe utd should sign Heskey. Trust me, those same fans will not be too happy .

Did you know; Torres first season in the Epl saw him score against every EPL team at least once except Utd (he's achieved that) and Birmingham.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg4027502#msg4027502 date=1245008768]Eto'o is better than Torres but David Villa is ma favourite. I like a striker that can score all kinda goals and put in the hard work too.[/quote]So,
1. tell us one kind of goal Torres hasn't scored.

2. tell us yu really think Eto and Villa put in more work than Torres

Some Manc friends of yours at the Cafe are shitting themselves at the possibility (silly I know) of Torres going to utd. Maybe you should chat with them.

http://www.redcafe.net/f9/fernando-torres-hmmm-254273/

By the way, Torres just scored a hat-trick (and counting) in the first 17 minutes of the Confed cup!! Still watching. . .

gay Fergie openly declared that he wouldn't sell Madrid a virus. Must have been a joke cos he just did. Just hope Kaka acts as an anti-malware and preaches some sense into the prancing pony and who knows, get him to go to church once in a while

MrCrackles:
Maybe, but isnt Giggsy staying?
I see Neville and Schole's staying too!
I must say though, if he eventually leaves, he will be missed, the tinted orange diving winker will be sorely missed!

They're staying for one more season tops but let's face it, these trio have gone over the hill.

A midfield of Giggs, Scholes, Carrick , Park and Anderson isn't really ground-shaking, is it?

MrCrackles:
It wont happen like that

Even though United say the funds will be available to invest in the team

A sizeable chunk will be held back to service debts and reinforce overheads funding stream!

My two cents!

Woah! Kaka, Ronaldo, Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Silva,. . . Aikaramba! I'm off to La Liga!

That's stating the obvious. Books will be balanced first and players like Giggs, Scholes and Neville need to be replaced.

Its funny how you avoid the topic and my questions, cover your mistakes and sing the same Premier Title song over and over again. If you don't feel Nigerians have a say on who gets remembered, then you should spend more time on Red Cafe. As it is, I really can't spend more time here as your presence has a strange fouling effect

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=279425.msg3983497#msg3983497 date=1244231092]But i thunk i told you Rafa is an idiot who should learn what to rotate!!!
Rotating players pose no threat but a manager must learn when and who to rotate.
Liverpool V West Brom. . . . .Rafa knows this team would come to Anfield and pack the bus and yet he would use his best defence unit.
What is he defending? This is where SAF excels cos he knows when Rafael and O'Shea should be the full-backs and when they don't have to play.[/quote]That explains the Utd / Fulham game then, thanks. Really? Do you realize West Brom's game is an attacking one? They NEVER park the bus.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=279425.msg3983497#msg3983497 date=1244231092]Who is Gerrard?
What has he won that Carrick hasn't??[/quote]Try the FA Cup, UEFA Cup, Euro Super Cup, MBE

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=279425.msg3983497#msg3983497 date=1244231092]Nobody would remember Gerrard. . . . .
He has won nada for club and country. Apart from the Champions League they fluked to win in 2005, what has Gerrard really done for 'Pool?[/quote]Gerrard's won EVERY club Domestic and Euro Title apart from the League Title. Name one current Utd player that has won anything with his country at senior level. We've got 5 at Liverpool. Even the Olympic games proved elusive!

Why don't you start a poll here to find out if Gerrard would be remembered in decades to come? Its easy. You can also put up Carrick's name too for contrast.

congoshine:
Tuncay. . . never !!!

Why? I rate him very highly especially after his heroics for Turkey during the Euros. Funny enough, I told my brother about 3 months ago that I'd love the bloke to come to Merseyside. His touches are good and he could play as a striker or in the hole.

I'm almost relieved Barry didn't come. Not needed imo. As bgees mentioned, Jay Spearing could be blooded into the team. The lad's got talent and recently, I watched him score a magnificent hat-trick for the reserves. He's short but so is Barca's trio of Iniesta, Messi and Xavi.

I hope we get Glen Johnson too.

Jarzinho mentioned the Uche's. SPOT ON!!! Ikechukwu Uche has got the dribble skills of Messi  ! I rate those guys above Silva, honestly since the latter doesn't seem physically up to the rigours of the EPL.

@Toshmann
Welcome back! Had some people worried here Good to see those large colourful posts!

Finally; I really hope G+H just sell up and get out. I really detest them.

YNWA

Shyn:
Wat were d Bleep ass elites doing 2 allow 'pretenders' cme frm 15 positn n win d epl.I'd beta support a scummie pretenda dt can win trophies dan knw an elite who behaves and play like a div 3 amature playa in 9ja.Bleep'aly'elites.Kiss m'ass.Utd til I die.

That argument is very poor because the thread's all about individual perfomance. Don't we all know Utd won the EPL? Unbiased opinion is too much to ask of you. you also seem to have more swear words than good English; but then you support United; typical.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=279425.msg3971646#msg3971646 date=1244044874]While Ferguson deploys rotation to keep his squad fresh, Lampard and Gerrard play worthless games and when the big games come up on the table, they burn OUT thus losing needless points.[/quote]And I thought you slated Rafa last season for rotating. And yeah, Gerrard burnt United out at Old Trafford last season

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=279425.msg3971646#msg3971646 date=1244044874]It's becoming embarrassing that Michael Carrick has won more league titles than Lampard and Gerrard put together.
Blimey. . . . . .even young Rafael has a league title to his name and elite central midfielders like Cesc and Barry has never experienced winning a league title. [/quote]Carrick, Rafael, and co would line up to get either of Lampard or Gerrard's autograph!

George Weah won the Fifa World Player of the Year without ever playing in the World cup!

Players like Gerrard and Lampard would be remembered for generations to come around the world BUT I'm afraid Carrick shirts aren't even sold outside OT As for Rafael, let's wait till the child grows some molars before meeting him.

United is built around their defence so when they are breached, its usually a riot on the field. See vs Fulham, Liverpool, Barca.

toxicguy:
whats ur number so i can know what network to sms you

Its a bit dangerous putting it up here ; my goodness! My number could fall into Sauron's hands!!!

On the other hand, your name's 'toxicguy'; if it was 'toxicbabe', maybe . . .

toxicguy:
. pls tocdee, look for another topic. i'll send you a recharge card but just leave this thread.

Where's my recharge card??

dayokanu:
How old was Fab4 when he carried Arsenal on his shoulder or how old was CR7 when he did same.

EPL made Torres he wasnt up to it before coming to Liverpool and he confessed that the foolishness of EPL defenders and keepers make him look special

Rubbish! Torres was captain of an average Athletico at 17 and fans demanded so much from him. Saying Fabregas carries Arsenal along is very insulting to the club. CR7 only came into the spotlight amidst many stars at Utd so there was little pressure on the bloke. Correct me but his first 2 seasons in the EPL didn't yield up to 10 goals .

Why are we arguing this? Torres was the only striker to make it into FIFA's top 5 this year.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg3971718#msg3971718 date=1244045244]Villa works harder, tackles more, more clinical and can lead a line on his own.[/quote]How can you say that Villa works harder? Do you even watch Torres play for Spain? He does all the hard work behind Villa while the latter does the scoring. And Torres is much better at leading the line in a sole role. Villa DOES NOT play as a lone-striker for Spain BUT Torres did an excellent job there against Germany at the Euro finals when villa got injured.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg3971718#msg3971718 date=1244045244]Aerially?? Torres needs to beat Miroslav Klose, Cristiano Ronaldo and Vidic.[/quote]By 'beat' you mean outscore them with headers ,don't you? Because 6 out of his 13 league goals this season were headers. Plus he scored a lot more in the same way last season. How many did Ronaldo score with his conceited head? Klose is special aerially but even he is going a bit downhill. And Vidic? LOL!!!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg3971718#msg3971718 date=1244045244]He needs to win a title fast and Liverpool are not heading in that direction at all.[/quote]I found this line quite amusing. You can't resist, can you? Liverpool improved this season in leaps and bounds WHILE United, Chelsea and Arsenal actually didn't improve on last season's perfomance. Also they broke so many of their club records taking maximum points off Utd and Chelsea (home and away), had the least losses (2), scored the highest number of goals in the league with Gerrard and Torres playing together just 13 times while inflicting Utd's greatest EPL defeat at Old Trafford! I call that progress.

A win against Wigan and Stoke instead of draws would have seen them lift the trophy. NOW THAT"S PROGRESS.

PS- The average age of the Liverpool's first team is lower than that at Utd(And this includes managerial staff ages). So there's time, don't you think?

Let's put it this way;
1. EVERY MANAGER IN THE WORLD WOULD WANT TO HAVE EITHER TORRES OR VILLA IN HIS TEAM (WHO CARES WHAT _{little sauron} SAYS ABOUT TORRES ANYWAY?).

2. They belong to a class where the world expects them to score whenever they take to the pitch

3. Aerially, Torres is in a class of his own. Villa has better close ball control.

4. Torres WILL achieve legend status since age is on his side.

5. Eto is an excellent striker. Third best for me.

6. The above points are just my opinion.

Krayola:
Sauron, the arguments you make will work against idiots that do not know anything about anything. But against informed people all you do is advertise your cluelessness.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg3967292#msg3967292 date=1243978519]I downloaded Liverpool V Chelsea at Anfield last night too.
It was a show of shame. [/quote]Oh! Did you download any of the Manc Vs Liverpool matches too?   I'd love to have a copy!! I love the scene where Vidic had this twisted smile when Torres ran circles around him!

HIGHLIGHT OF THE DAY

Ik Uche turning Evra around and around in the build-up to that goal.

I shudder to think what France would suffer at the hands of a team like Spain on that perfomance!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg3966805#msg3966805 date=1243973072]I have asked you to tell me which is more difficult. . . .
Scoring a penalty from 12 yards with a keeper in the middle of the goal-post or scoring tap-ins from 2 yards in the empty nets.
Torres does not take penalties and freekicks? It simply means his ability is a tad limited.

There are many strikers who can do that.
Berbatov's first touch is 50000000000000000 miles better than what Nando does.[/quote]For someone who thinks he's got stats on his scalp, that was quite laughable. Torres was the principal spot kick taker for Athletico BUT at Liverpool, Gerrard is supreme in that department. Of course you won't remember (typically) that Spain's first goal of Germany 2006 (vs tunisia) was a fantastic Torres' penalty.

Berbatov?!!!!!!!!! is he even a footballer?

By the way, I've just downloaded that barca vs utd match and LAWD! the mancs looked very comical!

We've all known Sauron to be of the silly pedantic variety but everytime he outdoes himself! Deeming 50 open goals in one's first 84 appearances as poor speaks a lot about your state of mental health. How many current Utd players achieved that? NONE. But oh! They are all poor players by that definition

By the way, do you sit all day banging at your keyboard and googling up history and stats? Tragic.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=264210.msg3962438#msg3962438 date=1243909303]I laugh in Swahili.
Fernando Torres the best striker on the face of the earth and Ronaldo(a winger) has outscored him for 2 consecutive seasons??
When Ronaldo plays primarily as a centre forward, he has shown he is better than Torres.
Ronaldo is 50000 times more deadlier than Torres.[/quote]Oh do shut up! The DISCUSSION IS ON STRIKERS! Couldn't resist the temptation of throwing in your sulky midfielder could you? Anyway, take away penalties from Ronaldo and you'd realize he's not fit to lace Torres' boots with regards to goal-scoring from open play!

Torres has scored 50 goals in 84 appearances so far and ALL have come from open play! Ronaldo CANNOT achieve that! FACT!

:p

jalether:
I never in a million years thought i would be cosigning with sauron

You guys need to ask yourself why Torres and Etoo are popular candidate, plain

and simple cos they play for a big club ( you monitor or watch their performances)

week in week out, what abt other strikers such as david Villa, Diego forlan, Dzeko

who are just as ( if not more technical and clinical), how many guys on here watch valencia

Athletico madrid, Wolfsburg week in week out?

[b]bottomline a striker that produces a superb performance in an average club is better than a striker

sorrounded by great players. food for thought[/b]

You've got it all wrong there mate. Playing at a big club is always more difficult for any striker with increased pressure. You mentioned players like Forlan, etc. He was superb, went to Utd, appeared poor, left and immediately turned superb again! Coincidence? i think not. Same thing happened to Robbie keane.

The cream always rises to the top and the greatest strikers shine in the biggest games; That's why Drogba (FA cup), Eto (Champions League final), Torres (Euro finals) peform brilliantly even with millions of people watching.

Value-wise (monetary)-----Torres>>>Villa>>>Eto

I feel a striker who has scored 50 goals in his first two seasons in a foreign league, while playing alone upfront and amidst so many injuries in the same period deserves that vote. Eto'o has players like Henry, messi and Iniesta laying balls at his feet so his job's a lot easier.
As Krayola put it, Torres is simply a beast especially when playing as a lone striker.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=268431.msg3936089#msg3936089 date=1243464609]We have 4 titles to show for it this season.[/quote]Winning The FA/Carling cup, EPL and UCL means a team has won THE TREBLE but cheers! Utd Won THE QUADRUPLE!!! Who needs the UCL anyway?



Barca beat you black and Blue and you taunt Liverpool; a team that also beat you black, blue and purple!

You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.

Babel, El Zhar, N'gog, Plessis and the Itanje are black. Keane was white but got kicked out. What's your point really?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=268431.msg3935816#msg3935816 date=1243461014]Barca have to prove they are the best team in the world in Japan/Dubai in december.[/quote]Wait! So if Enyimba beats them there, we'd declare Enyimba the best club in the world, right? Duh!

As Reina said earlier, Utd fret when they don't have possession.

praxx:
Owen Hargreaves.
I cant remember the last time he played for man utd. maybe the game he scored a dummy free kick against arsenal last season. _{please where is he now?}.

Tomas rosicky.
Picks up injury only during training and never hears about his rehabilitation. i guess the economist is tired with the lad. _{even Eduardo way break/twist his leg don come back from injury}.


Coach.
Rafa benitez.
Criticized all the top 3 other coaches at one point or the other. controls good football within the team but kicked off at crucial games and left with no trophies this season despite being the 3rd club to spend more this season.

Those players barely played this season SO how can they be regarded as the worst? Are you silly? Rafa criticized Fergie, advocated for Scolari to be given more time, praised Hiddink's experience and called Wenger a winner! Duh!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=274765.msg3904568#msg3904568 date=1242947284]EPL worst 11 this season. . . .

GK: Petr Cech(He has deteriorated from one of the best goalies in the world to a nervous wreck)

RB: Micah Richards(Where did it go wrong for this great English hope??)
CB: Kolo Toure(African asswipe)
CB: Martin Skrtel(He was supposed to be the next Vida)
LB: Fabio Aurelio(Jamie Carragher nearly chopped his neck off last sunday, what a waste of money!!!)

RM: Theo Walcott(He will develop next season)
CM: Cesc Fabregas(His performance dwindled after the brilliance season he had 12 months ago).
CM: Lucas(From winning Brazilian Player Of The Year in 2006 to a complete donkey)
LM: Ryan Babel(Do i need to spell it out??)

FW: Robbie Keane(Benitez's gamble that failed)
FW: Michael Owen(Thanx for relegating Newcastle).

Manager: Arsene Wenger(He is the only manager left in the BIG 4 yet to win anything in the past 4 seasons).[/quote]Your list contains 4 current and 2 past Liverpool players YET they managed to come second in the EPL!! Wow! What does that mean for the other players in the league? Plus, two of those you mentioned scored winning goals against your beloved mancs this season; more than can be said of Anderson, Nani, Wes Brown, Neville,etc. Aurellio has been excellent this season, scoring 3 against United, Chelsea and Pompey from defence. He was purchased for 3.5 million pounds from Valencia. Howz that a waste? A bargain if you ask me.

PS The Carragher spat was with Arbeloa NOT Aurellio.

aieromon:
Liverpool really deserves a losers' medal.Afterall,they beat MU home and away.I said Rafa would shit in his pants this season for all his slingshots and i hope Keane pulls one back^{not that it matters anyway}.
YWSurelyWA,better luck next season that is,if we decide to take a break from playing a rather monopolistic league

Silly comments.

[quote author=Eidos_ky link=topic=274957.msg3909258#msg3909258 date=1243020971]Liverpool are a very strong team and i admire their skills even though am not a fan of liverpool and i am sure that totham wont be a problem to them atall.[/quote]Intelligent comments.



As Bgees said, the Reds will be out to put Spurs to the sword, no hard feelings. . .just sweet revenge.